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2009-04-06 04:08:32 PM  
40below: Because THEY control our government, banks and media...

Like I said, It's always the Joo.
 
2009-04-06 04:08:38 PM  
Oh, come now. Everyone knows it was the energy beam from the NSA satellites that detonated the anti-matter fusion microgrenades that the SFOD-E team had placed days before.

Look, I'll tell you all something that you probably didn't know. You'll only find it here, and just this once, and then most likely my boss will visit Drew again and erase this. So read up and remember. (Don't worry, Drew gets a bottle of Makers Mark for a consolation prize every time they do that...)

SFOD-E, they're different. There are some GRUELING tests as part of their qualification training. To become an SFOD-A delta, for example, they shoot a goat and you have to practice your skills keeping it alive.

To pass your SFOD-E charlie course, you have a test too. Only for SFOD-E, you have to destroy a major piece of infrastructure without getting caught. Now, you get to have the rest of the training team assist you in reaching your target, but you have to rig the thing. The various WTC buildings were a joint graduation exercise by three training groups. Another team took out a chunk of the Pentagon. That little loophole has been closed - you can no longer blow up active military targets, however, the team did get an "attaboy" for original thinking. No one expected them to target the Pentagon for their demo.

In the 9/11 graduation exercise, you can also see the Echo Force echoes' graduation demo, they used their holographic image projectors to show really convincing simulacra of airliners to provide cover, while broadcasting great "cell phone calls" to anchor the alibi.

In addition, the Echo Force foxtrots captured and "turned" a large number of firefighters, police and bystanders so that you had "eye witnesses".

In the past, they generally didn't run these joint multi-team graduation exercises but it was decided that we needed to save money. The twin towers needed to come down anyway, the owner was buddies with Bush and had lots of insurance, and he needed to recapitalize some other projects.
 
2009-04-06 04:09:09 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Wake up sheeple. Steel DOESN'T BURN!!11!


um yes it does
unless you are just a troll?

have you ever heard of RUST?
 
2009-04-06 04:09:16 PM  
It was Dubya! Duuuuuh!!!

The 'Shrub' administration was completely incompetent and retarded, as we all heard ad nauseam for the past eight years. But, the incompetent retards somehow still managed to pull off a logistically impossible inside-job, as part of their genius plan of world domination!!!11!1!

Is there anyone else here that is reminded of some pertinent saying? Something having to do with cake? And wanting to maintain possession of it, despite a concurrent wish to also to consume it?

/Want to make a "Troother's" head explode? Point out to them that, for 9/11 to have been an inside-job, the Bush administration would necessarily have to have been the most competent, effective, and efficient administration in history (hell, Clinton couldn't even get away with a blowjob, but Bush was able to pull this off!1!11).
//Oh, and don't forget the Joos! Israel can't even control a bunch of rag-tag Palestinians with homemade weapons, but they sure-as-shiat can control a super-power!!!1!11!1
///All inside-job theories have a basis in anti-semitic, white-power ideology (even if the less extremist believers don't realize it), but this in no way bears upon the validity of such beliefs
////I always believe in conspiracy theories based so obviously on ignorance. For example, the biggest 'discrepancy' that 'troothers' point out, is that jet fuel supposedly doesn't burn hot enough to melt the steel used in the WTC... except that they used an electrical engineering organization to analyze architecture and structural engineering... and, that organization -working outside of its actual field of understanding- forgot to take into account such simple things as the impact knocking off the heat-shielding, that the steel just had to weaken, not melt, etc.!!!1111!!1!
//Too many slashies
 
2009-04-06 04:09:18 PM  
This is the same tactic used by the clowns who were POSITIVE that Saddam had WMDs. Just shout down and attempt to marginalize any dissenting voice. If you thought the US government was lying about Iraqs nukes you were "crazy" or stupid. But, when the truth came out, you couldn't find a mutherfarker who was for the war because of Iraq's imaginary weapons program. They changed their justification and they supported the invasion because Saddam was a dictator or whatever. Also, they became more determined than ever to make an enemy of the people who opposed them. The people who were right.

