naugahyde monkey: Rapmaster2000: For all intensive purposes, it's a perfectly cromulent word.

...um

Dat's da joke.

40below: Personally, I'm glad the Taliban remain astonishingly poor shots.

They would've had you if you had been a giant, immovable statue.

One more thing, if they're trying to prove the use of thermate(thermite itself is obsolete)they should be looking for some of its other components such as barium nitrate(not really used for anything other than explosives/incendiaries) sulfur, and PBAN(solid rocket engine binding agent). None of these materials have any real reason to be found in a building, so in effect they would be the smoking gun, not the iron and aluminum. That is, unless they are able to prove that the iron oxide and aluminum existed in a nanoparticular matrix that does not exist without the hand of man actively guiding it.

/Not a freeper, truther, anything-er
//Except aerospace/defense engine-er
///These are not slashies

40below: Personally, I'm glad the Taliban remain astonishingly poor shots.

You should see the f*cking Iraqi insurgents. At least Terry has had decades of training. I've seen RPKs loaded backwards in al-Qaim...

Giblet: Radworld4: Giblet: Acid_Casualty: I like tho one about the fake plane. Or maybe it was remote controlled. God people are dense.

A C-5 Galaxy can be flown via remote and a few commercial airliners already have built-in remote capability for anti-hijacking since 2001. I know of no airline that enables it, but some planes have it. It's not new technology, and what works in a simulator will work when the only thing that's simulated is the windscreen.

What's curious is that you have ruled "preposterous", for 2001, that which was in use in the 90's. In related shockers: Earth orbits Sun and it's spherical.

I imagine an R/C crew would be three people: pilot, co-pilot, navigator. Just like on-board.

Do I think that happened? Nope, and it doesn't make any sense to think it did. Could it have happened? Absolutely. So as theories go, it's really REALLY weak, but not impossible. Do I think it should be investigated? Not with MY money......but knock yourself out with your money.

A chronically open mouth is not the same as an open mind.

Congratulations...you've got a big career writing fortune cookies ahead of you.

It takes a team of experts weeks to prepare a building for demolition using explosives. The weaken many of the brick or concrete walls, cut huge pieces out of many of the I-beams, drill holes in concrete to place the explosives and they place shaped charges on the I-beams. And when they set the explosives off, the building collapses from the bottom first.

The idea that a crew could get into the various buildings, spend all that time prepping them without getting caught and then set the charges on the exact floor that the planes were flown into is beyond comprehension.

Dawnrazor: Are you saying that thermite is migratory?

It could be African yellow cake.

Radworld4: Congratulations...you've got a big career writing fortune cookies ahead of you. [in bed]

The stupid part about this is how much the truthers dig for the smallest, most scant evidence they can find "specks of dust!" and sit back and wait for people with half a brain to do all the work to disprove it. Truthers are worse than young-earth creationists (I won't lump all creationists together), but not by much.

You can go back to trying to explain why Detroit won't produce a car fueled by water. Even Al Qaeda calls you guys idiots.
PROOF:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/9_11_conspiracy_theories

1. Put snakes on plane: Uh, what? He didn't make any scientific statements.

He implied that a "SILENT detonation" of thermite would be implausible, whereas in reality, thermite is used to burn through metal rather than blow it up, and it would be a more or less silent process.

jaymzz: Dawnrazor: Are you saying that thermite is migratory?

It could be African yellow cake.

But African yellow cake is tropical! New York is in a temperate zone.

jaymzz: Dawnrazor: Are you saying that thermite is migratory?

It could be African yellow cake.

Niiiiiicccee.

mooseyfate: I like conspiracy theories as much as the next guy, but 9/11 Troofers are something else, I'm telling you. They get to one of my friends, and he tried selling me on that whole "jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough" bullshiat. Now it's thermite and controlled SILENT detonations. All of this idiocy about finding trace amounts of shiat that's used in demolition and/or construction is just stupid. That'd be like someone beating my skull in with a tire iron until I was dead and my bowels evacuated. Then when the coroners came to perform the autopsy, they just took a look at my ass and conclude that I shiat myself to death. Quit being stupid, people.

Holy shiat did I lol at this

40below: FACT: World Trade Center #7: DEMOLISHED- No plane, nothing struck the building.

Look up the term Pyroclastic Flow

In October 2001, a team of vulcanologists and archeologists from Pomeii went to work at Ground Zero, because they realized that conditions on the site were idenitcal to what happened at Pompeii and Herculaneum 1900 years ago.

40below: spray off the mag in the belief that if they hit anything, Allah has willed it, then boot for the nearest rat line.

At some point the clerics are going to have to admit that inshallah is a "some assembly required" idea.

