senseiturtle: Congrats, the media itself has successfully TROLL'D the nation.

The dude was involved in a domestic disturbance/violence situation, where the cops were called. Unfortunately, cops got shot, guy got shot. Media shows up, and one thing they focus on -> Tying this one nutbag to national policy.

Way to push an agenda! Make all gun owners who fear Obama's radical policy look bad... it's as if they're straw-manning the entire national debate.

Just another attack on journalistic integrity, as well as another example by which the media owns you.

True, but if the AG jumps on this as justification for outlawing lots of guns, the end is the same.

JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: Ummm... that is pretty close to the way the law is in Florida, besides the mandatory life sentence... it is 25-life.

Well that is also fringe and insane in itself, but I'm pretty sure mandatory life without parole for something like that would be unconstitutional.

Squidgilum: Illegal murder is an unenforceable law. It's also nothing but legislated morality

Why are you making a fool of yourself by mocking arguments for decriminalizing a harmless activity by comparing it to murder?

/did not read the whole thread

archichris: Felt like I had just been told being black wasn't a crime anymore.

Since when?

Somehow, some way, we can blame video games for this...

dahmers love zombie: Wow. I almost responded until I saw who it was. Gotta favorite you or something.

/and yes, mandatory LWOP for shooting someone while committing ANY felony. Not just the felonies that brown people commit, Sparky.

Ok, now I'm positive you're a nut. Paranoid, hostile, uncompromising, and completely irrational.

archichris: I do try to imagine little angry zombie faces on them......

I bet zombie paper targets would be a profitable business... you could get licenses for famous movie zombies... goldmine I tells ya.

Molavian: Guns don't kill people. Feel-good liberal policies

Yes, it's the environmental laws that killed those 3 cops.

/stupid

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: Ummm... that is pretty close to the way the law is in Florida, besides the mandatory life sentence... it is 25-life.

Well that is also fringe and insane in itself, but I'm pretty sure mandatory life without parole for something like that would be unconstitutional.

25 to life for shooting someone during the commission of a felony seems fair. If the judge wants to they can give them life, but if they are young they can still taste freedom again with 25.

10 20 life as a federal law would stop more gun crimes than any gun ban would.

All this talk about how best to control and limit guns is at best worthless, since criminals don't follow the laws anyway. All you're doing is making it so that law abiding citizens have a harder time defending themselves.

When you realize that criminals don't care about gun laws (in fact, they love restricting law abiding citizens to make their lives easier), any talk about gun laws is immediately translated into making sure lawful people are disarmed. When you talk waiting periods, you're saying "I want you to wait X number of days before you can defend yourself." When you talk about getting permits, you're saying "I want you to ask government permission to defend yourself." And when you talk "assault weapons", you're saying that the number of cosmetic features of the weapon are more important than the actual functioning of the weapon (which is silly if you actually take the time to think about it).

And that's why people get irritated whenever government tries to make these laws stricter. They preach "government protecting the innocent", but in reality it's "government restricting the innocent victims".

As far as this guy goes, he's a nutjob.

I have been paying attention, but I can't see what the cause of all this hysteria is.

What exactly has Obama said that makes people so certain he is going to ban guns?

mrmyxolodian: drunk nfl players w/ cars and alcohol do a little harm, BAN the NFL, BAN Cars and BAN alcohol

The problem with your argument is all three of those things can be used for nonviolent activities. Guns can't.

Huh that's funny. Went to the range today for fun/target practice and didn't see anyone hurt. Must be something wrong with my eyes.

/the targets disagree, of course

dahmers love zombie: Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: Ummm... that is pretty close to the way the law is in Florida, besides the mandatory life sentence... it is 25-life.

Well that is also fringe and insane in itself, but I'm pretty sure mandatory life without parole for something like that would be unconstitutional.

Wrong again. Florida law goes like this:
Carry a gun while committing a felony: 10 years
Fire that gun: 20 years
Shoot someone: 25 years to Life.

Source (new window)

What do you mean, "wrong"? That's exactly what each of us was referring to, the last one. I looked up the law before I replied to him to make sure he had it right, and he did.

F42: archichris: I do try to imagine little angry zombie faces on them......

I bet zombie paper targets would be a profitable business... you could get licenses for famous movie zombies... goldmine I tells ya.

