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aquaticphoenix		2009-04-03 11:35:43 AM

tricycleracer: Theaetetus

[Hot Liberty-on-Justice action]

Am I weird for getting turned on by that?

No, because you're not alone in your reaction.

/ blindfolds are kinky!

brigid_fitch		2009-04-03 11:35:49 AM

hetheeme: The Libertarian in me is torn, I'm all for just letting people do what they want, but that same libertarian in me makes me shudder at the way this is done.

If it is a matter of privacy and fundamental rights then why do we let the government have ANY control over it AT ALL.

Here's how I understand how it was done in Iowa. Everyone, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong:

A lower-court judge approved a ban on gay marriage
A district court judge overturned the ban, saying it violated the state's Constitution
The group who originally wrote the bill & got it passed appealed the district court judge
IA State Supreme Court upheld the district court's ruling.

I don't have to be a Libertarian to agree with you on the issue of government getting involved in personal lives. But your ire should be directed at the person or persons that initially let this ban go through. The State Supreme Court basically fixed a mess created by whomever initially ruled on the ban.

I'm a Democrat, and it could be argued that my party sometimes gets involved in personal decisions that it shouldn't. But I see far more intrusion from the Conservative right than anywhere else. Personally, I just wish both sides would stay the hell out of people's personal lives.

Juniper Jupiter		2009-04-03 11:36:03 AM

Woot!

Now if Kansas followed the lead...and get a certain clan driven out of here...

/If I don't mention their name, they don't get the attention...

Fact Man		2009-04-03 11:36:09 AM

vernonFL: Want to protect traditional marriage?

Outlaw divorce.

No, then people would actually have to think before getting married! And they might even wait longer to mature enough to properly make such a lifelong commitment decision isntead of rushing into it because they're so excited about having pretty rings and a lavish ceremony! It would almost end marriages of "high school sweethearts" altogether! We can't have that!

FlashHarry		2009-04-03 11:36:37 AM

SlothB77: iowa has been a blue state for at least the last two potus elections.

it went blue last time but i believe it tipped red in '04. it's a battleground state.

abnormalia		2009-04-03 11:36:38 AM

Woohoo!

UIowa celebration time.

Donald_McRonald		2009-04-03 11:36:40 AM

Fact Man: Donald_McRonald: Fact Man: Donald_McRonald:
people sometimes use exaggerated representations of things for the purposes of mockery.

Most of the times I see it, the people posting it don't seem to think it's fake.

Give me one example. Just one.

Sorry, I don't save them and file them in a "people who think this picture is real" folder.

It's just that people who post it usually post that with a "Look, if these rednecks are allowed to get married, what's so bad about gays getting married? I mean, look how redneck they are!" point.

Have at it. All I'm looking is one concrete example of someone demonstrating that they think it's a real picture.

Crocodilly_Pontifex		2009-04-03 11:36:56 AM

cowsspinach: But then again I believe majority of Oklahomans are more racist to Blacks than to Gays.

But there is one good thing about Oklahoma...less traffic.

in my experience, those that hate in Oklahoma are, ironically, very equal-opportunity regarding the matter.

as for the traffic claim... says you. Oklahoma has 3 of the largest highways in the nation intersecting within 10 sq miles, in okc.

/ I-40, major east-west, I-35, Major North-south, I-44, Major NE-SW.

cowsspinach		2009-04-03 11:37:07 AM

Fact Man: cowsspinach:
I couldn't believe how these young people were afraid of a Black man but whenever I brought it up they would say "but he's a muslimmuslin"

FTFY

Sank you, sank you very much!

charity		2009-04-03 11:37:10 AM

I would just like to add my own, WHOOOOO HOOO, Way to go, IOWA!!!

Theaetetus		2009-04-03 11:37:15 AM

Text of the Decision
/pops like it's hot
//it's 69 pages, teehee!

candiru.fish		2009-04-03 11:37:41 AM

Jster422: candiru.fish 2009-04-03 11:07:34 AM
YAY for judges who understand freedom and further the advance of equality!

