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2009-04-03 09:53:20 AM
stuhayes2010: Having money sure does help.

Sure, but there's light years between having a more or less comfortable life and being a star's photo-op adopted kid.

Particularly if you've got relatives, it might be nice if you could still talk to them and stuff. Being moved to a foreign country with a new language and a completely different culture will pretty much sever those ties.
 
2009-04-03 09:56:20 AM
bigdogap: Adoption is not about "saving a child." It's about building your family.

Also very much this. It's part of what adds to the disturbing aspect (for me, as a reader) of this seeming "foreign baby adoption" fad in Hollywood, including (or maybe even particularly) Angelina Jolie, though people all seem to think she's some kinda saint or something.

There's the "look at me, I've saved these kids from growing up in a poor country, I'm so noble" thing.

If it truly IS about helping kids, why not help some efforts that can help them in their own countries, or help lots of kids there? Plucking one out is pretty small, if you're on the "save the kids" angle.
 
2009-04-03 09:56:42 AM
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Mom?
 
2009-04-03 09:58:10 AM
she should adopt some kids in the usa

come to think of it, i think i know about 8 that could be available
 
2009-04-03 09:58:51 AM
stuhayes2010: Marla Singer's Laundry: Tickle Mittens: PowerSlacker: you have pee hands: Maximusclay: I don't get what the big deal is. You want the kid to rot in an orphanage, do it. Why does everyone give her crap for attempting to give a homeless child a comfortable life?

Well, she's doing in an attention whoring kind of way. Whatever country she currently calls home has kids in bad situations, too.


That. If she gave a rat's ass about the child's life, she wouldn't have her army of publicists telling us to pay attention.

Yes, let's punish the child with a horrible life, and likely early death after slowing being strangled by merciless grinding poverty. There are abstract points about vanity to be driven home. At any cost!

Did....any of you guys read the article? The judge wants the kid with relatives, which the child has.

I've heard this argument before. While I will not defend Madonna for anything. but WHY IS THIS KID IN AN ORPHANAGE IF HE HAS CARING RELATIVES?


Hmmm, if only the judge was essentially ordering one of the relatives to take care of the child, what a wonderful world it would be.
 
2009-04-03 09:59:50 AM
She will crush them like a bug with her freakishly muscular arms.

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2009-04-03 10:01:19 AM
Rose Red: Meh

This.
 
2009-04-03 10:04:59 AM
I would have used the headline "Stringy senior whore denied new child victim".
 
2009-04-03 10:05:50 AM
johndalek: she should adopt some kids in the usa

come to think of it, i think i know about 8 that could be available


If it wasn't for Prop.8 she could move to California and marry Octomom.
 
2009-04-03 10:15:31 AM
Walker: She will crush them like a bug with her freakishly muscular arms.

It must be all that Kaballah water she drinks...
 
2009-04-03 10:15:58 AM
I'm sure she could help a thousand kids with the money she wants to spend on one.
Like the celebtards with dogs that are accessories, Madonna has black babies.

She needs a ski trip to Quebec.
 
2009-04-03 10:16:48 AM
bigdogap: Adoption is not about "saving a child." It's about building your family. Adoption is not a selfless act. It's a selfish act. You should selfishly want to love and raise a child. Adoption is not easy. Nor is raising a child (adoptive or biological).

I don't pretend to know what Madonna's intentions are. I do know what most adoptive parents are trying to achieve: love.


I tell my kids that we adopted them because we were selfish. Seriously. I don't ever want them to think we adopted them because they needed "saving".

As far as celebrities adopting domestically, I can see that they might have bigger birth parent issues than us normal folk.
If Madonna wants to adopt, she should find an adoptable child.
 
2009-04-03 10:18:10 AM
Tell you what: You can buy all the kids you want if you'll agree to disappear forever.
 
2009-04-03 10:19:46 AM
Madonna's efforts to adopt 3-year-old Chifundo "Mercy" James had drawn criticism from some activists who said the little girl would be best off with relatives.

