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2003-02-05 02:05:30 PM
SWING

grab some pizza at Bellagio's?
 
2003-02-05 02:06:02 PM
Keely1116...your Mandy Moore comment has saved this thread. Congrats!
 
2003-02-05 02:07:12 PM
Well, Xtianity and Bible quotes aside, it continues to amaze me how deep the vitriole flows in those who claim enlightened thinking and/or "their God is a loving god" versus the God of the Bible.

As far as judgmental and hateful individuals go, the anti-Bible crowd is far more pernicious, if this forum is any measure to go by.

And quite narrow-minded, I might add, in their presumptions about morals, religion, and that curious-named phenomenon of "gay" lifestyle, which all-too-often proves anything but gay.

As far as the lesbian issue goes, the incidences of violence/abuse against one's household are quite high in those situations, and actually skew the stats on what is widely reported as "domestic abuse of women" and assumed to be at the hands of men.

So some of that logic quoted above about women on women is a bit rose-coloured, at best.

one quote from a law review (Murdoch):
Some studies also suggest that the rate of violence is higher in same sex relationships. A 1985 study of 1109 lesbians by Gwat-Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier reported that slightly more than half of the respondents indicated that they had been abused by a female partner.[24] Coleman, in a 1990 study of 90 lesbians reported that 46.6% had experienced repeated acts of violence. Finally, Ristock's study of 113 lesbians reported that 41% said they had been abused in one or more relationships.[25]

A tremendous amount of data/information, for those with "ears to hear", can be found by googling on +"domestic violence" +"lesbian".
 
2003-02-05 02:07:14 PM
And if there is only one god, why does Genesis say "WE created man in OUR image"?
 
2003-02-05 02:09:39 PM
Hip_about_time,
God is a difficult thing to attach a pronoun to.
 
2003-02-05 02:10:39 PM
wow, someone who sticks up for thier beliefs is crapped on.

hmmmmmmmmm. how open minded of ya'll.

you can express your *opinion* on your girl on girl action and your love of it, but if i disdain it....i am the badguy?

many of your posts speaks volumes of your character.
 
2003-02-05 02:10:46 PM
Yeah but plural is pretty clear
 
2003-02-05 02:10:53 PM
LoveInAction I don't know if you read this whole thread, but the religious debates started when DannyBibleThumper came in here screaming fire and brimstone. Also your data about abuse in gay relationships is called, "changing the subject". It's what unintelligent people do when they are losing an argument.
 
2003-02-05 02:12:16 PM
And if there is only one god, why does Genesis say "WE created man in OUR image"?

God in hebrew is plural, many Christians associate this w/ the Trinity ....others have suggested it to God and HIS angels. i believe the former, as God is a triune God (3 subsubstances/personages yet one person etc etc)

btw, flame on :/
 
2003-02-05 02:12:35 PM
DannySpaz

Your not alone.
 
2003-02-05 02:13:14 PM
i understand people use bible verses to back up arguments, but what about bible verses which aren't followed or even mentioned anymore? read the book of leviticus sometime. i don't know of any christians who follow kosher rules. or follow all those rules of 'unclean'-ness. using the bible to back up an argument is hypocritical, cos no one follows everything the bible 'tells' us to do.
 
2003-02-05 02:14:24 PM
DannySpaz: as a Christian I have one thing to say,
girl on girl action = hot there are other variables to this equation, but I don't really need to get into that here.
You insulted lesbians, and men who get turned on by lesbians with your "quotes"
 
2003-02-05 02:15:44 PM
Mandrake = Best.Christian.Ever
 
2003-02-05 02:18:00 PM
MadLeaf: I have to argue with the coroner's account stating, and I quote "the torso is unremarkable". That was one remarkable looking torso. (see http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ebridges7.html)
 
2003-02-05 02:18:38 PM
Bluesxgirl,
I agree. Jesus kind of rewrote things.
I think the old testament should have red lines struck the parts that aren't valid anymore.
 
2003-02-05 02:19:42 PM
CleanUndies:

Been with my current man for 17 years this month. Bleh! I do go to Slaughters on Tuesdays usually though. I'm the one with the hat.
 
2003-02-05 02:20:07 PM
02-05-03 02:14:24 PM Mandrake
DannySpaz: as a Christian I have one thing to say,
girl on girl action = hot there are other variables to this equation, but I don't really need to get into that here.
You insulted lesbians, and men who get turned on by lesbians with your "quotes"
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ummmmmmmm, hardly Christian to indorse such activites. still practicing? anyways.... don't me wrong, naked ladies are cute and all but wars against the flesh and mind :/


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02-05-03 02:13:14 PM Bluesxgirl
i understand people use bible verses to back up arguments, but what about bible verses which aren't followed or even mentioned anymore? read the book of leviticus sometime. i don't know of any christians who follow kosher rules. or follow all those rules of 'unclean'-ness. using the bible to back up an argument is hypocritical, cos no one follows everything the bible 'tells' us to do.
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i can't get into this but if you research, it isn't hypocritical. Jesus had some comments on this (hint: check Mark's gospel)
 
2003-02-05 02:21:28 PM
God loves lesbians and Jesus likes to watch.
 