Everyone should get to marry who they ~~love~~ are willing to enter into a legal and contractual relationship, governing taxation, ownership, and inheritance with, period.

The GLBT folks should have EXACTLY the same rights as us breeders do when we choose to marry. Not equal rights, the SAME rights.

Adjusted that a little. Government has no business caring about 'Love'.

I accept your edit and your commentary as an improvement on my initial post. You are a gentleman and scholar.

/now STFU and GBTW.
//BTW, tonight is my bachelor party
///I get married the 19th, I expect gifts

AzDownboy		2009-04-03 11:38:08 AM

Oh we got trouble
Right here in River City
That's "trouble" with a capital T
And that rhymes with G
And that stands for "Gay Marriage"

studebaker hoch		2009-04-03 11:38:08 AM

That's great news!

/but how totally embarassing for California.

Fact Man		2009-04-03 11:38:11 AM

Juniper Jupiter: Woot!

Now if Kansas followed the lead...and get a certain clan driven out of here...

/If I don't mention their name, they don't get the attention...

We have them here in Missour, too, man. I feel your pain.

www.ninjacultureclassic.com

FlashHarry		2009-04-03 11:38:25 AM

Hugh2d2: Kansas... making Iowa look progressive since 2009.

2009? try 1979.

TypoFlyspray		2009-04-03 11:38:28 AM

dj_bigbird: They're good, fine people,
Stuart. But they don't know ... what the queers are doing
to the soil!

/got nothin

Look at the soil around any major American city with a large, underground homosexual poputlation. DesMoines Iowa! Perfect Example. Look at the soil around DesMoines. You can't build on it. You can't grow anything in it. The Government says it's due to poor farming, but I know it's the Queers! They're in it with the aliens. They're building Landing Strips for GAY MARTIANS! I Swear to God!

/ Gonna go kick back a cool Coors 16 ozer now.

captain_heroic44		2009-04-03 11:39:07 AM

jst3p: incest_dungeon_dad: jst3p: captain_heroic44: jst3p: captain_heroic44: To America's conservative enemies: this is not your country anymore. Love the new America, or STFU, and GTFO.

w00t!!!

Actually it is. The nation belongs to all of us, them as much as you. Those that consider others with differing points of view as "enemies" are the problem. That goes for both sides of the aisle.

Payback is hell. For all my life, I've been considered an "enemy" because I've loyally advocated a different point of view.

And now you are on par with them, congrats.

Now the right is openly advocating treason, and assholes like you are drawing a false equivalency between people like me calling conservatives "traitors" and the right calling the left "traitors." fark you very much.

Except this isn't why you were calling them out. It has nothing to so with this thread and you made no mention of it in your previous post. You are moving the goal posts to seem less like an asshole. It isn't working.

I don't know. I'm sort of going to have to agree with the Captain on this one. The right's tradtional modus operandi is to accuse the left of disloyalty, just for disagreeing with conservative policy choices.

But now that the left is in power, the right is actually talking about rebellion and secession, which is actual disloyalty. It really does make the right traitors.

So for him to refer to "America's conservative enemies" is accurate, and it doesn't really put him on par with conservatives. Because there really is a substantial movement of conservatives who are America's enemies. By contrast, in recent history, there hasn't been a substantial movement of progressives who are America's enemies.

The bottom line is that it's a false equivalency to say that when the Captain says that conservatives are America's enemies he's the same as a conservative who says that progressives are America's enemies. Because the left has not in recent history openly advocated rebellion.

Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Stop drawing false equivalencies. Conservatives really are worse than progressives. It's just a fact. It's bad when conservatives openly advocate treason. It's not bad when a progressive calls them out on it.

I guess the problem comes from lumping them all in together. I know some conservatives whom I disagree on when it comes to some major issues (this one included) but they aren't in the fringe group calling for treason. If the thread were about calling for treason then I could let it slide, but I would be willing to bet that the majority of the folks who oppose gay marriage don't advocate treason. It is a big nation, and we aren't all going to agree. Sometimes we have to compromise.

I am in the middle and lean a little left but I am just so sick of both sides thinking that someday they will get everything they believe, and anyone who disagrees is an enemy. It is pretty sickening.

