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2009-04-03 09:15:34 AM
Triumph + BSA = TSA
A great motorcycle in its day.
 
2009-04-03 09:21:04 AM
I stand by my assertion that we can get rid of TSA and assign a stun gun to every individual over the age of 21 that gets on a plane.

Problem solved.

/Either that or just give me my leatherman back.
 
2009-04-03 09:24:57 AM
ozarkmatt: Hey, those are Federal union members. That was the point of that shiat.

Remember, "You don't professionalize until you Federalize."
- Tom Daschle (ASS) ND

Privatize it. Privatize it all. Privatize Congress.


Try reading Jennifer Government
 
2009-04-03 09:27:49 AM
Fuzzyshrimp: Triumph + BSA = TSA
A great motorcycle in its day.


Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. The mental process that put this together is by far the most dangerous weapon on the planet. TSA would like to have a word with you before boarding...

/ '70 Trophy500, '68 Bonnie, '73 Tiger750
 
2009-04-03 09:29:31 AM
AntiNorm: ScubaDude1960: Wait, this guy was a screener and still believes that terrorists are trying to smuggle bombs onto airplanes? How delusional can a person be? In his entire career, he didn't stop one person from getting a bomb past him (nor did anybody else in the TSA), because nobody tried.

I'm in before any of Fark's resident TSA employees try and claim that they in fact have prevented another 9/11, to preemptively call bullshiat on them.


*Shakes his fist at AntiNorm*

There'll be another time bwahahahahahaha......!!!

/flips black cape and runs off into the nite
 
2009-04-03 09:40:42 AM
Fark the TSA and the Department of Homeland Security. Neither one of them does a thing that actually makes us any safer from terrorist attacks. They are the biggest waste of taxpayer money in the history of the world.
 
2009-04-03 09:45:20 AM
The people who should be in charge of airline security is the airlines themselves. Make a law creating strict-liability liquidated damages of $10 million (give or take) against the airlines for every person who dies in a terrorist/criminal act committed in/by/with a commercial airplane; then watch the airlines react accordingly. Put people with some vested interest at stake in charge of airline security, instead of unfireable bureaucrats.

It's sad that another 9/11 is eventually going to happen because of TSA incompetence. Even sadder, when another few thousand people die, the answer will probably still be "MORE GUMMIT! MORE GUMMIT TO CATCH THEM TERRURISTS!" The TSA is a microcosm of everything that's wrong with American democracy.
 
2009-04-03 09:45:30 AM
You know, the former employees could have been describing any job with over a hundred employees.
 
2009-04-03 09:53:48 AM
flacidbob: In the same vein as people not doing their jobs/machines not working like thay should...

I recently went to DC with my family and Forgot to take my utility knife out of my pocket and leave it in the car. I even said to my wife I need to remember to take this out since I don't want it taken away. It is a rather nice one, Kobalt folding blade quick release, any way...

We went into one of the Smithsonian buildings and looked around a while then went to the natural history museum, went through the same type of metal detectors, took all the stuff out of the baby's stroller, etc. Passed all security checks and when I bent down to put all the stuff back in the stroller the guard said hey sir step over here and I was like "what do you need?" He asked me to remove my blade and I was like well shiat sorry about that and went to toss it in the box, he said just remove the razor, which was cool he thanked me and Off I went.

My keys didn't set off ANY of the check points and I have a pocketful of metal. Seems to me they are all just a front and the real deal is the people working the lanes.

I have never had an unpleasent time with any of the TSA or other security people any where.


I used to own a couple identical small folding knives that lived in my shorts or jeans. They weren't very bulky, so even if I caught the one in the shorts I was going to wear, I'd miss the one in the pants in my carry on or vice versa. Sometimes I'd find one checking my pockets before the metal detector and just throw it away (only $3 so no big deal), but at least a half a dozen times I made it through with a rather sizable chunk of metal on myself or in my carry on that I only discovered later. And it should have been a very pointy, serrated, obvious knife shape on the x-ray.

One time on the return leg of a trip I found a knife in my pocket before the detector and asked the TSA guy where I could throw it away. He proceeds to give me this lecture about how the government spends many billions of dollars a year finding knives like that. I'm sitting there thinking, "Indeed, it's a travesty. You could be replaced by a sign that says 'check your pockets'." Not the lesson he intended, I think.
 
2009-04-03 09:54:16 AM
The headline here makes it sound as if the TSA workers are doing charity work by donating shampoo and other toiletries that people are forced to get rid of when boarding airplanes - to people in need like those at homeless shelters.

Boy was that way off.

What a great idea...they will never do it though.
 
