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2009-03-27 02:00:53 PM  
Oh, I totally forgot about Demonic Deviltry, a parody of Chick's "Dark Dungeons," released as a promotion for White Wolf's Demon: The Fallen RPG.
 
2009-03-27 02:07:37 PM  
cthellis: BeefyT: I'm gonna need some proof...of the absolute kind.

Why do you even bother refreshing this thread? You have no absolute proof that anyone will have updated. Or that Fark.com will still be online.


I don't have any proof, but I have faith that someone will have updated and that Fark will still be online...and sure enough!
 
2009-03-27 02:16:29 PM  
VonAether: Oh, I totally forgot about Demonic Deviltry, a parody of Chick's "Dark Dungeons," released as a promotion for White Wolf's Demon: The Fallen RPG.

Dan Clowes did a parody of this tract in Eightball long ago, as well. I think it was called "Hash Hobbit." Can't find it online.
 
2009-03-27 02:17:50 PM  
You still don't HAVE absolute proof that Fark was updated, of course...

Fark servers may instead be made of cauliflower. (Run on IBM's BrassicaceaeGene/L processors, of course.)
 
2009-03-27 02:23:18 PM  
Evolution

Strength: It is easily observable by the most dimwitted fool.

Weaknesses: It doesn't explain the origin of life. It isn't in the Bible.
 
2009-03-27 02:23:56 PM  
Renart: Dan Clowes did a parody of this tract in Eightball long ago, as well. I think it was called "Hash Hobbit." Can't find it online.

I thought it was "Devil Doll," which one could find in his Lout Rampage! collection.
 
CDP [TotalFark]
2009-03-27 02:25:08 PM  
BeefyT: Lord_Baull: Until there is absolute proof, I am not willing to draw any conclusions at all. Both of these articles are "in theory."

I guess I should post this again:
There were puddles of liquid in front of my house last night.
I didn't see how it got there, but I heard loud, sharp noises last night. And there's similar liquid on my roof and in my trees. Strangely, the sky was covered with dark clouds.
Since I wasn't there to witness the event, I can only assume it was Intelligent Crying.

Or do you need absolute proof before you decide it rained last night?

I'm gonna need some proof...of the absolute kind.

/This is getting too easy


You seemed to have overlooked my post to you at
2009-03-27 01:27:21 PM

The highlights were: Accumulated evidence can provide support, validation and substantiation for a law or theory, but will never prove those laws and theories to be true.

Reading comprehension you should check it out.

i132.photobucket.com
 
2009-03-27 02:28:46 PM  
BeefyT: I'm gonna need some proof...of the absolute kind.

www.absolutads.com
 
2009-03-27 02:29:57 PM  
cthellis: Renart: Dan Clowes did a parody of this tract in Eightball long ago, as well. I think it was called "Hash Hobbit." Can't find it online.

I thought it was "Devil Doll," which one could find in his Lout Rampage! collection.


You're right. I think "hash hobbit" was a line in it, or maybe an intelligent designer just put the phrase in my brain.
 
2009-03-27 02:33:41 PM  
cthellis: You still don't HAVE absolute proof that Fark was updated, of course...

Fark servers may instead be made of cauliflower. (Run on IBM's BrassicaceaeGene/L processors, of course.)


This is true; they may in fact be made of cauliflower. Good point. I am noticing some hostility in you. It seems like you are a lot like those damned religious nuts who get upset when someone states something contrary to their beliefs. Who knows, I can't prove it, I may be wrong.
 
2009-03-27 02:34:40 PM  
Renart: You're right. I think "hash hobbit" was a line in it, or maybe an intelligent designer just put the phrase in my brain.

An Intelligent Toker?
 
2009-03-27 02:38:18 PM  
abb3w: BeefyT: I'm gonna need some proof...of the absolute kind.

Puzzle solved! With Jesus juice...
 
2009-03-27 02:39:05 PM  
BeefyT: This is true; they may in fact be made of cauliflower. Good point. I am noticing some hostility in you. It seems like you are a lot like those damned religious nuts who get upset when someone states something contrary to their beliefs. Who knows, I can't prove it, I may be wrong.

