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2009-04-03 10:58:13 AM  
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2009-04-03 11:23:21 AM  
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2009-04-03 11:38:34 AM  
Orton had the support of the team and player base with his character that he demonstrated last season, whereas Cutler's antics make him seem like a whiny biatch. Why the Bears did this is beyond me, I would have thought they would be a franchise that could look beyond numbers.
 
2009-04-03 11:41:29 AM  
Dre in the East: Orton had the support of the team and player base with his character that he demonstrated last season, whereas Cutler's antics make him seem like a whiny biatch. Why the Bears did this is beyond me, I would have thought they would be a franchise that could look beyond numbers.

So have you seen the level of QB that the Bears have been drafting? At least now they know they have a QB that can play and they can build the offense around him. The price was certainly steep but it proves that they didn't think that Orton was going to take them where they wanted.

If Denver builds a championship team from this trade it'll be one thing but at least the Bears are showing that they're serious about getting an offense again.
 
2009-04-03 11:44:49 AM  
The morning after, this looks like a good trade for both teams. If anything, the Bears took the bigger gamble. they got a potentially great QB which is something they've never had. Denver needed rebuilding anyway (on the defensive side) and had issues with the QB. They now have 4 draft picks, 2 potential QB starters and can focus on the future, after making a clean break from the failed Shanny experiment.
 
2009-04-03 11:48:03 AM  
Because they had shiatty QBs?

/obvious...
 
2009-04-03 11:49:09 AM  
The Bears have Rex Grossman. They don't need anybody else.
 
2009-04-03 11:50:14 AM  
I said this in the thread yesterday, but I love this trade for both teams. Yeah, Cutler handled the situation poorly, but the Bears get an extremely talented QB who has proven he can play* and has not yet reached his peak. The Broncos elimintate an awkward situation and get 2 big draft picks, plus a QB who is at least a stopgap.

I think they're both winners here.

*Not Cutler's fault the Broncos defense sucked. I know some people here will vehemently disagree and say it was his fault. Whatever.
 
2009-04-03 11:52:26 AM  
I Said: The Bears have Rex Grossman. They don't need anybody else.

Before someone goes apeshiat and calls you a moran -- he's technically an unsigned free agent right now who expresses his desire to return to the Bears, and the Bears express the desire to sign him. =/

But he's not part of the payroll at this particular moment in time, so be prepared for some idiot to come in here and stomp on you about that.

/Grossman will be the starter by the end of 2009
 
2009-04-03 11:53:40 AM  
At least the two articles weren't written by the same guy with some sort of split personality thing.
 
2009-04-03 11:57:16 AM  
Seems to me it would have been smarter to shore up an injured and aging defense that was responsible for losing more games than the offense last year.

But we'll see. Looks like Lovie is doubling-down with Marinelli and this trade. Gonna be a huge payoff or big bust.
 
2009-04-03 11:58:14 AM  
BKITU: Before someone goes apeshiat and calls you a moran -- he's technically an unsigned free agent right now who expresses his desire to return to the Bears, and the Bears express the desire to sign him. =/

But he's not part of the payroll at this particular moment in time, so be prepared for some idiot to come in here and stomp on you about that.

/Grossman will be the starter by the end of 2009


Grossman will never be the starter again. This year he was booed the instant he stepped on the field. Not to mention still bad at playing quarterback.
 
MFL
2009-04-03 12:10:26 PM  
Considering the 1st round picks the bears have made over the last 5 years or so I'd say it was a great move.
 
2009-04-03 12:16:40 PM  
MFL: Considering the 1st round picks the bears have made over the last 5 years or so I'd say it was a great move.


I'd agree. They're probably better off wihtout them.

2008 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt 14
2007 Greg Olsen TE Miami 31
2006 No Pick -- -- --
2005 Cedric Benson RB Texas 4
2004 Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma 14
2003 Michael Haynes DE Penn State 14
Rex Grossman QB Florida 22
2002 Marc Colombo OT Boston College 29
2001 David Terrell WR Michigan 8
2000 Brian Urlacher LB New Mexico 9
1999 Cade McNown QB UCLA 12
1998 Curtis Enis RB Penn State 5
1997 No Pick -- -- --
1996 Walt Harris DB Mississippi State 13
1995 Rashaan Salaam RB Colorado 21
1994 John Thierry DE Alcorn State 11
1993 Curtis Conway WR Southern California 7
1992 Alonzo Spellman DE Ohio State 22
1991 Stan Thomas OT Texas 22
1990 Mark Carrier S Southern California 6
 
2009-04-03 12:27:53 PM  
spacechicken170am:

I'd agree. They're probably better off wihtout them.

