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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Foreigners give us a perspective that we overlook on our own, and Americans need to realize that not only do we seem like inexplicable prudes to the rest of the world, but inexplicable prudes with a gun fetish   (suntimes.com) divider line 197
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2009-03-28 12:05:32 PM  
Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: Rozinante: I like guns and all, but you can call off the guard. The British aren't coming back.

"The British" were "our government" at the time of the Revolution, fool. We weren't a sovereign nation invaded by another sovereign nation. We overthrew our own government when it became tyrannical.

Do they not teach this stuff in school anymore?


It's the chapter right after the one about Jesus riding a Dinosaur...
 
2009-03-28 12:05:41 PM  
Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: It is impossible to subjugate an armed population.

Perhaps you could learn something from us there, Europe.


Try growing pot, and see how subjugated you get. It doesn't matter if you are armed.

I know it's not an honest comparison, but your lives are just as much under control as anyone else on the planet. At least in a brutal dictatorship, you don't have to feel responsible for enabling it.
 
2009-03-28 12:06:42 PM  
tombotia: trifoldhat: Just for the record, I think the perception that we are all armed to the teeth, is the reason no one (terrorist) comes over here and starts crap like they do in allot of other countries. A couple of jeeps full of knuckle heads with Ak47's isn't going to be able to take over a small town like they could almost anywhere else, when even the 70 year old lady in the rocking chair is packing heat.

I seriously doubt that. The reason most people don't "invade" America is because either they're not organized enough to do it anyways, they're fundamentally decent people, or they have their own slice of life and are happy where they are doing what they're doing.

Believe it or not, not everyone sits around wishing they could be just like Americans... We're not all envious of your country or your people.

Sincerely,
Rest of the World

/from your neighbour up north, eh...


I'm not talking about all out invasions or anything like that. In many of the more enlightened areas of the world, whole towns can be taken over by a single group of armed aggressors, simply because there is no one who can fight back. Hell, every single incident where you have lots of people getting killed by one or two guys, they pick areas that they know are free of armed resistance. People with the mind set to bring harm to others, are generally very cowardly. They want to look for soft targets.
 
2009-03-28 12:09:01 PM  
Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: "The British" were "our government" at the time of the Revolution, fool. We weren't a sovereign nation invaded by another sovereign nation. We overthrew our own government when it became tyrannical.

You are right. I did pay attention in school. The part where MY country just waited the British out until they handed over the keys without loss of life. The American revolution was about money, not "freedom". Rich landowners (Washington, etc) didn't like the tax situation. Ideals are just a cover, haven't you learned that in the last 8 years?
 
2009-03-28 12:09:42 PM  
Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: Rozinante: I like guns and all, but you can call off the guard. The British aren't coming back.

"The British" were "our government" at the time of the Revolution, fool. We weren't a sovereign nation invaded by another sovereign nation. We overthrew our own government when it became tyrannical.

Do they not teach this stuff in school anymore?



"Cough" 1812 "cough"
 
2009-03-28 12:09:48 PM  
trifoldhat: I'm not talking about all out invasions or anything like that. In many of the more enlightened areas of the world, whole towns can be taken over by a single group of armed aggressors, simply because there is no one who can fight back. Hell, every single incident where you have lots of people getting killed by one or two guys, they pick areas that they know are free of armed resistance. People with the mind set to bring harm to others, are generally very cowardly. They want to look for soft targets.

The problem I have with gun nuts is that they tend not to take their responsibilities seriously. I'm totally ok with people owning guns, but they best be locked up such that kids and other idiots cannot have easy access at them [say by leaving the keys in the house or in the safe lock...].

And frankly, you can't stop bad things from happening, you can only react to make the bad thing (notice singular) stop.

Like if I wanted to, I could take a nice zero'd .30 and pick you off from a distance. You can't really stop that. And no amount of you owning a gun will stop me from sniping you. That said, an armed police force could track me down, and if found, use force to stop me.

That's a point lost on most gun nuts.
 
2009-03-28 12:12:00 PM  
Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: It is impossible to subjugate an armed population.

The War Between The States called and wants to know when you'll be getting in touch again.

Bees are livestock: the 2nd amendment, what I call freedom

That "feeling" is the power to murder. Congrats, you perverted some innocents. Invade? Why bother? Slow collapse from within is common enough in a corrupted system.

