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2009-04-08 04:29:46 PM
we're so close to the magic number, guys

don't stop now!

www.patriotsaints.com
 
2009-04-08 04:32:55 PM
StrangeTruth: The clear and present danger the Federal Reserve represents to our sovereignty and freedom is no conspiracy. In recent days influential members of the G20 such as Russia, have openly called for the replacement of the U.S. dollar as an accepted international standard, with a new global currency perhaps soon to be created. Accept any such global authority that supersedes the U.S Constitution and your liberty is lost, forever!

You dismissed the book and libeled the author without mentioning any specific disagreements you have with his contentions. Those are the relavant claims you should address. Instead you're admittedly content to rely on Amazon review comments. Summarization by cliff notes is no way to go through life son.

Rather than being content with the constant hind quarter view of the world that sheeple endlessly endure, concomitant with looking no farther than the nearest ass-
umption for guidance and direction, instead try actually reading a book and forming your own conclusions. Why keep following the the cloud of herd turd dust rising before you on the horizon?


So, let's get this straight. You have made no specific claims against the Federal Reserve, even though I have asked you to. Instead of providing an argument based on what you've read, you simply tell me to go read these books. Yet you have a problem when I respond to you by not referencing specific points.

You don't see how ridiculous this is? It's like me saying "I think Christianity is shiat." and you responding "Read the Bible." How about you make a specific claim, and I will provide you with a specific rebuttal. I've pointed out that if you simply want a book review, go check the Amazon one-star ratings where others who have read the book and respond to it specifically have made critiques.

I know plenty about Federal Reserve conspiracy theories, they all co-opt eachothers' material just like Truther movies. Therefore, I am familiar with the material without reading the particular book.

I am not simply criticizing the author. In addition to pointing out the general foolishness of the author, I am asking you for specific points which you would wish for me to rebut.

So please, give me a specific point instead of this "read this entire book" nonsense. I don't need to read Savage's plethora of ridiculous publications on "natural healing" and homeopathy in order to know the claims made by naturopaths and homeopaths are shiat because I am familiar with naturopathy and homeopathy.

So stop giving me a reading list and demonstrate your reading comprehension!

PS: you should look up "libel". It isn't libel if it's verifiably true.
 
2009-04-08 04:41:04 PM
Does ae911Truth have any specific evidence of explosives yet? Or are they still anomaly hunting with a predetermined conclusion?

It's been a while since I checked up on those guys.
 
2009-04-08 04:48:07 PM
ZipSplat: Does ae911Truth have any specific evidence of explosives yet? Or are they still anomaly hunting with a predetermined conclusion?

It's been a while since I checked up on those guys.


From what I understand, both sides have evidence that they believe to be true.
 
2009-04-08 04:53:23 PM
it was a david copperfield act gone horribly, horribly wrong
 
2009-04-08 04:55:33 PM
sxacho: From what I understand, both sides have evidence that they believe to be true.

Obviously... I would hope that if there were two sides to an argument that they would have evidence that they believe in. Otherwise they probably wouldn't be disagreeing.

I'm asking if they've found anything that is specific only to a controlled demoliton. Not something that occurs in both controlled demolition and is something you would expect to find with a catastrophic collapse. For example: thermite compounds used in welding. Loud sounds coming from the building as it collapsed. Firefighters saying "the building might collapse, so we're pulling out".

Last I was hip to the ae911Truth crowd they had no specific evidence, they were just reinterpreting anything remotely common to the building's construction, a controlled demolition, or the "official story" as "PROOF!!!"
 
2009-04-08 04:59:13 PM
medius: it was a david copperfield act gone horribly, horribly wrong

OH MAN! I remember that video from when I was a kid! I was absolutely floored by that one.

//what, I was like five years old...
 
2009-04-08 05:06:26 PM
ZipSplat: sxacho: From what I understand, both sides have evidence that they believe to be true.

Obviously... I would hope that if there were two sides to an argument that they would have evidence that they believe in. Otherwise they probably wouldn't be disagreeing.