Michael Jackson?

dahmers love zombie: John Buck 41: dahmers love zombie: Pechorin: The_Sponge: Rozinante: The_Sponge: Rozinante: And to think Canada is talking about relaxing gun control.


Come on...you're afraid of that?

Afraid? I'm delighted.


Whoops...my mistake. From quickly reading your post, I thought you were in the pro-gun control crowd.

/Sorry about that.

Why must you label people "pro-gun control" and "anti-gun control?" Does it have to be one way or the other? I think everyone believes in some restrictions on guns. Can you think of any restrictions on guns that you think are reasonable?

Oh, me me me! I can, Mr Kotter!

I think that if you have ANY felony convictions, pending felony cases, midemeanor convictions dealing with violence, pending domestic violence cases regardless of level, restraining orders, or history of involuntary committments for mental illness or substance abuse, you shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.

Should the spouse of a convicted felon (non-violent crime) be allowed to keep his/her firearms in their home?

Great question. Don't know. Honestly. I know it's a logical fallacy and all to answer a question with another one, but should it be illegal for the spouse of someone who is a paranoid schizophrenic be able to keep a firearm in the same house? Or someone who is the spouse of a person who was once hospitalized for an offense committed while insane? Granted, the idea that I was riffing on was incomplete (anyone claiming to have THE truth on Fark is...well...incorrect), but there you are.

I guess the answer I have to go with is "no, they can't". They can live elsewhere and own a gun, but not if they share living space with an excluded person.

G. Gordon Liddy is a felon. His wife is a gun owner.

/legal

archichris: jst3p: archichris: Felt like I had just been told being black wasn't a crime anymore.

Since when?

Its a sense of liberation thing.

I could have easily made a comparison to being gay and in the closet one minute then in the midst of the sexual revolution the next....

But Im not black or gay, and I've never had deep discussions with gay friends about that.....So I will stick with the impressions of my black friends.

I know, I was making a joke.

dahmers love zombie: Great question. Don't know. Honestly. I know it's a logical fallacy and all to answer a question with another one, but should it be illegal for the spouse of someone who is a paranoid schizophrenic be able to keep a firearm in the same house? Or someone who is the spouse of a person who was once hospitalized for an offense committed while insane? Granted, the idea that I was riffing on was incomplete (anyone claiming to have THE truth on Fark is...well...incorrect), but there you are.

I guess the answer I have to go with is "no, they can't". They can live elsewhere and own a gun, but not if they share living space with an excluded person.

Reckless endangerment could possibly apply. Just like it isn't illegal to have a firearm in a home with children, but society expects you to not be a moron and leave it beside the playpen. If you do (and unfortunately it's usually found out when someone gets hurt or killed), existing laws still apply.

archichris: I wonder if there are full size silhouette zombie targets?

Lots of them on ebay...

archichris: Bunnyhat
I would suggest that even if you are not firing at people, the act in it's self is still extremely violent. Firearms are made for one purpose, and one purpose only; To shoot things. If you can't see how that inherently makes it a violent object, no matter what you may be doing with it, you are seeing it through rose colored glasses.

You know a dishwasher is in and of itself a very violent object. It bombards is prey with high powered streams of water heated to dangerous levels and full of abrasive caustic material..... Then it heats the prey to over 150 degrees, cooking it alive.....Sheer Evil.

Gosh, wait 'till they find out about the lawn mower. 2-stroke engine fires faster than an M-2, with more power than a stick of dynamite in every blast. Then you throw in the whirling blades and it's a party!

flup: I have been paying attention, but I can't see what the cause of all this hysteria is.

What exactly has Obama said that makes people so certain he is going to ban guns?

Your comment is dumb on two levels. First is the fact that there has been plenty of anti-gun rhetoric coming from this administration. Second is this retarded strawman that we gun owners think he is going to round up every gun in the country. Please just go away and come back when you've learned something worth contributing.

StoneColdAtheist: senseiturtle: Congrats, the media itself has successfully TROLL'D the nation.

The dude was involved in a domestic disturbance/violence situation, where the cops were called. Unfortunately, cops got shot, guy got shot. Media shows up, and one thing they focus on -> Tying this one nutbag to national policy.

Way to push an agenda! Make all gun owners who fear Obama's radical policy look bad... it's as if they're straw-manning the entire national debate.

Just another attack on journalistic integrity, as well as another example by which the media owns you.