The success of the US in maintaining the secrecy around the atom bomb and the stealth fighter, or in any classified operation, lies in compartmentalization. A technician in Tennessee refining uranium ore in 1943 would have had no knowledge of its intended use, or any moral culpability in any deaths that occurred as a result of it. Another technician in Ohio, mixing a polymer resin in 1985, would have had no knowledge of what an F117A looked like or what it was intended to do.

The government routinely protects itself against disclosure by compelling millions of employees to sign security agreements and secrecy oaths which would make them subject to immediate incarceration or loss of benefits if they talked, even about criminal behavior. Perpetrating the murders of 9/11 required only a few people inside a small circle who indeed "need to know" the entire plan, or most of the plan, in order to complete their tasks. For reasons of physical safety, freedom from legal sanction, and job security, participants would be motivated -- and therefore, guaranteed -- not to informe one another.

...

Given that 9/11 was a homicide, it was absurd that pronouncements of guilt were made within hours of the attacks, even before interrogation of material witnesses (including key members of the US government and the bin Laden family) or the collection and analysis of physical evidence could take place. Much of the physical evidence was destroyed without examination. That in itself is a key anomaly suggesting guilty knowledge on the part of whoever directed the destruction of evidence at a crime scene. In the case of the World Trade Center, a detective would demand an answer from the DoJ and the FBI.

To date, the case that 9/11 was perpetrated solely by Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda has never been proved, even to the most rudimentary standards. In fact, some 35 months after the attacks there has not been a single successful 9/11 prosecution anywhere in the world. The only conviction that had been secured, a German prosecution against Mounir el Motassadeq, charged with aiding the so-called Hamburg cell of Mohammed Atta, was overturned in 2004 because the US govt. refused to produce key witnesses and evidence relevant to the charges.

Dwight_Yeast: they realized that conditions on the site were idenitcal to what happened at Pompeii and Herculaneum 1900 years ago

So...Vulcan did it?

He was the god of metalworking, so if anyone could make steel burn...

/This is where the truth lies.

(those were quotes from Crossing the Rubicon by Michael C. Ruppert)

Anarchangel: In fact, some 35 months after the attacks there has not been a single successful 9/11 prosecution anywhere in the world.

Wow Dude, you even suck at cutting and pasting.

35 months from 9/11.... carry the two.... OMG its Smarch Eleventy-Three Two Thousand and Purple!

Moran.

Anarchangel: The success of the US in maintaining the secrecy around the atom bomb and the stealth fighter, or in any classified operation, lies in compartmentalization. A technician in Tennessee refining uranium ore in 1943 would have had no knowledge of its intended use, or any moral culpability in any deaths that occurred as a result of it. Another technician in Ohio, mixing a polymer resin in 1985, would have had no knowledge of what an F117A looked like or what it was intended to do.

The government routinely protects itself against disclosure by compelling millions of employees to sign security agreements and secrecy oaths which would make them subject to immediate incarceration or loss of benefits if they talked, even about criminal behavior. Perpetrating the murders of 9/11 required only a few people inside a small circle who indeed "need to know" the entire plan, or most of the plan, in order to complete their tasks. For reasons of physical safety, freedom from legal sanction, and job security, participants would be motivated -- and therefore, guaranteed -- not to informe one another.

...

Given that 9/11 was a homicide, it was absurd that pronouncements of guilt were made within hours of the attacks, even before interrogation of material witnesses (including key members of the US government and the bin Laden family) or the collection and analysis of physical evidence could take place. Much of the physical evidence was destroyed without examination. That in itself is a key anomaly suggesting guilty knowledge on the part of whoever directed the destruction of evidence at a crime scene. In the case of the World Trade Center, a detective would demand an answer from the DoJ and the FBI.

To date, the case that 9/11 was perpetrated solely by Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda has never been proved, even to the most rudimentary standards. In fact, some 35 months after the attacks there has not been a single successful 9/11 prosecution anywhere in the world. The only conviction that had been secured, a German prosecution against Mounir el Motassadeq, charged with aiding the so-called Hamburg cell of Mohammed Atta, was overturned in 2004 because the US govt. refused to produce key witnesses and evidence relevant to the charges.

wow, you actually believe that crap, don't you?? That is amazing. How can a person stupid enough to believe in a govt. conspiracy concerning 9/11 be smart enough to type??

The need to know bullshiat in this case is another load of crap. The only people that would have been involved would have been the little, invisible men who spent weeks prepping the buildings and the guys flying the planes via remote control.

But why did the 4th plane have a REAL crew of hi-jackers?? How did the RC pilots fly the planes into the exact floor where the explosives were planted?

TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

Anarchangel: The success of the US in maintaining the secrecy around the atom bomb

"Secrecy" about the A-Bomb? You are joking, right?