I'm asking if they've found anything that is specific only to a controlled demoliton. Not something that occurs in both controlled demolition and is something you would expect to find with a catastrophic collapse. For example: thermite compounds used in welding. Loud sounds coming from the building as it collapsed. Firefighters saying "the building might collapse, so we're pulling out".

Last I was hip to the ae911Truth crowd they had no specific evidence, they were just reinterpreting anything remotely common to the building's construction, a controlled demolition, or the "official story" as "PROOF!!!"


My boss is pretty heavily into ae911truth.org and I don't believe there is any smoking gun. There is this report, which neither he nor I have read yet, but it's making a lot of noise out there. In their defense, it's my understanding that none of the few remaining material samples (which I believe to be criminal in and of itself) are available for independent testing.
 
2009-04-08 05:09:14 PM
StrangeTruth:
Here's your pill.
Don't worry, be happy.


I think you got on the wrong bus, my friend.


i40.tinypic.com
 
2009-04-08 05:17:04 PM
sxacho: In their defense, it's my understanding that none of the few remaining material samples (which I believe to be criminal in and of itself) are available for independent testing.

FEMA saved plenty of samples, and they are available for testing. But of course, they didn't preserve the entire smouldering heap. So the conspiracy theorists are convinced that somewhere in the materials that were disposed of there is a smoking gun.

The aims of FEMA and NIST are not to anticipate and satiate nutbags, primarily because they simply can't be satiated (how long will the Creation-Evolution controversy go on?).

No matter what you aren't going to be able to satisfy someone who is hellbent on proving their apriori hypothesis, nor are you going to prevent other people from believing them when they don't understand sound logic vs. fallacious logic.

There's simply no specific evidence of a controlled demolition, and in true conspiracy theorist fashion: a lack of evidence is merely evidence of a cover-up. You can't fight that with more samples.
 
2009-04-08 05:18:21 PM
WE DID IT!

/9/11
 
2009-04-08 07:17:36 PM
sxacho: From what I understand, both sides have evidence that they believe to be true.

Well, one side has evidence which supports their conclusions.

The other side has conclusions and is still looking to warp reality to fit them. If they stuble on anything that can be used as proof in their eyes, well, BONUS!
 
2009-04-08 07:32:51 PM
i40.tinypic.com

that was a startling admission
 
2009-04-08 07:34:46 PM
sxacho: ZipSplat: sxacho: From what I understand, both sides have evidence that they believe to be true.

Obviously... I would hope that if there were two sides to an argument that they would have evidence that they believe in. Otherwise they probably wouldn't be disagreeing.

I'm asking if they've found anything that is specific only to a controlled demoliton. Not something that occurs in both controlled demolition and is something you would expect to find with a catastrophic collapse. For example: thermite compounds used in welding. Loud sounds coming from the building as it collapsed. Firefighters saying "the building might collapse, so we're pulling out".

Last I was hip to the ae911Truth crowd they had no specific evidence, they were just reinterpreting anything remotely common to the building's construction, a controlled demolition, or the "official story" as "PROOF!!!"

My boss is pretty heavily into ae911truth.org and I don't believe there is any smoking gun. There is this report, which neither he nor I have read yet, but it's making a lot of noise out there. In their defense, it's my understanding that none of the few remaining material samples (which I believe to be criminal in and of itself) are available for independent testing.


I'm Back! Funny thing you should ask for independent testing. Jones sent his samples out for TWO independent tests TWO years ago. Funny that they were not mentioned in his report.
 
2009-04-08 07:42:07 PM
halfof33: Funny that they were not mentioned in his report.

The labs were in on it. The lab techs probably got their educations at government universities.
 
2009-04-08 08:19:36 PM
ZipSplat: sxacho: In their defense, it's my understanding that none of the few remaining material samples (which I believe to be criminal in and of itself) are available for independent testing.

FEMA saved plenty of samples, and they are available for testing. But of course, they didn't preserve the entire smouldering heap. So the conspiracy theorists are convinced that somewhere in the materials that were disposed of there is a smoking gun.

The aims of FEMA and NIST are not to anticipate and satiate nutbags, primarily because they simply can't be satiated (how long will the Creation-Evolution controversy go on?).

