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(USA Today)   Unintimidated by Madonna's threatening veins, a judge rejects her application to adopt another African child   (usatoday.com) divider line 123
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2009-04-03 11:43:09 AM
This is not who we need raising children
 
2009-04-03 11:43:49 AM
dyli: notauniquesnowflake: Isn't it preferable for the grandmother to raise her than to rip her away and send her to some foreign nation to be "raised" by an ever-absent single mother?

Considering the girl's mother was 14 when she gave birth and died shortly after delivery, I don't know if the grandmother is a preferable guardian. There's also no mention of a father. That is disconcerting as well.


Just because the mother had her at 14:
#1 Doesn't mean the mother was farked-up. She could've been raped.
#2 I prefer not to judge teens based on what could've been a one-time lapse in judgment.
#3 Doesn't mean the grandmother did a bad job raising her. Have you never seen bad kids come out of good homes? I have. Sometimes the nature of the kid is just to be bad.

Finally, given the fact that I came out damn well with a shiatty mother, I'm a huge proponent of nature over nurture.
 
2009-04-03 01:13:41 PM
cherryl taggart: even if an American kid stays in foster care until grown, he's still way better off than any kid in a orphanage anywhere else.

That is so incredibly incorrect as a generalization.

Way better off (new window)
 
2009-04-03 01:17:52 PM
This whole issue brings up some interesting points about charity. No one has the means to help everyone in trouble. So should one help a lot of people a little, or one person a lot? Should money be devoted to helping the absolute most needy (e.g. poorest people in Africa) or helping people in moderate disadvantage? Is it more valuable to donate money to an generalized cause like fighting disease, or to individually help people with basics things like food? And if fighting disease is best use of charity, then which disease -- a preventable one like malaria, or something that affects us Westerners like cancer? And why breast cancer instead of prostate cancer?

Anyway, my point is that there is no easy way to judge charity, and we should let everyone do it their own way. Even if this adoption is not about true familial love, it is still an act of charity that will certainly improve the adopted child's life. So I can't criticize it.
 
2009-04-03 01:20:40 PM
xnewnoisex: I see the convo happened like this....

Madonna: I can has Afrikun Kidz?

Judge: U no can has Afrikun kidz, not yours.

Madonna: I show bewbies.

Judge: Do not want! I fined U in kontempt of mah kourts. GTFO!



oh, this, so much this.
keyboard, owed, etc.
 
2009-04-03 01:29:59 PM
HAMMERTOE: If they're so "involved" why do they even need a nanny? My brother's adoptive parents never needed a nanny, and adopted a grand total of 8 AMERICAN children. And yes, they had children of their own, as well as being foster parents.

I would guess there was a stay at home parent in your brother's adopted family.

That isn't always the case, nor is it necessarily the ideal situation in all circumstances. A friend of mine just delivered her first child this week. They are paying for a nanny because both of them work full time.
 
2009-04-03 01:38:56 PM
It's not a given that growing up in luxury is going to give you a happier life. Adoption is a great thing for kids who truly have no family, but plucking a kid who has broad extended family ties out of their culture just because you think that living with money in the west smacks of the worst sort of cultural imperialism.

I've reached the conclusion that the more money you have, the more you think you need to be happy. I'm currently teaching in a developing country (one of the ones that Angelina Jolie adopted a kid from), one of my classes is full of fairly well-off college kids who's parents are mostly professionals, another class is made up extremely impoverished ethnic minority students who are from areas where people still live in bamboo thatched houses and who wouldn't even be in college if the government hadn't set aside slots for them. A few weeks ago, I asked both of those classes whether they thought money could buy happiness. The kids who grew up just a step above those kids Madonna's trying to get in Malawi are the ones who by and large answered that no, money isn't going to buy happiness, family and relationships were more important. The rich kids? They're the ones who thought a lot of money would make them happier.

That's not to say that people who are living in extreme poverty couldn't use more money and better living conditions, just to say that it's extremely presumptuous of those of us who are sitting there living better than 95% of the world's population to think that just because they're poor, it's better for their kids to be raised by rich white Americans.
 
2009-04-03 01:44:08 PM
notauniquesnowflake: Just because the mother had her at 14:
#1 Doesn't mean the mother was farked-up. She could've been raped.
#2 I prefer not to judge teens based on what could've been a one-time lapse in judgment.
#3 Doesn't mean the grandmother did a bad job raising her. Have you never seen bad kids come out of good homes? I have. Sometimes the nature of the kid is just to be bad.


You start off by giving scenarios supporting the idea that the mother was a "good" kid with bad luck. You follow that up with the admonition that good parents can have "bad" kids. So basically, you are trying to exonerate everyone involved. My point, which I admitted did not make well, is that the fact the mother was 14 when she gave birth and died shortly thereafter is highly indicative of the circumstances that the child, if left in Malawi, is going to face. Take a look at these UNICEF statistics on Malawi. Link Life time maternal mortality is 1 in 18. Life expectancy over all is 47.
 
2009-04-03 02:00:01 PM
Good. She should have to follow the same damn rules as any other family adopting internationally. We did. Prick.
 
2009-04-03 02:32:29 PM
Has anyone ever seen a pic of Madonna looking happy with her kids? The only pics I ever see are of her hauling them around shopping or to events. No playing, laughing or doing kid-type things.
 
2009-04-03 02:47:18 PM
Those poor poor africans. They need madonna so bad. I consider them so lucky, who wouldn't want to have a beautiful, smart, talented, rich, hollywood star to be their mother tereasa? Gawsh, those africans, what would they do without us to keep boogerflies out fo their noses.
 
