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2001-09-04 11:59:27 AM
wow 1 in 5 chance that things will go badly. How could that be acceptable??
 
2001-09-04 12:01:19 PM
someone check to see if you can bet on this in Vegas. my work has blocked gambling sites (grumble)
 
2001-09-04 12:02:37 PM
That's why they are evacuating. That's still better than the thing collapsing on its own and flooding the village with no warning.

What I'm wondering is what effect that will have on the volcano's activity. Removing the lake will relieve an immense amount of pressure being placed on the caldera, and there is always the possibility of something like this actually causing another eruption. I wonder if any vulcanologists have looked at the situation from that particular angle? It is an extremely precarious volcano to begin with... very suddenly removing a billion tons of water from its mouth can have consequences...
 
2001-09-04 12:16:26 PM
Demosthenes: I was actually wondering about something like that myself - I mean, it's great to get rid of the danger of the water and all, but what if that water's holding back an eruption?

I have doubts about any group of farking morons who think it's a good idea to fiddle around with a highly active volcano. Yikes.
 
2001-09-04 12:22:57 PM
It's a very real threat... I have read that much of the snow melting off of Mount St Helens in the US actually greatly contributed to the eruption in May of 1980, because of the relief of the weight of the snow and ice suddenly going away with the spring thaw...

And you can be sure that the lake in Mt Pinatubo's caldera weighs a helluva lot more than the winter accumulaation of snow on the peak of Mt St Helens did...

I'm not a Vulcanologist, but basic physics is enough to tell me that they should not release this pressure suddenly. They should bleed it off over the course of several weeks... and even that may not be enough to prevent an eruption if there has been enough pressure buildup underneath, and a weakening of the caldera's crust under the lake...

*shudders*
 
2001-09-04 12:25:25 PM
I sure hope there is video of the plug removal available after tomorrow's blast.
 
2001-09-04 12:27:53 PM
Me too, BizB. However, for the safety of the camera person, I would advise him/her to place the camera in a safe location... say, Hawaii....
 
2001-09-04 12:34:58 PM
"The best laid plans of mice and men..." usually end up farking up everything.
 
2001-09-04 12:47:12 PM
I don't think the removal of this water is going to have all that much effect. Think about it. If they don't remove the water the way they are, it will overflow the lip of the volcano, collapse the rim randomely, kill a bunch of people and then all of the water flows out anyway. Just as fast, if not faster. Any effect the release of the water might have would be the same, if not worse.

Even if that were not the case causing the eruption to go off before the pressure could build up enough to blow off the rock AND the water would seem to make for a less severe eruption.
 
2001-09-04 12:51:46 PM
They should wait for New Year's Eve - it'd be the biggest uncorking EVER.

I suppose the only good thing they have going for them is that Pinatubo's big eruption was a couple years back, meaning that alot of built-up pressure has already been released. (St. Helens hadn't moved in centuries, if I remember correctly.) Still, though, the prospects of an eruption while they're draining it are a little scary. Add to the tons of rock and ash that could come flying out of the caldera the millions of gallons of water that could still be in there (either in mid-drain or lurking just under the surface), and the situation gets nastier. Nothing like a wave of hot ash, rock and steam coming down off the mountain at over 100mph to ruin your day...(their estimate of mud and ash coming down at just 25mph is a complete crock of shiat, that stuff moves WAY faster than that. Just look at the video from Montserrat).
 
2001-09-04 01:15:58 PM
"...blast away a "plug" of earth..."

"Pinatubo is classified as one of the Philippines' 22 active volcanos."

I think blasting on an active volcano might not be such a good idea.
 
2001-09-04 01:41:32 PM
My volcano is draining, too. But the doctor gave me a salve for it.
 
2001-09-04 01:43:49 PM
I'm not saying they shouldn't drain it.... I'm just saying that they need to examine the situation a bit more before just spontaneously blasting a hole in the side and emptying it all at once.

I know that pressure hasn't had time to build to a Krakatoa type level... but at this point even ANY unexpected eruption could prove more deadly than even the flooding should the caldera collapse and send the lake down into the lowlands.
 
2001-09-04 02:07:54 PM
"a violent surge of water collects mud and buries villages in up 13 feet of debris."

And this would be especially bad if you had like, just cleaned your kitchen or steamed your carpeting.

I hate 13 feet of debris. Hate it.
 
2001-09-04 03:22:54 PM
I forsee a creature saving the small villiage children... He is holding Celery and has a leg of patrick duffy!!

Visons By Vman
Inpiration from southpark
 
2001-09-04 03:25:07 PM
They did this in Mexico City 200 years ago. Now it's one of the 5 biggest cities in the world.
 
2001-09-04 08:29:11 PM
"drain the volcano", sounds like a euphamism
 
2001-09-04 08:46:14 PM
Sorta like "wrestling with the cyclops", eh? Lol....
 
2001-09-05 01:46:01 PM
Can't we all just remember-that-some-days,-ya'll-get-to-
piss-on-the-volcano-and-other-days,-dat-volcano-gonna'-
piss-on-YOU-and-aftah-readin'-dis-story-I-definetely-
sense-a-big-mofo-warm-stream-of-volcano-pee-headin'-fo'-
dem-Pinatubo-tubians along?
 
2001-09-05 07:46:11 PM
Thanx for the followup article! :)
 
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