No matter what you aren't going to be able to satisfy someone who is hellbent on proving their apriori hypothesis, nor are you going to prevent other people from believing them when they don't understand sound logic vs. fallacious logic.

There's simply no specific evidence of a controlled demolition, and in true conspiracy theorist fashion: a lack of evidence is merely evidence of a cover-up. You can't fight that with more samples.


I wasn't aware that samples were available for testing. Other than that, you're absolutely right about all that. Still I doubt the accuracy of the NIST reports.
 
2009-04-08 08:21:55 PM
halfof33: I'm Back! Funny thing you should ask for independent testing. Jones sent his samples out for TWO independent tests TWO years ago. Funny that they were not mentioned in his report.

Interesting. Source?
 
2009-04-08 08:25:29 PM
Dwight_Yeast: sxacho: From what I understand, both sides have evidence that they believe to be true.

Well, one side has evidence which supports their conclusions.

The other side has conclusions and is still looking to warp reality to fit them. If they stuble on anything that can be used as proof in their eyes, well, BONUS!


Look at this model and tell me this is an accurate representation of what happened.
i44.photobucket.com
 
2009-04-08 08:46:39 PM
sxacho: Look at this model and tell me this is an accurate representation of what happened

It depends. What the hell am I looking at? If that WTC7 with the points of deformation greatly exaggerated, then yes, it could well be that that's exactly what happened.
 
2009-04-08 10:58:26 PM
ZipSplat: For any lurkers: No f*cking shiat, I just got a phone call from my mom asking me if it's true that DTV converter boxes have been discovered emitting an inaudible frequency used for mind control.

Don't tell her about the cameras and microphones that are inside.
 
2009-04-08 11:02:03 PM
I can't believe no one brought up the anti-matter fusion bombs, or the NSA satellite death rays.
 
2009-04-08 11:41:55 PM
sxacho: halfof33: I'm Back! Funny thing you should ask for independent testing. Jones sent his samples out for TWO independent tests TWO years ago. Funny that they were not mentioned in his report.

Interesting. Source?


GREAT QUESTION!

"I've sent chips to yet another lab, yesterday. Science is a human enterprise and often there is an element of competition and "proprietary information" involved. In this case however, I'm seeking for cooperation by sharing information and samples as we proceed, thus hoping to proceed more rapidly given the possibility of another false flag operation. We need answers quickly... on a scale of a few months, not years.

The announcement was calculated to encourage rapid research."

The good Doctor, December 2007!!

Linky:Link (new window)

what a fraud!
 
2009-04-09 12:54:28 AM
erewhon: Don't tell her about the cameras and microphones that are inside.

Already saw that one. This isn't the first time my step-dad has passed along some credulous conspiracy story. It happens from time to time and if it's not one I've heard of I usually go look it up.

I think this shiat is only going to get worse now that Fox News is basically opening the door to libertarian conspiracy nuts as part of their attempt to undermine Barack Obama.
 
2009-04-09 06:34:35 AM
ZipSplat: StrangeTruth: The clear and present danger the Federal Reserve represents to our sovereignty and freedom is no conspiracy. In recent days influential members of the G20 such as Russia, have openly called for the replacement of the U.S. dollar as an accepted international standard, with a new global currency perhaps soon to be created. Accept any such global authority that supersedes the U.S Constitution and your liberty is lost, forever!

You dismissed the book and libeled the author without mentioning any specific disagreements you have with his contentions. Those are the relavant claims you should address. Instead you're admittedly content to rely on Amazon review comments. Summarization by cliff notes is no way to go through life son.

Rather than being content with the constant hind quarter view of the world that sheeple endlessly endure, concomitant with looking no farther than the nearest ass-
umption for guidance and direction, instead try actually reading a book and forming your own conclusions. Why keep following the the cloud of herd turd dust rising before you on the horizon?

So, let's get this straight. You have made no specific claims against the Federal Reserve, even though I have asked you to. Instead of providing an argument based on what you've read, you simply tell me to go read these books. Yet you have a problem when I respond to you by not referencing specific points.