Are you sure?

I shoot. I go to the range, I don't tell anyone my politics, and I just listen. Guys who seem normal routinely talk about "going to Washington (with their guns) and cleaning house."

Maybe you just aren't listening close enough.

Stop drawing false equivalencies. At a time when major conservative media outlets and even members of Congress are openly calling for armed rebellion, it shouldn't be politically incorrect to call a spade a spade. America's conservative enemies should be called out for what they are.

Free Range Fetus Farmer		2009-04-03 11:39:40 AM

"As Iowa goes, so goes the nation." Is retarded, Iowa doesn't have the right demographics.

Wisconsin would be better, it has a better urban/rural ratio. It also has more people who are not white.

That said, gays can't marry in Wisconsin, despite the "OMG TEH LIBRUL MADISON IS CONTROLLING THE STATE."

Maybe the demographics have shifted enough in Iowa, or urban/rural isn't the political deciding factor that it once was.

/part time Iowan/Wisconsinite

xalres		2009-04-03 11:40:14 AM

Fact Man: Juniper Jupiter: Woot!

Now if Kansas followed the lead...and get a certain clan driven out of here...

/If I don't mention their name, they don't get the attention...

[Foot Clan pic]

We have them here in Missour, too, man. I feel your pain.

Bravo!

Barbigazi		2009-04-03 11:40:56 AM

News Release

For Immediate Release: April 3, 2008

Senate Majority Leader Mike Gronstal: 515-281-3901

House Speaker Pat Murphy: 515-281-0817

Iowa continues to be a leader
in guaranteeing civil rights

This is a joint statement from Iowa Senate Majority Leader Mike Gronstal
and

Iowa House Speaker Pat Murphy on today's Supreme Court decision:

"Thanks to today's decision, Iowa continues to be a leader in
guaranteeing all of our citizens' equal rights.
The court has ruled today that when two Iowans promise to share their
lives together, state law will respect that commitment, regardless of
whether the couple is gay or straight.
When all is said and done, we believe the only lasting question about
today's events will be why it took us so long. It is a tough question
to answer because treating everyone fairly is really a matter of Iowa
common sense and Iowa common decency.
Today, the Iowa Supreme Court has reaffirmed those Iowa values by
ruling that gay and lesbian Iowans have all the same rights and
responsibilities of citizenship as any other Iowan.
Iowa has always been a leader in the area of civil rights.
In 1839, the Iowa Supreme Court rejected slavery in a decision that
found that a slave named Ralph became free when he stepped on Iowa soil,
26 years before the end of the Civil War decided the issue.
In 1868, the Iowa Supreme Court ruled that racially segregated
"separate but equal" schools had no place in Iowa, 85 years before the
U.S. Supreme Court reached the same decision.
In 1873, the Iowa Supreme Court ruled against racial discrimination in
public accommodations, 91 years before the U.S. Supreme Court reached
the same decision.
In 1869, Iowa became the first state in the union to admit women to the
practice of law.
In the case of recognizing loving relationships between two adults, the
Iowa Supreme Court is once again taking a leadership position on civil
rights.
Today, we congratulate the thousands of Iowans who now can express
their love for each other and have it recognized by our laws."

cowsspinach		2009-04-03 11:40:56 AM

Crocodilly_Pontifex:

in my experience, those that hate in Oklahoma are, ironically, very equal-opportunity regarding the matter.
as for the traffic claim... says you. Oklahoma has 3 of the largest highways in the nation intersecting within 10 sq miles, in okc.
/ I-40, major east-west, I-35, Major North-south, I-44, Major NE-SW.

Right but compared to LA, NYC, Dallas, Miami, Austin...Oklahoma City's traffic is not bad at all.

Huggermugger		2009-04-03 11:40:57 AM

/disapproves
//or maybe not
///hotter than his red chafing down there

rFarke		2009-04-03 11:41:03 AM

This will make cornhole more competetive...

Vangor		2009-04-03 11:41:13 AM

captain_heroic44: America's conservative enemies should be called out for what they are.

