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2009-03-25 09:17:25 AM
bushbot111: maddogdelta: those who like to see teenaged girls bleed to death in the street.

What?


All the pro life people who have no problem filling up this page (^)..

thespindrifter: I fail to see the profit in being burned at the stake for publishing a Bible in English

The issue was whether someone was going to cut in on the church's profits. This guy wanted his cut, and paid the price. In much the same way that gangsters kill one another.
 
2009-03-25 09:17:55 AM
Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!
 
2009-03-25 09:20:40 AM
ttintagel: That's a fancy bit of speculation there. Care to back it up with any information?

What, you mean like with the bulk of established history? I'm not going to do all the work for you. Hitler was all about the Fascist ideal, which stood staunchly opposed to Communism. Most of the Atheists of the day were Communists, as Communism is Atheistic at it's very heart. Hitler didn't care about religion, he cared about the politics and "Aryan Ideal" (however ironic that may be coming from a non-blond, half-Jewish, dabbler in homosexuality.)

Hitler wanted Germany to be the only world power, and his biggest concern after consolidating Europe was America, not because the U.S. of A. was a "Christian" nation, but because the nation had strong Anglo-German roots, and he felt that such a high density of "Aryan" people, combined with their manufacturing base and fertile heartland, were Germany's only real competition.

In order to defeat America, Hitler had to assimilate Europe for resources first. In order to accomplish this, he needed a scapegoat to go after, so he used an existing power base (the "Church") as a convenient starting point to manipulate and control the masses that he hadn't already swayed into his cult of personality. Focusing the general frustrations of a smashed country onto the non-Aryans (Jews, Black African descendants, homosexuals, gypsies, et cetera) was a brilliant move, and the real Christians who stood against him had to escape fast or hide, and most were the first ones to go to the camps or be shot in the streets for being "traitors".

Christ called for Peace and Love, to the Jew first and to the Gentile also; Hitler called for hate and murder. It isn't too hard to figure out that power politics, not Christianity, was the real motivating factor here, and usually is. It isn't "No real Scotsman", it's a fact. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... but if it moos? Hmmm, might be a different critter.
 
2009-03-25 09:22:28 AM
Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

Hitler hates athiesm and so should you.

Ein volk, eine Christ


That's right because Hitler NEVER lied about anything.
 
2009-03-25 09:22:42 AM
maddogdelta: bushbot111: maddogdelta: those who like to see teenaged girls bleed to death in the street.

What?

All the pro life people who have no problem filling up this page (^)..


Why do people still cling to that terrible argument? If you grant that abortion is murder, you're not going to be very sympathetic to somebody who gets themselves killed while trying to murder someone.

Yes yes, of course you don't think that abortion is any kind of immoral, but your opponents do, so why bother making the argument?
 
2009-03-25 09:24:41 AM
Deuce McStinkle: Wheeeee!!!....WHAARGARBL

Um...I think you'll find that most of the atheists in these threads know more about the bible than you do.

But thanks for playing!
 
2009-03-25 09:25:17 AM
Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!


Hopefully this will cure your butt hurt.

avatar.movetoiceland.com
 
2009-03-25 09:28:03 AM
serial_crusher: Why do people still cling to that terrible argument? If you grant that abortion is murder, you're not going to be very sympathetic to somebody who gets themselves killed while trying to murder someone.

Yes yes, of course you don't think that abortion is any kind of immoral, but your opponents do, so why bother making the argument?


The anti-abortion arguments all center around "but we think life is sacred"... but when push comes to shove... they really don't.

And it isn't a tired old argument. When abortion is illegal, women get abortions illegally. And when they do, they die, horribly.

You choose for a non sentient blob of cells. I choose for living, breathing women.

Unless you're one of those who think that the only moral abortion is my abortion.. (^)
 
2009-03-25 09:29:50 AM
thespindrifter: Christ called for Peace and Love, to the Jew first and to the Gentile also; Hitler called for hate and murder. It isn't too hard to figure out that power politics, not Christianity, was the real motivating factor here, and usually is. It isn't "No real Scotsman", it's a fact. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... but if it moos? Hmmm, might be a different critter.

If that's the case, then most Christians aren't really Christians.