You don't see how ridiculous this is? It's like me saying "I think Christianity is shiat." and you responding "Read the Bible." How about you make a specific claim, and I will provide you with a specific rebuttal. I've pointed out that if you simply want a book review, go check the Amazon one-star ratings where others who have read the book and respond to it specifically have made critiques.

I know plenty about Federal Reserve conspiracy theories, they all co-opt eachothers' material just like Truther movies. Therefore, I am familiar with the material without reading the particular book.

I am not simply criticizing the author. In addition to pointing out the general foolishness of the author, I am asking you for specific points which you would wish for me to rebut.

So please, give me a specific point instead of this "read this entire book" nonsense. I don't need to read Savage's plethora of ridiculous publications on "natural healing" and homeopathy in order to know the claims made by naturopaths and homeopaths are shiat because I am familiar with naturopathy and homeopathy.

So stop giving me a reading list and demonstrate your reading comprehension!

PS: you should look up "libel". It isn't libel if it's verifiably true.



mama.indstate.edu
Believe whatever you want.
Don't worry, be happy.


Dude, you have "verified" nothing and what you need to "get straight" is that you obviously can't back up your own wild accusatory criticism with any substantial data or relevant facts. If you're going to make such ridiculous libelous claims, the burden in on you to back them up. Do your own homework.

You're not being asked to rebut specific points, you're being asked to back up your own claims. However you clearly can't do this, so instead you just continue to obfuscate.

Another fatally flawed assertion of yours is that I'm making specific points about the books. For the sake of accuracy let me also correct you on this as well; I'm suggesting these very popular informative books are valuably instructive relevant reading for those who wish to truly enlighten themselves.

You may recall this comment thread is about 911 and the fact that new scientific discoveries published in a peer reviewed scientific journal have demonstrated that contrary to what our government told us, traces of very powerful weapons grade explosives were present at the WTC site.

This has many onerous implications that should be further investigated. To do that, one needs to recognize that the best way to proceed is to follow both the money and the politics.

However, being a self appointed expert, apparently at everything, you have no need to actually educate yourself with the facts but instead simply rely on a "plethora" of unsupported opinion. That's hardly convincing, nor does it demonstrate that you posses the intellectual capacity and honesty necessary to merit being worthy of engaging in a serious debate.

Either simply support your own embarrassingly baseless claims or quit making them. If you want to engage others meaningfully, please bring something worthwhile to the discussion besides libel and self aggrandizing rhetorical misdirection.

Here is something else you may wish to read.

i43.tower.com
 
2009-04-09 08:47:38 AM
Dwight_Yeast: sxacho: Look at this model and tell me this is an accurate representation of what happened

It depends. What the hell am I looking at? If that WTC7 with the points of deformation greatly exaggerated, then yes, it could well be that that's exactly what happened.


That's one of the collapse models from the draft report of building 7. I don't know if the deformations were exaggerated or not. I didn't fully read and digest the whole draft report as there were only about three worthwhile weeks of reading time allowed before the deadline for public comment, so I mostly skimmed it. Three weeks to read, understand, and critique a 700+ page technical report. I don't know if that kind of time frame is common for this type of thing, but it seemed far too brief for me. So after the deadline passed, I stopped reading.
 
2009-04-09 08:57:23 AM
StrangeTruth: Another fatally flawed assertion of yours is that I'm making specific points about the books. For the sake of accuracy let me also correct you on this as well; I'm suggesting these very popular informative books are valuably instructive relevant reading for those who wish to truly enlighten themselves.

The same could be said about the Celestine Prophecy and The Secret, no? Your argument is poor. In order to convince someone to read a book like this, you will need to include specific points contained within, otherwise it's a lot like recommending self-help books.
 
2009-04-09 09:30:39 AM
sxacho: StrangeTruth: Another fatally flawed assertion of yours is that I'm making specific points about the books. For the sake of accuracy let me also correct you on this as well; I'm suggesting these very popular informative books are valuably instructive relevant reading for those who wish to truly enlighten themselves.