Insert "self-defense & freedom" symptom/disease denial, here ____________.

/From your cold, dead common sense.

Oldiron_79:
If I gave a rat's ass what the Europeans think of us I'd just move to Europe.

Perhaps you could convince your countrymen to stay the hell home, too.
Love,
Vietnam, Grenada, Iraq and who's next.

"If they don't do what we want, they deserve it" rationalisations here ____________.

/You are weird, you know. You just can't see it from inside the bubble.
 
2009-03-28 12:12:15 PM  
farfigneugan: quarter_witted: farfigneugan: The typical american, when told how retarded america is, doesn't understand. This is because when they think "not america" they think Mexico and the middle east.

In other news, most americans are retarded.

It was well understood retard, Mexico didn't even cross my mind.
Well retard, when it's pointed out how ridiculous most americans are, you apparently thought of the middle east and your vodka.

Yup, you're right, Americans are ridiculous.
Link (new window)
wonder what country has this and that?
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oh, and pron there has to be mosaic? I am a retard. All hail the douchebag name thrower.
 
2009-03-28 12:14:58 PM  
Stereotypes exist for a reason. There are a lot of prudish gun nuts in America, yes. Does that automatically make them bad people? No. Many places in the world, notably Europe, are much more open about nudity but don't hold with guns at all. Does that make them bad people? No. Bashing America (or Europe) is for small minded people who don't even attempt to understand what they are bashing. That said, I'll keep my guns.
 
2009-03-28 12:17:57 PM  
lizardcowgal: Stereotypes exist for a reason. There are a lot of prudish gun nuts in America, yes. Does that automatically make them bad people? No. Many places in the world, notably Europe, are much more open about nudity but don't hold with guns at all. Does that make them bad people? No. Bashing America (or Europe) is for small minded people who don't even attempt to understand what they are bashing. That said, I'll keep my guns.

Stereotypes exist because people are lazy and ignorant.

I know quite a few americans, none of whom own a firearm. Whereas, I'm Canadian and there are family members [and friends] in my circle of people I know that have firearms. In fact, per capita, Canada has more firearms than Americans. How's that for a statistic.

But yet Americans get labeled with the gun-nut affection so often, and Canada not so much.

And it's not like we don't have gun violence here, or violence period. A few months ago someone SAWED OFF ANOTHER PERSONS HEAD on a bus.

In short, if you think all Americans are gun-toting nutbags, it's because you're an ignorant twat and need to pull your head out of your arse.
 
2009-03-28 12:18:00 PM  
All that repressed sexuality has to go somewhere.

Get some guns and start hating everyone who isn't farked up in the same way you are!

It's the American Way!
 
2009-03-28 12:19:35 PM  
Not all Americans are bound and tied by irrational mysticism and belief in nonexistent supernatural entities. Or, to credit the Deists, not all Americans believe in specific supernatural entities that demand worship, abasement, and suffering as payment to cross the threshold of the afterlife. For more Americans than most Europeans think, life is at least 99% secular.

As for guns, Americans keep guns because there is a cultural mentality that you take care of yourself and your own family. Americans do not trust their "communities" to do it for them, and with good reason: because the country is a melting pot and there is so much mobility, people don't have the same stake in their homes and communities that they would in Europe. Go to a small hamlet in western Germany and you will find families who have lived next door to one another for fifteen generations. Go to Arizona and you'll find a state that hasn't EXISTED for fifteen generations, and with a majority of inhabitants that came from a variety of different other places.

In the most practical sense, I keep a firearm at home because if my family is attacked, I can't use Europe's good opinion of me to fire back. I'm going to need a gun to do that.
 
2009-03-28 12:19:43 PM  
tombotia: lizardcowgal: Stereotypes exist for a reason. There are a lot of prudish gun nuts in America, yes. Does that automatically make them bad people? No. Many places in the world, notably Europe, are much more open about nudity but don't hold with guns at all. Does that make them bad people? No. Bashing America (or Europe) is for small minded people who don't even attempt to understand what they are bashing. That said, I'll keep my guns.

Stereotypes exist because people are lazy and ignorant.

I know quite a few americans, none of whom own a firearm. Whereas, I'm Canadian and there are family members [and friends] in my circle of people I know that have firearms. In fact, per capita, Canada has more firearms than Americans. How's that for a statistic.