True, but if the AG jumps on this as justification for outlawing lots of guns, the end is the same.
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I predict this is exactly what will happen. These events, as tragic as they are, happen everyday - or if not everyday, at least once per week. This does not make them "normal" or "acceptable" by any means, but the point is... if the powers that be can take a single unfortunate event, tie it to national policy, and sensationalize it... then it is directly involved in the shaping of public opinion.

So much for journalistic integrity.

dahmers love zombie: Florida law goes like this:
Carry a gun while committing a felony: 10 years
Fire that gun: 20 years
Shoot someone: 25 years to Life.

Source (new window)

Yes, but those cops were on his property... isn't it ok to shoot someone when you're on your property in Florida? Or does that not apply to cops?

/doh, make that his mom's property

flup: I have been paying attention, but I can't see what the cause of all this hysteria is.

What exactly has Obama said that makes people so certain he is going to ban guns?

Biden was one of the authors of the first assault weapon ban. Obama promised to renew it throughout his campaign and has continued these promises since taking office. His attorney general has stated that it was going to happen. So has Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi....

It is going to happen, it is just a matter of when they get around to it, or when they have a good tragedy to exploit.

JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: 10 20 life as a federal law would stop more gun crimes than any gun ban would.

Yes, because the draconian 3 strikes law has been so effective in California. It's not like their prisons are overflowing with inmates to the point of 8th Amendment violation and the law is bankrupting the state, or anything like that.

Besides, the person committing armed bank robbery doesn't give a flying fark about some hypothetical sentencing statute down the line. These are not rational people who keep up to date on the law and weigh their decisions against it. They are lawless lunatics who have gotten themselves in dire straights.

Sgt Otter: what_now: Sgt Otter:

One of the guys in my old unit spent three years "on the trail" as an Army Drill Sergeant at Fort Knox, Kentucky, training new Cavalry Scouts.

Normally, something like this would just be a "smoke session," where you'd get taken out behind the Dining Facility and PTed until you puked. Front-Back-Gos* was his weapon of choice.

*You yell "Front" the recruit has to do push-ups, "Back" he gets on his back and does flutter kicks. "Go" is run in place. I've seen it used where there's only a few seconds in between commands. The actual exercises aren't bad, it's the getting up and getting back down that sucks.

The Pit makes it all worth it. Coughing up black dust after a good front back go marathon is cathartic. I wish I was friends with my drills at Knox: they were raging alcoholics with amazing senses of humor.

Anyone with mental instability issues should not be allowed to own a gun. Ironically most of the freepers wetting themselves because they think Obama is going to take away their guns would fall under the mentally unstable category.

USP .45: we gun owners think he is going to round up every gun in the country.

Just wait till they come for the baseball bats.

Gah, "front/back/go" brings up memories of doing those in a parking lot in six inches of water during one of Ft. Leonard Wood's torrential summer downpours...

dahmers love zombie: Kiss kiss, kettle.

Whatever, it's pathetic that you refuse to respond to any of the numerous absurdities that I pointed out would result from your proposed legal scheme simply because you dislike me as a person or disagree with me on God knows what random issue. If you want to take the juvenile "la la la not listening to you" way out of a reasoned debate, go ahead, it's just a poor reflection upon yourself.

Love how everyone is calling this guy a coward for wearing body armor and lkying in wait to kill cops. What? Are you farking retarded? If your plan is to go out to kill cops, remembering to put on body armor first isn't cowardice, it's proof of planning and premeditation.
One of his military buddies is proud of him, just a little, for taking out so many cops all by his onesies. You know who you are. Besides, the whole fearless thing in the military is a bunch of horseshiat as anyone who has actually served will tell you.
Fearlessness gets other people killed. You want a bunch of fearless soldiers? Form a platoon of retarded 16 year olds on meth - we can call them Palin's Power Rangers. Fearlessness doesn't win wars - preparation and training do that.
What scares me most about this is that I haven't heard anything about a manifesto or a suicide note, which means this guy had an expectation, reasonable or otherwise, that he would not only survive the encounter, but have time to blog about it afterwards.
Well, I get that will teach Obama to try to take THIS retard's guns away!

flup: I have been paying attention, but I can't see what the cause of all this hysteria is.

What exactly has Obama said that makes people so certain he is going to ban guns?

Before his election nearly everything out of his mouth. Since his election, his appointment of Holder and Clinton, and allowing them to lead a public campaign of lies against firearm ownership (the whole 90% Mexico thing).