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2009-04-07 07:01:55 PM
It'll just get overturned on appeal.
 
2009-04-07 07:12:39 PM
I have a feeling that this article is a grossly oversimplified account of the substantive facts and law attendant to these proceedings, informed almost exclusively by the father and his attorney, and written by a reporter who has no familiarity whatsoever with the relevant area of law.
 
2009-04-07 07:14:57 PM
What's even worse is that this case has already gone to trial, where the dad lost. Then he went and filed an appeal, and was shown the door in appeals court. WHAT THE HELL? As a friend of father's who have gone through custody court, here's what I want to know.

Did the mom have anything to do with this? Did the little girl go to mommy, and tell her how daddy punished her. In an effort to win brownie points with a daughter who chose to stay with the dad over the mom in the custody battle, did the mother suggest legal action for the daughter to take?

If so, shouldn't the family courts then intervene, lay the smackdown on the daughter and mother?

I can understand the daughter going to her mom, that's what kids do. When one parent disciplines the child, the child will play the other parent for solace. A lot of times you'll have the other parent try and redeem themselves to the child by allowing the child to do whatever they want. Not really caring about the child's overall well-being or the child themselves.

I feel bad for the father, but welcome to being a man in the post-1950's era. You have no say, your ideals are meaningless, and if anything happens to your wife/girlfriend/ex-wife, expect yourself to be the only suspect the police will ever look at, guilty or not.
 
2009-04-07 07:29:12 PM
I read TFA, and it goes like this:

Mom and Dad are divorced.
Daughter lives with Dad.
Dad prohibits Internet use.
Daughter gets around Dad's blocks uses Internet against Dad's wishes.
Dad punishes Daughter, says Daughter cannot go on School Trip (which Mom has already given permission to).
Daughter gets Child Social Services lawyer (the one appointed to represent DAUGHTER in the Mom/Dad divorce) to sue Dad.
Daughter wins.
Daughter goes on School Trip.
Dad appeals.
Daughter wins.
Daughter lives with Mom because situation with Dad is untenable because Dad can't effectively parent Daughter.
 
2009-04-07 07:33:53 PM
TheCheese: I read TFA, and it goes like this:

As a lawyer, please trust me when I tell you that it rarely "goes" like a lay media outlet (i.e., media that has a non-lawyer target audience) reports it. Legal news and court cases are so poorly reported that they might as well not even bother trying.
 
2009-04-07 07:36:04 PM
TheCheese: I read TFA, and it goes like this:

Mom and Dad are divorced.
Daughter lives with Dad.
Dad prohibits Internet use.
Daughter gets around Dad's blocks uses Internet against Dad's wishes.
Dad punishes Daughter, says Daughter cannot go on School Trip (which Mom has already given permission to).
Daughter gets Child Social Services lawyer (the one appointed to represent DAUGHTER in the Mom/Dad divorce) to change custody to Mom.
Mom gives daughter permission to go on School Trip.
Dad still refuses to give permission.
School hasn't received update saying Mom now has custody or has some retarded policy that means Dad still needs to give permission.
School therefore refuses daughter permission to go on School Trip based on Dad's wishes.
Daughter sues Dad to force him to give school permission.

Daughter wins.
Daughter goes on School Trip.
Dad appeals.
Daughter wins.
Daughter lives with Mom because situation with Dad is untenable because Dad can't effectively parent Daughter.


I'm wondering if those steps weren't mentioned (I don't know if they exist.)
 
2009-04-07 08:22:53 PM
kronicfeld: I have a feeling that this article is a grossly oversimplified account of the substantive facts and law attendant to these proceedings, informed almost exclusively by the father and his attorney, and written by a reporter who has no familiarity whatsoever with the relevant area of law.

Holy Dear Jesus I hope so. My bet is that Mom's heavily involved. She probably won bigger than the daughter.
 
2009-04-07 08:47:16 PM
Another article (new window)
 
2009-04-07 09:01:39 PM
Uber-ultra-super-extra-wtf-fark - $200 /month?
 
2009-04-07 09:10:35 PM
kronicfeld: I have a feeling that this article is a grossly oversimplified account of the substantive facts and law attendant to these proceedings, informed almost exclusively by the father and his attorney, and written by a reporter who has no familiarity whatsoever with the relevant area of law.

Nope, seems to be the real deal. The CBC's pretty reliable.

I wonder if maybe the dad isn't secretly relieved that his lawyered-up little hellion is now mom's problem. And he can always write her out of his will. Sauce for the goose, little girl.
 
2009-04-07 09:28:47 PM
Read headline.

See it's CBC.

No! Can't be Canada.