But yet Americans get labeled with the gun-nut affection so often, and Canada not so much.

And it's not like we don't have gun violence here, or violence period. A few months ago someone SAWED OFF ANOTHER PERSONS HEAD on a bus.

In short, if you think all Americans are gun-toting nutbags, it's because you're an ignorant twat and need to pull your head out of your arse.


Did you read beyond the first sentence of my post?
 
2009-03-28 12:20:28 PM  
lizardcowgal: Did you read beyond the first sentence of my post?

To be honest, no. If you can't make your point in the first ... hey look butterflies!!!
 
2009-03-28 12:22:33 PM  
tombotia: trifoldhat: I'm not talking about all out invasions or anything like that. In many of the more enlightened areas of the world, whole towns can be taken over by a single group of armed aggressors, simply because there is no one who can fight back. Hell, every single incident where you have lots of people getting killed by one or two guys, they pick areas that they know are free of armed resistance. People with the mind set to bring harm to others, are generally very cowardly. They want to look for soft targets.

The problem I have with gun nuts is that they tend not to take their responsibilities seriously. I'm totally ok with people owning guns, but they best be locked up such that kids and other idiots cannot have easy access at them [say by leaving the keys in the house or in the safe lock...].

And frankly, you can't stop bad things from happening, you can only react to make the bad thing (notice singular) stop.

Like if I wanted to, I could take a nice zero'd .30 and pick you off from a distance. You can't really stop that. And no amount of you owning a gun will stop me from sniping you. That said, an armed police force could track me down, and if found, use force to stop me.

That's a point lost on most gun nuts.


Even well trained armies fear snipers. (new window) I'm just saying, that I think the perception that we are heavily armed, is a deterrent to some of the things I see happen in other parts of the world, by small groups of aggressive attackers.
 
2009-03-28 12:27:25 PM  
My family in the States have little problem with nudity. My family in Europe have guns. Stereotypes are meh.
 
2009-03-28 12:28:19 PM  
trifoldhat: "Cough" 1812 "cough"

The 2nd Amendment was not written in the aftermath of the War of 1812. It was written in the aftermath of the American Revolution.

barefoot in the head: The War Between The States called and wants to know when you'll be getting in touch again.

Obviously it's possible to lose a war. What happened after the Civil War wasn't subjugation in the sense we're talking about though. The South was reincorporated into the Union, the citizens were treated as equal citizens, given voting rights, the right to hold office, property rights, etc. If the North had labelled them second class citizens, removed their voting rights, quartered soldiers in their homes, taxed them to death, etc. you had better believe the civilian population would have fought back even after the war was over. Sure they didn't agree with everything the government did, but they weren't being denied what they perceived as their natural rights by some non-representative leviathan government. They weren't being carted off by the Gestapo or shot by some communist officer in the street. That's what we're talking about when we say "subjugation" and yes, it is impossible to subjugate an armed population.
 
2009-03-28 12:29:13 PM  
trifoldhat: Even well trained armies fear snipers. (new window) I'm just saying, that I think the perception that we are heavily armed, is a deterrent to some of the things I see happen in other parts of the world, by small groups of aggressive attackers.

Not really. Even if I did murder someone, I have the right to a fair trial, and in most states I wouldn't even face execution.

I think the existence of the national guard/police force is more a deterrent to rampant runaway violence than say ordinary citizens who carry weapons...

Well and most people are decent enough to not even consider harming others. Even if they are otherwise self-centered douchebags.
 
2009-03-28 12:32:05 PM  
Stereotypes are frequently and consistently tragically, tragically accurate. Does that mean they fit every case? No. Are they useful? My psychology professor once answered my question with "There is no way we could live without stereotypes."

If it looks like a tiger...you may want to assume it's a tiger at first.
 
2009-03-28 12:34:05 PM  
tombotia: I think the existence of the national guard/police force is more a deterrent to rampant runaway violence than say ordinary citizens who carry weapons...

The police can't save you if somebody breaks into your house or tries to rob you. All they can do is write the report later. Only a personal firearm can save you in those situations. And what do we do when the police force becomes a tool of an abusive government? Maybe it's not likely in the next quarter or half century, but conceivably in the next century or two things could change and the American people would be damn glad they retained their gun rights.
 