\The biggest genocide in history was caused by a guy who thought he was Jesus' brother
\\Citation (^)
 
2009-03-25 09:30:01 AM
maddogdelta: Deuce McStinkle: Wheeeee!!!....WHAARGARBL

Um...I think you'll find that most of the atheists in these threads know more about the bible than you do.

But thanks for playing!


Please . . . I doubt it. Prove your point, bub, or stop whining.
 
2009-03-25 09:30:03 AM
Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!


go read isaiah 45:7, provided you read the KJB version and not the NASB or the NKJV, and we'll talk then.

/your god is evil.
//it's in your bible.
///really.
 
2009-03-25 09:30:52 AM
Deuce McStinkle: Please . . . I doubt it. Prove your point, bub, or stop whining.

Ezekial 23:20
 
2009-03-25 09:30:54 AM
thespindrifter: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: since their product is imaginary, they can sell it over and over for thousands of years at an incredible profit.

I fail to see the profit in being burned at the stake for publishing a Bible in English, the profit in being a selfless Buddhist monk, or a life-respecting Hindu who sacrifices convenience for belief.


i really wouldnt call a tiny minority the norm.


blog.kir.com

praise the lawd.
 
2009-03-25 09:31:37 AM
Deuce McStinkle: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

Hitler hates athiesm and so should you.

Ein volk, eine Christ

That's right because Hitler NEVER lied about anything.


atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.
 
2009-03-25 09:32:23 AM
What would Jimi do: "this shiat isn't random. any one that thinks that this entire thing we call existence is random? along with all this other shiat beyond anything we can comprehend is random? in less a 1000 years we have named all the elements, came up with laws of motion, and made weapons that can remove us. it may not be the christian god or the muslim god or the buddhist god etc etc etc, something is in control. if you believe this is all random, wow."

'Something from Nothing a Quantum Possibility'

'It's Confirmed, Matter is Merely Vacuum Fluctuations'

Understand also that abiogenesis was not random. Organic molecules form naturally for inorganic ones as the component proteins/amino acids are already inclined to bond when close enough. Likewise the only element of natural selection that's random is genetic mutation, the actual process itself is non-random selective breeding, except instead of a breeder deciding which animals get to mate and pass on their genes, it's the animals who are best able to survive to breeding age and then care for their offspring. It's animal husbandry, the same kind that gave us the variety of domestic dogs, all of our livestock and various cultivated crops, except it happens by itself.

The message to take away here is that you can't bring yourself to accept these propositions because you don't know about the specifics, the supporting evidence. There's a great deal in science that would sound ridiculous and impossible to someone who didn't have the knowledge necessary to understand it. I understand it may seem insulting to you but I don't mean it that way, you're hardly alone, this stuff isn't exactly common knowledge and most Americans have a very slim understanding of science, hence the high incidence of creationists and whatnot. What you need, what they all need, is a more comprehensive education. We need schools with enough funding and sufficiently high hiring standards so that proper time and attention can be given to these subjects, so that students don't go out into the world unequipped to understand scientific principles that are becoming increasingly central to a greater cultural conflict. Without the necessary education they'll be inclined to believe whatever seems 'common sense' to them, or whatever seems most appealing, and the existing problem will only get worse.
 
2009-03-25 09:32:37 AM
aggravatedmonkey: Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!

go read isaiah 45:7, provided you read the KJB version and not the NASB or the NKJV, and we'll talk then.

/your god is evil.
//it's in your bible.
///really.


Yeah--never mind that the KJ is not all that good of a translation. Never mind that you seem to have absolutely NO understanding of the historical context of Isaiah. Never mind that you're ignoring the overall literary content of not only the book you cite, but also the verse you cite. And never mind that the verse doesn't undercut *anything* about God's goodness. Never mind all that.

You're right. You're always right.
 
2009-03-25 09:33:59 AM
Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: Deuce McStinkle: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

Hitler hates athiesm and so should you.

Ein volk, eine Christ

That's right because Hitler NEVER lied about anything.

atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.


i52.photobucket.com
 
2009-03-25 09:35:07 AM
The Icelander: Deuce McStinkle: Please . . . I doubt it. Prove your point, bub, or stop whining.