Quebec! OH, now it makes sense.
 
2009-04-07 09:44:58 PM
See people this is why you discipline your children while they're young. Get them to listen when they're 2 and they'll listen when they are 12.

Oh, and who bans their kid from using the internet?
 
2009-04-07 09:51:27 PM
I'd relinquish her to the state.
Let an orphanage or foster parents have her.
She would never step into my house again.
 
2009-04-07 09:52:27 PM
It's Canada, what do you want?
 
2009-04-07 09:52:58 PM
kronicfeld: a reporter who has no familiarity whatsoever with the relevant area of law

A reporter that doesn't understand law? Unpossible!
 
2009-04-07 09:53:08 PM
I_Am_Weasel: Read headline.

See it's CBC.

No! Can't be Canada.

Quebec! OH, now it makes sense.


The internet address ends in .ca
It's Canada
 
2009-04-07 09:53:31 PM
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/Oblig
 
2009-04-07 09:53:33 PM
monkeyman3875: See people this is why you discipline your children while they're young. Get them to listen when they're 2 and they'll listen when they are 12.


All of that changes at 13 however, a magical age where they start taking rides on the mood swing.
 
Tui
2009-04-07 09:54:12 PM
i6.photobucket.com

He's very good.
 
2009-04-07 09:54:42 PM
Trik: I'd relinquish her to the state.
Let an orphanage or foster parents have her.
She would never step into my house again.


You're an idiot.
 
2009-04-07 09:54:48 PM
monkeyman3875:

Oh, and who bans their kid from using the internet?


Out of touch, reactionary & conservative parents who are afraid of progress and believe everything they hear and see on the evening reports.

You know... Fox News viewers.
 
2009-04-07 09:55:51 PM
She had been living with her father after her parents split up when he grounded her in 2008 for defying his order to stay off the internet. The father caught her chatting on websites he had blocked, using the credit card of a family friend to make over $600 in online purchases, and alleged his daughter was posting "inappropriate pictures" of herself online.


With those pics she's lucky she's Canadian, and not in the US legal system.
 
2009-04-07 09:56:53 PM
FTA: "Going to court was a last resort," said Lucie Fortin, a legal aid attorney who represented the girl.

Does very child need a mediator when talking about school trips?
 
2009-04-07 09:58:15 PM
She sounds like a thoughtless little pig.

/Alec is the coolest Balwin brother
 
2009-04-07 09:58:50 PM
Who bans their daughter from the Internet?

The parent who finds his/her daughter posting inappropriate pictures of herself on the Internet.

Try reading the article next time.
 
2009-04-07 09:59:23 PM
netweavr: TheCheese: I read TFA, and it goes like this:

Mom and Dad are divorced.
Daughter lives with Dad.
Dad prohibits Internet use.
Daughter gets around Dad's blocks uses Internet against Dad's wishes.
Dad punishes Daughter, says Daughter cannot go on School Trip (which Mom has already given permission to).
Daughter gets Child Social Services lawyer (the one appointed to represent DAUGHTER in the Mom/Dad divorce) to change custody to Mom.
Mom gives daughter permission to go on School Trip.
Dad still refuses to give permission.
School hasn't received update saying Mom now has custody or has some retarded policy that means Dad still needs to give permission.
School therefore refuses daughter permission to go on School Trip based on Dad's wishes.
Daughter sues Dad to force him to give school permission.
Daughter wins.
Daughter goes on School Trip.
Dad appeals.
Daughter wins.
Daughter lives with Mom because situation with Dad is untenable because Dad can't effectively parent Daughter.

I'm wondering if those steps weren't mentioned (I don't know if they exist.)


It's not unlikely. There's always three sides to a story; throw in the school and custody problems, and there's at least 75.
 
2009-04-07 09:59:26 PM
MrShinra: monkeyman3875:

Oh, and who bans their kid from using the internet?

Out of touch, reactionary & conservative parents who are afraid of progress and believe everything they hear and see on the evening reports.

You know... Fox News viewers.


When my kids act up, we ban "screen time" No TV, no gameboy, no computer for a length of time we think is warranted. I see it as a win/win. They are forced to pick up books, and find other things to do. We don't just do this when they've been in trouble, we frequently kick them out the door when it's a nice day.
 
2009-04-07 09:59:27 PM
monkeyman3875: See people this is why you discipline your children while they're young. Get them to listen when they're 2 and they'll listen when they are 12.

Oh, and who bans their kid from using the internet?


I grew up just as the internet was in its infancy and my folks didn't hook up to it for quite some time, which is in a sense a ban. As it turns out, I'm no worse-adjusted than any of my peers who were exposed earlier. It's not like the internet is the be-all and end-all of the world anyway.
 