Gay? It's gay isn't it?

StreetlightInTheGhetto		2009-04-03 11:41:34 AM

TypoFlyspray: dj_bigbird: They're good, fine people,
Stuart. But they don't know ... what the queers are doing
to the soil!

/got nothin

Look at the soil around any major American city with a large, underground homosexual poputlation. DesMoines Iowa! Perfect Example. Look at the soil around DesMoines. You can't build on it. You can't grow anything in it. The Government says it's due to poor farming, but I know it's the Queers! They're in it with the aliens. They're building Landing Strips for GAY MARTIANS! I Swear to God!

/ Gonna go kick back a cool Coors 16 ozer now.

You know what, Stewart, I like you.

You're not like the other people, here, in the trailer park.

lukelightning		2009-04-03 11:41:45 AM

What's next? People marrying manatees?

I would do anything to protect a manatee. Except harm another manatee.

jpbreon		2009-04-03 11:41:53 AM

incest_dungeon_dad: jst3p: captain_heroic44: jst3p: captain_heroic44: To America's conservative enemies: this is not your country anymore. Love the new America, or STFU, and GTFO.

w00t!!!

Actually it is. The nation belongs to all of us, them as much as you. Those that consider others with differing points of view as "enemies" are the problem. That goes for both sides of the aisle.

Payback is hell. For all my life, I've been considered an "enemy" because I've loyally advocated a different point of view.

And now you are on par with them, congrats.

Now the right is openly advocating treason, and assholes like you are drawing a false equivalency between people like me calling conservatives "traitors" and the right calling the left "traitors." fark you very much.

Except this isn't why you were calling them out. It has nothing to so with this thread and you made no mention of it in your previous post. You are moving the goal posts to seem less like an asshole. It isn't working.

I don't know. I'm sort of going to have to agree with the Captain on this one. The right's tradtional modus operandi is to accuse the left of disloyalty, just for disagreeing with conservative policy choices.

But now that the left is in power, the right is actually talking about rebellion and secession, which is actual disloyalty. It really does make the right traitors.

So for him to refer to "America's conservative enemies" is accurate, and it doesn't really put him on par with conservatives. Because there really is a substantial movement of conservatives who are America's enemies. By contrast, in recent history, there hasn't been a substantial movement of progressives who are America's enemies.

The bottom line is that it's a false equivalency to say that when the Captain says that conservatives are America's enemies he's the same as a conservative who says that progressives are America's enemies. Because the left has not in recent history openly advocated rebellion.

Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Stop drawing false equivalencies. Conservatives really are worse than progressives. It's just a fact. It's bad when conservatives openly advocate treason. It's not bad when a progressive calls them out on it.

There is nothing wrong with rebellion and/or succession. In fact, if you ever bothered to read Thomas Paine's American Crisis Papers or Rights of Man you'd know that many of the so-called Founding Fathers felt that the government should be reset roughly every generation or so. It was like a healthy forest; it needed to burn down so that a new forest could grow.

We haven't had enough resets. Presidents are treated like quasi-kings and the current Congress shows so many parallels to the 1770s English Parliament it isn't even funny. Wars started to generate tax revenue? Check. Self imposed imperialistic remodeling of foreign countries? Check. Hereditary succession of political influence? Let's ask a Bush or Clinton. The elimination of political power of the poor and disenfranchised? Sorry, can;t hear you over the lobbyist cash registers ringing.

This country is long overdue to have it's government pruned.

Donald_McRonald		2009-04-03 11:42:51 AM

Huggermugger: www.littlebritaincostumes.co.uk

That's not even a real homosexual. He's obviously wearing a costume. Am I the only one to notice this?

red230		2009-04-03 11:43:18 AM

This is nothing more than Iowa trying to pull itself out of recession by stealing gay couples from other states. Think about it. Couples (mostly with no children) and two incomes. That gives them plenty of disposable income to spend to stimulate the Iowa economy. By stealing homosexuals Iowa is pushing New York and California deeper into recession just to save their own skins. This is nothing short of an economic power grab and I for one won't stand idly by as Iowans subvert the national good to line their own pockets with money from homosexuals.

tartie_pants		2009-04-03 11:43:28 AM

mofomisfit: Angry Buddha: mofomisfit: blkhwk86
And i can't in the gayest city in america.....where the hell are the Mormons in Iowa?!?!?