Ezekiel 23:20


FTFM
 
2009-03-25 09:35:08 AM
The Icelander: Ezekial 23:20

My Lord, you've yet to quote Deuteronomy 23. I'll wait.

See, you don't know the historical, cultural, or literary contexts of the verse you've pulled. In other words, you've done exactly what you probably claim Christians do: you've taken a verse out of context and attempted to make it fit your own personal interpretation.

/baggage, anyone?
//you've got it
 
2009-03-25 09:36:03 AM
Deuce McStinkle: "Please . . . I doubt it. Prove your point, bub, or stop whining."

Atheists by and large were raised into some religion. I was a Christian myself for nearly 20 years. Most of us were Christians before we became atheists. It's because we thoroughly read and understood the Bible that we became atheists, or at least that's a large part of it.

May I ask you a few questions? You may find them interesting.

#1. Do you believe there was an actual garden of eden, an Adam and Eve, a talking snake, etc.?

#2. Do you think "Why is there something rather than nothing" is a legitimate question to ask?
 
2009-03-25 09:36:19 AM
Intolerant Christians? Unheard of. It's a brotherhood of compassion and acceptance.

/disregard crusades
//disregard salem witch trials


That one did make me laugh. :-) Yes, there has been quite a bit (okay, a lot) of intolerance throughout the ages from Christians and many other religions. It is not so much a religious aspect as it just how humans are. We use the things we believe in (or pretend to believe in) to allow us the justification to remove/fight/convert groups of people we have issues with.

Religious Wars

Crusades 11-13th century
Albigensian Crusade
the Northern Crusades
Aragonese Crusade

French Wars of Religion 16th century
war between Catholics and Protestants (Hugenots primarily)

Thirty Years War 17th century
Garmany, Scandinavia, Poland, France -- Catholics and Protestants (Calvinists)

Israel and Arab Countries (most of recorded history)

Shinto - Showa era
Sino-Japanese War

Sikhism 15-1600's
Shikhs vs. Hindus
Shikhs vs. Muslims

Saxon Wars

Zoroastrianism -- Sassanid era

________________________________

Interestingly enough, neither Jesus nor Peter, Paul, etc are recorded as telling Christians to go into battle for religious reasons, to fight the government and so forth.

/two of my distant relatives are Cotton and Increase Mather
//about flipped when I found that out
 
2009-03-25 09:36:51 AM
Deuce McStinkle: aggravatedmonkey: Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!

go read isaiah 45:7, provided you read the KJB version and not the NASB or the NKJV, and we'll talk then.

/your god is evil.
//it's in your bible.
///really.

Yeah--never mind that the KJ is not all that good of a translation. Never mind that you seem to have absolutely NO understanding of the historical context of Isaiah. Never mind that you're ignoring the overall literary content of not only the book you cite, but also the verse you cite. And never mind that the verse doesn't undercut *anything* about God's goodness. Never mind all that.

You're right. You're always right.


let me get this straight...first you say that KJB is "not all that good of a translation" and then you say "Never mind that you're ignoring the overall literary content of not only the book you cite, but also the verse you cite."

so which is it skippy?

garbage? or "literary" masterpiece?

and which "translation" do YOU approve of?

you sound fat.
 
2009-03-25 09:36:56 AM
Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.

Oooohhh... you hurt me there.

Really? That's the best you can do?

Sad, really.

The whole Hitler was a Christian argument has been debunked by not only religious scholars, but secular scholars as well.

A library is a big building with books: check it out sometime.
 
2009-03-25 09:37:17 AM
Deuce McStinkle: And never mind that the verse doesn't undercut *anything* about God's goodness.

Remind me to tell my kid never to make fun of a bald man, lest god sets bears on her. In his infinite goodness.
 
2009-03-25 09:38:38 AM
Deuce McStinkle: "The whole Hitler was a Christian argument has been debunked by not only religious scholars, but secular scholars as well."

You know, Hitler himself never killed a single Jew. What religion do you suppose the brownshirts were? The einsatzgruppen? The concentration camp guards?
 
2009-03-25 09:39:18 AM
aggravatedmonkey: Deuce McStinkle: aggravatedmonkey: Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!

go read isaiah 45:7, provided you read the KJB version and not the NASB or the NKJV, and we'll talk then.

