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2009-03-24 10:31:55 PM  
Eh, I'll make some popcorn in the morning....
 
2009-03-24 10:54:21 PM  
 
2009-03-24 11:00:53 PM  
subby: Christians called "intolerant" by some stupid atheist who is going to burn in hell when he gets there anyone who pays even marginal attention.

Yep.
 
2009-03-24 11:07:59 PM  
Oh hey, another Atheist vs. Christian thread.

I'm sure this discussion will offer up salient points and intelligent discourse missing in the previous 97 threads on the same topic.

Have at it people...
 
2009-03-24 11:09:16 PM  
That was really well written. I dislike the headline, as there is certainly intolerance to be shared by both sides, but author of TFA makes an excellent point regarding this view that any criticism regarding a religious authority is somehow 'anti-Christian'.
 
2009-03-24 11:14:11 PM  

Holden C: Have at it people...


So long as it stays away from this...

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2009-03-24 11:21:48 PM  

Holden C: I'm sure this discussion will offer up salient points and intelligent discourse missing in the previous 97 threads on the same topic.


It was 94 by my count. But hey...only Jesus knows the true numbers here.
 
2009-03-24 11:25:55 PM  
Everybody knows the Jews are right.
 
2009-03-25 12:28:09 AM  
I reject your mythology and substitute a magical diety of my own.
 
2009-03-25 02:24:31 AM  
Atheism is the religion of peace.
 
2009-03-25 02:25:02 AM  
pretty subtle subby.
 
2009-03-25 02:25:50 AM  
Mmmmmm... nah.

Don't even want to bother with a slashie facetiousnessism.
 
2009-03-25 02:25:58 AM  

Cletus McGhee: Atheism is the religion of peace.



How dare you mock my system of nonbeliefs!
 
2009-03-25 02:26:33 AM  
Obligatory:

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2009-03-25 02:31:19 AM  
I cannot tolerate intolerance.
 
2009-03-25 02:31:20 AM  

Ranger Joe: I reject your mythology and substitute a magical diety of my own.


Said Adam

/The savage one. Sheesh, I slashied.
 
2009-03-25 02:31:44 AM  
Leviticus 18:22!
 
2009-03-25 02:32:25 AM  
Aw, its the wrong time of day for this greenlight. I'll check back later, lose interest after 150 or so posts, then just scroll for funny pictures. I hope there is a new funny picture or two. And jesus was a piece of cheese. Big farking mix up.
 
2009-03-25 02:32:37 AM  
I LOL'ed.

That headline will bring all the loons to the yard. *golf claps*
 
2009-03-25 02:33:20 AM  
As a believer I won't tolerate...violence, bigotry, racism, abuse, sexism and a bunch of other awful sins.

Is it okay NOT to tolerate that which one finds objectionable? Would you not tolerate different opinions?
 
2009-03-25 02:33:27 AM  
The worst people in any group tend to be the loudest and therefore most often heard. And not all Christians are fundamentalists. Those who are...well, read the first sentence again.
 
2009-03-25 02:34:04 AM  
i14.photobucket.com

I had the pleasure of meeting the hell bound Christopher Hitchens this weekend.
 
2009-03-25 02:34:37 AM  
That article made articulate well intended points that would welcome a deep and reasoned debate.

Too bad the section of 'Christians' the article is referring to won't have the depth to grasp those nuances or patience or intelligence to respond in kind, or if they do respond, it will be with sound bites, biblical passages and politically-tinged rhetoric.
 
2009-03-25 02:35:17 AM  

ninjakirby: Holden C: Have at it people...

So long as it stays away from this...


Even the "I like bacon" part? Because I don't think I could ever deny that part.
 
2009-03-25 02:36:40 AM  
Markoff_Cheney
Aw, its the wrong time of day for this greenlight. I'll check back later, lose interest after 150 or so posts, then just scroll for funny pictures. I hope there is a new funny picture or two. And jesus was a piece of cheese. Big farking mix up.



lol thats what I do.
 
2009-03-25 02:37:01 AM  

galewgleason: I had the pleasure of meeting the hell bound Christopher Hitchens this weekend.


OOoohhhHHHOOoo, I love Christopher Hitches, I almost never agree w/ him (atheism is the obvious exception) but he's crazy smart.