Same thing'll happen here. When the truth comes to light, you won't be able to find a person who mocked the administration's involvement. And they'll never stand up like men/women and admit to their actions when they were blinded by patriotism. They'll just claim Obama is in on it too because he's Cheney's distant cousin.
 
2009-04-06 04:09:57 PM  

bstud: swahnhennessy: Editor's note: This story has been updated and rewritten for balance and clarity.

Heh.

UPDATE: This story has been replaced by the following image:


Or this:
i8.photobucket.com
 
2009-04-06 04:10:11 PM  
Alpharadiation: no hulk hogan?

Damn, what was I thinking?

i27.photobucket.com
 
2009-04-06 04:10:27 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: The frothing at the mouth troofers will have a field day on this one. Here is a quote that sums up the entire conspiracy mindset: "Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence." -- Napoleon Bonaparte Robert J. Hanlon


FTFY.

/It's called Hanlon's razor.
//Go ahead, start a conspiracy about that that.
 
2009-04-06 04:10:43 PM  
*************NOT A TRUTHER BUT.............***************

I would be curious to see what masons think, only because as a carpenter when I've demo'd buildings those puff's of cement in the video are just like when we fire our demo sticks. And if the weld joints/bolts 'melted' why would there be dust.
 
2009-04-06 04:10:43 PM  

cranberryzero: subby here...

i just noticed that this was my 611th greenlight.

611.


LIES

it's 612
clearly, we should not trust anything you post
 
2009-04-06 04:10:44 PM  
Thermite, used in
(1)steel welding
(2)fireworks shows
(3)hand grenades
(4)demolition

I would imagine that there was a certain amount of welding done in the process of raising those buildings. That couldn't possibly be the reason they found Thermite in the dust.
 
2009-04-06 04:10:53 PM  
I thought the truth had come out long ago:
i42.tinypic.com
 
2009-04-06 04:10:55 PM  

rinasaunce: Steven E. Jones - yup, he's the same 'scientist' who claimed that the Inca's clay pots PROVES the Mormon god visited South America....

Impressive!


Yeah he was also one of the cold fusion nutjobs back in the 80s. Thanks for helping hold physics back 20 years, buddy!
 
2009-04-06 04:12:38 PM  

40below: I've met people like you...


Well, you're either really stupid or you're trolling. Eitherway, you've earned your spot next to Linux_Yes on my ignore list.
 
2009-04-06 04:12:42 PM  
"Fail" not sufficient
Weeping Jesus on the Cross
9-11 Truth
 
2009-04-06 04:12:49 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Just shout down and attempt to marginalize any dissenting voice


every claim of the troofers has been scientifically and rationally examined and found to be a load of hoey.

we're not the one shouting down anybody. troofers are the ones with an agenda who will ignore all evidence that doesn't advance that agenda.

it's the worst and most corrosive kind of irrational faith, because it is militantly anti-intellectual and anti-scientific method.
 
2009-04-06 04:12:49 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: This is the same tactic used by the clowns who were POSITIVE that Saddam had WMDs. Just shout down and attempt to marginalize any dissenting voice. If you thought the US government was lying about Iraqs nukes you were "crazy" or stupid. But, when the truth came out, you couldn't find a mutherfarker who was for the war because of Iraq's imaginary weapons program. They changed their justification and they supported the invasion because Saddam was a dictator or whatever. Also, they became more determined than ever to make an enemy of the people who opposed them. The people who were right.

Same thing'll happen here. When the truth comes to light, you won't be able to find a person who mocked the administration's involvement. And they'll never stand up like men/women and admit to their actions when they were blinded by patriotism. They'll just claim Obama is in on it too because he's Cheney's distant cousin.


WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
 
2009-04-06 04:12:50 PM  

ultraholland: Alpharadiation: no hulk hogan?