The same could be said about the Celestine Prophecy and The Secret, no? Your argument is poor. In order to convince someone to read a book like this, you will need to include specific points contained within, otherwise it's a lot like recommending self-help books.


Actually, what he's doing is a lot like "annoying the piss and shiat out of everyone". But that's just my take on it.
 
2009-04-09 10:26:44 AM
StrangeTruth: You may recall this comment thread is about 911 and the fact that new scientific discoveries published in a peer reviewed scientific journal have demonstrated that contrary to what our government told us, traces of very powerful weapons grade explosives were present at the WTC site.

Everything in the quoted sentence is a lie.

Jones and his cohorts are frauds. And you gobbled up their line of bullshiat like a bag of cheetos at a truther convention.

Neat reference to the matrix though, big guy. Unfortunately most of the cool basement dwellers that make up the Truth movement typically rely on V for Vendetta quotes now.

Remember folks, turn off the computer and the Truth movement vanishes.
 
2009-04-09 11:33:09 AM
i51.photobucket.com

i87.photobucket.com

'Nuff Said.
 
2009-04-09 11:37:57 AM
halfof33: Remember folks, turn off the computer and the Truth movement vanishes.

www.conversantlife.com
 
2009-04-09 11:42:39 AM
mooseyfate: sxacho: StrangeTruth: Another fatally flawed assertion of yours is that I'm making specific points about the books. For the sake of accuracy let me also correct you on this as well; I'm suggesting these very popular informative books are valuably instructive relevant reading for those who wish to truly enlighten themselves.

The same could be said about the Celestine Prophecy and The Secret, no? Your argument is poor. In order to convince someone to read a book like this, you will need to include specific points contained within, otherwise it's a lot like recommending self-help books.

Actually, what he's doing is a lot like "annoying the piss and shiat out of everyone". But that's just my take on it.


And how.
 
2009-04-09 04:33:33 PM
StrangeTruth: However, being a self appointed expert, apparently at everything, you have no need to actually educate yourself with the facts but instead simply rely on a "plethora" of unsupported opinion. That's hardly convincing, nor does it demonstrate that you posses the intellectual capacity and honesty necessary to merit being worthy of engaging in a serious debate.

Either simply support your own embarrassingly baseless claims or quit making them. If you want to engage others meaningfully, please bring something worthwhile to the discussion besides libel and self aggrandizing rhetorical misdirection.



I've got a pill for you...

www.youhaverights.com

I made no claims, tard. I've stated that Griffin's book in general is shiat. It's just a swill of typical federal reserve myths. I've asked you to actually present one and we'll discuss it.

Would you like a run down of Federal Reserve mythology? I've got links for that.

Right now you are just giving everyone "a piece-a' yer mind on what'n we shoulda been readin'..." And what I've said is, "ok, you want a dialog over the issue? Drop a specific claim from these charlatan masterpieces about the Federal Reserve that you find compelling."

You haven't done that. So stop pretending like I'm the one being disengenuous. I'm not going to go out and buy your ridiculous books, read them, then get back to you. I'm relying on you to present an argument demonstrating what you've apparently "learned".
 
2009-04-09 04:52:11 PM
StrangeTruth: You may recall this comment thread is about 911 and the fact that new scientific discoveries published in a peer reviewed scientific journal have demonstrated that contrary to what our government told us, traces of very powerful weapons grade explosives were present at the WTC site.

And BTW, lol^^^.