/your god is evil.
//it's in your bible.
///really.

Yeah--never mind that the KJ is not all that good of a translation. Never mind that you seem to have absolutely NO understanding of the historical context of Isaiah. Never mind that you're ignoring the overall literary content of not only the book you cite, but also the verse you cite. And never mind that the verse doesn't undercut *anything* about God's goodness. Never mind all that.

You're right. You're always right.

let me get this straight...first you say that KJB is "not all that good of a translation" and then you say "Never mind that you're ignoring the overall literary content of not only the book you cite, but also the verse you cite."

so which is it skippy?

garbage? or "literary" masterpiece?

and which "translation" do YOU approve of?

you sound fat.


"Skippy?" "Fat?"

That's the best you have?

My God. And your logic is flawed: I never said that KJV was a "literary masterpiece," nor did I say that it as "garbage."

Wow. You sound ignorant.
 
2009-03-25 09:40:26 AM
maddogdelta: serial_crusher: Why do people still cling to that terrible argument? If you grant that abortion is murder, you're not going to be very sympathetic to somebody who gets themselves killed while trying to murder someone.

Yes yes, of course you don't think that abortion is any kind of immoral, but your opponents do, so why bother making the argument?

The anti-abortion arguments all center around "but we think life is sacred"... but when push comes to shove... they really don't.

And it isn't a tired old argument. When abortion is illegal, women get abortions illegally. And when they do, they die, horribly.

You choose for a non sentient blob of cells. I choose for living, breathing women.

Unless you're one of those who think that the only moral abortion is my abortion.. (^)


hold on here, now i don't really care about abortion, but this seems like a bad argument. if you accept the idea that a fetus is somehow a life and therefor at least on equal terms with that of the mother, then when you stop most of them and the only ones who are still being done are people in back alleyways finding new and exciting uses for coat hangers, then that's not a bad thing, its good old fashioned darwinism at its best. think about it. here we have a person so gosh darned LAZY they cant be bothered to wait out 9 months, so short cited a highly dangerous, and illegal procedure is preferable to telling daddy, so stupid AND lazy they cant be bothered to use birth control, who has already proven themselves both fertile and willing to concede. in that situation, worst case scenario, the baby dies and therefor the genes off this dumbass are not carried on, and best case scenario, it rips her apart from the inside, thus thinning the herd. humanity benifits
 
2009-03-25 09:42:12 AM
The Icelander: Deuce McStinkle: And never mind that the verse doesn't undercut *anything* about God's goodness.

Remind me to tell my kid never to make fun of a bald man, lest god sets bears on her. In his infinite goodness.


So, the whole Elijah thing, eh?

And, yet again, another internet genius taking a narrative out of context. Typical.
 
2009-03-25 09:42:29 AM
aggravatedmonkey: go read isaiah 45:7, provided you read the KJB version and not the NASB or the NKJV, and we'll talk then.

When your arguments depend on a single translation, to the exclusion of other translations and also to the exclusion of the text being translated, this should perhaps be taken as evidence of a problem with the translation you're using.
 
2009-03-25 09:44:10 AM
Millennium: aggravatedmonkey: go read isaiah 45:7, provided you read the KJB version and not the NASB or the NKJV, and we'll talk then.

When your arguments depend on a single translation, to the exclusion of other translations and also to the exclusion of the text being translated, this should perhaps be taken as evidence of a problem with the translation you're using.


Don't confuse him with the facts.
 
2009-03-25 09:44:34 AM
Deuce McStinkle: "Wow. You sound ignorant."

...Said the Christian to the atheist.

Said the fellow who worships a genocider god, who believes in the tree of knowledge and the talking snake, who believes consciousness is best explained by a ghost living in our heads rather than accepting the findings of cognitive neurobiology, who believes that an ancient desert God created the universe rather than accepting the findings of particle physics, re: particle pairs/quantum potential.

Yeah, the sane guy over there who accepts science and doesn't believe in the talking snake, that guy is the ignorant one. Have I got that right?
 
2009-03-25 09:44:43 AM
Oh, and to add to my previous post, if the Atheists ever go to war, it will probably be between humans and otters.
 