2009-04-03 02:59:54 PM
Mongo cut wood: Maximusclay Quote 2009-04-03 09:25:19 AM
I don't get what the big deal is. You want the kid to rot in an orphanage, do it. Why does everyone give her crap for attempting to give a homeless child a comfortable life?


This is America, the government thinks adopting outside of your race is bad for the children. This same government that says we shouldn't discriminate.

From Time.com:

The more contentious part of the legislation prohibits race from being taken into consideration in most decisions about adoption from foster care. For example, white parents seeking to adopt a black child cannot be required to undergo race-oriented training that differs in any way from training that all prospective adoptive parents receive.

A key recommendation in the new report calls for amending the law so race could be considered as a factor in selecting parents for children from foster care. The change also would allow race-oriented pre-adoption training.


Well, that's good to know. The husband and I intend to adopt a little girl in a few years. We've had two boys and I don't want to squeeze out any more. Here in California, most children available for adoption are minorities, and we're white as white comes. Race isn't an issue at all in our minds, but it looks like it may be a hurdle for us in the adoption process.
 
2009-04-03 03:15:31 PM
Caturday event horizon: xnewnoisex: I see the convo happened like this....

Madonna: I can has Afrikun Kidz?

Judge: U no can has Afrikun kidz, not yours.

Madonna: I show bewbies.

Judge: Do not want! I fined U in kontempt of mah kourts. GTFO!


oh, this, so much this.
keyboard, owed, etc.


I think I am going to spend the night finding the perfect pictures to make an LOL out of that
 
2009-04-03 03:16:29 PM
dyli: notauniquesnowflake: Just because the mother had her at 14:
#1 Doesn't mean the mother was farked-up. She could've been raped.
#2 I prefer not to judge teens based on what could've been a one-time lapse in judgment.
#3 Doesn't mean the grandmother did a bad job raising her. Have you never seen bad kids come out of good homes? I have. Sometimes the nature of the kid is just to be bad.

You start off by giving scenarios supporting the idea that the mother was a "good" kid with bad luck. You follow that up with the admonition that good parents can have "bad" kids. So basically, you are trying to exonerate everyone involved. My point, which I admitted did not make well, is that the fact the mother was 14 when she gave birth and died shortly thereafter is highly indicative of the circumstances that the child, if left in Malawi, is going to face. Take a look at these UNICEF statistics on Malawi. Link Life time maternal mortality is 1 in 18. Life expectancy over all is 47.


I'm saying people in this thread, yourself included, are being awfully judgemental of all the Malawians involved. It seems no one is even beginning to consider any extenuating circumstances that could be involved. Your leap to "oh look, they have a much lower life expectancy" smacks of a superiority complex. Having wealth and living longer does not guarantee a happy life. Neither does having a family. In fact, most people do not have a happy life. Saying Madonna should be allowed to adopt because we have a higher life expectancy is a simply ridiculous statement. There is so much more to life than how long you live.
 
2009-04-03 03:36:28 PM
xnewnoisex: I think I am going to spend the night finding the perfect pictures to make an LOL out of that

can't wait to see it. =D
 
2009-04-03 03:46:33 PM
notauniquesnowflake: I'm saying people in this thread, yourself included, are being awfully judgemental of all the Malawians involved. It seems no one is even beginning to consider any extenuating circumstances that could be involved. Your leap to "oh look, they have a much lower life expectancy" smacks of a superiority complex. Having wealth and living longer does not guarantee a happy life. Neither does having a family. In fact, most people do not have a happy life. Saying Madonna should be allowed to adopt because we have a higher life expectancy is a simply ridiculous statement. There is so much more to life than how long you live.

As I mentioned earlier, I teach students who come from families who are among the poorest of the poor--less than $2 a day type poor, I asked them whether they think that money can buy happiness, and these kids who are 17-18 years old and who grew up in conditions that I couldn't imagine living in all said that things like family and friends were more important for happiness than money. Not to say that they don't appreciate the idea of having money to buy things, and they're acutely aware of the things that their villages don't have, but if they had to pick, money is low on the list.

It's presumptuous to act like we know what's best for people in those situations, they're just as capable of evaluating priorities as those of us in developed countries are.
 
2009-04-03 03:56:00 PM
doublesecretprobation: because this is fark and it's cool to hate madonna because she's old and busted and you wouldn't hit it with subby's Bea Arthur's dick.

FTFY
 
2009-04-03 04:22:02 PM
I think that the main issue isn't whether or not the child would have a better life with Madonna, it's that in order for Madonna to adopt her they would have to break the law. As the judge noted in the ruling, allowing the adoption to take place could set a dangerous precedent. She (the judge) is not saying "NO! You can't give this child a good life! You'd be a horrible mom!" She's saying "I'm sorry you don't meet the legal requirements to adopt this child, and an exception cannot be made for one person." Regardless of all that jazz the reason that the child is in an orphanage is that while her extended family would like to take care of her, they can't afford to. Not in a not enough christmas presents kind of way, but in a not enough food kind of way.
 
2009-04-03 05:13:43 PM
Gotta catch them all!
 
2009-04-03 05:42:56 PM
Good
Kids aren't the same things as charm bracelet trinkets
 
2009-04-03 06:28:28 PM
Leave them in Africa. We have enough negroes over here.
 
2009-04-03 11:48:03 PM
what we should pay attention to the law?? damn go figure.
 
2009-04-04 01:13:11 AM
Instead of traveling the world getting children,

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