2003-02-05 02:22:59 PM
Ebawb: thanks, I try

DannySpaz:
still practicing?
depends on what you mean by practicing.
 
2003-02-05 02:23:40 PM
I don't know if you read this whole thread, but the religious debates started when DannyBibleThumper came in here screaming fire and brimstone.

All he did was post a few quotes from the Bible. Your rage has unbalanced you.

Also your data about abuse in gay relationships is called, "changing the subject".

No, it's an elaboration of facts in contrast to the several posts of people speculating on the aesthetic aspects of women prefering women rather than men. It's called "enhancing the discussion".

It's what unintelligent people do when they are losing an argument.

No, it's what intelligent people do to broaden the scope of debate and introduce some facts to shatter the myths of some of the heretofore expressed opinions.

Actually, that last statement of yours is what unintelligent people do when they are losing an argument.

Remember the first observation from my previous post, about vitriolic people? Well, what's the term you would use for "making the adversary's argument for him"?
 
2003-02-05 02:24:08 PM
Let this be a lesson to us all: No matter who she is or how hot and smart and funny she is, somewhere there is a man who is sick of her shiat.
 
2003-02-05 02:24:21 PM
Key difference:

You look down on me because your Bible tells you to. (And no, I'm not gay.)

I look down on you because you are an idiot.

You see, unlike the majority of the pseudo-Christian flock, I am not part of a religion that preaches love. Nor do I express said love and acceptance on pain of hell or in anticipation of heavenly reward. I do so because I genuinely want to.

Which also means that, since I am not a slave to divine obedience (which I think is bullsh*t, since I refuse to believe in a creator who would tell me "love me or else," but that's an entirely different argument), I am free to treat people as I feel they deserve to be treated. By my own standard, not by your god's. And if I'm wrong, what business is it of yours? If there is a god, that will be between God and me. If I were you, I'd stop concerning myself with what other people are believing, and worry more about violating the teachings of my own messiah.

To recap:

I am am not a hypocrite because I am not violating any of my own moral standards, which I set on my own. I am perfectly tolerant of your backward, archaic views. Not accepting. Tolerant. Which means, I have no problem with you believing whatever you want to believe, just so long as you stfu about it.

And to get back on track:

Girl + girl = happiness
 
2003-02-05 02:25:12 PM
I love it when a christian disagrees with another christian and gets called non-christian for it.
 
2003-02-05 02:26:18 PM
hrm. A couple months ago I saw a bunch of not-nice-to-look-at-lesbians have a knock down drag out duke fest in a bar. They were quite abusive to each other.

They fought harder than men. Wacky shiat.

Anyway, you can have our lesbian porn when you pry the remote from my wife's cold dead hands.
 
2003-02-05 02:27:10 PM
If we (the human race) were allowed by law to create by genetic manipulation, a new race created solely to serve us ( we soooo have the tech to do this...) what woudl we tell this race about their origin.
1) We made you to be slaves your inferior, get back to work
2) Your special, we love you we made you for your glory and ours. Get back to work
3) We uugh... I am an unerring all knowing invisible god who sits in judgment of all you ever do, here are the rules, dont screw up, get back to work.
4) bend over...

Its clear to me that who ever contols the human race, does not do so in our best interest.
 
2003-02-05 02:28:43 PM
LoveInAction you dropped something on my toe. Why does that always happen to me?
 
2003-02-05 02:28:56 PM
I am am not a hypocrite because I am not violating any of my own moral standards, which I set on my own. I am perfectly tolerant of your backward, archaic views.

Well, THAT'S about as hypocritical a statement as can be seen in these forums...

which is no mean feat, by the way!
 
2003-02-05 02:32:36 PM
LoveInAction you dropped something on my toe. Why does that always happen to me?

My apologies if I've proven to be a "cause for stumbling" as it were.
 
2003-02-05 02:33:16 PM
Please, explain how.
 
2003-02-05 02:33:51 PM
Mandrake
depends on what you mean by practicing.


by that answer, no. you have no fount of living water do you?


Bardicmisfit,
you have no problem w/ people who disagree as long as they are silent? is that not imposing your view on me? if i make a comment, i am told to "STFU". not very tolerant.
 
2003-02-05 02:34:36 PM
LoveInAction: How exactly is that hypocritical?

And why the hell was religion introduced to this thread? Why do people get so wacky about a book that was written 2000 years ago by people who claimed to be hearing voices and seeing visions. You know what those same people who were called prophets back then would be called today? Delusional.
 
2003-02-05 02:35:21 PM
Bardicmisfit - like it or not, the chrisitian faith is a proselytizing religion. Part of it's point - and one of the early procedural differences that separated it from the Jewish faith - is to convert everybody to the same system of beliefs. So to be truly tolerant of Christianity is to accept those of the religion will attempt to convert you, from time to time.
 