Project much?

I'm just curious how you can require "absolute proof" for anything, as it is possible to use pretty much nowhere other than pure logic, and it's not a standard of proof we hold ourselves to in regards to... well... just about everything.

I mean, if you've been smoking banana peels and having a lengthy conversation about solipsism it might come up, but everywhere else it's pretty functionless.
 
2009-03-27 02:41:07 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-03-27 02:45:30 PM  
Scientific theory != theology.

Gravity is scientific theory. farking nitwits.
 
2009-03-27 02:49:02 PM  
FloydA: Lord_Baull: How fragile is your god that man's science may diminish him so greatly?

Reliable sources within the creationist community assure us that their god can be defeated by tin foil.
Not much of a God, really.


Goddamn man, it's a laugh a minute riot with you.
 
2009-03-27 02:51:28 PM  
Highroller48:

i224.photobucket.com
 
2009-03-27 03:03:55 PM  
cthellis: I'm just curious how you can require "absolute proof" for anything, as it is possible to use pretty much nowhere other than pure logic

Also used in pure math, although some pure math uses "proof" in the probabilistic sense. And in both pure logic and pure math, the proofs require initial statements of premises held axiomatically true... "on faith" as it were.

www.euclideanspace.comwww.euclideanspace.comwww.euclideanspace.com
 
2009-03-27 03:05:02 PM  
GilRuiz1: Highroller48:

Oh, do tell us what the bottom one is. This should be good.
 
2009-03-27 03:12:15 PM  
i277.photobucket.com
 
2009-03-27 03:12:28 PM  
PC LOAD LETTER: GilRuiz1: Highroller48:

Oh, do tell us what the bottom one is. This should be good.


The Nobel ceremony.
 
2009-03-27 03:23:11 PM  
GilRuiz1: i224.photobucket.com

False equivalency. Your version of that image fails to actually address anything. In the original image, the point being addressed is that the common refrain from televised personalities that "Christianity is under attack!" is a bunch of bullshiat. There is no campaign of oppression going on, get over yourselves.

Your image replaces a church with the Nobel ceremony, which is fine, but see - no one claims the Nobel program is being persecuted. You hear the refrain that 'science is under attack', but no one considers this persecution, and besides as TFA reminds us, it's true.

To examine this further, I googled "Christian, under attack" and "Science, under attack"

"We are, after all, a society that abides abortion on demand, has killed millions of innocent children, degrades the institution of marriage and often treats Christianity like some second-rate superstition. Seen from this perspective of course there is a war on Christianity." Tom Delay

"One way we can recognize where the devil is as work is in the attack on the Word of God, the Bible. This seems to be coming at us from all directions - in both conservative and liberal factions of the visible church. There's nothing new under the sun; Satan has always cast doubt upon God's Word in an effort to deceive God's people."
Some Person

"Oklahoma State Representative, Sally Kern, is under attack by anti-Christian homosexual hate groups, such as the so-called "Human Rights Campaign" and the "Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund," for addressing the dangers posed to American culture by militant homosexual activism and celebration of the homosexual lifestyle. These groups have dispatched their minions in an effort to intimidate and embarrass Rep. Kern. Investigators are even looking into potential death threats against the lawmaker and she has been assigned a bodyguard. Matt Barber, CWA's Policy Director for Cultural Issues, spoke with Rep. Kern and with Peter LaBarbera, President of Americans for Truth, about the hateful words and thinly veiled threats Rep. Kern has been forced to endure over the past few days." - Concerned Women For America

(recall, this is after she said "Studies show that no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted more than, you know, a few decades. So it's the death knell of this country. I honestly think it's the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam - which I think is a big threat, okay? Cause what's happening now is they are going after, in schools, two-year olds...And this stuff is deadly, and it's spreading, and it will destroy our young people, it will destroy this nation."
Who is being persecuted here exactly?)


"Christians are being discriminated against in Britain at an unprecedented rate; this time by being forced to promote islam and gay rights, which is an outright attack on a Christian's conscience and biblical beliefs and an outright attack on Christianity as a whole. We are now at a crossroads in human history fighting for the very survival of Christian values and our beliefs in western and supposedly civilized nations and Christians must stand their ground, walk by faith and prepare for persecution as they boldly proclaim the Gospel of Christ." Some Blogger

I could go on.