I also like this comic:

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2009-03-25 02:37:39 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Leviticus 18:22!



Leviticus is some crazy shiat. Eat shellfish? Stoning. Cut your hair? Stoning. Wife cheats on you? Stoning. Flat nose? No heaven for you. Crippled? Ditto. Wear two different types of fabric? BZZZT!

You have to laugh at anybody who says they take the bible literally.
 
2009-03-25 02:37:47 AM  
Ah, another religion thread. FUN.

/not
 
2009-03-25 02:37:56 AM  

ninjakirby: So long as it stays away from this...


Yeah, right... :)
 
2009-03-25 02:38:30 AM  
*Yawn* - I think it's too late in the day to start the blame game or start a flame war, but I may stick around to watch anyways.

/intolerance is universal
//nobody is exempt
///BTW, get some new pictures, I'm tired of seeing the same ones every single time
 
2009-03-25 02:39:05 AM  
Bevets or GTFO.
 
2009-03-25 02:39:06 AM  

Arklop: The worst people in any group tend to be the loudest and therefore most often heard. And not all ChristiansDUKES HATERS are fundamentalistsassholes. Those who are...well, read the first sentence again.

 
2009-03-25 02:39:52 AM  
koan

Never saw the "obligatory" post before, but I'm stealing that for some certain Bible thumpers.
 
2009-03-25 02:40:05 AM  
It's not that we dislike you, really. Most of you are quite curious and tolerant.

As for the rest of you, well.... It's just -- Could you just hold it down a little while the rest of us are becoming an enlightened race?
 
2009-03-25 02:40:55 AM  
While I agreed with the points the author was making, I don't feel they addressed the article topic. Does not anyone else feel rather unfulfilled by what could have been a far more scathing or flameworthy piece which was really just a preaching-to-the-choir style op-ed?

/all I have to say
//off to bed
 
2009-03-25 02:42:07 AM  

irreverence: I LOL'ed.

That headline will bring all the loons to the yard. *golf claps*


They be all like " damn right, it's better then yours...I'd teach you, but i'd have to charge"
 
2009-03-25 02:42:19 AM  

Vangor: While I agreed with the points the author was making, I don't feel they addressed the article topic. Does not anyone else feel rather unfulfilled by what could have been a far more scathing or flameworthy piece which was really just a preaching-to-the-choir style op-ed?

/all I have to say
//off to bed


They almost always are. Xtians, most Christians, are not interested in reading about atheism even while many atheists read up and study religion quite closely.
 
2009-03-25 02:42:32 AM  
Aw what the hell
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/making a pot of coffee
 
2009-03-25 02:43:23 AM  

brainiac-dumdum: Vangor: While I agreed with the points the author was making, I don't feel they addressed the article topic. Does not anyone else feel rather unfulfilled by what could have been a far more scathing or flameworthy piece which was really just a preaching-to-the-choir style op-ed?

/all I have to say
//off to bed

They almost always are. Xtians, most Christians, are not interested in reading about atheism even while many atheists read up and study religion quite closely.


I should say I personally have never met a Christian interested in studying atheism and I grew up in Texas around many a Christian.
 
2009-03-25 02:43:23 AM  

TheWarmonger: ///BTW, get some new pictures, I'm tired of seeing the same ones every single time



img148.imageshack.us


There you go. A nice pic of white Jesus being all majestic and stuff.
 
2009-03-25 02:43:55 AM  
Acts 2:15
 
2009-03-25 02:44:07 AM  

irreverence: That headline will bring all the loons to the yard.


youaintnopicasso.com

My headline brings all the loons to the yard...
 
2009-03-25 02:44:17 AM  
At least I'm not the only one who won't read the 900 posts of repeat arguments and just look for funny pictures.
 
2009-03-25 02:45:13 AM  
Yarg. Whenever I see these headlines, I just imagine the Mortal Kombat voice saying "FIGHT!"
 
2009-03-25 02:45:30 AM  

prekrasno: Bevets or GTFO.