Then why isn't she with relatives?
 
2009-04-03 10:20:54 AM
1 child, that you are actually wanting to parent yourself, is an adoption.

Madonna and Angelina are building menageries.

Yes, there's a difference. When you adopt a child, you take that child into your home and your heart. You agree to raise it; not have it tended to by a team of minions, while you're our gallivanting all over the globe, assisting in lowering the mean global moral quotient.

My brother was adopted by a family that adopted many children. However, they raised the kids themselves, and no PR statements were needed. Good for him, and them.
 
2009-04-03 10:22:24 AM
stuhayes2010:

pd771: stuhayes2010: Okay so She's doing it for attention {CITATION NEEDED}, still the kid would be raised in luxury by nannies. A lot better than an orphanage in a country you've never heard of, where the best the kid could hope for is to be a farmer.

Being rich doesn't automatically make you happy or successful.

Well, I can say from experience, being poor in my younger years, doing well now. Having money sure does help. When you don't have to worry about paying bills, keeping a roof over your head, being eaten by lions, or traded into slavery; greatly increases your odds of happiness.


and growing up with an absent mother and no responsibility to anything will surely make the child have a more fulfilling life than (gasp) a life of working hard? heaven help anyone who would actually have to work to live...
 
2009-04-03 10:23:55 AM
itazurakko: If it truly IS about helping kids, why not help some efforts that can help them in their own countries, or help lots of kids there? Plucking one out is pretty small, if you're on the "save the kids" angle.

Both Madonna & Angelina Jolie have spent more money than most people have starting charitable organizations in 3rd world countries.
 
2009-04-03 10:24:08 AM
Thisbymaster: But she has to collect them all.

First laugh of the day - thanks. (visualizing her scratching her head looking at her world map with little pins in various countries..)
 
2009-04-03 10:25:16 AM
Bees are livestock: Why cant she adopt a few american children?

not fashionable

where's the farkin hero tag
 
2009-04-03 10:26:07 AM
As much as I hate this Madonna/Angelina thing being invented by the press, my gut tells me that after having gotten to know the little girl this much, Angelina would actually move there for the 18 if she had to. Madonna...not in a million years.
 
2009-04-03 10:27:28 AM
On the one hand, some little african kid is saved from poverty. On the other the kid becomes alienated from their roots, their family and becomes little more than a fashion accessory to a showbiz celeb. So what they gain in material wealth they lose in dignity.
 
2009-04-03 10:28:15 AM
Alwaysus: I tell my kids that we adopted them because we were selfish. Seriously. I don't ever want them to think we adopted them because they needed "saving".

That's just it, though - these celebrity kids, even MORE than garden variety family adopted kids, are going to hear that whole "wow, [star] saved you" "wow, you should really be grateful that [star] saved you from terrible circumstances" "wow, [star] adopted you even though she has kids of her own! How mangnimous of her!" etc etc ETC their whole lives.

It's disturbing.
 
2009-04-03 10:28:34 AM
I Said: You people realize what this is, right?

Madonna was basically the self proclaimed icon for independent strong women through the 80's (in reality she was just a gifted singer who had a reputation for being a whore) and every guy wanted her.

A few years ago Angelina Jolie took that role, except instead of singing she acts, which is something Madonna can't do well.

Since Angelina is in good ass kicking shape Madonna would be foolish to challenge her to a physical confrontation for the title of "Icon of Strong Woman". So they agreed to do the next best thing: raise armies.

They now travel the world looking for the greatest potential warriors money can buy. And the children learn nothing but the art of combat until adulthood.

Soon, with their forces numbering in the thousands, they will meet a yet to be determined location, and we will once and for all know who is the world's biggest attention whore.


It all becomes clear. Can we not just nuke em from orbit?
 
2009-04-03 10:29:00 AM
Madonna, adopt your own kind. There has to be some sleezy, greedy, ho child out there just begging for a role model.
 