Now let us take a look at those google results for the other search:

"The punch line of Krauss' talk is that the physicists should be evangelizing everyone else. The attack on evolution is really an attack on science, Krauss argues.

Well, this also seems as too strong a generalization to me. We could also argue that Krauss' latest book is not just an attack against modern high-energy theoretical physics but an attack against science as such."
Some Speech Reviewer


"Baltimore warned that the doctrine opens the way for "an exertion of executive hegemony over science". He called on researchers to "fight for a very different doctrine" under which "the executive's role is to defend intellectual freedom". In the light of the Bush administration's adherence to this philosophy, he added: "It is no accident that we are seeing such an extensive suppression of science." From someone of Baltimore's experience and reputation, these are strong words.

For science to flourish it needs settings that support freedom of enquiry, and the creation of such settings was a great achievement of the Enlightenment. Protecting them is vital, not just for science but for all of humanity."
Nature Magazine

AUSTIN, Tex. - The latest round in a long-running battle over how evolution should be taught in Texas schools began in earnest Wednesday as the State Board of Education heard impassioned testimony from scientists and social conservatives on revising the science curriculum. EducationChange Blog

The battle over public access to scientific literature stretches back to the late 1990s when Nobel Prize winner Harold Varmus began plans for PubMed Central-a repository for all research resulting from National Institutes of Health (NIH) funding-and, a few years later, launched the Public Library of Science (PLoS). These easily accessible journals and repositories have struck fear into the hearts of traditional publishers, who have enlisted the "pit bull" of public relations to fight back, reports news@nature. Scientific American



Do we see the difference here? We've got people claiming that Satan the Deceiver is purposefully creating a world hostile to Christianity and persecuting those who stand up for His Word, versus people who are claiming that Bush the Incapable was purposefully undermining scientific freedom, and publishers are trying to stem FreeAccess journals.

Thus, I conclude your image addresses nothing, while the original remains a topical and rather poignant reminder:

ozatheist.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-03-27 03:24:06 PM  
colon_pow: maddogdelta: colon_pow: student: teacher, why are there no transitional fossils?

There are plenty of transitional fossils. Every species is in transition, so any fossil you find is transitional.

oh that's rich Maddog.

here's another.

student: teacher, why was protein found in T-rex fossils when they are supposed to be millions of years old?

teacher: shut up. never ask that question in public school again. it's against the law. don't make me report you.


I am curious; is your position so intellectually bankrupt that you are only able to argue through the use of "strawman" representations, rather than through a direct addressing of reality?
 
2009-03-27 03:24:06 PM  
GilRuiz1: PC LOAD LETTER: GilRuiz1: Highroller48:

Oh, do tell us what the bottom one is. This should be good.

The Nobel ceremony.


Awesome. So, looking at the kernel of the picture, you are trying to say that the Nobel Prize Committee is claiming persecution (which it isn't) as a way of saying science is claiming persecution (which isn't a "thing" to claim anything in a unified voice). The truth is that BOTH sides think the other is being attacked by the other. Many scientists think that Religion is trying to force itself into science classes. It is. The religious people think that Science is trying to diminish the bible. It isn't. BUT FACTS ARE.
 
2009-03-27 03:24:20 PM  
student: teacher, why did scientists fake the piltdown man, lucy, nebraska man and neanderthal man? why don't they show the famous horse series anymore?

teacher: do not question the THEORY
 
2009-03-27 03:26:17 PM  
GilRuiz1: PC LOAD LETTER: GilRuiz1: Highroller48:

Oh, do tell us what the bottom one is. This should be good.

The Nobel ceremony.


Just for added fun;

"Nobel, under attack"

"The harassment of Nobel Peace Prize recipient] Mrs. Aung San Suu Kyi and her party, the National League for Democracy, has gradually increased, culminating on Friday in a violent attack on her traveling convoy that killed 4 and injured 50, according to the government (the opposition says the figures are much higher). There are reports that Mrs. Aung San Suu Kyi suffered face and shoulder injuries. The junta must allow the outside world to see her." Time Magazine

Thats all I got...
 
