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(Forbes)   West Virginia kills bill mandating that restaurants provide calorie counts, decides fat and ignorant is the way to go through life, son   (forbes.com) divider line 202
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2009-04-07 06:49:13 PM
I know. Isn't it weird how industries often pay people to press politicians for their desired outcome? Farking crazy, man.

/if you assume that your thrice-smothered pork chop is anything but a caloric bomb, you deserve the heart attack you claim to not see coming.
 
2009-04-07 06:52:24 PM
Because clearly, people are incapable of using their own judgement by looking at their plate of greasy food and say, hey..this looks bad for me...

I really dont even know if im being sarcastic here
 
2009-04-07 06:54:56 PM
HappyHarryHardOn: I really dont even know if im being sarcastic here

It's a Fark occupational hazard. That, or the past few decades have left of us with no real defense mechanisms aside from extreme substance abuse and bitter, often inappropriate sarcasm. Who can tell?
 
2009-04-07 07:01:24 PM
Stay Cool Babylon: HappyHarryHardOn: I really dont even know if im being sarcastic here

It's a Fark occupational hazard. That, or the past few decades have left of us with no real defense mechanisms aside from extreme substance abuse and bitter, often inappropriate sarcasm. Who can tell?


My sarcasm meter has been broken since it went off-scale-high in Q2 2003 for these exact reasons. That and what the government was telling me. At least I have the substance abuse going for me.
 
2009-04-07 07:05:09 PM
HappyHarryHardOn: Because clearly, people are incapable of using their own judgement by looking at their plate of greasy food and say, hey..this looks bad for me...

You might be surprised at how deceptively unhealthy a lot of restaurant food is. Even ostensibly healthy fish dishes are smothered in oil and butter and sauces that don't get listen on the menu. Yes, if you go to McDonald's, you deserve what you get, but if you order the baked salmon from Chez Herve Vellichez, you don't expect it to be 1,500 calories with 45g of fat.
 
2009-04-07 07:07:37 PM
kronicfeld:
You might be surprised at how deceptively unhealthy a lot of restaurant food is. Even ostensibly healthy fish dishes are smothered in oil and butter and sauces that don't get listen on the menu. Yes, if you go to McDonald's, you deserve what you get, but if you order the baked salmon from Chez Herve Vellichez, you don't expect it to be 1,500 calories with 45g of fat.


Additionally, many places seem to go out of their way to use the worst fats. Some fats are actually good for you, but you're not going to run into any of those at McD's.
 
2009-04-07 07:25:33 PM
kronicfeld: HappyHarryHardOn: Because clearly, people are incapable of using their own judgement by looking at their plate of greasy food and say, hey..this looks bad for me...

You might be surprised at how deceptively unhealthy a lot of restaurant food is. Even ostensibly healthy fish dishes are smothered in oil and butter and sauces that don't get listen on the menu. Yes, if you go to McDonald's, you deserve what you get, but if you order the baked salmon from Chez Herve Vellichez, you don't expect it to be 1,500 calories with 45g of fat.


Additionally we need assholes like you and the other fat asses like Barney Frank and the government to tell us a double cheeseburger is bad for what's left of us smokers.
 
2009-04-07 07:39:20 PM
sepuku2: Additionally we need assholes like you and the other fat asses like Barney Frank and the government to tell us a double cheeseburger is bad for what's left of us smokers.

Do you actually read what people say and then conceive of a premeditated response, or do you just go ahead and vomit all over your keyboard and submit what gets inadvertently typed while you're slurping the lumps of your dad's semen off the home row?
 
2009-04-07 07:42:19 PM
Dear Politicians,

America's "obesity problem" can not be legislated. Now STFU & GBTW on important things. Thank you.

Sincerely,

BtF

PS. I'm eating a double cheeseburger.
PSS. With extra bacon
 
2009-04-07 07:48:04 PM
kronicfeld: sepuku2: Additionally we need assholes like you and the other fat asses like Barney Frank and the government to tell us a double cheeseburger is bad for what's left of us smokers.