/bitter gay man

Come to the gayest small town in America, Provincetown would be happy to have you!

Ogunquit, Maine disagrees (from June to September anyway)

They can disagree all they want, but they know they can't touch Provincetown's fabulousness with their ten foot pole.

What about North Hampton?

Fact Man		2009-04-03 11:43:30 AM

Donald_McRonald:
Have at it. All I'm looking is one concrete example of someone demonstrating that they think it's a real picture.

Wow, you really, really care about this.

I'm not going to spend a half hour scrolling through archived threads to find examples. I don't care that much.

According to you, I just made up that complaint because I was bored, and I haven't really noticed that as I claimed. I just randomly picked that one post to create an annoyance. If that's what you think, fine.

Hosebeatings		2009-04-03 11:43:40 AM

boobsrgood: Iowa? Seriously? Isn't that one of the holes on the bible belt?

That's what I was thinking. How in Hell did Iowa of all places beat Minnesota to it? Minnesota is so far to the left Stalin calls us a bunch of bleeding-heart fairy pinkos.

CaesarSneezy		2009-04-03 11:43:51 AM

hej: There's a joke about being 'cornholed' in here somewhere, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

Not unsolicited.

The MinniIowan		2009-04-03 11:44:19 AM

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!

/that wasn't a CSI: Miami-type 'yeaaaaaaah', BTW
//feels a little prouder to be an Iowan now
///lesbian
////not the lipstick kind, nor the scary butch kind
//dance n'slash!

Derwood		2009-04-03 11:44:49 AM

The best news is that this won't be on a ballot in November. Unlike California, a simple 51% majority can't overturn this. Suck it, mormons

nosferatublue		2009-04-03 11:44:56 AM

brigid_fitch: hetheeme: The Libertarian in me is torn, I'm all for just letting people do what they want, but that same libertarian in me makes me shudder at the way this is done.

If it is a matter of privacy and fundamental rights then why do we let the government have ANY control over it AT ALL.

Here's how I understand how it was done in Iowa. Everyone, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong:

A lower-court judge approved a ban on gay marriage
A district court judge overturned the ban, saying it violated the state's Constitution
The group who originally wrote the bill & got it passed appealed the district court judge
IA State Supreme Court upheld the district court's ruling.

I don't have to be a Libertarian to agree with you on the issue of government getting involved in personal lives. But your ire should be directed at the person or persons that initially let this ban go through. The State Supreme Court basically fixed a mess created by whomever initially ruled on the ban.

I'm a Democrat, and it could be argued that my party sometimes gets involved in personal decisions that it shouldn't. But I see far more intrusion from the Conservative right than anywhere else. Personally, I just wish both sides would stay the hell out of people's personal lives.

So who do you think should have their marriage recognized by the state? Just curious.

Indie.Mouse		2009-04-03 11:45:16 AM

Alls these bible belt references and surprise that Iowa has stepped up before most other states.

You only have to go as far as looking at the caucus schedule. The reason Iowa is a state to start it off is because Iowa has for some time been a very good cross section of everything.

/Iowa has never been a bible belt state

Crocodilly_Pontifex		2009-04-03 11:45:21 AM

jpbreon: We haven't had enough resets. Presidents are treated like quasi-kings

hmm, mock king george the third, hanging

mock Bush, host the oscars.

yea, its a real monarchy.

You know, there ARE ways to fix things without starting a revolution. Thats why laws can be repealed, and ammendments can be made.

wraithmare		2009-04-03 11:45:33 AM

Go Iowa! My in-laws are probably foaming at the mouth and decrying the end of civilization. I laugh heartily and tell them to suck it up. You don't want gay marriage? Fine, don't marry someone who's gay. Telling other people what they can't do based on your narrow religious beliefs seems a bit silly. That's like telling us we can't publish a picture of Mohammed. No one but crazy religious nuts says that.