Or just bust myths, Adam:

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2009-03-25 02:45:33 AM  
Summon Kerpal32...
When the universe is studied with all 11 dimensions in context, supernatural conclusions will be found and the ensuing god will cast all those dirty heathen atheists to the pit of hell.
Oh yea, and every athiests needs to be told that Athiesm does not equal science.
 
2009-03-25 02:45:59 AM  

EL_FABREZ: TheWarmonger: ///BTW, get some new pictures, I'm tired of seeing the same ones every single time

There you go. A nice pic of white Jesus being all majestic and stuff.


It could be white Muhammad during his Hjri to Medina.
 
2009-03-25 02:46:24 AM  

prekrasno: Bevets or GTFO.


I LOL'D
 
2009-03-25 02:47:49 AM  
Intolerant Christians? Unheard of. It's a brotherhood of compassion and acceptance.

/disregard crusades
//disregard salem witch trials
 
2009-03-25 02:48:00 AM  
It's been my life's mission to eliminate Christianity.

However, they're doing a fine job without my help. Keep up the "good" work guys.
 
2009-03-25 02:48:33 AM  

brainiac-dumdum: It could be white Muhammad during his Hjri to Medina.



Blaspheme! Jesus is pretty and white. Muhammad was a dirty brown person. And if that was Muhammad in the pic it wouldn't be a bald eagle flying overhead, it'd be a Predator drone.
 
2009-03-25 02:49:06 AM  
And please disregard Jerry Falwell
 
2009-03-25 02:49:32 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Leviticus 18:22


لاَ تُضَاجِعْ ذَكَراً مُضَاجَعَةَ امْرَأَةٍ. إِنَّهَا رَجَاسَةٌ?،
 
2009-03-25 02:50:26 AM  

EL_FABREZ: TheWarmonger: ///BTW, get some new pictures, I'm tired of seeing the same ones every single time

There you go. A nice pic of white Jesus being all majestic and stuff.


is he shooping the woop?
 
2009-03-25 02:51:49 AM  

EL_FABREZ: brainiac-dumdum: It could be white Muhammad during his Hjri to Medina.


Blaspheme! Jesus is pretty and white. Muhammad was a dirty brown person. And if that was Muhammad in the pic it wouldn't be a bald eagle flying overhead, it'd be a Predator drone.


lol, my bad
 
2009-03-25 02:53:35 AM  
i dont know about you but i get sick and tired of the atheist crap. its not our fault you refuse to acknowledge God. just stop trying to keep people from exercising their constitutional rights.
 
2009-03-25 02:54:05 AM  

UsikFark: is he shooping the woop?



I think that's just how he rolls. He's probably just going down to the local 7-11 to buy a pack of Newports, but he has to look awesome doing it.
 
2009-03-25 02:54:09 AM  

Britney_Spears: i dont know about you but i get sick and tired of the atheist crap. its not our fault you refuse to acknowledge God. just stop trying to keep people from exercising their constitutional rights.


lol
 
2009-03-25 02:55:22 AM  

UsikFark: What_Would_Jimi_Do: Leviticus 18:22

لاَ تُضَاجِعْ ذَكَراً مُضَاجَعَةَ امْرَأَةٍ. إِنَّهَا رَجَاسَةٌ?،


how dare you speak of black people and women in that manner!
 
2009-03-25 02:55:27 AM  

Britney_Spears: i dont know about you but i get sick and tired of the atheist crap. its not our fault you refuse to acknowledge God. just stop trying to keep people from exercising their constitutional rights.


8/10
 
2009-03-25 02:55:59 AM  
 
2009-03-25 02:56:22 AM  
shannynmoore.files.wordpress.com

Take THAT GilRuiz1
 
2009-03-25 02:56:43 AM  

Antidamascus: At least I'm not the only one who won't read the 900 posts of repeat arguments and just look for funny pictures.


Good to see the late crew has the same philosophy as me. We are a band of scroll ninjas, in it only for the lulz. I salute you all.

i50.photobucket.com
aprecioderobado.com
img416.imageshack.us
www.stupidedia.org
www.loona.net
img.photobucket.com
Ill just leave these here.
/wow, a GIS of loljesus yeilds much new fun.
//all hotter than the spot reserved for me in hell, where all my farking friends will be.
 
2009-03-25 02:57:08 AM  

EL_FABREZ: What_Would_Jimi_Do: Leviticus 18:22!