Do you actually read what people say and then conceive of a premeditated response, or do you just go ahead and vomit all over your keyboard and submit what gets inadvertently typed while you're slurping the lumps of your dad's semen off the home row?


Naah. He's just displaying that what's "left of us smokers" is not the brain, apparently.
 
2009-04-07 08:38:08 PM
kronicfeld: Do you actually read what people say and then conceive of a premeditated response, or do you just go ahead and vomit all over your keyboard and submit what gets inadvertently typed while you're slurping the lumps of your dad's semen off the home row?

Yeah I read your piece of shiat. I couldn't help but vomit up some of your mom's love juice, knowing what a pussy she whelped. I'll tell yah what boys, I'll never fark that whore again!
 
2009-04-07 08:39:16 PM
When did we decide that a society of informed consumers is a bad thing? It's not like they tried banning foods, just mandating disclosure of nutritional information. That's something I'd like to know.
 
2009-04-07 08:43:54 PM
kronicfeld: You might be surprised at how deceptively unhealthy a lot of restaurant food is.

No, I'm not. Restaurant food is by definition supposed to taste good. That generally results in it being bad for you. Same with twinkies, soda, pop tarts, etc. If you haven't figured this out, a brochure isn't going to help.

If this is such a big deal, then customers will demand it. No legislation necessary. If something at a restaurant is actually semi-healthy for you, then the restaurant will advertise that fact to get customers.
 
2009-04-07 08:44:07 PM
www.mycarportal.net
 
2009-04-07 08:44:12 PM
So, it's not possible to obtain nutritional information in any other way?
 
2009-04-07 08:44:24 PM
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2009-04-07 08:44:39 PM
Eat healthy 5 days a week and live it up on the weekends. Not the best plan but it is a good compromise and gives you something to look forward to.
 
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2009-04-07 08:44:53 PM
HappyHarryHardOn: Because clearly, people are incapable of using their own judgement by looking at their plate of greasy food and say, hey..this looks bad for me...

I really dont even know if im being sarcastic here


spot on.
 
2009-04-07 08:45:01 PM
Who orders an appetizer of bacon cheese fries at Outback for themselves and thinks that it's healthy? If you're counting calories, eat a salad and boiled chicken or something.
 
2009-04-07 08:45:18 PM
So before you can make any custom dish it has to be sent away to be analyzed?
 
2009-04-07 08:45:35 PM
VictoryCabal: When did we decide that a society of informed consumers is a bad thing? It's not like they tried banning foods, just mandating disclosure of nutritional information. That's something I'd like to know.

It depends how the law is written. If my locally owned french bistro is forced to provide this information they would go out of business (frequent changes in menu, many times based on what is available that day from their local sources). However - if its farking chain like KFC - I have no problem.

Then again - if you can't tell a bucket of extra crispy chicken is bad for you - chances are you don't know what a calorie is either.
 
2009-04-07 08:45:59 PM
Hey politicians, leave me the fark alone.
 
2009-04-07 08:46:19 PM
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2009-04-07 08:46:25 PM
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2009-04-07 08:47:23 PM
Sounds like a good way for a restaurant to make some easy money. Provide the calorie counts, then crow that you are better, more honest, and more green than your competitors.

Use a supermodel, dress her way down for the part, and get some voice talent do do a crinkly-caring voiceover. Maybe throw in some stock footage of rainforests and Antarctic glaciers too.

Can't miss.
 
2009-04-07 08:47:41 PM
VictoryCabal: When did we decide that a society of informed consumers is a bad thing? It's not like they tried banning foods, just mandating disclosure of nutritional information. That's something I'd like to know.

Or, maybe you could, like, you know, ask them. Or maybe not eat at restaurants that don't let you know. It's your money, you can spend it where and when you like. Additionally, if you can't tell by tasting that a food is rather decadent, stick with nuts and raisins.
 
2009-04-07 08:47:43 PM
gnaunited: So before you can make any custom dish it has to be sent away to be analyzed?