2009-03-27 03:29:29 PM  
colon_pow: student: teacher, why did scientists fake the piltdown man, lucy, nebraska man and neanderthal man? why don't they show the famous horse series anymore?

teacher: do not question the THEORY


yawn. You are still on about this? Geez, either this is a weak troll, or you have the tenacity of a maltese against a bull mastiff.

Piltdown man: a fake, proven to be a fake BY SCIENTISTS
Nebraska man: a fake, proven to be a fake BY SCIENTISTS
Lucy: Not a fake, claimed to be a fake by religious nutjob morons who have a horrible grasp of science
Neanderthal man: not a fake, claimed to be a fake by religious nutjob morons who have have a horrible grasp of science and who ignore the fact that there are enough variations in the DNA to show it not to be a "deformed human" or whatever.
 
2009-03-27 03:35:19 PM  
colon_pow: teacher, why did scientists fake the piltdown man, lucy, nebraska man and neanderthal man?

1) presumes the fakes were done by scientists
2) presumes lucy is a fake
3) probably because the fraudsters were human, like Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Robert Tilton, Ted Haggard....

colon_pow: why don't they show the famous horse series anymore?

Because they've made better illustrations?
laelaps.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-03-27 03:38:59 PM  
colon_pow: student: teacher, why did scientists fake the piltdown man, lucy, nebraska man and neanderthal man? why don't they show the famous horse series anymore?

teacher: do not question the THEORY


Neither Nebraska Man, Neanderthal Man nor Lucy were faked. I am curious; why are you lying? Additionally, you did not address my previous inquiry; are you inventing these strawmen -- based upon demonstrably dishonest premises -- because your position is so intellectually bankrupt that you are unable to construct a reasonable argument that would address reality?
 
2009-03-27 03:44:56 PM  
Are religious people being taken away to concentration camps? Are churches being demolished? Property being confiscated? No? Then you're not being persecuted.

Likewise, science is continually advancing and all of us use technology more every day. Any Luddites out there smashing factories? Any scientists being rounded up and imprisoned? No? Then you're not being persecuted either.

If you look at the world and think that "your" side is under attack while the "other" side is not, then you need to get over yourself.
 
2009-03-27 03:45:20 PM  
Dimensio: colon_pow: maddogdelta: colon_pow: student: teacher, why are there no transitional fossils?

There are plenty of transitional fossils. Every species is in transition, so any fossil you find is transitional.

oh that's rich Maddog.

here's another.

student: teacher, why was protein found in T-rex fossils when they are supposed to be millions of years old?

teacher: shut up. never ask that question in public school again. it's against the law. don't make me report you.

I am curious; is your position so intellectually bankrupt that you are only able to argue through the use of "strawman" representations, rather than through a direct addressing of reality?


i'm not arguing for or against anything, except, (if you read tfa) the new rule, that you can't teach the strengths and weaknesses of the theory.

what i've laid out is the sort of questions that may have been covered under that curriculum.
 
2009-03-27 03:47:07 PM  
cthellis: BeefyT: This is true; they may in fact be made of cauliflower. Good point. I am noticing some hostility in you. It seems like you are a lot like those damned religious nuts who get upset when someone states something contrary to their beliefs. Who knows, I can't prove it, I may be wrong.

Project much?

I'm just curious how you can require "absolute proof" for anything, as it is possible to use pretty much nowhere other than pure logic, and it's not a standard of proof we hold ourselves to in regards to... well... just about everything.

I mean, if you've been smoking banana peels and having a lengthy conversation about solipsism it might come up, but everywhere else it's pretty functionless.


I have been smoking banana peels however, when I try to have a conversation about solipsism it seems as if my thoughts only makes sense in my head.

/I'm done here, got my catch for the day
//Off to save the world
 
2009-03-27 03:47:26 PM  
colon_pow: teacher, why did scientists fake the piltdown man, lucy, nebraska man and neanderthal man? why don't they show the famous horse series anymore?