Damn, what was I thinking?


You're part of the conspiracy to discredit me.
 
2009-04-06 04:13:07 PM  

StrangeTruth: Reported in credible peer reviewed scientific journal


Bwhahahaha!

Published in vanity pay to publish open source rag, where you appoint your own reviewers.

Absolute garbage. Oh except for the parts where they prove it is not Thermite. Giggle!
 
2009-04-06 04:13:22 PM  

Bartleby the Scrivener: no howling frog?

40below's missileskiffs make up for it though...

\and welcome back DRO, haven't seen ya around lately. it's been the same.

====================================

Thanks. Got a promotion and had to lay off the Fark for a while.
 
2009-04-06 04:16:57 PM  
SuperCatBarf: You're part of the conspiracy to discredit me.

It would be wise of you to never mention this again. You know too much, sir.
 
2009-04-06 04:17:49 PM  
Man oh man it certainly seems that some poor soulds have graduated from a mere tin foil hats to forty-pound lead and aluminum helmets.

Come on, even if the dark ops puzzle palace puppet masters could have pulled off an agent provocateur move on such a massive scale, to what purpose would it serve? Justify a Middle East war of occupation? They must have had a pretty good idea where the Holy Grail was, or the Crystal Skull, or Nebuchadnezzar's magical left testicle which grants it's holder infinite power to seduce the most prim and proper virgins...
 
2009-04-06 04:18:35 PM  

Radioactive Ass: alfredromeo: but there are a lot of unanswered questions about the incident.

Such as?...


the Iraq
 
2009-04-06 04:18:35 PM  

Barnstormer: forty-pound lead and aluminum thermite helmets.


fixed ;)
 
2009-04-06 04:18:41 PM  
i100.photobucket.com

Open your farking eyes sheeple! It's all right there!
 
2009-04-06 04:18:42 PM  
It was Dubya! Duuuuuh!!!

The 'Shrub' administration was completely incompetent and retarded, as we all heard ad nauseam for the past eight years. But, the incompetent retards somehow still managed to pull off a logistically impossible inside-job, as part of their genius plan of world domination!!!11!1!

Is there anyone else here that is reminded of some pertinent saying? Something having to do with cake? And wanting to maintain possession of it, despite a concurrent wish to also to consume it?

/Want to make a "Troother's" head explode? Point out to them that, for 9/11 to have been an inside-job, the Bush administration would necessarily have to have been the most competent, effective, and efficient administration in history (hell, Clinton couldn't even get away with a blowjob, but Bush was able to pull this off!1!11).
//Oh, and don't forget the Joos! Israel can't even control a bunch of rag-tag Palestinians with homemade weapons, but they sure-as-shiat can control a super-power!!!1!11!1
///All inside-job theories have a basis in anti-semitic, white-power ideology (even if the less extremist believers don't realize it), but this in no way bears upon the validity of such beliefs
////I always believe in conspiracy theories based so obviously on ignorance. For example, the biggest 'discrepancy' that 'troothers' point out, is that jet fuel supposedly doesn't burn hot enough to melt the steel used in the WTC... except that they used an electrical engineering organization to analyze architecture and structural engineering... and, that organization -working outside of its actual field of understanding- forgot to take into account such simple things as the impact knocking off the heat-shielding, that the steel just had to weaken, not melt, etc.!!!1111!!1!
//Too many slashies
 
2009-04-06 04:19:02 PM  

40below: FACT: ALL (THREE) World Trade Center buildings fell at "free-fall" rate of gravity. (Impossible without forward detonations to enable such)


What if it weighed as much as a duck?
 
2009-04-06 04:20:01 PM  

40below: FACT: ALL (THREE) World Trade Center buildings fell at "free-fall" rate of gravity. (Impossible without forward detonations to enable such)


ummm
physics
it's what happens in the REAL world

while you are "correct" that the lower floors "SLOWED" the fall over all, decreasing the net acceleration, have you done the math?
9s versus 9.5s (assuming the floors slowed the fall to 9/10g)
do we really know how long the building took to FALL once it started?
and if you very the start time do you get the answer you want?