2009-03-28 12:40:33 PM  
I would never consider harming anyone with a firearm. There are people out there that do not share my opinion. I have the right to protect myself and property and my neighbors property here in Texas.

I wish the world was safe but its not . I consider owning a gun just keeping the odds even.

I do love the boobies more than the guns
 
2009-03-28 12:40:47 PM  
Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: tombotia: I think the existence of the national guard/police force is more a deterrent to rampant runaway violence than say ordinary citizens who carry weapons...

The police can't save you if somebody breaks into your house or tries to rob you. All they can do is write the report later. Only a personal firearm can save you in those situations. And what do we do when the police force becomes a tool of an abusive government? Maybe it's not likely in the next quarter or half century, but conceivably in the next century or two things could change and the American people would be damn glad they retained their gun rights.


Oh mon dieu, not this argument...

Now again, explain to me how a properly locked and stored firearm is a useful tool in the case of a night time home invasion?

Then I suggest you look up the statistics of how many people who get shot AND own a firearm actually end up getting shot with their own firearm.

There's nothing wrong with owning a firearm, but if you actually store it legally, it's totally useless in a home invasion. And if you store it unlocked you're just asking for trouble anyways.
 
2009-03-28 12:41:14 PM  
Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox
And what do we do when the police force becomes a tool of an abusive government?

And what when the armed population becomes a tool of an abusive government?

You don't need an unarmed population for subjugation, you just need working propaganda channels and nationalistic brainwashing; and that's something that seems to work pretty well in the US.
 
2009-03-28 12:41:49 PM  
tombotia: Not really. Even if I did murder someone, I have the right to a fair trial, and in most states I wouldn't even face execution.

upload.wikimedia.org

Red indicates states with the death penalty.
 
2009-03-28 12:42:23 PM  
Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: And what do we do when the police force becomes a tool of an abusive government?

This is already the case for people living in Maricopa County, AZ, (Phoenix metro) under the crushing boot of Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

If Joe's thugs come knocking, they won't be interested in talking. They show up in ski masks with shotguns. I will be taking to the hills with my family, firearm in hand. If I'm lucky, they will never come knocking... but as Phoenicians have learned in recent years, even living lawfully is no guarantee that won't happen.
 
2009-03-28 12:43:35 PM  
The Voice of Doom: And what when the armed population becomes a tool of an abusive government?

You don't need an unarmed population for subjugation, you just need working propaganda channels and nationalistic brainwashing


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2009-03-28 12:49:58 PM  
clusterfrak: Right now I am agreeing with them. Here in Sacramento one topless bar closed down and another became a Bikini Bar. The county is trying to get rid of lap dancing which is the girls bread and butter.

I find that funny since they did the same thing to shut down most of the strip clubs in Atlanta because they wanted to attract more conventions and these clubs didnt show the city in a good light.

F*cking morons, those great strip clubs were the reason they were coming to Atlanta to spend their convention money, it sure wasnt because of our friendly city.

But I dont think we are prudes, just because we make bestiality illegal is not a flaw, quite a few places in europe see nothing wrong with that type of sex.
 
2009-03-28 12:53:08 PM  
tombotia: Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: tombotia: I think the existence of the national guard/police force is more a deterrent to rampant runaway violence than say ordinary citizens who carry weapons...

The police can't save you if somebody breaks into your house or tries to rob you. All they can do is write the report later. Only a personal firearm can save you in those situations. And what do we do when the police force becomes a tool of an abusive government? Maybe it's not likely in the next quarter or half century, but conceivably in the next century or two things could change and the American people would be damn glad they retained their gun rights.

Oh mon dieu, not this argument...

Now again, explain to me how a properly locked and stored firearm is a useful tool in the case of a night time home invasion?

Then I suggest you look up the statistics of how many people who get shot AND own a firearm actually end up getting shot with their own firearm.

There's nothing wrong with owning a firearm, but if you actually store it legally, it's totally useless in a home invasion. And if you store it unlocked you're just asking for trouble anyways.


In the 2008 case Heller v. District of Columbia, the Supreme Court ruled that there is a right to immediate self defense and that such cumbersome storage/gun lock rules are unconstitutional, so your argument is both self-defeating and legally flawed.

