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(LA Times)   Jose Canseco "90% sure" that Manny Ramirez used steroids because nobody would sign him to a long term contract this past offseason   (latimes.com) divider line 21
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2009-04-07 01:01:59 AM
While Jose Canseco has accurately fingered many steroid users, he doesn't have any solid evidence against Manny Ramirez. I wouldn't be surprised if he was right again, but this time he appears to be talking out of his ass with nothing to back up his claims.

Quit while you're ahead, Jose. You've been right up until now, but this time I am 90% sure you are just attention whoring for another paycheck.

/subby
 
2009-04-07 01:08:00 AM
Manny? Really? I may be a simple Red Sox fanboy, but I'd believe Ortiz before Manny, and I don't believe Ortiz did shait.

/Nomar and Mo Vaughn? Bet your ass they juiced.
 
2009-04-07 04:22:54 AM
mjoven1975: While Jose Canseco has accurately fingered many steroid users, he doesn't have any solid evidence against Manny Ramirez. I wouldn't be surprised if he was right again, but this time he appears to be talking out of his ass with nothing to back up his claims.

Quit while you're ahead, Jose. You've been right up until now, but this time I am 90% sure you are just attention whoring for another paycheck.

/subby


I realize you are the subby, but read this quote from TFA again

"Canseco admits later that he has no way of knowing. But it makes sense to him, so he threw it out there -- kaboom! -- swinging for the fences, still"

Canseco freely admits he has no way of knowing the truth. By contrast, in the past Canseco has said he was absolutely postive that the people he was accusing of juicing actually did (Clemens, Arod, Tejada off the top of my head. Sure there's many others).

Canseco is not going to receive money based on his guesses or speculation. The only way he'd receive money is if he produced more names of people he was SURE juiced, not possible juicers. Canseco was just giving his opinion on a likely to a half empty room of college kids. This author just has a grudge against Canseco and is twisting Canseco's words into this non-story.

Out of the whole cast of characters in this whole juicing debacle, Canseco has emerged as the only truth teller. Although his motives are suspect (money, publicity), he has been 100% accurate so far. Let's wait until Canseco makes a REAL accusation - not speculation this this biased author is twisting into a "story" - before we go all crazy on him.
 
2009-04-07 05:05:01 AM
Knowing Manny, Manny's probably not sure if he took steroids or not.
 
2009-04-07 05:51:14 AM
KradDrol: Knowing Manny, Manny's probably not sure if he took steroids or not.

I lol'd.
 
2009-04-07 07:09:22 AM
Do you really see Manny having the discipline to follow a strict, consistent schedule? "Oh look. Mickey's big hand is on the 2. Time to get my vitamin shot!"

Hell, I don't think the idea to take them would even occur to him. He's a completely instinct hitter. There's no thought. Just a reaction and a fluid swing. Probably the only hitter in the league that doesn't look for a pitch or understand tendencies.

/ Tribe fan
// Got to see the infancy of Manny being Manny
 
2009-04-07 08:20:56 AM
ksobby: Do you really see Manny having the discipline to follow a strict, consistent schedule? "Oh look. Mickey's big hand is on the 2. Time to get my vitamin shot!"

Hell, I don't think the idea to take them would even occur to him. He's a completely instinct hitter. There's no thought. Just a reaction and a fluid swing. Probably the only hitter in the league that doesn't look for a pitch or understand tendencies.

/ Tribe fan
// Got to see the infancy of Manny being Manny


I thought Manny had the reputation of being one of the hardest workers on his swing, no? Aren't his hitting coaches always saying that despite his antics he's always in the cage the longest and actually has a great work ethic? Also, I remember hearing a broadcast where the color commentator (can't remember for the life of me) stated that not only does Manny have a great understanding of tendencies, but he will intentionally miss on a pitch he knows he can handle early in a count to bait the pitcher in throwing it again. It seemed kind of ridiculous at the time I heard it, because if you know you can hit it, why wait for the second pitch, but I believe he has more baseball intelligence than he lets on.

I highly doubt he was on the juice, but that's just gut instinct. Jose was right before, but as mentioned before, he's just throwing this out there without any evidence.
 
2009-04-07 08:50:31 AM
Mr_Master2: Let's wait until Canseco makes a REAL accusation - not speculation this this biased author is twisting into a "story" - before we go all crazy on him.

This, And...

bison0329: I thought Manny had the reputation of being one of the hardest workers on his swing, no? Aren't his hitting coaches always saying that despite his antics he's always in the cage the longest and actually has a great work ethic?