1) Thermite is not a "military grade high-powered explosive". It is just an industrial incendiary that the military also uses.
2) Traces of this material haven't actually been found. Steven Jones is presenting what have definitively been shown to be flecks of paint with rust on one side that probably used to be the primer on the columns. He is claiming that they are actually byproducts of thermite combustion, but he has no evidence for this claim. Yes Virginia, believe it or not, cranks will submit things for "peer review" that aren't actually evidenced.
3) The journal he submitted it to is not a respected journal. It's literally a paid-placement "peer review". It's on the same level as late-night infomercials framed as news reports "here to tell you about this exciting new discovery in the science of fat-loss-ology!"
4) It's also not "new". Jones has been pushing this for YEARS without luck in the scientific community. He shows a spectral analysis of pieces of materials that are supposedly from the WTC (more on that later) and yes. They are indeed consistent with a thermite ignition. However what he doesn't tell you is that it's also consistent with what you would expect to find from a burning building! It's like a patient presenting with a headache at a hospital, and the doctor immediately determining that it's brain cancer.
5) The samples Jones has were not retrieved by him directly from the site. He literally got them from some guy in NYC that swept up some dust from his roof after the tower collapse!
6) Believe it or not, thermite WOULD be expected ANYWAY at the WTC rubble. It is used in steel construction, and was used in the construction of the WTCs.

So put down the Kool Aid. There is a very good reason why Jones is about as respected in science and engineering circles as Michael Savage is in medical circles, and it ain't because they're "all in on it" or "afraid of the truth."
 
2009-04-09 05:07:49 PM
DAMMIT! I MISSED IT!!
 
2009-04-09 06:35:14 PM
sxacho: StrangeTruth: Another fatally flawed assertion of yours is that I'm making specific points about the books. For the sake of accuracy let me also correct you on this as well; I'm suggesting these very popular informative books are valuably instructive relevant reading for those who wish to truly enlighten themselves.

The same could be said about the Celestine Prophecy and The Secret, no? Your argument is poor. In order to convince someone to read a book like this, you will need to include specific points contained within, otherwise it's a lot like recommending self-help books.


Great question. Yes, the same could be said about the Celestine Prophecy. You should indeed say so, if you wish to actually make the contention. You're argument is rich, thanks for the chuckle.

www.jedigirl.com

Great read, definitely worth the time!


Regarding best selling author James Redfield, his books are fantastic. Certainly one should always make time for spiritual considerations in life. Absolutely worth putting your video games away for a while. You may be relieved to know, should your imagination be diminished from lack of use as an unfortunate product of our public school system typifying liberal degradation of our society, you can also just watch the movie.

As for prior, more relevant recommended books, read them or not, red pill or blue, the choice is up to you.

upload.wikimedia.org
Here is a great self-help book recommendation for you.
 
2009-04-09 06:54:43 PM
StrangeTruth: Absolutely worth putting your video games away for a while.

Yes, put away your video games kids. The real goods are in fantasy novels and Michael Savage books. I mean, he'd know if "liberalism" was a mental disorder, he certainly got autism pegged:

"...In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out...What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, you idiot.'"
-Michael Savage on autism


What a thoughtful, trustworthy man...
 
2009-04-09 07:00:58 PM
And incidentally, Michael Savage has discovered the cure for that 1% of cases that actually are autism!

jdc325.files.wordpress.com

That guy is friggin' Superman!
 
2009-04-09 07:05:49 PM
halfof33: StrangeTruth: You may recall this comment thread is about 911 and the fact that new scientific discoveries published in a peer reviewed scientific journal have demonstrated that contrary to what our government told us, traces of very powerful weapons grade explosives were present at the WTC site.

Everything in the quoted sentence is a lie.

Jones and his cohorts are frauds. And you gobbled up their line of bullshiat like a bag of cheetos at a truther convention.

Neat reference to the matrix though, big guy. Unfortunately most of the cool basement dwellers that make up the Truth movement typically rely on V for Vendetta quotes now.

Remember folks, turn off the computer and the Truth movement vanishes.


Really?

images.zerofootprint.net

Prove it?
 
2009-04-09 07:19:04 PM
StrangeTruth: Really?

Not too good with abstract concepts, are ya...
 
2009-04-09 07:25:15 PM
ZipSplat: StrangeTruth: Absolutely worth putting your video games away for a while.

Yes, put away your video games kids. The real goods are in fantasy novels and Michael Savage books. I mean, he'd know if "liberalism" was a mental disorder, he certainly got autism pegged:


"...In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out...What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, you idiot.'"
-Michael Savage on autism


What a thoughtful, trustworthy man...


