bartink: Have you ever been an actual teacher?
bartink: Although atheists believe that there isn't a God. At least in common usage. I simply don't know.
zeph`: "On what teachers make" is among the best videos on YouTube.
zeph`: Honestly, the points you're making are extremely limited in that they're the product of experience with people who have been treated poorly throughout their educations. The theory and philosophy behind education, if properly enacted, would produce students completely unrecognizable to you. Systematic changes would nullify most of you (somewhat justifiable) conceptions of what students are and are not capable of.
bartink: Your a noob. Stick to arguing about arguing.
bartink: solution to teaching kids
bartink: I didn't deal in the philosophical.
paygun: Do these creationism people ever win?
zeph`: Your attitude is the problem with our education system.
eggrolls: CDP's profile>Ah. Here we see the product of a Texas education.
CDP: It has been fun boys...
paygun: Sometimes I wonder if the two sides are competing for martyrdom status.
whidbey: CDP: It has been fun boys...I'll bet it was.Going home to clean your catch?
Pharque-it: These creationist fascists home-school their own kids and sit in disproportionate numbers on the boards of public schools and try to "stupidify" the rest of the population.They are a real threat to science education. Texas/Dallas is a great example of this. They must be removed.
bartink: I've actually been in the trenches and I was very good at what I did.
paygun: Sorry, I just don't see it as any threat if they just keep losing.
Vangor: Your premise seems to be that education should be kept to an average standard in order to not dissuade children with "poor genetics" from learning. While I agree basic education should not be discouraging, there is a significant, symptomatic failure with the basic ways children are taught. Would you not agree? This, I believe, is zeph`'s main point.
CDP: Sod A Dog: CDP: Well, you sold me. Those crazy evolutionists have been wrong the whole time!Does this mean that I have to start going to church now? GODDAMMIT!I see now that my work here is done.Go in peace my childIn the name of the Pasta, The Sauce, and The Garlic ToastrAmen
Vangor: While I agree basic education should not be discouraging, there is a significant, symptomatic failure with the basic ways children are taught. Would you not agree? This, I believe, is zeph`'s main point.
bartink: Go ask those kids about me.
bartink: You're a noob. Stick to arguing about arguing.
Bevets: For I am well aware that scarcely a single point is discussed in this volume on which facts cannot be adduced, often apparently leading to conclusions directly opposite to those at which I have arrived. A fair result can be obtained only by fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question; and this cannot possibly be here done. ~ Charles Darwin
A Dark Evil Omen: Do you need a permit?
UltimaCS: I'm sure you did VERY well in teaching kids how to read...You know how many teachers had to teach a kid something basic? ALL OF THEM! You are not a veteran of the imaginary education war in your head. You sound just like the sort of pseudo-philanthropist that not only brings down the progress of education, but all public works. You're not supposed to teach kids to prove a point. You're not supposed to enlighten youngsters with your vastly overinflated ego. You, sir, are an absolutely horrible human being.
Phone_Answering_Monkey: "He also charged that evolution advocates have a history of falsifying evidence and drawing erroneous conclusions to support their position. "
Pharque-it: Phone_Answering_Monkey: "He also charged that evolution advocates have a history of falsifying evidence and drawing erroneous conclusions to support their position. "Aren't they great liars those creationist supporters?
zeph`: I don't either doubt that what you've done is valuable, or would I criticize you for doing it. I hold teachers in extremely high regards.The fact of the matter is, that what we do for kids currently is good. What you do for kids is great. What we both could do for kids is amazing. The point is not that I think there's a magic bullet philosophy cure for the problems inherent in our system - but there are clear ways in which we could produce better, smarter, more well-rounded students. Our system is not the optimal system in very obvious ways, and if that's the case then there seems to be room for improvement. The ways in which that improvement can be had, or what the nature of that improvement is, is a question of philosophy - the ways in which it will end up being done is a matter of teaching. Both of those things need to happen better if we're going to see any kind of positive change taking place - you sound like you're doing/have done your best, but I'd ask that you give the people who make it their business to wonder about the ways in which things could be better a chance to do so.I am, like every other person, a product of a series of lucky occurrences from my birth to this day. Genetics, partly, but largely lucky circumstances. It was luck that I discovered philosophy - complete luck that I'm the person I am today rather than another (likely less clever person) person that I easily could have been had one decision been made differently. In the same way are your students a product of a series of lucky (or unlucky) circumstances that have characterizes their lives. They grow up poor, to parents that don't care as much as they could, and they develop a certain set of values and beliefs - values and beliefs that make education difficult. Values and beliefs that in, a very real psychological way, limit the things that these students can and will learn. Genetics only account for so much of any given person's potential, the rest is determined by the way in which their environment has taught them to think about the world.You teach students to read, write, and do science - I worry about the causes behind the inability to do those things, and the ways to, as much as possible, negate those causes. One day we'll stumble on the secret of unleashing the potential that many students go through life never realizing they have, and you'll get to give that gift to them. Seems like a fair trade, no?
CDP: Nope not yet, actually the g/f is requesting a little high protein tonsil wash. ;-)
UltimaCS: bartink, you manage to make yourself sound more like an overinflated war veteran every time you speak. But you're not; you're a farking teacher. I'm trying my best not to belittle your occupation or accomplishments, but when you try to graphically brag about a tragic scene that your friend came across at school, that's drawing the line pretty far out there. I'm sure you feel entitled toward having a higher opinion than everyone in this board because you're apparently the only teacher on this board AND the only person who has ever had to deal with the education system. I'm sorry for the great weight you carry, and I still hope that you continue educating kids to the best of your ability even when it's only to shine your own pole, but grow the fark up.
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