2009-04-03 10:02:09 AM
lostindustrial: The headline here makes it sound as if the TSA workers are doing charity work by donating shampoo and other toiletries that people are forced to get rid of when boarding airplanes - to people in need like those at homeless shelters.

Boy was that way off.

What a great idea...they will never do it though.


Until 2 years ago I was a weekly flyer. I saved all of my hotel shampoos and soaps and conditioners and other freebies and, once a year, brought a big bag of the stuff to a women's shelter.

/Is it still paying it forward if I was only a battered woman in a past life?
 
2009-04-03 10:07:33 AM
I never had a problem with the TSA rank and file when traveling weekly.
I found their work pointless, ineffective, and poorly planned but the screeners themselves were always professional with me.

As a fair skinned Midwesterner I was often being screened by foreigners.

/Accidentally brought a knife on a plane with me more than once (post 9/11)
 
2009-04-03 10:08:35 AM
I left the TSA in December (not the screener side of the agency, the other branch that does....other stuff related to airline security). I am not one bit surprised by this article. Upper "management" in the agency I was with were by and large the most pathetic excuses for "leaders" I've ever had the misfortune to be associated with. Fraud, waste and abuse were daily occurences. Whistleblowers were penalized. After I resigned I did document my experiences and send it up the chain to DC. I hope, but doubt, it will make a difference.

Man, am I glad to be away from that agency.
 
2009-04-03 10:11:05 AM
lostindustrial: The headline here makes it sound as if the TSA workers are doing charity work by donating shampoo and other toiletries that people are forced to get rid of when boarding airplanes - to people in need like those at homeless shelters.

Don't know where you get that.

Another thought....since the TSA's reasoning that the shampoo is prohibited because they could be explosives, shouldn't they be treated like HazMat, and not just tossed into a bin where it could explode and kill people?
 
2009-04-03 10:26:20 AM
BrokenToilet: TSA Government workers are just welfare recipients. with badges

FTFY ;)
 
2009-04-03 10:41:37 AM

Fluffy_the_cactus:
BrokenToilet:
TSA Government workers are just welfare recipients. with badges


FTFY ;)



TSA Government workers are just welfare recipients. with badges fear-addled reactionary mini-Hitlerian powertripping assclowns.

FTFY ;)


 
2009-04-03 10:55:02 AM
Came here for the Mr Show references...was not disappointed!
 
2009-04-03 11:16:52 AM
So the animals are turning on each other. How fitting.
 
2009-04-03 11:23:09 AM
LessO2: lostindustrial: The headline here makes it sound as if the TSA workers are doing charity work by donating shampoo and other toiletries that people are forced to get rid of when boarding airplanes - to people in need like those at homeless shelters.

Don't know where you get that.

Another thought....since the TSA's reasoning that the shampoo is prohibited because they could be explosives, shouldn't they be treated like HazMat, and not just tossed into a bin where it could explode and kill people?


YES! THIS!! SO MUCH THIS!
 
2009-04-03 11:28:01 AM
Calmamity: As far as I can recall, the only thing I have ever agreed with George W. Bush on was his opposition to creating the Department of Homeland Security. The name alone should have been enough to bury it.

He said it would be another layer of large, inefficient bureaucracy that did little to improve the security of the American people, and boy was he right.*

But of course he flip-flopped on that, added a giant turd that made DHS employees no longer civil servants (I believe that's what ozarkmatt was referring to, ckccfa. Maybe. I dunno, hard to tell). And here we are.

---------------
*Well, he said something like that. I'm sure whatever he said, he said it using hints from the Small Book of Words An Idiot Might Be Able To Articulate Cogently In Front Of A National Audience Say Right On Tee Vee.


He said there didn't need to be a cabinet-level office of homeland security. You're right though if they weren't cabinet-level I'm sure we'd have no problems with them at all right?
 
2009-04-03 11:35:07 AM
How hard is it really to look for weapons? This is not rocket science.
 
2009-04-03 11:39:59 AM
honeytoes: LessO2: lostindustrial: The headline here makes it sound as if the TSA workers are doing charity work by donating shampoo and other toiletries that people are forced to get rid of when boarding airplanes - to people in need like those at homeless shelters.

Don't know where you get that.

Another thought....since the TSA's reasoning that the shampoo is prohibited because they could be explosives, shouldn't they be treated like HazMat, and not just tossed into a bin where it could explode and kill people?

YES! THIS!! SO MUCH THIS!


I have a plan.
Bring liquid explosives to the airport where they will all be dumped into the same few 55gal trash cans. What, is 20 pounds in one place unreasonable? Big boom.
 
2009-04-03 11:40:53 AM
Ummon: How hard is it really to look for weapons? This is not rocket science.