I don't know what statistics you are referring to, but it's essentially irrelevant. If people want to take the risk of getting shot with their own weapon because they have made the personal judgment that the risk of getting robbed is worse, that is their right. You do not get to make that decision for them or legislate away their liberty to do so, that is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. I also know plenty of people who are well trained with their firearms, have used them in self-defense, and have never shot themselves.
 
2009-03-28 12:53:22 PM  
reminds me of when I satyed in ireland for a week they were pleasantly suprised to see I wasn't like the americans on jerry springer. It's whatever venue they see the face of our country. as someone pointed out earlier, I guess this post was pointless.
 
2009-03-28 12:53:27 PM  
...inexplicable prudes with a gun fetish...

they say that like it is a bad thing
 
2009-03-28 12:55:11 PM  
tombotia: Oh mon dieu, not this argument...

Now again, explain to me how a properly locked and stored firearm is a useful tool in the case of a night time home invasion?

Then I suggest you look up the statistics of how many people who get shot AND own a firearm actually end up getting shot with their own firearm.

There's nothing wrong with owning a firearm, but if you actually store it legally, it's totally useless in a home invasion. And if you store it unlocked you're just asking for trouble anyways.


Those stats are not nearly as much as you think, and the people they save are larger than reported. And storing a gun in a safe and locked place means locking the bedroom door when the kids are home. There is no asking for any kind of trouble if you are a trained gun owner.

thamike: tombotia: Not really. Even if I did murder someone, I have the right to a fair trial, and in most states I wouldn't even face execution.


Red indicates states with the death penalty.


Well if you shoot someone in your house or threatening you in those states there is no way they would send you to the gas chamber.
 
2009-03-28 12:59:14 PM  
tombotia

There's nothing wrong with owning a firearm, but if you actually store it legally...

What does this even mean? There's no legal requirement in most states to lock your guns up in a safe or anything.
 
2009-03-28 12:59:57 PM  
steamingpile: Well if you shoot someone in your house or threatening you in those states there is no way they would send you to the gas chamber.

That has nothing to do with what I was replying to.
 
2009-03-28 01:06:37 PM  
Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: In the 2008 case Heller v. District of Columbia, the Supreme Court ruled that there is a right to immediate self defense and that such cumbersome storage/gun lock rules are unconstitutional, so your argument is both self-defeating and legally flawed.

Well if you're ok with keeping unlocked firearms around toddlers and what not. Then by all means go ahead.

I don't know what statistics you are referring to, but it's essentially irrelevant. If people want to take the risk of getting shot with their own weapon because they have made the personal judgment that the risk of getting robbed is worse, that is their right. You do not get to make that decision for them or legislate away their liberty to do so, that is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. I also know plenty of people who are well trained with their firearms, have used them in self-defense, and have never shot themselves.

Believe what you want, if someone wants you dead, that's the end of it. That's how fragile life is, and that's why most people respect it.

Only a complete lunatic thinks they're above that.
 
2009-03-28 01:07:26 PM  
Americans are sexual prudes. Right. Tell that to Saudi Arabia, all of Africa, Qatar, China, Vietnam, Mexico, etc.

Just accept that most countries are far more sexually conservative than America. Why this myth persists aside from 3-4 countries in Europe is wishful, liberal thinking of the oh-those-Europeans-are-so-much-more-enlightened variety. Hell, you can get land mines, AK-47s, and virtually any weapon you want in the above countries.
 
2009-03-28 01:07:54 PM  
Geezus breakdancing Christ... another paranoid gun nut thread. Did any of you people have issues with the monster in the bed or closet when you were little? Here's a little heads up: there is no monster under the bed. There is no monster in the closet. There is no gang member waiting to rape your daughter (she's probably giving it up to him anyway). There are no rampaging hordes of "those people" waiting for the chance to storm your home and take all your chewing tobbacco and beer. There is no grand and ebil librul guv'mint conspiracy to take away all yer gunz.

I grew up in some of the worst neighborhoods in philly and served overseas with the military in the 80's, and saw stuff that would make Joe suburb fill his Depends several times over... yet still I am not so paranoid as to need a gun "for my personal protection" the way some folks here seem to. No, I'm not talking about those who have and use guns for sport - that's a whole different vibe. I'm talking about those people who are so afraid of life that they must all believe that "they" are out there, just waiting to do them harm. Just weld yourself in a steel box whydontcha?