2009-04-07 10:00:34 PM
FTA: In its Monday ruling, the appeal court warned the case should not be seen as an open invitation for children to take legal action every time they're grounded.

Why not? They proven it can be effective, so why not do it? Sure, you might lose, but how are you going to parent effectively when it's already been demonstrated that there's a chance your kid can sue you and overturn your parenting decision?
 
2009-04-07 10:04:52 PM
The attorney for the little girl should have his right to practice law revoked.
 
2009-04-07 10:05:07 PM
From the second article posted:

After discovering that, the father told his daughter she couldn't go on the three-day school trip, which ended yesterday. According to Ms. Beaudoin, the daughter "slammed the door" and went to live with her mother, who was willing to let her take the trip.

However, the school wouldn't allow the girl to go unless both parents consented or she obtained a court order. That prompted the girl, with her mother's support, to take legal action against her father, culminating in the ruling.

According to Ms. Beaudoin, Judge Tessier found that denying the trip was unduly severe punishment. The fact that the girl is now living with her mother also factored into the judge's ruling, she said.


I don't see the problem. The school needed a court order, so she got one.
 
2009-04-07 10:06:33 PM
I'm blown away by this. The court had no business interfering with the father's punishment.
 
2009-04-07 10:07:49 PM
Screw morality. That does not need to be in the court system.

Rules are rules. We don't need Judge Joe Blow injecting his own personal ideals into a system that's perfectly fine without them.
 
2009-04-07 10:07:55 PM
monkeyman3875: Oh, and who bans their kid from using the internet?

Full on ban? No.
Restrict what they're doing? Yeah, probably.

FTA:
"posting "inappropriate pictures" of herself online"
Yeah...that's a cutting off.

As far as 'this was an important trip for her'...everything is 'life or death' to a 12-13 year old girl. Everything.
Sorry, kid...break the house rules, you lose something. In this case, the school trip.

FTA:
"In its Monday ruling, the appeal court warned the case should not be seen as an open invitation for children to take legal action every time they're grounded."

You just did exactly that, you idiot.
 
2009-04-07 10:08:00 PM
Wow...he blocked certain internet sites, and bananated her from going to said sites. She went there anyway, and posted nude pictures of herself. He punished her by saying that she would not be able to go to her graduation. So she sues?

/let the little coont go back to her mom, totally divorce yourself from them.
 
2009-04-07 10:09:05 PM
FTFA: "We have a lot of work to re-establish a link between those two."

If I was the father I'd be asking myself "Why bother?" The little biatch is probably a reflection of her mother, whom the guy already divorced, so why torture yourself over Princess?

I'd sign over all parental rights and get on with my life. Life is too short to drive yourself crazy over hopelessly broken relationships. If the girl has any sense at all, in about 15 years she'll ask him for forgiveness and then maybe they can start building a relationship.
 
2009-04-07 10:10:33 PM
Bhruic: Why not? They proven it can be effective, so why not do it? Sure, you might lose, but how are you going to parent effectively when it's already been demonstrated that there's a chance your kid can sue you and overturn your parenting decision?

The issue was that one of the two parents granted permission and the other did not, and at the time of the trip, the parent who gave permission had custody.

The real issue was whether a child needs permission from both parents or only from one parent to go on a school trip.
 
2009-04-07 10:10:45 PM
Sadly, the worst part of this story is the breakdown in the relationship between the father and the daughter. Whatever the outcome of the case, the breakdown in not only authority, but the relationship itself, is the clincher. He won't speak to his daughter? Had to relinquish custody? Holy hell.

Gulper Eel: kronicfeld: I have a feeling that this article is a grossly oversimplified account of the substantive facts and law attendant to these proceedings, informed almost exclusively by the father and his attorney, and written by a reporter who has no familiarity whatsoever with the relevant area of law.

Nope, seems to be the real deal. The CBC's pretty reliable.

I wonder if maybe the dad isn't secretly relieved that his lawyered-up little hellion is now mom's problem. And he can always write her out of his will. Sauce for the goose, little girl.


Writing her out of the will is pretty much the only tool left in his bag, at this point. Sauce for the goose indeed.
 
2009-04-07 10:11:14 PM
FTA She had been living with her father after her parents split up

One lawsuite later

Also FTA The girl - who now lives with her mother - doesn't have much of a relationship with her dad now

Looks like the mother cunning plan worked out: lost her daughter, convinced her to sue the dad when he wouldn't let her go on a school trip, now she live with mom...biatch.
 