2009-03-25 09:46:41 AM
Millenium: "When your arguments depend on a single translation, to the exclusion of other translations and also to the exclusion of the text being translated, this should perhaps be taken as evidence of a problem with the translation you're using."

Careful now. Arguments to the effect that the Bible doesn't actually condemn gays and that it describes six 'periods' of time rather than literal days relies on that exact sort of selective translation. Is it okay when it excuses scripture, but not when it reflects poorly on it?
 
2009-03-25 09:47:17 AM
Deuce McStinkle: See, you don't know the historical, cultural, or literary contexts of the verse you've pulled. In other words, you've done exactly what you probably claim Christians do: you've taken a verse out of context and attempted to make it fit your own personal interpretation.

That's because the Bible holds no significance for me beyond its literary influence.

You've got a serious case of the butt hurt, and are so closed-minded that you can't admit that quite a few Christians are assholes. I'll gladly admit that there are atheists who are assholes. But considering that we're, at most, 5% of the population, and Christians are something like 80% of the population, so even if one in ten is a jerk, they outnumber atheists.

And are you insisting that all the "angry atheists" are making up their experiences that lead them to have a negative association with Christianity? Oh, wait, those people aren't "real Christians," right? If that's the case you guys might want to sue for defamation of character. Atheists aren't your problem - it's the people who use your religion to look bad. What you're doing is the equivalent of blaming the smoke detector for waking you up when there's a fire.

Now, you might say I'm painting with a broad brush, but when you have tens of thousands of Christian teenagers showing up for "culture warrior" rallies, it's hard to believe they're a minority.

Not to mention that your assertion that atheists are ignorant of the Bible is almost universally untrue. Every atheist I know, including most of the people in this thread know the Bible quite a bit better than the vast majority if Christians.

So go buy some butt paste and apply it liberally, and hopefully your butt hurt will heal up enough to the point where you can see that, through all the vitriol, we atheists might have a farking point.
 
2009-03-25 09:48:40 AM
PC LOAD LETTER: Gil


Say what now?

i224.photobucket.com

/That made my morning, PC LOAD LETTER.
 
2009-03-25 09:49:11 AM
thespindrifter: Either human life is sacred or it isn't

I vote "no".
 
2009-03-25 09:53:10 AM
The Name: EL_FABREZ: What_Would_Jimi_Do: Leviticus 18:22!


Leviticus is some crazy shiat. Eat shellfish? Stoning. Cut your hair? Stoning. Wife cheats on you? Stoning. Flat nose? No heaven for you. Crippled? Ditto. Wear two different types of fabric? BZZZT!

You have to laugh at anybody who says they take the bible literally.


It's precisely because of books like Leviticus that I laugh at people who try to pwn Christians by quoting the Old Testament. Since it's fairly early in this thread still, I'll give the atheists to come a little tip:

Christians are well aware of the "intolerance" (as we moderns would call it) and heavy-handedness of the Old Testament. This barbarity contrasted with the pacifism of Jesus Christ is precisely one of the differences distinguishing the Old Testament from the New Testament. I'd go into the theology and apologetics a bit, but I've smoked too much wacky tobacky.

(I don't mean to rag on atheists. Christianity has plenty wrong with it, metaphysically and perhaps even a bit morally. I just find it odd that, for all their intellectual pretensions, most rabidly anti-Christian atheists don't know a damn thing about the theology they hate so much.)


I took the post more as reminding christians of that fact. Many, many neo-evangelicals like to quote Leviticus whenever it suits their condemnation, then disavow it when it makes them look crazy.
 
2009-03-25 09:54:15 AM
theinsultabot9000: maddogdelta: serial_crusher: Why do people still cling to that terrible argument? If you grant that abortion is murder, you're not going to be very sympathetic to somebody who gets themselves killed while trying to murder someone.

Yes yes, of course you don't think that abortion is any kind of immoral, but your opponents do, so why bother making the argument?

The anti-abortion arguments all center around "but we think life is sacred"... but when push comes to shove... they really don't.

And it isn't a tired old argument. When abortion is illegal, women get abortions illegally. And when they do, they die, horribly.