No one else, JUST THEM... because they're special.

Sometimes... sometimes you need to look in from the outside to see the truth. Janet Jackson flashes a tit and people go batshiat crazy, but wouldn't have thought twice if Timberlake had whacked her across the head with an aluminum bat after their song. They might have even cheered. Them furriners are right... this place is insane.
 
2009-03-28 01:09:21 PM  
Facetious_Speciest: tombotia

There's nothing wrong with owning a firearm, but if you actually store it legally...

What does this even mean? There's no legal requirement in most states to lock your guns up in a safe or anything.


In Canada firearms have to be locked with trigger locks on them. Trying to find your keys at 3am when I'm already standing over you with a pistol is a bit pointless isn't it?

That's the difference between american and Canadian gun zealots. American think they NEED guns for self-defense [esp. from other people], whereas Canadians think they should have access to guns for sports and entertainment [and occasionally shooting the random stray bear that wanders into your front yard].

In short, you come off way more paranoid than reality permits.
 
2009-03-28 01:17:53 PM  
tombotia: Believe what you want, if someone wants you dead, that's the end of it. That's how fragile life is, and that's why most people respect it.

Only a complete lunatic thinks they're above that.


Nobody is arguing that owning a gun makes the owner invincible or unable to be killed if somebody wants them dead. That's ludicrous. It's like saying, "Why do you wear your seatbelt in the car, you could crash an be killed anyway! Are you so stupid as to think that the seatbelt will always save your life, every time? And what about situations in which the seatbelt could suffocate you or prevent you from exiting the vehicle if you had to." You can see the logical absurdies there, yet you are committing the same exact fallacy as in that silly argument just because the topic is gun rights, which you happen to dislike.

The point is that in many specific types of scenarios, a well-trained gun owner will be safer or able to intervene and save other people. Also, in a broader sense, an armed population is a check against tyranny. Those are the main reasons why Americans own guns, they have been proven legitimate over and over again by history, crime rates have decreased drastically in this country as gun ownership continues to increase, the bird has receded back into my beard, we can all watch the movie now, shut up.
 
2009-03-28 01:24:58 PM  
tombotia

In Canada firearms have to be locked with trigger locks on them.

Ah. Obviously, this isn't the case for your southern co-continentalists.

In short, you come off way more paranoid than reality permits.

Reality seems to permit any level of paranoia. No one's been poofed in a cosmic paradox for being paranoid.

I'm under the impression that Canadians have around the same number of people with guns as the States. Saying "we have them because we like shooting, you have them because you're all pussies" is a bit simplistic.
 
2009-03-28 01:26:07 PM  
Claiming to own guns for "self-defense" is just like claiming to wear fashionable sunglasses "to protect the eyes." You know why you do it, and it has nothing to do with protection and everything to do with wanting to look cool. It's OK to admit that, too. Man up.
 
2009-03-28 01:30:47 PM  
thamike

Claiming to own guns for "self-defense" is just like claiming to wear fashionable sunglasses "to protect the eyes." You know why you do it, and it has nothing to do with protection and everything to do with wanting to look cool. It's OK to admit that, too. Man up.

So does one wear a t-shirt saying "I have guns?"

The majority of the States and Europe aren't commonly open-carry.
 
2009-03-28 01:32:26 PM  
Facetious_Speciest: So does one wear a t-shirt saying "I have guns?"

The majority of the States and Europe aren't commonly open-carry.


What?
 
2009-03-28 01:33:16 PM  
thamike: Claiming to own guns for "self-defense" is just like claiming to wear fashionable sunglasses "to protect the eyes." You know why you do it, and it has nothing to do with protection and everything to do with wanting to look cool. It's OK to admit that, too. Man up.

Your analogy is flawed. A more appropriate analogy would be:

Sunglasses: Designer Sunglasses
Guns: Big/flashy guns

The first serves a legitimate functional purpose, while the second has been modified for superficial, aesthetic reasons.

It's okay, we can't all score above 500 verbal on the SAT.
 
2009-03-28 01:33:44 PM  
thamike

What?

Really. They're not.
 
2009-03-28 01:34:38 PM  
eddyatwork: I never understood why a movie gets an instant R-rating if a woman is shown making love and her boobies are showing but it's only a PG if she gets her head cut off with a chainsaw.