Raging Thespian		2009-04-03 11:46:26 AM

What Iowa's fantasy may look like:

i332.photobucket.com

roberthenry		2009-04-03 11:46:38 AM

was known for corn, now known for corn holing

HeartBurnKid		2009-04-03 11:46:45 AM

How big is Iowa's Mormon population? What's their referendum process look like?

They may have just set themselves up for a big, big fight.

anm_sa		2009-04-03 11:46:45 AM

Great line from the Opinion of the Court: A statute inconsistent with the Iowa Constitution must be declared
void, even though it may be supported by strong and deep-seated traditional
beliefs and popular opinion.

one0nine		2009-04-03 11:47:14 AM

hubiestubert: Good.

And this is as a Republican.

The main problem that I have with the opponents of gay marriage is that it boils down a matter of religious freedom.

Your church doesn't want to perform gay marriages, fine. Feel free to do that, and I support that fully. What a ministry does, and is supported by their congregations is fine and dandy.

But when ministries begin demanding that other ministries and folks of no denomination or faith even conform to their standards, there's a problem.

I don't see it as an issue of equal protection, but a matter of religious freedom. And religious freedom boils down to the freedom for your beliefs, or lack of, to piss other people off.

Equal protection is one way to go about this, but I think it would send a much stronger message about marriage and the rights of gay and lesbian couples to hitch it to a religious freedom angle. It would force the government to finally make a point that the basing law on the concepts of what is meet and good on purely religious grounds, as opposed to damage and real consequence is a bad idea. It would put a nail in the coffin of those who try to manipulate the government with faith as their excuse.

Don't want a gay marriage? Don't have one, but never mind what other ministries, or what the secular community is doing. It has zero impact on your faith, your own marriage, and invalidates your relationships about as much as Newt Gingrich's divorces do.

Speaking as a moderate lefty, you give me hope that there may be more decent, honorable, sensible conservatives out there. WFB would be proud of you, I think.

mofomisfit		2009-04-03 11:47:48 AM

tartie_pants
mofomisfit: Angry Buddha: mofomisfit: blkhwk86
And i can't in the gayest city in america.....where the hell are the Mormons in Iowa?!?!?

/bitter gay man

Come to the gayest small town in America, Provincetown would be happy to have you!

Ogunquit, Maine disagrees (from June to September anyway)

They can disagree all they want, but they know they can't touch Provincetown's fabulousness with their ten foot pole.

What about North Hampton?

Noho is a nice town, lots of fun shops, cool venues, and lesbians. But I mean, have you BEEN to both towns? The outright fabulousness of Provincetown in the summer isn't even challenged by Noho. All I'm saying is I haven't seen too many rollerblading, flag-waving drag queens handing out flyers for the Leather Daddy house music night in Noho.

spickus		2009-04-03 11:48:15 AM

captain_heroic44: even members of Congress are openly calling for armed rebellion

I missed that got a link? I'm genuinely curious.

it shouldn't be politically incorrect to call a spade a spade.

That's wacist! ;)

The MinniIowan		2009-04-03 11:48:16 AM

Hosebeatings: boobsrgood: Iowa? Seriously? Isn't that one of the holes on the bible belt?

That's what I was thinking. How in Hell did Iowa of all places beat Minnesota to it? Minnesota is so far to the left Stalin calls us a bunch of bleeding-heart fairy pinkos.
I'm just as amazed/shocked as ya'll are. Really...never in a million years would I think that Iowa would beat Minnesota to the punch when it came to gay marriage.

Oh well, MN. Someday...someday soon, hopefully.

vsavatar		2009-04-03 11:48:23 AM

Jormungandr: Michigan

Such a law, even assuming it wasn't contrary to the Michigan Constitution, would be unconstitutional under the federal Constitution as a violation of the fundamental right to travel.

Goodfella		2009-04-03 11:48:39 AM

Next stop: California's Prop 8. It's going to get tossed quicker than a prison salad. Why do people even care? Let them do what they want, they aren't hurting anyone. To quote the late great George Carlin:

www.kpfk.org