It is also NOT security>
 
2009-04-03 11:50:53 AM
Ummon: How hard is it really to look for weapons? This is not rocket science.

You are absolutely right, but TSA managment and SOP have so many god damn convoluted rules and regulations that a TSO's common sense is ignored. When a TSO uses his common sense in the screening process things like what are mentioned in the article happen.
 
2009-04-03 11:58:37 AM
snocone: I have a plan.
Bring liquid explosives to the airport where they will all be dumped into the same few 55gal trash cans. What, is 20 pounds in one place unreasonable? Big boom.


Yeah but if you wanted to bring 20 lbs of explosives into the airport you can just walk it in. Obviously the point of confiscating shampoo is to make it pointless to try to carry explosives as shampoo. Nobody will do it because there's no point, so it's a pretty safe bet that all the shampoo is just shampoo. All that's kind of obvious but I'll say it anyways.

My personal theory is that someone out there wants everything to do with air travel to be as miserable as possible. Perhaps this person or group is bitter than the horse and carriage is no longer a viable method of transport. It's impossible to know what motivates these people but they are obviously winning their battle.
 
2009-04-03 12:17:52 PM
Sounds to me like the employee in the article might have just been hated and her coworkers and boss just wanted her to quit. If conditions were that bad in general for pretty much all the employees, I would have thought more people would have come forward with complaints. Sounds like a few folks really had a problem with that one girl and didn't have the authority/justification to fire her outright, so they picked the taunt her till she quits approach.

If you're that hated at your job, you should take the hint and move along. It's not like they laughed at her a little around the water cooler when they thought she wasn't listening. They really went above and beyond to make her specifically feel unwelcome. If your co-workers go so far as to use dead rats and pepper spray, you're in the wrong workplace.
 
2009-04-03 12:21:54 PM
redstarr01: Sounds to me like the employee in the article might have just been hated and her coworkers and boss just wanted her to quit. If conditions were that bad in general for pretty much all the employees, I would have thought more people would have come forward with complaints. Sounds like a few folks really had a problem with that one girl and didn't have the authority/justification to fire her outright, so they picked the taunt her till she quits approach.

If you're that hated at your job, you should take the hint and move along. It's not like they laughed at her a little around the water cooler when they thought she wasn't listening. They really went above and beyond to make her specifically feel unwelcome. If your co-workers go so far as to use dead rats and pepper spray, you're in the wrong workplace.


Ummm WOW. I hope that was an attempt at trolling because if that is how you really feel, dude, you are cold hearted.

0/10 for trolling
0/10 for your humanity.
 
2009-04-03 12:34:05 PM
flacidbob: I have never had an unpleasant time with any of the TSA or other security people any where.

You sound white.
 
2009-04-03 12:35:12 PM
Government logic: "If we hire incompetents, we can make them do a good job because we have huge BOOKS full of RULES that they must OBEY or face a strongly-worded letter."
 
2009-04-03 12:46:11 PM
There are some jobs that just do not need doing.
And hiring unwilling workers to do the unnecessary for the ungrateful is bad policy.
Where have I heard that before?

What do you call an unwilling worker going thru the motions they would normally not consider, but perform for money?
Oh yea, whore.
I'm sorry, is that harsh?
 
2009-04-03 01:17:09 PM
Of course they're being harassed by their bosses. Could you imagine being the supervisor to a gaggle of short bus rejects? You'd be hopping mad too.
 
2009-04-03 01:41:10 PM
Our first defense against terrorism in the skies. Good to know.
 
2009-04-03 04:16:09 PM
honeytoes: LessO2: lostindustrial: The headline here makes it sound as if the TSA workers are doing charity work by donating shampoo and other toiletries that people are forced to get rid of when boarding airplanes - to people in need like those at homeless shelters.

Don't know where you get that.

Another thought....since the TSA's reasoning that the shampoo is prohibited because they could be explosives, shouldn't they be treated like HazMat, and not just tossed into a bin where it could explode and kill people?

YES! THIS!! SO MUCH THIS!


See, you guys know so little about this and I as a TSA Screener and duly trained in the dangers of explosives can clear this misunderstanding here and now.

The shampoo, by itself, is innocuous. It's only when you add the conditioner that it becomes a threat.

Even then, you still have to lather, rinse and repeat.
 
2009-04-03 07:14:45 PM
flacidbob: My keys didn't set off ANY of the check points and I have a pocketful of metal. Seems to me they are all just a front and the real deal is the people working the lanes.

The detectors can be set to different levels of sensitivity, anything from "its picking up your teeth fillings" to "Oh, the little guns dont set it off"
 
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