Well, Colon, I don't know where you heard that Lucy was a fake, but let me address those others first. Piltdown Man is a well known hoax, though is it still unclear who the actual 'hoaxer' was. What we do know is that the pieces of the skull discovered belonged to that of a modern human, coupled with an Orangutan jawbone. Sadly, this piece of evidence was considered satisfactory for about 40 years, until the evidence collected regarding fossils within the Homo genus grew so large that the supposed creature that was Piltdown Man became highly anomylous and requiring revisiting.

It is owned entirely to our greater understanding of human origins such as Australopithecus afarensis, known as Lucy, as well as H. erectus, H. ergaster, H. floresiensis, H. habilis that we were able to discover the fraud of Piltdown Man and revisit our models of human origins in ever greater detail.

Now Nebraska Man, that was never actually considered an ancestor to Homo sapiens except in popular press. Scientists at the time of its discover warned that the single tooth found was not enough data to go on, and though it did appear much like an ape molar, it was far too worn to reach any conclusions. This by the way, is why you should always be wary of scientific evidence presented in public magazines before ever being submitted to the academic process known as "Peer Review", something we can talk about later.

Now, I think we've taken up enough of class time on this, so I'm going to be brief with regards to Lucy; On your lunch, go to the student library and look for the book Lucy: The Beginnings of Humankind. It is written by the individual who discovered the Lucy fossil and details precisely where they found the fragments, how they put them together and all sorts of other wonderful information.

In fact, come see me after class and perhaps we can work out some sort of project for you, your score on our exam regarding mutation and recombination tells me you could use some extra credit.



Now that i've turned teacher off - does it sadden you that your questions are so easily answered colon_pow? I didn't even have to look any of that up, except for a couple fossil names.
 
2009-03-27 03:49:24 PM  
Piltdown man: Found in a gravel pit in Sussex England in 1912, this fossil was considered by some sources to be the second most important fossil proving the evolution of man-until it was found to be a complete forgery 41 years later. The skull was found to be of modern age. The fragments had been chemically stained to give the appearance of age, and the teeth had been filed down!


Nebraska Man from the Illustrated London NewsNebraska man: A single tooth, discovered in Nebraska in 1922 grew an entire evolutionary link between man and monkey, until another identical tooth was found which was protruding from the jawbone of a wild pig.

student: teacher, why....

teacher: shut up!
 
2009-03-27 03:49:46 PM  
Living things may "evolve" in the sense that their colors change and they adapt to their surroundings. That does not mean you can get a man from an ape regardless of their similarities.

///

Go to a mall some time and just sit and observe people. You'll gain a better understanding of how man evolved and in some cases you may just see that some are less evolved than others. Now go away.
 
2009-03-27 03:51:12 PM  
PC LOAD LETTER: Nebraska man: a fake, proven to be a fake BY SCIENTISTS

"Nebraska Man", or Hesperopithecus haroldcookii, was not a "fake"; it was an erroneously -- not deliberately -- misclassified specimen. Creationists who claim that the "Nebraska Man" sample was a "fake" or a "forgery" are lying.
 
2009-03-27 03:51:43 PM  
GilRuiz1: Are religious people being taken away to concentration camps? Are churches being demolished? Property being confiscated? No? Then you're not being persecuted.

Likewise, science is continually advancing and all of us use technology more every day. Any Luddites out there smashing factories? Any scientists being rounded up and imprisoned? No? Then you're not being persecuted either.

If you look at the world and think that "your" side is under attack while the "other" side is not, then you need to get over yourself.


Being 'under attack' and being 'persectuted' are two different things.

As I've clearly demonstrated, vocal Christians are SAYING they are under attack and being persecuted by SATAN which they are not.

Scientists are SAYING they are being stifled, kinda, and those Creationists lead to lay off schoolboards, which they are.

See the difference? The only place I've ever heard someone say the world is under attack by religion is the sign off message of the Skepticality Podcast, and besides writing them an email telling them I think its stupid and propaganda, not much more I can do there.
 
2009-03-27 03:53:30 PM  
colon_pow: what i've laid out is the sort of questions that may have been covered under that curriculum.