The restaurant will absorb the cost of that.
 
2009-04-07 08:48:39 PM
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
 
2009-04-07 08:49:58 PM
vaconex: The restaurant consumer will absorb the cost of that.

FTFA
 
2009-04-07 08:50:08 PM
A lot of people really are ignorant about food and for those of you who say people should just know better: I bartend sometimes, and the other day I was talking to the busboy, who is a very nice guy in his mid thirties who is not the most educated person I've ever met but tries hard. He's pretty overweight, and he told me he was trying to lose weight so he switched from coke to gatorade and started eating salads. I had to sit down with him and show him that gatorade has almost as much sugar and calories as coke does and he was shocked- he said " But I always see athletes and stuff with it so it must be good for you" and I really had to explain that it wasn't. And also, I had to explain to him how to order his salad to cut out the calories.

Yes there are people who ignore it. But there are also people who are totally clueless, and the people with the lowest education and income levels are also the people with the highest rate of obesity.
 
2009-04-07 08:50:53 PM
kronicfeld: sepuku2: Additionally we need assholes like you and the other fat asses like Barney Frank and the government to tell us a double cheeseburger is bad for what's left of us smokers.

Do you actually read what people say and then conceive of a premeditated response, or do you just go ahead and vomit all over your keyboard and submit what gets inadvertently typed while you're slurping the lumps of your dad's semen off the home row?


This comment is full if win!
 
2009-04-07 08:51:16 PM
hey totally off topic, but does anyone have that grammar troll pic with the lonely goldfish in the fishbowl and could post it?
thanks
 
2009-04-07 08:51:34 PM
calorie counts are pretty much useless for foods that aren't mechanically prepared and measured..
 
2009-04-07 08:53:33 PM
Crosshair: kronicfeld: You might be surprised at how deceptively unhealthy a lot of restaurant food is.

No, I'm not. Restaurant food is by definition supposed to taste good. That generally results in it being bad for you. Same with twinkies, soda, pop tarts, etc. If you haven't figured this out, a brochure isn't going to help.

If this is such a big deal, then customers will demand it. No legislation necessary. If something at a restaurant is actually semi-healthy for you, then the restaurant will advertise that fact to get customers.


Right, but many times they will falsely advertise it i.e. my school sells salad under the "healthy" fare option, but the packaged version of it (which has the calories listed) is about 650. For the amount of salad and what is actually in it (2 grilled chicken strips (small) and some lettuce) I would not have expected that.

Also, they usually balance things out so they can say "only 300 calories!" while not mentioning the 2000% DV of sodium added to mask the horrible taste. I don't think it's enough to say "hey it has lettuce and a piece of fish so it can't be THAT bad."
 
2009-04-07 08:53:49 PM
West Virginia recently found a new use for sheep - wool!
 
2009-04-07 08:54:40 PM
Just for comedic value, I'd like to see a nutrition label on a bottle of moonshine.
 
2009-04-07 08:54:51 PM
I work and eat in nyc, there are calories posted next to everything and is has impacted what I have decided to eat on many a lunch occasion. Sometimes, it's that extra piece of information that helps. Like obviously all spinach is a better meal than all cheese but sometimes knowing croissant vs. bagel is useful.
 
2009-04-07 08:54:57 PM
I think this is a good idea. Even approximate calorie counts would be helpful. I can get close myself, but it would be nice to have disclosure from the restaurants. I'd also be pleased if more chains offered smaller portion sizes. I still order happy meals.
 
2009-04-07 08:57:26 PM
Skullduggery: I think this is a good idea. Even approximate calorie counts would be helpful. I can get close myself, but it would be nice to have disclosure from the restaurants. I'd also be pleased if more chains offered smaller portion sizes. I still order happy meals.

Oh totally. I only eat fast food on road trips, and when I do I ALWAYS order off the kids' menu. I wish all restaurants offered a smaller portion size.

And not like that horrible thing Wendy's has done where they renamed their old regular combo the "small" combo, and then added a medium and large option.