2003-02-05 02:35:36 PM
loveinaction not exactly.
 
2003-02-05 02:36:21 PM
It's quite tolerant, actually. You seemed to be confused on the meaning of the word "tolerant."

I could be telling you that you should be believe what I believe, rather than simply expressing that I think you are incorrect and leaving it at that.

Does that sound familiar?
 
2003-02-05 02:39:18 PM
LoveInAction: How exactly is that hypocritical?

The statement was made:

I am perfectly tolerant of your backward, archaic views.

Notice the key words and the oxymoron therein.

/Please try to keep up (and I mean that in the nicest way possible ;-)
 
2003-02-05 02:39:30 PM
Alexw

I do tolerate attempts at being converted. That's generally why I have this argument with someone every month or so.

I'll again poin everyone in the general direction of the difference between "tolerate" and "accept."
 
2003-02-05 02:40:14 PM
sorry, fount of living water? I have running water, if that's what you mean. If by practicing Christian you mean going to church and praying in public, then, no I don't practice. If you mean, do as best I can to live by the basic tenets of the faith, then I do live as a Christian. most important part of my religion? treating other people as I would like to be treated.
 
2003-02-05 02:41:15 PM
I personally would create a race of Bisexual female humanoids who reproduce with Human sperm, only have babies that are like themselves, have the intellegence of yard dogs and are extrememly over sexed. I would tell them that I am their one true god, and I would love them.
 
2003-02-05 02:42:13 PM
02-05-03 02:35:36 PM Ebawb
loveinaction not exactly.


A marvelous retort! I salute your economy of words.
 
2003-02-05 02:42:14 PM
LoveInAction

Is English your first language? Or is "oxymoron" simply a word you learned today and don't quite have a handle on yet?

Being tolerant of something archaic and/or backward is something most of us do in some capacity every day.
 
2003-02-05 02:42:27 PM
Bardicmisfit - I think it was the "STFU" in an earlier comment that made me believe otherwise. If that isn't meant to mean "shut the fark up" then I misunderstood.
 
2003-02-05 02:43:02 PM
Alexw, pissing people off is not proselytizing, it's trolling. :-)
I'm not referring to you as a troll, of course.
Some of us prefer to win people over by example and discussion.
 
2003-02-05 02:43:47 PM
Mandrake: Then you are living the life that the man you believe in would wish for you, and I commend you.

Regardless of faith, stepping into a fark forum about lesbianism and quoting bible verses telling everyone that they are sinners is the internet equivalent of a Jehovah's Witness knocking on my door and asking me to read their "literature". Sure as fark either way their gettin the literal or figurative door slammed on em. Peace!
 
2003-02-05 02:44:25 PM
So when does the stoning start?

I'm waiting for some of that hot bible inspired father/daughter action...
 
2003-02-05 02:45:35 PM
tolerance does not equal acceptance. disagreement does not equal intolerance. it is neither hypocritical nor oxymoronic to be tolerant of something backwards and archaic.
 
2003-02-05 02:47:34 PM
Conceded about the point about "stfu." I think I was trying to make a point about the pseudo-Christian "I tolerate it so long as I don't have to see or hear it" ethic, and failed somewhat.

Sorry about that.

So, let me restructure that point:

If you expect me to be tolerant of a belief system that I find to be malicious and incorrect (NOT the Christian belief. Just the pseudo-Christian belief that is being displayed here as an example), than you shouldn't balk at me telling you why I disagree with it when you preach. That, after all, is part of being tolerant (One more time, different from accepting).

That doesn't make me a hypocrite. But of course, I'm fairly certain I would be called that if I answered with anything but "gosh, you're totally right! Woe betide the sinners! I'm going to go read my bible right now!" anyway.
 
2003-02-05 02:50:10 PM
Is English your first language? Or is "oxymoron" simply a word you learned today and don't quite have a handle on yet?

Well, your lance was but a straw, your barb as dull as your repartee...

according to my understanding of the word, it means contradictory terms... (and well, look at that, the dictionary says the SAME thing!)

Hence when one claims they are "tolerant", then uses abusive or disparaging language in the same breath (or in the cited case, sentence) then that would be a kind of "oxymoron".

Now I asked nicely once already: PLEASE try to keep up!

/with an emphasis on the word "please" ;-)
 
2003-02-05 02:51:09 PM
You are all wrong. You should believe what I believe.


and I believe we need more Boobies
 
2003-02-05 02:51:48 PM
Has anyone seen the link?
 
2003-02-05 02:52:05 PM
...but the god of Love hates fags, gives us cancer, burns us in hell if we are ingorent of his rituals, lets 1/3rd of all humanity live in hunger, wanted to keep birth control illegal, let there be Nazis, is all about circumsision, invented money, loves teh gold, gave us the plague, the nuke, AIDS, racism, sexism, slavery, the holocoust, the KKK (came from teh church), terrorism, WAR, torture. ect ect Oh wait he said that was all Eve's fault didnt he.
 
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