2008 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt 14
2007 Greg Olsen TE Miami 31
2006 No Pick -- -- --
2005 Cedric Benson RB Texas 4
2004 Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma 14
2003 Michael Haynes DE Penn State 14
Rex Grossman QB Florida 22
2002 Marc Colombo OT Boston College 29
2001 David Terrell WR Michigan 8
2000 Brian Urlacher LB New Mexico 9
1999 Cade McNown QB UCLA 12
1998 Curtis Enis RB Penn State 5
1997 No Pick -- -- --
1996 Walt Harris DB Mississippi State 13
1995 Rashaan Salaam RB Colorado 21
1994 John Thierry DE Alcorn State 11
1993 Curtis Conway WR Southern California 7
1992 Alonzo Spellman DE Ohio State 22
1991 Stan Thomas OT Texas 22
1990 Mark Carrier S Southern California 6


Wow, that is a tremendous pile of suck.
 
2009-04-03 12:28:54 PM  
Denver Broncos fans are an interesting bunch. When you live here(assuming you aren't a fan of another AFC West team) you tend to feed of the fans excitement and like the Broncos too. And I'll be honest, looking from the outside, most of the fans look like assholes. But in the fans defense they love their local sports and music. Everything gets sold out around here.

The fans around here, in general, remain extremely loyal as long as they feels players are loyal in turn(Everyone can still see the love for Elway). But people started getting vicious when Cutler wasn't treating the Broncos organization with much respect. The attitude around here now is anger. The Bears, with Cutler at the helm, will be an interesting game to attend.
 
2009-04-03 12:38:02 PM  
Because the Bill had already signed T.O. and no other whiny biatch of Cutler's stature was available.
 
MFL
2009-04-03 12:44:12 PM  
RockyMtnMan The fans around here, in general, remain extremely loyal as long as they feels players are loyal in turn(Everyone can still see the love for Elway). But people started getting vicious when Cutler wasn't treating the Broncos organization with much respect. The attitude around here now is anger. The Bears, with Cutler at the helm, will be an interesting game to attend.

I think the bears are going to be tough next year since they added a new dimension (the forward pass) to their offense.
 
2009-04-03 01:56:48 PM  
spacechicken170am: MFL: Considering the 1st round picks the bears have made over the last 5 years or so I'd say it was a great move.


I'd agree. They're probably better off wihtout them.

2008 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt 14
2007 Greg Olsen TE Miami 31
2006 No Pick -- -- --
2005 Cedric Benson RB Texas 4
2004 Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma 14
2003 Michael Haynes DE Penn State 14
Rex Grossman QB Florida 22
2002 Marc Colombo OT Boston College 29
2001 David Terrell WR Michigan 8
2000 Brian Urlacher LB New Mexico 9
1999 Cade McNown QB UCLA 12
1998 Curtis Enis RB Penn State 5
1997 No Pick -- -- --
1996 Walt Harris DB Mississippi State 13
1995 Rashaan Salaam RB Colorado 21
1994 John Thierry DE Alcorn State 11
1993 Curtis Conway WR Southern California 7
1992 Alonzo Spellman DE Ohio State 22
1991 Stan Thomas OT Texas 22
1990 Mark Carrier S Southern California 6


I'd take Urlacher.
 
2009-04-03 02:28:31 PM  
Orton may have had the respect of his team and a decent head on his shoulders....but that's all he had. He doesn't have a lot of talent. Weak arm. Can't complete a pass in the air for more than 30 yards to save his life. Not an accurate passer either.

Have fun with that Denver....
 
2009-04-03 02:37:22 PM  
recoil47: Orton may have had the respect of his team and a decent head on his shoulders and a neckbeard....but that's all he had. He doesn't have a lot of talent. Weak arm. Can't complete a pass in the air for more than 30 yards to save his life. Not an accurate passer either.