You choose for a non sentient blob of cells. I choose for living, breathing women.

Unless you're one of those who think that the only moral abortion is my abortion.. (^)

hold on here, now i don't really care about abortion, but this seems like a bad argument. if you accept the idea that a fetus is somehow a life and therefor at least on equal terms with that of the mother, then when you stop most of them and the only ones who are still being done are people in back alleyways finding new and exciting uses for coat hangers, then that's not a bad thing, its good old fashioned darwinism at its best. think about it. here we have a person so gosh darned LAZY they cant be bothered to wait out 9 months, so short cited a highly dangerous, and illegal procedure is preferable to telling daddy, so stupid AND lazy they cant be bothered to use birth control, who has already proven themselves both fertile and willing to concede. in that situation, worst case scenario, the baby dies and therefor the genes off this dumbass are not carried on, and best case scenario, it rips her apart from the inside, thus thinning the herd. humanity benifits


I know you were being sarcastic, but that about sums it up. What if I made the same argument in favor of legalizing trespassing...

Do you have any idea how many people hurt themselves during illegal trespassing each year?

It's not your house. It's just some carpet with walls and floors around it.
 
2009-03-25 09:54:15 AM
Deuce McStinkle: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.

Oooohhh... you hurt me there.

Really? That's the best you can do?

Sad, really.

The whole Hitler was a Christian argument has been debunked by not only religious scholars, but secular scholars as well.

A library is a big building with books: check it out sometime.


so you're saying that athiests, muslims, buddhists, jews, but not christians were sent to the gas chambers for some other reason yet to be discovered?

i dont know about the hole where you come from, but here in germany, the fact that hitler was a christian and in bed with the church is basic grade school knowledge.
 
2009-03-25 09:55:53 AM
thespindrifter: ttintagel: That's a fancy bit of speculation there. Care to back it up with any information?

What, you mean like with the bulk of established history? I'm not going to do all the work for you.


Yes, the bulk of established history, like Hitler's life, speeches, and writings. You don't need to do the work for me, because it's all right there for anyone to see. You can try to spin it and get inside Hitler's head to guess whether or not he was sincere in his beliefs, but it is just that: a guess.

Christ called for Peace and Love, to the Jew first and to the Gentile also;

Among other things. And he also said that he had not come to negate the Old Testament with its bloody cries for vengeance and smiting. Read your Matthew.


Hitler called for hate and murder.


For his enemies, aand the enemies of his ideals. Much like a lot of the Bible.

It isn't "No real Scotsman", it's a fact.

It's both.
 
2009-03-25 09:58:01 AM
Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Don;t kid yourself. Most Americans are brought up with some kind of Christian training. And most atheists I know know the Scriptures better than most Christians. They just see the inherent contradictions instead of cherrypicking or rationalizing them.
 
2009-03-25 10:00:33 AM
Deuce McStinkle: So, the whole Elijah thing, eh?

And, yet again, another internet genius taking a narrative out of context. Typical.


There is no excuse, none, for sicking bears on unruly kids. Even if god's a fictional character, he's a douche for doing that.
 
2009-03-25 10:04:04 AM
The Icelander: Deuce McStinkle: So, the whole Elijah thing, eh?

And, yet again, another internet genius taking a narrative out of context. Typical.

There is no excuse, none, for sicking bears on unruly kids. Even if god's a fictional character, he's a douche for doing that.


www.americanbear.org
why do you hate bears?
 
2009-03-25 10:08:02 AM
serial_crusher: theinsultabot9000: maddogdelta: serial_crusher: Why do people still cling to that terrible argument? If you grant that abortion is murder, you're not going to be very sympathetic to somebody who gets themselves killed while trying to murder someone.

Yes yes, of course you don't think that abortion is any kind of immoral, but your opponents do, so why bother making the argument?

The anti-abortion arguments all center around "but we think life is sacred"... but when push comes to shove... they really don't.

And it isn't a tired old argument. When abortion is illegal, women get abortions illegally. And when they do, they die, horribly.

You choose for a non sentient blob of cells. I choose for living, breathing women.