None of what you meantion are "weaknesses" of evolution, most of them are made up BS pulled out of the asses of Pastors and Creationists who, it is obvious, have no understanding of evolutionary biology at all.
 
2009-03-27 03:54:09 PM  
colon_pow:
i'm not arguing for or against anything, except, (if you read tfa) the new rule, that you can't teach the strengths and weaknesses of the theory.


To what "weaknesses" do you refer? Thus far you have posited scenarios wherein a hypothetical student makes an inquiry that is based upon a false premise -- such as the implication that there exist no "transitional" fossils when in fact many such specimens do exist -- and a hypothetical instructor claims that it is "against the law" to posit such inquiries, even though no such law exist. It would appear as though you are now lying about your own actions.
 
2009-03-27 03:54:11 PM  
I'll see your god, and raise a goddess (^)

///

Oh mama, oh mama, oh mama. Sorry just practicing my mantra.
 
2009-03-27 03:54:38 PM  
colon_pow: i'm not arguing for or against anything, except, (if you read tfa) the new rule, that you can't teach the strengths and weaknesses of the theory.

In what sense do these correspond as "weaknesses"?

Dimensio: "Nebraska Man", or Hesperopithecus haroldcookii, was not a "fake"; it was an erroneously -- not deliberately -- misclassified specimen.

Gee, Mister Wizard, how was that misclassification discovered and fixed?
 
2009-03-27 03:55:55 PM  
colon_pow: Piltdown man: Found in a gravel pit in Sussex England in 1912, this fossil was considered by some sources to be the second most important fossil proving the evolution of man-until it was found to be a complete forgery 41 years later. The skull was found to be of modern age. The fragments had been chemically stained to give the appearance of age, and the teeth had been filed down!


Nebraska Man from the Illustrated London NewsNebraska man: A single tooth, discovered in Nebraska in 1922 grew an entire evolutionary link between man and monkey, until another identical tooth was found which was protruding from the jawbone of a wild pig.

student: teacher, why....

teacher: shut up!


You know we cover issues like Piltdown Man and Nebraska Man in every intro to evolution course I've seen or taken. Maybe you should read some work on the topic by scientists and historians of science, much of which has been summarized for you already by others in this thread, rather then swallowing the BS of places like AIG whole?
 
2009-03-27 03:56:14 PM  
GilRuiz1: Are religious people being taken away to concentration camps? Are churches being demolished? Property being confiscated? No? Then you're not being persecuted.

Likewise, science is continually advancing and all of us use technology more every day. Any Luddites out there smashing factories? Any scientists being rounded up and imprisoned? No? Then you're not being persecuted either.

If you look at the world and think that "your" side is under attack while the "other" side is not, then you need to get over yourself.


Strawman, but whatever. Same could be said bout the religious side. Now that we agree on that anyone who claims "persecution" (as opposed to being attacked) is an idiot, let's move on:

If you think that it is acceptable for religions to force themselves into places they should not go, then you should move to Saudi Arabia, where this is a commonly held and government-sanctioned practice. You should feel right at home in a variety of Islamic nations, where evolution is either a no-no, or they say "you can believe in evolution, but not the evolution of Man nor can you say that God wasn't the creator". There are multiple articles on the web on this topic. This is the goal in which you seek. Why not use nations where this was applied successfully as a sneak-peek as to what your future is like. Theocratic nations are a great place, no? Because that's what it takes to get religion put into science classes: theocracy.

Sorry if you disagree, but it's pretty blindly obvious that the only way you get religion into science classrooms is by force.
 
2009-03-27 03:57:32 PM  
colon_pow: Piltdown man: Found in a gravel pit in Sussex England in 1912, this fossil was considered by some sources to be the second most important fossil proving the evolution of man-until it was found to be a complete forgery 41 years later. The skull was found to be of modern age. The fragments had been chemically stained to give the appearance of age, and the teeth had been filed down!

This is generally correct, though it should be noted that "some sources" is a vague term that does not demonstrate any significant acceptance.