Don't act like a moron. Straighten up. Being a putz is no way to go through life son.

bp2.blogger.com
 
2009-04-09 07:29:51 PM
ZipSplat: StrangeTruth: Really?

Not too good with abstract concepts, are ya...


He reminds me of that guy that would post bizarre non-sequiturs then follow up with nothing but screen caps of Heath Ledger from Batman when asked to present specific arguments.

It's pretty obvious he doesn't HAVE any specific points to make, no arguments to present, at least none he feels he can substantiate. It's pretty safe to post pictures of red and blue pills - you don't have to defend your point.
 
2009-04-09 08:18:01 PM
StrangeTruth: putz


putz
: fool, idiot, jerk; unclean penis.

"Regarding best selling author James Redfield, his books are fantastic. Certainly one should always make time for spiritual considerations in life. Absolutely worth putting your video games away for a while. You may be relieved to know, should your imagination be diminished from lack of use as an unfortunate product of our public school system typifying liberal degradation of our society, you can also just watch the movie."

I think we all know who the foolish unclean penis-jerk is around here. He's the guy who gets spiritual inspiration from a fantasy novel and thinks that thermite is a "weapons grade high explosive". He also has a tendency to post images of books he thinks others should read but hasn't actually read himself, which is obviated by the fact that he can't actually present, represent, or defend any of the book's arguments.

bensbreakfastblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-04-09 09:11:14 PM
ZipSplat: StrangeTruth: You may recall this comment thread is about 911 and the fact that new scientific discoveries published in a peer reviewed scientific journal have demonstrated that contrary to what our government told us, traces of very powerful weapons grade explosives were present at the WTC site.

And BTW, lol^^^.

1) Thermite is not a "military grade high-powered explosive". It is just an industrial incendiary that the military also uses.
2) Traces of this material haven't actually been found. Steven Jones is presenting what have definitively been shown to be flecks of paint with rust on one side that probably used to be the primer on the columns. He is claiming that they are actually byproducts of thermite combustion, but he has no evidence for this claim. Yes Virginia, believe it or not, cranks will submit things for "peer review" that aren't actually evidenced.
3) The journal he submitted it to is not a respected journal. It's literally a paid-placement "peer review". It's on the same level as late-night infomercials framed as news reports "here to tell you about this exciting new discovery in the science of fat-loss-ology!"
4) It's also not "new". Jones has been pushing this for YEARS without luck in the scientific community. He shows a spectral analysis of pieces of materials that are supposedly from the WTC (more on that later) and yes. They are indeed consistent with a thermite ignition. However what he doesn't tell you is that it's also consistent with what you would expect to find from a burning building! It's like a patient presenting with a headache at a hospital, and the doctor immediately determining that it's brain cancer.
5) The samples Jones has were not retrieved by him directly from the site. He literally got them from some guy in NYC that swept up some dust from his roof after the tower collapse!
6) Believe it or not, thermite WOULD be expected ANYWAY at the WTC rubble. It is used in steel construction, and was used in the construction of the WTCs.

So put down the Kool Aid. There is a very good reason why Jones is about as respected in science and engineering circles as Michael Savage is in medical circles, and it ain't because they're "all in on it" or "afraid of the truth."


mama.indstate.edu
Whoa zipper-splat.
Dude, are you taking the "super" blue pill?


Dear Dr. zipper-splat:

You still have your facts wrong. If nothing else you are at least consistent.

Not to be redundant, but clearly you haven't bothered to read the scientific report before spouting off endlessly about how you disagree with it. You have also failed to back up any of your ludicrous criticism with any supporting data, facts or references.

Therefore, nothing you've written would fly in a peer reviewed scientific journal and as you may recall, that is the level of information we're discussing here. However you're welcome to try. If you do, please let us know how it works out.

Until then, sorry Pal, but I remain unconvinced. With all the self destructive deceitful economic shenanigans going on endorsed by our new messiah as well as far too many government officials unconstitutionally embracing the New World Order, I'm not inclined to join you and your fellow liberal lemmings in your politically blind race past the common sense point of no return and over the cliff to your own dreaded socialist demise.