/why am I talking to tinfoilpeople

/plus if your OTHER moronic "thermite cut the beams" also happened, wouldn't that have reduced the "slowing" effect?
 
2009-04-06 04:20:24 PM  

jaymzz: What if it weighed as much as a duck?


IT'S A WITCH! KILL IT WITH FIRE THERMITE!
 
2009-04-06 04:20:50 PM  
jaymzz: 40below: FACT: ALL (THREE) World Trade Center buildings fell at "free-fall" rate of gravity. (Impossible without forward detonations to enable such)

What if it weighed as much as a duck?


We shall use my larger scales.
 
2009-04-06 04:21:13 PM  

4 lives down 5 to go: And if the weld joints/bolts 'melted' why would there be dust.


because ducks would be improbable, and noodles too contrived.
 
2009-04-06 04:21:49 PM  

I Said: 40below: blah blah blah stuff stuff booooring yakkity schmakkity

FACT: "FACT" is spelled with 4 letters
FACT: "9/11" has four characters
FACT: You already see the connection
FACT: You're looking over your shoulder as we speak because your freaked out by my . . .
FACT: A cheetah is the fastest land animal


40Below: Sources please

FACT: The dot above the letter "i" is called a tittle
 
2009-04-06 04:21:50 PM  
jaymzz: What if it weighed as much as a duck?

Then it would float on water and therefor be a witch and must be burned. So either way their destruction was a good thing.
 
2009-04-06 04:22:22 PM  
I took a physics 221 (calculus based physics) class from Dr. Jones a few years ago, before he got canned. He was pretty nuts, always talking about buried treasure in Southern Utah. But also pretty nice, he had us build solar powered ovens to send to Africa... anyways, he would always hand out fliers in class about 9/11 meetings and talk about how it was impossible for jet fuel to burn hot enough to take down the towers... he just seemed like a really smart old guy that was going a little nuts. I probably wouldn't believe anything he published, and be very skeptical of how this 'evidence' was collected...

/full disclosure: he gave me an A
 
2009-04-06 04:22:33 PM  

Bartleby the Scrivener: because ducks would be improbable, and noodles too contrived.


What if the thermite was carried by two swallows?
 
2009-04-06 04:22:39 PM  

loonatic112358: shirtsbyeric: FTA: Elemental Aluminum

I thought Aluminum was an alloy.

you're kidding right?
insert me facepalming here

what metals would aluminum be composed of then?


Actually, most things that get called "aluminum" are actually alloys. For example, 2024 Aluminum (common in aircraft fittings) is composed of:

Aluminum, Al 90.7 - 94.7 %
Chromium, Cr Copper, Cu 3.80 - 4.90 %
Iron, Fe Magnesium, Mg 1.20 - 1.80 %
Manganese, Mn 0.30 - 0.90 %
Other, each Other, total Silicon, Si Titanium, Ti Zinc, Zn
There are lots more examples, but this was the first one that came to mind. Elemental aluminum is actually a bit rare to find. It's not useful for much unless alloyed with other metals.
 
2009-04-06 04:22:50 PM  
It's crack-pots like these that muddy the waters of reason. If anyone thinks for a minute that there aren't individuals in our government who wouldn't consider killing thousands of innocents in order to obtain a desired outcome, then they have their eyes closed.

/not quoting facts, just my a**...,er, opinion
 
2009-04-06 04:23:27 PM  
crunkpanda.com

Who all saw the superthermite say YEEEAAAAH!
 
2009-04-06 04:23:37 PM  

40below: FACTFACTFACTFACTFACT


omg you're serious.
 
2009-04-06 04:23:37 PM  
jaymzz: Bartleby the Scrivener: because ducks would be improbable, and noodles too contrived.