2009-04-03 10:29:38 AM
dyli: Both Madonna & Angelina Jolie have spent more money than most people have starting charitable organizations in 3rd world countries.

I knew Angelina has done things in Cambodia, hadn't heard much about Madonna (not that I really follow it).
 
2009-04-03 10:31:26 AM
itazurakko: Alwaysus: I tell my kids that we adopted them because we were selfish. Seriously. I don't ever want them to think we adopted them because they needed "saving".

That's just it, though - these celebrity kids, even MORE than garden variety family adopted kids, are going to hear that whole "wow, [star] saved you" "wow, you should really be grateful that [star] saved you from terrible circumstances" "wow, [star] adopted you even though she has kids of her own! How mangnimous of her!" etc etc ETC their whole lives.

It's disturbing.


Yeah, that would suck.
 
2009-04-03 10:32:30 AM
HAMMERTOE: When you adopt a child, you take that child into your home and your heart. You agree to raise it; not have it tended to by a team of minions, while you're our gallivanting all over the globe, assisting in lowering the mean global moral quotient.

My brother was adopted by a family that adopted many children. However, they raised the kids themselves, and no PR statements were needed. Good for him, and them.


What does a family raising "many" adopted kids themselves mean? Does it mean that you have to have at least 1 stay at home parent to watch the children full time? Does it mean you can't send the children to daycare or school? Does it mean that you can't have household help or hire tutors for the children? Or does it mean you have a situation like the Duggers where the older children are forced to parent the younger ones because no parents in the world are capable of caring for broods of what 18? children on their own.
 
2009-04-03 10:35:10 AM
Brown babies from exotic locals are the new toy poodles of the celebrated class: Pets to be pampered and spoiled and shown off.
 
2009-04-03 10:35:52 AM
/and sometimes breast fed.
 
2009-04-03 10:41:27 AM
itazurakko: I knew Angelina has done things in Cambodia, hadn't heard much about Madonna (not that I really follow it).

According to TFA "The singer has several charity projects in Malawi."

I don't follow this stuff either. It just bothers me when people who have never donated to a charity (much less start one) and have never adopted nor plan to adopt children pretend that they are morally superior to celebs who do both.
 
2009-04-03 10:43:10 AM
OnTheFence: stuhayes2010: Well, good, now that kid can spend a lifetime in a hell hole. Like her or not, living in her house has to be better than anything that orphanage can offer.

This. If i were that kid, and found out later that someone screwed up my chance to go live like royalty, i'd be piiiisssed.


Seriously! It's like winning the jackpot only to be told that the machine malfunctioned. Or having 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

Who cares if it's for attention whoring. At least this kid can be safe with the knowledge those that are claiming the moral high ground just farked up his life.

But, then again, maybe with her millions she could, you know, actually save his whole village. I'd still prefer to live in a pimped out mansion with servants.
 
2009-04-03 10:44:46 AM
HAMMERTOE: 1 child, that you are actually wanting to parent yourself, is an adoption.

Madonna and Angelina are building menageries.

Yes, there's a difference. When you adopt a child, you take that child into your home and your heart. You agree to raise it; not have it tended to by a team of minions, while you're our gallivanting all over the globe.


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2009-04-03 10:45:15 AM
dyli: What does a family raising "many" adopted kids themselves mean? Does it mean that you have to have at least 1 stay at home parent to watch the children full time? Does it mean you can't send the children to daycare or school? Does it mean that you can't have household help or hire tutors for the children? Or does it mean you have a situation like the Duggers where the older children are forced to parent the younger ones because no parents in the world are capable of caring for broods of what 18? children on their own.

It means that the parents were there, on a daily basis, raising the children themselves; not hiring a fleet of nannies, cooks and butlers to take care of the children, while they are all over the globe. It means that yes, the older children will have responsibility over the younger ones at times, just like in a normal home. There doesn't have to be a parent in the home 24/7, but they are actively involved in rearing the children, in more than an Administrative role. This means that there will be at least 1 parent home every day.

