Bevets: Should this be updated to: "A fair result can be obtained only by fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides one side of each question"?
ninjakirby: Show us a single piece of scientific information, predicated upon a YEC interpretation, that has contributed to scientific understanding
ninjakirby: I'm still waiting for you to present your side. We understand that you folks have your 'weaknesses' to evolution, but what about the strengths of Creation Science? Where is your curriculum? Where are your rigorously tested models? Where are your research labs?Show us a single piece of scientific information, predicated upon a YEC interpretation, that has contributed to scientific understanding.
UltimaCS: bartink, ah the all-too universal "I know you are but what am I?". I know it's a hard thing to insult someone that's full of themselves, but my point is that you really should consider a career that doesn't poison our future generation so much. Maybe law enforcement? You get to be a big balloon of hot asshole, and nobody will judge you for bragging about inappropriate experiences irrelevant to the conversation.
bartink: I'd still like to know how some intelligent human being looks at our broken educational system and comes to the conclusion that what is really needed is to poke a few holes in evolution.
Transubstantive: Took you long enough to get in here Bevets!/Pulls up a chair and throws some popcorn in the microwave
Sod A Dog: It's too late, man. CDP won the thread an hour ago.
CDP: Nope not yet, actually the g/f is requesting a little high protein tonsil wash.
CDP: The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, and are not the result of an undirected, chance-based process such as Darwinian evolution.Intelligent design begins with observations about the types of information produced by intelligent agents. Even the atheist zoologist Richard Dawkins says that intuitively, "biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose." Darwinists believe natural selection did the "designing" but intelligent design theorist Stephen C. Meyer notes, "in all cases where we know the causal origin of 'high information content,' experience has shown that intelligent design played a causal role."Intelligent design implies that life is here as a result of the purposeful action of an intelligent designer, standing in contrast to Darwinian evolution, which postulates that life exists due to the chance, purposeless, blind forces of nature.Intelligent Design through the Scientific Method:i. Observation:The ways that intelligent agents act can be observed in the natural world and described. When intelligent agents act, it is observed that they produce high levels of "complex-specified information" (CSI). CSI is basically a scenario which is unlikely to happen (making it complex), and conforms to a pattern (making it specified). Language and machines are good examples of things with much CSI. From our understanding of the world, high levels of CSI are always the product of intelligent design.ii. Hypothesis:If an object in the natural world was designed, then we should be able to examine that object and find the same high levels of CSI in the natural world as we find in human-designed objects.iii. Experiment:We can examine biological structures to test if high CSI exists. When we look at natural objects in biology, we find many machine-like structures which are specified, because they have a particular arrangement of parts which is necessary for them to function, and complex because they have an unlikely arrangement of many interacting parts. These biological machines are "irreducibly complex," for any change in the nature or arrangement of these parts would destroy their function. Irreducibly complex structures cannot be built up through an alternative theory, such as Darwinian evolution, because Darwinian evolution requires that a biological structure be functional along every small-step of its evolution. "Reverse engineering" of these structures shows that they cease to function if changed even slightly.iv. Conclusion:Because they exhibit high levels of CSI, a quality known to be produced only by intelligent design, and because there is no other known mechanism to explain the origin of these "irreducibly complex" biological structures, we conclude that they were intelligently designed.Putting Intelligent Design to the Test:Table 1. Ways Designers Act When Designing (Observations):(1) Take many parts and arrange them in highly specified and complex patterns which perform a specific function.(2) Rapidly infuse any amounts of genetic information into the biosphere, including large amounts, such that at times rapid morphological or genetic changes could occur in populations.(3) 'Re-use parts' over-and-over in different types of organisms (design upon a common blueprint).(4) Be said to typically NOT create completely functionless objects or parts (although we may sometimes think something is functionless, but not realize its true function).Table 2. Predictions of Design (Hypothesis):(1) High information content machine-like irreducibly complex structures will be found.(2) Forms will be found in the fossil record that appear suddenly and without any precursors.(3) Genes and functional parts will be re-used in different unrelated organisms.(4) The genetic code will NOT contain much discarded genetic baggage code or functionless "junk DNA".Table 3.Line of Evidence Data(1) Biochemical complexity / Laws of the Universe.Data (E ...
TopoGigo: Not a troll. See Poe's Law. The problem is, to be a parody, there needs to be humor. I can't see humor in it.
ninjakirby: TopoGigo: Not a troll. See Poe's Law. The problem is, to be a parody, there needs to be humor. I can't see humor in it.You don't see humor in these?
TopoGigo: Me: I mean, once you've seen all his cartoons, the schtick loses any humor value.
TopoGigo: Besides, these would be the "smiley" exception in Poe's Law.
ninjakirby: TopoGigo: Me: I mean, once you've seen all his cartoons, the schtick loses any humor value.I dunno, I crack up damn near every time. Methinks thou dost protest too much.
TopoGigo: Did you just fail at Shakespeare? Or are you suggesting that I said it's not funny because I'm scared you'll find out that I love it?are you calling me gay?
TopoGigo: ninjakirby:OK, now you're just farking with me.
ninjakirby: TopoGigo: ninjakirby:OK, now you're just farking with me.Perhaps.That's a fun little program though. It demonstrates the power of random processes rather well, though of course the end result is pre-determined, and the information conveyed only has meaning to us, but still, fun evolutionary program.Which of course means the intelligent design Creationists have to attack it. Sad really.
SoxSweepAgain: ARE YOU FARKING KIDDING ME???/You can't be serious
idsfa: Sooo ... Do you accept that P or Q = Q or P?/No, I'm not going to do the whole thing.
Prospero424: chadaggGot a link to the source for that graph? I can't find it through Google. I really want to see that data and what "other Christians" actually means.
DD0: So let's say it really began with Adam and Eve. How could humanity survive when their offspring began mating, causing countless generations of inbreeding.Perhaps that's where cavemen Neo-Conservatives came from!
ninjakirby: http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-03-09-ARIS-faith-survey_N.htmIt means "Not Catholic"
maddogdelta: But please. Elaborate on how "evolution is definitely spotty". Show your work. Win a Nobel prize.
heinekenftw: By god, science shall prevail over superstition!
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