What if the thermite was carried by two swallows?


African or European swallows?
 
2009-04-06 04:23:45 PM  
You know what this means? Bush will never give up his power now. He will postpone the election and become president for life!

Wait...what? Really?
 
2009-04-06 04:23:53 PM  
Total progressive collapse
Analysis of video footage capturing the initial collapse and analysis of seismic data from Palisades, New York shows that the first fragments of the outer walls of the collapsed north tower struck the ground 9 seconds after the collapse started, and parts of the south tower after 11 seconds. The lower portions of both buildings cores (60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) remained standing for up to 25 seconds after the start of the initial collapse before they too collapsed. These times are approximate because dust obscured the view.[12][57]

An early analysis explains that the kinetic energy of the upper portion of the building falling onto the story below exceeded by an order of magnitude the amount of energy that the lower story could absorb,[28] crushing it and adding to the kinetic energy. This scenario repeated with each successive story, crushing the entire tower at near free-fall speed.[



Link (new window)
 
2009-04-06 04:24:12 PM  

Ender's: Radioactive Ass: alfredromeo: but there are a lot of unanswered questions about the incident.

Such as?...

the Iraq


lol. This is why I love Fark.
 
2009-04-06 04:24:44 PM  
I thought that the silver-colored cladding that surrounded the buildings was itself aluminum. If that's the case, then wouldn't it be even less odd to find pulverized metals in the dust?
 
2009-04-06 04:24:54 PM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: pwhp_67: DjangoStonereaver: I will bet his car has magnets along the fuel lines to realign
the gas molecules, too, for more complete combustion.


Yeah, but that actually works. I also have magnets on the water line for my pool...

Yeah, but do you have a pair of these bad boys?

Ionx Therapy Bracelets


I got a deal on them, along with my Vortex intake swirlers! I get 58 mpg in my truck now, and my bio-energy has never flowed so well!
 
2009-04-06 04:25:21 PM  
Finally the evidence we need to bring down the nWo!
 
2009-04-06 04:25:22 PM  
ultraholland
I was gonna stay out of this thread until I saw that. I can't stop laughing
 
2009-04-06 04:25:36 PM  
This thread brought to you by:

images.mylot.com

/hot like the Bilderbergers
 
2009-04-06 04:25:41 PM  

Fact Man: 40below: FACTFACTFACTFACTFACT

omg you're serious.


I thought for sure the "missiles" pic proved he wasn't serious. But his follow-through is impressive. If he's a troll, he's pure win.
 
2009-04-06 04:25:47 PM  

TheIndependent: Unless Bush himself was crawling through the towers laying the super-gamma-thermite along all the structural supports and key joints, someone who was there would have talked by now. Seriously.



Zero the scales for a moment...

The 9/11 conspiracy theorists are merely reacting to their distrust of government. They automatically assume that everything the government does is bad.

One the other side of the beam:

The rational scoffers assume that the government is generally benevolent and aside from a rare instance of malfeasance, our government is 100% trustworthy.

That's the real difference between these two groups.

The founding fathers would side with the first group.

Let's examine a practical demonstration of how a conspiracy could remain hidden for a long period of time:

Unless you agree with the magic bullet theory from JFK's assassination, you must agree that there were quite a few people involved in that operation. Six or seven, at least.

The magic bullet theory is still the definitive answer, even though it makes no sense, has been proven to be impossible, and there are better explanations backed by some limited hard evidence and a ton of circumstantial evidence.

If WTC-7 *was* an arson job, then only one or two assets would be required to set it up, and it's very likely that nobody will ever hear about it.

Motive: money (insurance/short selling/no-bid contracts) and power
Opportunity: unlimited

Lots of people have ridden sparky with less evidence against them.

The conspiracy folks need to STFU, or uncover hard evidence.

The scoffers need to STFU and pray the conspiracy nuts are as wrong as they are believed to be.
 
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