Itr is akin to the difference between "leading", and "occupying a position of power".
 
2009-04-03 10:45:23 AM
It seems like Angelina started off with the right intentions. She was on location years ago, got involved, and adopted one. Back then, she even talked about adding one more to round things out. But once she hooked up w/Brad, things went off the rails. And from what I've read, she keeps sending money to the orphanages. Madonna, I'm not sure about. Maybe she does also, I just haven't read it.

As for why the kid is in an orphanage in the first place, this seems like some sort of boarding school. The kid is safer, better fed, better housed. I'm all for adopting locally, but really, even if an American kid stays in foster care until grown, he's still way better off than any kid in a orphanage anywhere else.
 
2009-04-03 10:45:28 AM
dyli: I don't follow this stuff either. It just bothers me when people who have never donated to a charity (much less start one) and have never adopted nor plan to adopt children pretend that they are morally superior to celebs who do both.

I don't know that I'm morally superior, just garden variety weirded out by some of it, as a hyphenated sort of person. It's more the being moved away from a country and the culture of your birth when you actually have a family there (even if it's just known siblings you might have contact with when you're all independent) that's what gets me, I guess.

Plus the fact that being a kid of STARS, the press is going to hype on the whole saved thing.

/not claiming to be rational, per se, either
 
2009-04-03 10:47:06 AM
Marla Singer's Laundry: Tickle Mittens: PowerSlacker: you have pee hands: Maximusclay: I don't get what the big deal is. You want the kid to rot in an orphanage, do it. Why does everyone give her crap for attempting to give a homeless child a comfortable life?

Well, she's doing in an attention whoring kind of way. Whatever country she currently calls home has kids in bad situations, too.


That. If she gave a rat's ass about the child's life, she wouldn't have her army of publicists telling us to pay attention.

Yes, let's punish the child with a horrible life, and likely early death after slowing being strangled by merciless grinding poverty. There are abstract points about vanity to be driven home. At any cost!

Did....any of you guys read the article? The judge wants the kid with relatives, which the child has.


That doesn't matter because a rich American wants it. Family never matters when a rich American wants something!!
 
2009-04-03 10:55:17 AM
Marla Singer's Laundry: Bees are livestock: Why cant she adopt a few american children?

The brown ones are tastier.


This.



/or so I've been told
 
2009-04-03 10:58:21 AM
See? Told you that God exists!
 
2009-04-03 11:01:46 AM
HAMMERTOE: It means that the parents were there, on a daily basis, raising the children themselves; not hiring a fleet of nannies, cooks and butlers to take care of the children, while they are all over the globe. It means that yes, the older children will have responsibility over the younger ones at times, just like in a normal home. There doesn't have to be a parent in the home 24/7, but they are actively involved in rearing the children, in more than an Administrative role.

I don't have a clue as to how Madonna is with David, but my impression is that Brad and Angelina are very involved parents.

HAMMERTOE: This means that there will be at least 1 parent home every day.

I believe in taking vacations away from the children. It gives them time to spend with the grandparents and it gives us a much needed break.
 
2009-04-03 11:06:11 AM
fireclown: Bees are livestock: Why cant she adopt a few american children?

A damned good point. Although adopting in the US is more trouble than it should be, she has the means to do so. It seems that she might just not feel that she wants to take the time. She wants an ommpa loompa NOW!


There are several answers that meld together. First, as mentioned above, it's the thing du jour to do - it's trendy. Second, it's like collecting a menagerie for Ange and Madge. Third, they're considered exotic.

Fourth, adopting in the US isn't what you think - as I said in the previous Madge-Adopts post - the majority of birthmothers here in the US not only want an open adoption complete with visits, but they also want a say in the life of the child. Closed adoptions are not the norm here as they used to be. There's no way in hell Ange or Madge would ever allow interference by one of the great unwashed.

//Nice going, judge!!!
/well done!
////no HERO tag?
 