This.

I don't know for a fact if Manny was juicing either. And then we'll see people like BACCC who'll post with absolute certainty saying they all juiced (even though he knows nothing about it.) The problem here is that since he experienced some success at tattling on players, Canseco is engaging in speculation based on the same silly things that the common fan tries to target. "The player got big" or "The player is smaller now" or "He had a spike in his numbers." None of these things will positively identify anyone as a juicer.

So now he says that a player who has been nothing but consistant throughout his career is a juicer when there is no evidence of it, he doesn't meet any of the other criteria people try to use, and rather simply bases it on the fact that a team didn't want to sign him for 4 years $25mil at the tail-end of his career? Lunacy.
 
2009-04-07 09:02:36 AM
Hiymenator: Manny? Really? I may be a simple Red Sox fanboy, but I'd believe Ortiz before Manny, and I don't believe Ortiz did shait.

/Nomar and Mo Vaughn? Bet your ass they juiced.


As a Red Sox fan, the only reason I am curious about Ortiz is because of a few quotes he made in '07. "Sometimes a guy just doesn't know what he took." To paraphrase he was basically saying that on the islands you don't know what is in anything. That may have been all he ment by it. Still, with all the guys who have been fingered, it is hard to say when the clean era of baseball began and ended. Also, I have a hard time believing that after 03 the game just went clean.

I am not accusing anyone but it is naive for us to assume that our team didn't have the same things going on as any other team. That's the worst thing about the steroid era. Even if you didn't use, you're guilty until proven innocent.

As for Manny? I doubt it but hey, the guy has proven that he'll go above and beyond to attain a goal.

/Still, I doubt Manny
//Nixon, Millar, Tek...little less doubt
///Schilling? No F'n way
 
2009-04-07 09:32:28 AM
I'm sure it has nothing to do with his attitude, his age or the outrageous salary he was demanding. Yup, must be that steroids are the reason he didn't get a long term deal.
 
2009-04-07 09:41:43 AM
not to be on Canseco's side of the fence, but hasnt be been right about EVERYTHING he said up until now?
 
2009-04-07 10:29:04 AM
2004*.
 
2009-04-07 11:29:04 AM
smerfnablin: not to be on Canseco's side of the fence, but hasnt be been right about EVERYTHING he said up until now?

Yes.
 
2009-04-07 11:54:10 AM
GimpyNip: ///Schilling? No F'n way

I think the only supplement Schilling took was hamburgers.
 
2009-04-07 12:23:20 PM
bglove25: I'm sure it has nothing to do with his attitude, his age or the outrageous salary he was demanding. Yup, must be that steroids are the reason he didn't get a long term deal.

Exactly, "Manny being Manny", is the model team player..
 
2009-04-07 12:27:46 PM
It sounds like some writer basically begged him to say Manny was on steriods, and after a few questions he realized he'd get some attention and took the bait.
 
2009-04-07 01:01:53 PM
machoprogrammer: GimpyNip: ///Schilling? No F'n way

I think the only supplement Schilling took was hamburgers.


What, did you forget his burger-related nickname? Come now.

Even though most people have forgotten Canseco's 100% Accurate callout rating is a bit inflated through pointing out a bunch of obvious users, I still don't think it's wise for Canseco to risk said rating by saying anything like this. He has a lot of credibility, strange as it is to say, after A-Rod got busted, and he shouldn't take that lightly.
 
2009-04-07 01:33:09 PM
Hiymenator: Manny? Really? I may be a simple Red Sox fanboy, but I'd believe Ortiz before Manny, and I don't believe Ortiz did shait.

If Manny did anything, I'd believe acid before steroids. What's Canseco on these days ... angel dust?
 
2009-04-07 02:02:10 PM
lilbjorn: Hiymenator: Manny? Really? I may be a simple Red Sox fanboy, but I'd believe Ortiz before Manny, and I don't believe Ortiz did shait.

If Manny did anything, I'd believe acid before steroids. What's Canseco on these days ... angel dust?


THIS.
 
2009-04-07 09:17:59 PM
mloree: lilbjorn: Hiymenator: Manny? Really? I may be a simple Red Sox fanboy, but I'd believe Ortiz before Manny, and I don't believe Ortiz did shait.

If Manny did anything, I'd believe acid weed before steroids. What's Canseco on these days ... angel dust?

THIS.


There we go
 
2009-04-08 02:19:40 PM
Jose Canseco, 90% of the time it works everytime.
 
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