Have fun with that Denver....


FTFY. How dare you.
 
2009-04-03 02:50:29 PM  
Just when I think I couldnt dislike Cutler ant more out comes this tidbit:

Cutler said he was "tremendously excited," about joining the team he grew up rooting for in Santa Claus, Ind. His idol was Jim Harbaugh, and Cutler possesses some of his fiery characteristics.

Pardon me Im going to be ill
 
2009-04-03 03:06:41 PM  
wow, i didn't realize how bad they are at drafting. pre-cutler, the Bears did not have the most dire QB situation in the league and they probably gave up too much. But, good NFL quarterbacks are rare and valuable. Cutler has to play better and he has no brandon marshall to throw to.
 
2009-04-03 05:16:52 PM  
spacechicken170am: 2006 No Pick -- -- --

I see their plan! "Last time we didn't have a first rounder, we made the Super Bowl! Let's give 'em up EVERY year!"
 
2009-04-03 11:05:04 PM  
Cutler really fits Ron Turners offense. He likes the big arm QBs who can hit the receivers downfield. Cutler improves multiple positions by being at the helm. The play book will be opened like it never has been before.

The Devin Hester to WR project looked like a waste until now. Anyone who watched the games knows Hester was getting open and beating DBs down field all season. But Orton was under/overthrowing him. Cutler gives Hester the opportunity to play to his strengths and be that down field threat that he was brought in the offense for.

Matt Forte struggled a lot of the time last season because defenses keyed in on him, forcing Orton to beat him. At first Orton took advantage of it but when teams figured out that Orton cant hit receivers downfield, they took away the short routes and thats where the offense ultimately stumbled. If you add Cutler who can hit Hester, Bennett or Olsen downfield then you cant continually stack the box against Forte and with the new fat blockers we have, he will get more yards on less carries. His career has now been extended.

Earl Bennett, now that he will see the field he will probably become Cutlers favorite target. He was his go to guy at Vandy and he always looked for him first. I expect their past chemistry to come alive and i see Cutler getting Bennett heavily involved. More then Orton would have.

Greg Olsen is Greg Olsen and nothing needs to be said. Hes a beast of a TE and he needed a big armed QB to help him get to the pro bowl because he has the talent. Also look out for Kellen Davis to get some snaps on goal line situations. This guy is a serious talent for the future. If only he could block.

The defense. Like i mentioned in another thread, Cutler combined with some of the other offensive talents listed above will result in more running room, more first downs, which results in more clock being run out, which ultimately means that the defense will be more rested. Urlacher, Harris, Ogunleye and Brown are past that stage where they can play a majority of the game and still be productive. In 07, despite being a bad defense, they led the league in 3&outs and they were up there last season until they kept going back on the field. If they can come close to being like that then we're set. Not to mention that they were 2nd in the league in take aways and 3rd in INTs. OLB, FS and DE can all be taken care of in the draft.

Now what happens if Hester gets back to being dominant on STs? Do teams do what they did back in the day and force our QBs to beat them? Or do they take their chances and let him run it? Manning led the league in kick return yard average and he can surely be in a situation like that as well.

With all of that being said i honestly do think that Cutlers #s will drop and Ortons will rise because of the surrounding talent and systems. But I also think that Cutler will be more efficient. Higher comp%, more TDs, less INT, higher QB rating but lower yards. Like maybe 600 yards lower.

Like ive mentioned before, Chicago has stayed competitive for years with 1st round busts over the years and some of those picks were wasted on QBs. This is one position that they wont have to worry about for 10 years and actually gives the Bears an opportunity to build an offense around a QB and give the WRs consistency with whos throwing them the ball. Chicago has been known for busting early and then drafting for depth later on. All they have to do is find a couple impact players with the 8 picks they have this season. People say they screwed themselves long term but i disagree.

One last note that I have yet to see mentioned anywhere or maybe ive been spending too much time giving my own .02 to listen. Having Jay Cutler makes the Bears a more appealing team to future FAs. Why did TJH choose Seattle over Minny? The QB. If this trade works out the way the Bears think it will and Cutlers extended, i can see many top tier FAs or veterans who can still contribute wanting to come to Chicago.

Wow i really ramble when the Bears are mentioned around here.
/I want a Cutler jersey
 
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