Because the Europeans shipped all their puritan retards over here. That's why a movie showing a blood soaked massacre is ok but the natural curves of a woman are strangely verboten.
 
2009-03-28 01:36:33 PM  
rewind2846: Geezus breakdancing Christ... another paranoid gun nut thread. Did any of you people have issues with the monster in the bed or closet when you were little? Here's a little heads up: there is no monster under the bed. There is no monster in the closet. There is no gang member waiting to rape your daughter (she's probably giving it up to him anyway). There are no rampaging hordes of "those people" waiting for the chance to storm your home and take all your chewing tobbacco and beer. There is no grand and ebil librul guv'mint conspiracy to take away all yer gunz.

I grew up in some of the worst neighborhoods in philly and served overseas with the military in the 80's, and saw stuff that would make Joe suburb fill his Depends several times over... yet still I am not so paranoid as to need a gun "for my personal protection" the way some folks here seem to. No, I'm not talking about those who have and use guns for sport - that's a whole different vibe. I'm talking about those people who are so afraid of life that they must all believe that "they" are out there, just waiting to do them harm. Just weld yourself in a steel box whydontcha?

No one else, JUST THEM... because they're special.

Sometimes... sometimes you need to look in from the outside to see the truth. Janet Jackson flashes a tit and people go batshiat crazy, but wouldn't have thought twice if Timberlake had whacked her across the head with an aluminum bat after their song. They might have even cheered. Them furriners are right... this place is insane.


Do you have any actual rational arguments, that are not entirely composed of vague assertions and strawman attacks, to offer?
 
2009-03-28 01:37:10 PM  
Clearly people who haven't been to America would ask that question. They can't fully appreciate the how obese most Americans are without having seen it first hand. Let 'em get a big ol' eyeful of that, forget naked, and then they'd thank their lucky stars that we'd rather shoot people than look at that.

/ain't enough eye bleach for everyone, shootings would probably increase in direct proportion to any nudity
 
2009-03-28 01:38:23 PM  
thamike: Claiming to own guns for "self-defense" is just like claiming to wear fashionable sunglasses "to protect the eyes." You know why you do it, and it has nothing to do with protection and everything to do with wanting to look cool. It's OK to admit that, too. Man up.

In fact, I wear sunglasses because I experience photophobia. Your assertion is essentially an unfounded, baseless and presumptuous accusation.
 
2009-03-28 01:40:40 PM  
Facetious_Speciest: Really. They're not.

No. My point was that gun-nuts who act all paranoid only own guns to feel like badasses. It has nothing to do with actual danger. Sunglasses are the same in a loose facetious way. Jeez, some people have no sense of humor.

BTW, only 7 states and D.C. have made open-carry unlawful.

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: It's okay, we can't all score above 500 verbal on the SAT.

That reference is even worse than mine.

/1300, smartass.
 
2009-03-28 01:41:09 PM  
tombotia: trifoldhat: I'm not talking about all out invasions or anything like that. In many of the more enlightened areas of the world, whole towns can be taken over by a single group of armed aggressors, simply because there is no one who can fight back. Hell, every single incident where you have lots of people getting killed by one or two guys, they pick areas that they know are free of armed resistance. People with the mind set to bring harm to others, are generally very cowardly. They want to look for soft targets.

The problem I have with gun nuts is that they tend not to take their responsibilities seriously. I'm totally ok with people owning guns, but they best be locked up such that kids and other idiots cannot have easy access at them [say by leaving the keys in the house or in the safe lock...].

And frankly, you can't stop bad things from happening, you can only react to make the bad thing (notice singular) stop.

Like if I wanted to, I could take a nice zero'd .30 and pick you off from a distance. You can't really stop that. And no amount of you owning a gun will stop me from sniping you. That said, an armed police force could track me down, and if found, use force to stop me.

That's a point lost on most gun nuts.


And a point lost on you obviously is that sniper attacks are so rare compared to home invasions that there is really no point in even talking about them. Do you want to be able to defend yourself and your family if someone intent on doing harm to you enters your house or do you want to just wait for the police and hope for the best ? Just because someone wants to protect themselves and their family it doesn't mean that they are a "gun nut".
 
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