Unless you're one of those who think that the only moral abortion is my abortion.. (^)

hold on here, now i don't really care about abortion, but this seems like a bad argument. if you accept the idea that a fetus is somehow a life and therefor at least on equal terms with that of the mother, then when you stop most of them and the only ones who are still being done are people in back alleyways finding new and exciting uses for coat hangers, then that's not a bad thing, its good old fashioned darwinism at its best. think about it. here we have a person so gosh darned LAZY they cant be bothered to wait out 9 months, so short cited a highly dangerous, and illegal procedure is preferable to telling daddy, so stupid AND lazy they cant be bothered to use birth control, who has already proven themselves both fertile and willing to concede. in that situation, worst case scenario, the baby dies and therefor the genes off this dumbass are not carried on, and best case scenario, it rips her apart from the inside, thus thinning the herd. humanity benifits

I know you were being sarcastic, but that about sums it up. What if I made the same argument in favor of legalizing trespassing...

Do you have any idea how many people hurt themselves during illegal trespassing each year?

It's not your house. It's just some carpet with walls and floors around it.


it wasnt sarcasm. or even trolling. i am sorry, but it isnt. whatever your reasoning, belief, or stance on abortion, i really dont care. maybe you are for it. maybe you are because it makes it far less worrisome for a guy or a girl out for a good time to not have a problem. fine. i can see the merits of that, o.k., sound reasoning.

maybe you are for it because you think its just America. she should have her freedom of choice. ok, i can see that, land of the free, sound reasoning. you have a point. but if your argument is i or anyone else should give two shiats about a group of woman whose soul common link is that they were to incompetent to avoid pregnancy and to stupid to decide that of all her options, gutting herself with a coat hanger, thus eliminating not one but two genetic failures. i just don't see the point. in my opinion that is actually a valid point on the side of pro-lifers, that there stance indirectly benefits the genetic health of humanity
 
2009-03-25 10:10:34 AM
thespindrifter: C"hrist called for Peace and Love, to the Jew first and to the Gentile also;....Hitler called for hate and murder."

Say, where did all the Canaanites go? Could've sworn they were here a second ago. At least we know God didn't order their genocide, because you'd never knowingly worship a genocider God. Right?
 
2009-03-25 10:13:34 AM
Zamboro: Deuce McStinkle: "Wow. You sound ignorant."

...Said the Christian to the atheist.

Said the fellow who worships a genocider god, who believes in the tree of knowledge and the talking snake, who believes consciousness is best explained by a ghost living in our heads rather than accepting the findings of cognitive neurobiology, who believes that an ancient desert God created the universe rather than accepting the findings of particle physics, re: particle pairs/quantum potential.

Yeah, the sane guy over there who accepts science and doesn't believe in the talking snake, that guy is the ignorant one. Have I got that right?


Are you done stereotyping yet?
 
2009-03-25 10:14:34 AM
Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: Deuce McStinkle: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.

Oooohhh... you hurt me there.

Really? That's the best you can do?

Sad, really.

The whole Hitler was a Christian argument has been debunked by not only religious scholars, but secular scholars as well.

A library is a big building with books: check it out sometime.

so you're saying that athiests, muslims, buddhists, jews, but not christians were sent to the gas chambers for some other reason yet to be discovered?

i dont know about the hole where you come from, but here in germany, the fact that hitler was a christian and in bed with the church is basic grade school knowledge.


So, you guys don't have libraries, then?
 
2009-03-25 10:15:35 AM
Deuce McStinkle: "Are you done stereotyping yet?"

Ah, but which of those things don't you believe?
 
2009-03-25 10:15:38 AM
Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!


Well, smartass, put a leash on your more high-profile spokespeople like Phelps, etc., and the sterotype won't propogate, will it? Till you do that, if it quacks like a duck...it's a damn duck, mmmkay?
 
2009-03-25 10:17:49 AM
Deuce McStinkle: Please . . . I doubt it. Prove your point, bub, or stop whining.

I'm not whining at all. I'm merely just addressing a fallacy in which you claimed that atheists don't read the bible. I'm pointing out that you are incorrect.

eharac: Interestingly enough, neither Jesus nor Peter, Paul, etc are recorded as telling Christians to go into battle for religious reasons


Matthew 10:34 (King James Version)

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
 
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