2009-04-03 11:12:30 AM
Aw! And she nearly had the full set!
 
2009-04-03 11:13:31 AM
itazurakko: It's more the being moved away from a country and the culture of your birth when you actually have a family there (even if it's just known siblings you might have contact with when you're all independent) that's what gets me, I guess.

I was relocated to the States when I was 7. Granted I came here with family, but I was pretty much raised latch-key from 7 to 14. I used to have to ask the neighbor in the next apartment to open the door for me because I couldn't always reach the door lock with my key. Someone would come home in the late afternoon/early evening to make some food for me, then leave. I'd go to sleep alone in the apartment hours before my parents got home. I watched a lot of tv. It took about a year to pick up the language and adjust.

I have a younger brother who didn't come to the States until he was 9 and I was 14. Didn't bother me much at all. Children can be very self centered. I was more than content with not having to share the limited amount of parental attention I had once I was living in the States.

I'd imagine that adjusting for younger children would be both faster and easier. My 3 year old would happily watch youtube Thomas train videos in languages we can't even identify.
 
2009-04-03 11:14:50 AM
Maximusclay Quote 2009-04-03 09:25:19 AM
I don't get what the big deal is. You want the kid to rot in an orphanage, do it. Why does everyone give her crap for attempting to give a homeless child a comfortable life?


This is America, the government thinks adopting outside of your race is bad for the children. This same government that says we shouldn't discriminate.

From Time.com:

The more contentious part of the legislation prohibits race from being taken into consideration in most decisions about adoption from foster care. For example, white parents seeking to adopt a black child cannot be required to undergo race-oriented training that differs in any way from training that all prospective adoptive parents receive.

A key recommendation in the new report calls for amending the law so race could be considered as a factor in selecting parents for children from foster care. The change also would allow race-oriented pre-adoption training.
 
2009-04-03 11:19:15 AM
Dignity doesn't feed you. Material wealth does.
 
2009-04-03 11:19:55 AM
Maximusclay: I don't get what the big deal is. You want the kid to rot in an orphanage, do it. Why does everyone give her crap for attempting to give a homeless child a comfortable life?

Because the kid isn't homeless. She's currently being raised by her own grandmother. Isn't it preferable for the grandmother to raise her than to rip her away and send her to some foreign nation to be "raised" by an ever-absent single mother?

Madonna could always "adopt the family," and be sure to donate food/moneys/whatever so the grandmother and little girl are ok, but that's not what it's about for her. It's about the power of being mommydearest.
 
2009-04-03 11:20:21 AM
And why was the HERO tag not used???
 
2009-04-03 11:23:22 AM
dyli:my impression is that Brad and Angelina are very involved parents.

I seem to remember recently reading that Angelina fired their nanny, after catching Brad giving the nanny a rub-down. If they're so "involved" why do they even need a nanny? My brother's adoptive parents never needed a nanny, and adopted a grand total of 8 AMERICAN children. And yes, they had children of their own, as well as being foster parents. They would have adopted me as well, but I was 16, and dead set on being close to my social circle and not relocating.

I believe in taking vacations away from the children. It gives them time to spend with the grandparents and it gives us a much needed break.

I totally agree. However, that is the rare occurrence, not the norm. It is a vacation, not a World Tour, nor "shooting on location" for weeks.
 
2009-04-03 11:24:47 AM
notauniquesnowflake: Isn't it preferable for the grandmother to raise her than to rip her away and send her to some foreign nation to be "raised" by an ever-absent single mother?

Considering the girl's mother was 14 when she gave birth and died shortly after delivery, I don't know if the grandmother is a preferable guardian. There's also no mention of a father. That is disconcerting as well.
 
2009-04-03 11:36:01 AM
dyli: I was relocated to the States when I was 7. Granted I came here with family

Yeah, I think that makes all the difference, is what I'm saying.
 
2009-04-03 11:39:22 AM
Came for pictures of Sacha Barren Cohen's Brunot and his black baby.... left disappointed.
 
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