Honestly, while we still have free speech in America, let me point out that what is so great about publishing in a peer reviewed journal, is that people with overly ambitious, under qualified, personally biased scientifically limited retort such as yours, don't get to waste other peoples time by not having their facts straight.

Obviously since you've haven't read much here either beyond your own childish meanderings, be advised that if you go back to the news article and even the very Weeners posted on this thread, you will see that it was not just thermite, but "nanostructured super-thermite"

So after nearly 1,000 comments posted, shall we begin again, this time the facts?

Then again, on second thought, I think I'll just wait for your response to be published in the Journal. If you really have any valuable information refuting the published facts, they will gladly consider your paper. Be warned though, this is not quite as easy as posting a comment on Fark, but if you are truly as committed to your libelous lost cause as you absurdly seem to be, here is where you can submit your paper:

The Open Chemical Physics Journal

Aims & Scope

The Open Chemical Physics Journal is an Open Access online journal which publishes research articles, reviews and letters in all areas of chemical physics.

The Open Chemical Physics Journal is a peer-reviewed journal which aims to provide the most complete and reliable source of information on current developments in chemical physics. The emphasis will be on publishing quality papers rapidly and freely available to researchers worldwide.


Good luck!

The original scientific report is available for free at this URL:
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/^A/7TOC P J.SGM

It's only thirty pages, so please give it a read. What's the worst that could happen? After all, as the Bible says: "But above all things truth is victor".

"Free government is founded in jealousy, not confidence. It is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions, to bind those we are obliged to trust with power.... In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in men, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1799

www.allamakeegop.com
http://www.usconstitution.com
 
2009-04-09 10:04:23 PM
ZipSplat: StrangeTruth: putz


putz: fool, idiot, jerk; unclean penis.

"Regarding best selling author James Redfield, his books are fantastic. Certainly one should always make time for spiritual considerations in life. Absolutely worth putting your video games away for a while. You may be relieved to know, should your imagination be diminished from lack of use as an unfortunate product of our public school system typifying liberal degradation of our society, you can also just watch the movie."

I think we all know who the foolish unclean penis-jerk is around here. He's the guy who gets spiritual inspiration from a fantasy novel and thinks that thermite is a "weapons grade high explosive". He also has a tendency to post images of books he thinks others should read but hasn't actually read himself, which is obviated by the fact that he can't actually present, represent, or defend any of the book's arguments.


mama.indstate.edu
Please Dr. Zipper-splat,
have another pill.


Dude, I didn't mean to reduce you to a sniveling, whining name calling pile of worthless liberal waste. Well ... maybe I did, but it's so pathetic. C'mon Doc, please get up off the floor. Stand back up on your feet like man. So you took a little well deserved beating, big deal, you'll live to fight another day. Everything is okay, well sort of.

www.zwirnerandwirth.com
Here you go Dr. Zipper-splat, have a Weener.
 
2009-04-09 10:16:06 PM
StrangeTruth: Dude, I didn't mean to reduce you to a sniveling, whining name calling pile of worthless liberal waste. Well ... maybe I did, but it's so pathetic.

www.theonion.com

//Baby, did you forget to take your meds?
 
2009-04-09 10:50:08 PM
StrangeTruth: The Open Chemical Physics Journal is an Open Access online journal which publishes research articles, reviews and letters in all areas of chemical physics.

The Open Chemical Physics Journal is a peer-reviewed journal which aims to provide the most complete and reliable source of information on current developments in chemical physics. The emphasis will be on publishing quality papers rapidly and freely available to researchers worldwide.


Baaa Baa! The truther sheep believes the vanity pay for publish bull shiat published by an absolute fraud.

Hey Truther, the boys are tearing your dumb freaking truther hero a new one over at JREF. They have samples that your dumb mutt sent to France that show without a doubt that what your hero thinks is thermite was really farking paint.

Hilarious! I came back to this thread for two reasons: 1. to mock your sheep ass; 2. to pick up the link to the 911Blogger link I posted up above. Your pal is now claiming he never sent the samples to independent labs! The Truth movement dies tonight!

Bwhahahahahahaha!!!
 
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