Nebraska Man from the Illustrated London NewsNebraska man: A single tooth, discovered in Nebraska in 1922 grew an entire evolutionary link between man and monkey, until another identical tooth was found which was protruding from the jawbone of a wild pig.

You are lying about the significance of the "Nebraska Man" find. Hesperopithecus haroldcookii was never widely accepted amongst biologists as a confirmed recent hominid species.


student: teacher, why....

teacher: shut up!


The hypothetical exchange that you have posited has no relationship to reality. Do you have any statement to offer that actually relates to reality?
 
CDP [TotalFark]
2009-03-27 03:58:37 PM  
colon_pow: student: teacher, why did scientists fake the piltdown man, lucy, nebraska man and neanderthal man? why don't they show the famous horse series anymore?

teacher: do not question the THEORY


You are a poor excuse for a troll.

At least put a little effort into it.

If you are going to do something at least do it right.

i132.photobucket.com
 
2009-03-27 03:59:08 PM  
Dimensio: "Nebraska Man", or Hesperopithecus haroldcookii, was not a "fake"; it was an erroneously -- not deliberately -- misclassified specimen. Creationists who claim that the "Nebraska Man" sample was a "fake" or a "forgery" are lying.

Not even that. The originator of the claim took his findings to popular press before subjecting it to peer review.

For simple summary see; 13th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism

Even before the Piltdown hoax was officially exposed, an American paleontologist earned himself a life-time of embarrassment when he found a tooth from an extinct species of pig in Nebraska, and mislabeled it, Hesperopithecus. The cheek teeth of pigs and peccaries are fairly similar to ape molars, and this one was badly worn such that Henry Fairfield Osborne initially believed it to be human. But the real embarrassment came when he publicized his find in a popular magazine rather than submitting it for peer review first.

Creationists like to say that scientists were as duped by Nebraska man as they were by Piltdown man. But they weren't. Everyone who saw the fossil agreed that it did look like an ape's tooth. But with only a couple tentative exceptions, the entire contemporary scientific community either immediately rejected the accuracy of Osborne's assertions, or they demanded more substantial evidence to back them. He obviously couldn't provide that evidence despite another five years of searching. Eventually, he came to the sad realization that his fossil probably wasn't really human after all. His more skeptical associate, W.K. Gregory then published a formal retraction in scientific journals.


colon_pow: student: teacher, why....

teacher: shut up!


Real teacher: Colon, I really appreciate your enthusiasm for want to understand this, but I need to move on. Why don't you come see me after class or after you finish your lab work, and we can talk about it, its really quite an interesting area.
 
2009-03-27 04:00:03 PM  
colon_pow: student: teacher, why did scientists fake the piltdown man, lucy, nebraska man and neanderthal man? why don't they show the famous horse series anymore?

1) Piltdown man was a hoax discovered and exposed by scientists. Because no church had the methods or tools to expose it.
2) "Nebraska man" was a tooth found by a palaeontologist which was then written up as a whole family of hominids by a french newspaper. The original palaeontologist never claimed anything other than it was a tooth of possible hominid origin.
3) Who claims neanderthal's are a hoax? There has been lots of neanderthals discovered.

4) what horse diagram? Do you mean one that was current in 1910 and has been replaced with a newer one which is more accurate?

teacher: do not question the THEORY

Again, I have only been told not to question by church leaders. I think you are confusing your Sunday school teacher with people who teach about real things.

And why do Creationists like yourself have to lie to get your point across?
 
2009-03-27 04:00:49 PM  
colon_pow:
Gee, Mister Wizard, how was that misclassification discovered and fixed?


Further research at the very location where the initial misclassified tooth was located revealed it to be from a member of the Prosthennops genus.
 
2009-03-27 04:03:03 PM  
the actions the school board has taken in tx show that the educators have chosen to tell the students what to think, rather than to teach them how to think.

rather unscientific, but in this case, i realize from your points of view, that this action is regrettably, necessary.
 
2009-03-27 04:04:46 PM  
Dimensio: Further research at the very location where the initial misclassified tooth was located revealed it to be from a member of the Prosthennops genus.

Wow! So it was not religion that corrected the scientific mistake, but more science?

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