Richard Feynman, who worked on it, said that aside from himself and Dr Oppenheimer, apparently everyone else working on the project was a spy. The Soviets were getting weekly progress reports from multiple sources, and most of the people in Los Alamos knew that some sort of new weapon out at the old ranch school.

Once we tested it, everyone for hundreds of miles knew we'd developed something new. That's why we dropped the other two on Japan so quickly: the element of surprise was very quickly getting away from us.

I don't think it's wise to say "the government did it", but given the extensive history of criminal activity perpetrated by the CIA, it wouldn't shock me if a few people knew it was going to happen and allowed for it to happen so they could take advantage of the moral outrage that ensued.

Anarchangel

The government knew who was behind the attacks as soon as they happened because George Tenet knew that al-Qaeda was operating in the U.S. with the intent to carry out some kind of operation. Remember the "al-Qaeda determined to strike" memo? The attack itself was also particular to the kinds of attack al-Qaeda is known for: ie blowing up iconic places.

As for the last part of your statement that no one has "proven al-Qaeda's involvement", I think you really have to be a clueless boob or just a denialist to not be aware of the absolute plethora of incriminating evidence against al-Qaeda, to include the confessions of their leaders and other would-be attackers.

There's a difference between "there is no evidence for..." and "conspiracy theorists rooted in denials don't believe...".

halfof33:

35 months from 9/11.... carry the two.... OMG its Smarch Eleventy-Three Two Thousand and Purple!


I came up with 42...I KNEW Douglas Adams was behind 9/11.

but I may have forgotten to carry the ostrich.

medius: So...Vulcan did it?

Pretty much: you aim a pryoclastic flow at a building like WTC7 and there's not going to be much left after it's done.

number8: The Rand Corporation

what the hell do these guys have to do with anything, other then making some crappy books? and selling design software?


well, unless they trained the guys who did the design for the replacement, and sold them their software.

halfof33: Anarchangel: In fact, some 35 months after the attacks there has not been a single successful 9/11 prosecution anywhere in the world.

Wow Dude, you even suck at cutting and pasting.

35 months from 9/11.... carry the two.... OMG its Smarch Eleventy-Three Two Thousand and Purple!

Moran.

35 months afterward would be 2004, the year Crossing the Rubicon was published. Like I said, I was quoting the book. Didn't even say it was true or not...but it has definitely made the thread more entertaining already.

Anarchangel: A technician in Tennessee refining uranium ore in 1943 would have had no knowledge of its intended use, or any moral culpability in any deaths that occurred as a result of it.

Anyone working at the TVA site or in Washington State who was refining uranium and knew how the process worked knew that there were only two uses for the element: either we were building a reactor or a bomb.

Apik0r0s: And the best way to cover up a conspiracy like 9/11 (if it was) would be to launch about five hundred websites making crazy-assed claims. What better way to draw attention away from Israeli agents celebrating the towers falling, the short selling in the week prior, the ignored warnings and shutting down of investigators on the trail of the hijackers, the entirely unikely coincidence that NORAD was gaming just this scenario that morning, the FEMA drill in NYC that morning, etc.

There is plenty to wonder about. Plenty that doesn't involve remote controlled planes or explosives in the buildings.

It's called jamming, where the noise far outweighs the signal.


I m on your side. A few too many coincidences. Call it dis information.

Lee Harvey Oswald was a heck of a marksman with the weapon he used also.

The real facts or truth will never come out. If they did, no one would recognize them.

Dwight_Yeast: medius: So...Vulcan did it?

Pretty much: you aim a pryoclastic flow at a building like WTC7 and there's not going to be much left after it's done.

Tt was an inside job! Inside...the earth's core!

I didn't see the movie. Is this how it really went down?

I want the truth!

Anarchangel: The success of the US in maintaining the secrecy around the atom bomb and the stealth fighter, or in any classified operation, lies in compartmentalization. A technician in Tennessee refining uranium ore in 1943 would have had no knowledge of its intended use, or any moral culpability in any deaths that occurred as a result of it. Another technician in Ohio, mixing a polymer resin in 1985, would have had no knowledge of what an F117A looked like or what it was intended to do.

The government routinely protects itself against disclosure by compelling millions of employees to sign security agreements and secrecy oaths which would make them subject to immediate incarceration or loss of benefits if they talked, even about criminal behavior. Perpetrating the murders of 9/11 required only a few people inside a small circle who indeed "need to know" the entire plan, or most of the plan, in order to complete their tasks. For reasons of physical safety, freedom from legal sanction, and job security, participants would be motivated -- and therefore, guaranteed -- not to informe one another.

...

Given that 9/11 was a homicide, it was absurd that pronouncements of guilt were made within hours of the attacks, even before interrogation of material witnesses (including key members of the US government and the bin Laden family) or the collection and analysis of physical evidence could take place. Much of the physical evidence was destroyed without examination. That in itself is a key anomaly suggesting guilty knowledge on the part of whoever directed the destruction of evidence at a crime scene. In the case of the World Trade Center, a detective would demand an answer from the DoJ and the FBI.