I'm pretty positive a small child could drown in the soda that comes with the large one.
 
2009-04-07 08:58:24 PM
I'm from West Virginia, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

/not surprised
//glad I left there
///not going back to live
////hoping Tennessee is better
///living in Washington State now...
//? Slashies?
 
2009-04-07 08:59:48 PM
Tyrosine: This comment is full if win!

For who, fat ass?
 
2009-04-07 09:02:45 PM
People also think that beer gives you a gut but hard booze does not.

Not the case.
 
2009-04-07 09:02:54 PM
i think it's a MORONIC idea because it would necessitate standardized portions and i presume the testing is either expensive or drawn out.

sure, makes sense for prepackaged foods and is recommendable for chains where the standardization is part of what they sell, but say goodbye to bed & breakfasts and other smaller endeavors where they'll decide its too high an entry-price to begin.

or maybe i'm overracting and it could be dome moderately efficiently like the resteraunt inspections we already do. i guess it all depends on how much of an extra cost in time and money the testing and followup is.

but i can certainly think of many other reasons why they'd not want to be forced into it besides wanting to hide the information.
 
2009-04-07 09:03:23 PM
Somaticasual: calorie counts are pretty much useless for foods that aren't mechanically prepared and measured..

Right, but all restaurants have a specific portion size they aim at, so I am sure getting within a certain range is good enough.

I don't understand all of you who are claiming that people should know better. If they did, we wouldn't in this situation to begin with. And that should be added to the fact that many foods are advertised is a very manipulative way ("eat a bowl of cereal instead of a meal and lose weight!". So many people try diets in the most ridiculous fashion imaginable, I am surprised they can function in society.

This calorie thing might also help people actually keep a more accurate balance of their daily intake. I really see no downside to this, as long as food aren't banned because of it. I have a feeling that if people saw that their Chipotle burrito with cheese and sour cream was 1000 calories, the system would self regulate.
 
2009-04-07 09:03:39 PM
Its funny that this is considered a WV thing.

I believe California and NYC already have some sort of measure.
 
2009-04-07 09:07:38 PM
Genevieve Marie: Oh totally. I only eat fast food on road trips, and when I do I ALWAYS order off the kids' menu.


You must have a lot of toys.
 
2009-04-07 09:09:04 PM
kronicfeld: sepuku2: Additionally we need assholes like you and the other fat asses like Barney Frank and the government to tell us a double cheeseburger is bad for what's left of us smokers.

Do you actually read what people say and then conceive of a premeditated response, or do you just go ahead and vomit all over your keyboard and submit what gets inadvertently typed while you're slurping the lumps of your dad's semen off the home row?


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2009-04-07 09:10:40 PM
HappyHarryHardOn: Because clearly, people are incapable of using their own judgement by looking at their plate of greasy food and say, hey..this looks bad for me...

I really dont even know if im being sarcastic here


I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Healthy
mrbeanltd.co.nz

Unhealthy
www.crispywaffle.com

Who is confused by this?


/Loves me some unhealthy food
 
2009-04-07 09:10:53 PM
The actual food cost of a restaurant meal is typically a small percentage of the total cost, maybe 20 or 25%. The rest is labor, overhead, and profit.

So a restaurant can ramp up the portion size without ramping up the cost very much. It's a non-linear ratio.

And that's why restaurants love the supersize concept. They can say, "Hey, for an extra 25% in cost we'll give you 50% more food." It looks like a good deal for you. But it's actually a great deal for them. They're selling more food to the same customer. They're spending essentially the same on overhead and labor, and they're only spending a little more on food cost. The profit soars.

It seems as if the entire restaurant world figured this out at the same time about 20 years ago. Portion sizes went crazy. And a lot of people seem to like those humongous heaping plates of food.
 
2009-04-07 09:11:03 PM
Yes, because being able to get information about the nutritional content of our food before we eat it will make us fat and ignorant.

\doesn't think Subby knows what one of those words means.
 
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