2009-04-07 10:12:05 PM
MrShinra: monkeyman3875:

Oh, and who bans their kid from using the internet?

Out of touch, reactionary & conservative parents who are afraid of progress and believe everything they hear and see on the evening reports.

You know... Fox News viewers.


Actually its the equivalent of banning kids from TV, games, or even going outside in the past, kids are tied to the internet more than most adults and it seems like a punishment just short of spanking them which people always think is wrong.

Even though its his daughter she sounds like a coont and hes probably better off with her gone until she grows up and comes back saying he was right.
 
2009-04-07 10:13:02 PM
MrShinra: monkeyman3875:

Oh, and who bans their kid from using the internet?

Out of touch, reactionary & conservative parents who are afraid of progress and believe everything they hear and see on the evening reports.

You know... Fox News viewers.


Being ignorant must be fun. RTFA.

He suspended her internet privleges because he thought she was posting inappropriate pictures of herself, at the age of 12/13, and went around her dad's rules.

Seems appropriate to me.

But what do I know? I've always been a fan of things that make sense.
 
2009-04-07 10:13:10 PM
welcome to being a man in the post-1950's era. You have no say, your ideals are meaningless, and if anything happens to your wife/girlfriend/ex-wife, expect yourself to be the only suspect the police will ever look at, guilty or not.

This.
 
2009-04-07 10:13:26 PM
So can I sue my kids for 18+ yrs of time and money I could have blown on hookers and booze?
 
2009-04-07 10:15:23 PM
MrShinra: monkeyman3875:

Oh, and who bans their kid from using the internet?

Out of touch, reactionary & conservative parents who are afraid of progress and believe everything they hear and see on the evening reports.

You know... Fox News viewers.


Yep, definitely them. Oh, and also, people like my sister, the ultra-liberal, school teacher, Obama-fan, with three honor roll children.
 
2009-04-07 10:18:24 PM
I'm pretty sure this is a non-story imo. It's just a fact that when two people divorce, both parents need to suck up to the kid if they want anything to do with the kid. If you think that's unfair, consider that kids of divorced parents statistically will end up doing worse in life, so divorced kids pretty much already have their lives ruined.

It's not like she didn't have permission, she had permission from the mother. The father happened to have custody at the time... but custody is given only when you have your child's best interests in mind. The judge deemed that her punishment was excessive, denied her father the right to custody, problem solved.

I mean, the punishment clearly IS excessive. Come on, for you young farkers who had internet as children, how many of you were "banned" from watching porn? How many of you sneaked peeks anyway? Imagine if your father caught you and acted like the kind of douchebag in the story; yea, you'd survive, but you'd still resent him for it. Bad parenting is bad parenting, end of story. And if you're going to be a bad parent when you could lose custody at any moment, then it's too bad for you.
 
2009-04-07 10:18:36 PM
Holy crap, and this isn't even the retarded U.S. legal system, this is canada.

ACK!
 
2009-04-07 10:19:49 PM
We're missing the obvious here,

Is she hot?

/Why yes, I'll have a seat
 
2009-04-07 10:20:15 PM
I love how everyone's just assuming that the daughter was posting naked pictures of herself. If that was the case, why didn't the father prove it to the judge?

Maybe *gasp* the dad is just a shiatty parent? But it looks like the Fark misogynist brigade would rather call the mother and daughter disgusting names.

Uninformed Snap Judgments: why use my brain when this is so much easier?
 
2009-04-07 10:21:03 PM
Ika7734: MrShinra: monkeyman3875:

Oh, and who bans their kid from using the internet?

Out of touch, reactionary & conservative parents who are afraid of progress and believe everything they hear and see on the evening reports.

You know... Fox News viewers.

When my kids act up, we ban "screen time" No TV, no gameboy, no computer for a length of time we think is warranted. I see it as a win/win. They are forced to pick up books, and find other things to do. We don't just do this when they've been in trouble, we frequently kick them out the door when it's a nice day.


Don't waste your time trying to explain it to someone who, hopefully, doesn't have kids, and probably should be banned from contributing to the gene pool until he/she grows up.
 
2009-04-07 10:23:31 PM
trozman: I mean, the punishment clearly IS excessive. Come on, for you young farkers who had internet as children, how many of you were "banned" from watching porn? How many of you sneaked peeks anyway? Imagine if your father caught you and acted like the kind of douchebag in the story; yea, you'd survive, but you'd still resent him for it. Bad parenting is bad parenting, end of story. And if you're going to be a bad parent when you could lose custody at any moment, then it's too bad for you.

Youre an idiot, parents set boundaries and she crossed them so she gets a just punishment, not an excessive punishment.
 
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