To date, the case that 9/11 was perpetrated solely by Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda has never been proved, even to the most rudimentary standards. In fact, some 35 months after the attacks there has not been a single successful 9/11 prosecution anywhere in the world. The only conviction that had been secured, a German prosecution against Mounir el Motassadeq, charged with aiding the so-called Hamburg cell of Mohammed Atta, was overturned in 2004 because the US govt. refused to produce key witnesses and evidence relevant to the charges.

The atom bomb was not kept secret, Stalin had spies that kept him well informed of the progress.

The idea that the people involved in this sort of thing would for reasons of physical safety, freedom from legal sanction, and job security, participants would be motivated -- and therefore, guaranteed -- not to inform on one another is another load of crap.

The first guy to approach a district attorney with this would get immunity and a new identity. Legal sanction? Do you think that the govt is going to take a person to court after he tells the press that it was a govt job? What purpose would it serve? How would you go about that? It would be admitting that he was telling the truth.

el aguila: The real facts or truth will never come out. If they did, no one would recognize them.

Or they have and they've been ignored because they're too obvious and everyone wanted to make them more complex.

ZipSplat: Anarchangel

The government knew who was behind the attacks as soon as they happened because George Tenet knew that al-Qaeda was operating in the U.S. with the intent to carry out some kind of operation. Remember the "al-Qaeda determined to strike" memo? The attack itself was also particular to the kinds of attack al-Qaeda is known for: ie blowing up iconic places.

As for the last part of your statement that no one has "proven al-Qaeda's involvement", I think you really have to be a clueless boob or just a denialist to not be aware of the absolute plethora of incriminating evidence against al-Qaeda, to include the confessions of their leaders and other would-be attackers.

There's a difference between "there is no evidence for..." and "conspiracy theorists rooted in denials don't believe...".

There certainly is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence. That doesn't mean there has been a conviction.

Again...I just wanted to see how everyone would react to it. :) It's one thing for a doofus to go off about something on a black-background website with bold yellow and white text and lots of capital letters, but people get genuinely testy when the argument is present with any hint of intelligence or logic behind it.

I like making people squirm in truther threads. :P

Magorn: What the building permits and inspection certificates say the WTC was made out of was not actually what was really there when the job was done. In particular the steel was lower grade than was called for, and there was a lot less of it.

I know someone who worked the original construction job who told me that DAYS after 9/11 when he was sure that he and a lot of other people were going to jail. That this has never come out I attribute to A)CYA by NY gov't officials on an EPIC scale combined with an understanding that if that issue came out it might shut off the the taps as far as the aid and sympathy that was flooding into NYC at the time. And if that seems far-fetched to you, just look at what political pressure on the EPA did in NYC.to breathe...

This, I believe.

er, presented.

I think I'm getting dumber by reading the comments in this thread.

GAT_00: So, we finally taking one of these green? You know, you people saying that BushCo engineered the destruction of the WTC in complete silence baffle me, especially as some of you also attribute Bush to be the moron he is. How the hell did they manage to pull this off, destroying the buildings and never letting anyone find out, and then manage to fark up the rest of his administration so badly?

I've pondered that myself, then I remembered that Bush was really just a show pony and Dick Cheney was running the show. That and I quit taking my meds and that's what the voices underneath the music on the oldies station tell me.

I_C_Weener: cranberryzero: SUPER THERMITE?

It was exposed to gamma rays.

That would be Incredible Thermite. Super Thermite has been exposed to rays from a yellow sun.

master_dman
So he finds thermite.. releases his study.. and they fire him?

Interesting.

Stanley (in flashback, pointing at letters marked"Return to Sender"): Who is this "Sender," and why are there so many letters addressed to him?

Mrs. Stupid: The next day, your father was fired. They never told us why.

/Not obscure
//Other people in the thread have addressed your quote seriously if that's what you're looking for

Anarchangel: er, presented.

I think I'm getting dumber by reading the comments in this thread.

that is not an uncommon phenomona with fark threads. There have been reported incidents of people experincing IQ levels droping down by at least half. these effects are most often seen in polotical, religous and conspiracy threads.

About the only aspect of "truther" logic I still believe is that the 9/11 Commission Report was incomplete at best. The money behind the operation was of no value to the investigation? Really?

An independent investigation, just to shut everybody up once and for all, would be really nice. But when you have a huge chunk of the country (and the world, for that matter) believing a fantasy about the government farking them in the ass, it makes them oblivious to the actual ass-farking they're getting.

Brown Jenkems: Super Thermite has been exposed to rays from a yellow sun.

can only be handled in a dark room under a red light?