Leviticus is some crazy shiat. Eat shellfish? Stoning. Cut your hair? Stoning. Wife cheats on you? Stoning. Flat nose? No heaven for you. Crippled? Ditto. Wear two different types of fabric? BZZZT!

You have to laugh at anybody who says they take the bible literally.



It's precisely because of books like Leviticus that I laugh at people who try to pwn Christians by quoting the Old Testament. Since it's fairly early in this thread still, I'll give the atheists to come a little tip:

Christians are well aware of the "intolerance" (as we moderns would call it) and heavy-handedness of the Old Testament. This barbarity contrasted with the pacifism of Jesus Christ is precisely one of the differences distinguishing the Old Testament from the New Testament. I'd go into the theology and apologetics a bit, but I've smoked too much wacky tobacky.

(I don't mean to rag on atheists. Christianity has plenty wrong with it, metaphysically and perhaps even a bit morally. I just find it odd that, for all their intellectual pretensions, most rabidly anti-Christian atheists don't know a damn thing about the theology they hate so much.)
 
2009-03-25 02:57:12 AM  
Obligatory:
i16.photobucket.com
 
2009-03-25 02:57:26 AM  

EL_FABREZ: UsikFark: is he shooping the woop?


I think that's just how he rolls. He's probably just going down to the local 7-11 to buy a pack of Newports, but he has to look awesome doing it.


i629.photobucket.com

I think Jesus chills with the King
 
2009-03-25 02:59:17 AM  

The Name: EL_FABREZ: What_Would_Jimi_Do: Leviticus 18:22!


Leviticus is some crazy shiat. Eat shellfish? Stoning. Cut your hair? Stoning. Wife cheats on you? Stoning. Flat nose? No heaven for you. Crippled? Ditto. Wear two different types of fabric? BZZZT!

You have to laugh at anybody who says they take the bible literally.


It's precisely because of books like Leviticus that I laugh at people who try to pwn Christians by quoting the Old Testament. Since it's fairly early in this thread still, I'll give the atheists to come a little tip:

Christians are well aware of the "intolerance" (as we moderns would call it) and heavy-handedness of the Old Testament. This barbarity contrasted with the pacifism of Jesus Christ is precisely one of the differences distinguishing the Old Testament from the New Testament. I'd go into the theology and apologetics a bit, but I've smoked too much wacky tobacky.

(I don't mean to rag on atheists. Christianity has plenty wrong with it, metaphysically and perhaps even a bit morally. I just find it odd that, for all their intellectual pretensions, most rabidly anti-Christian atheists don't know a damn thing about the theology they hate so much.)


lol i am no chriatian, my quoting that scripture is from family guy. lol at you.
 
2009-03-25 02:59:37 AM  

Britney_Spears: i dont know about you but i get sick and tired of the atheist crap. its not our fault you refuse to acknowledge God. just stop trying to keep people from exercising their constitutional rights.


planetsave.com
ACKNOWLEDGIN SOME GOD RIGHT HERE
 
2009-03-25 02:59:47 AM  

GWSuperfan: Obligatory:


i629.photobucket.com
 
2009-03-25 02:59:59 AM  
christian
 
2009-03-25 03:00:41 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Atheism is not a religion^


Atheism IS a religion (new window)
 
2009-03-25 03:01:49 AM  

Britney_Spears: i dont know about you but i get sick and tired of the atheist crap. its not our fault you refuse to acknowledge God. just stop trying to keep people from exercising their constitutional rights.


Please tell me you're just trolling...please!
 
2009-03-25 03:01:58 AM  

brainiac-dumdum: Atheism IS a religion (new window)


EC FTW! It's funny how many people think he is serious.

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i246.photobucket.com

i246.photobucket.com

i246.photobucket.com
 
2009-03-25 03:02:31 AM  

brainiac-dumdum: Britney Spear's Speculum: Atheism is not a religion^

Atheism IS a religion (new window)


I don't think you heard the barking dogs in your head correctly.
 
2009-03-25 03:04:42 AM  

The Name: EL_FABREZ:

You have to laugh at anybody who says they take the bible literally.


It's precisely because of books like Leviticus that I laugh at people who try to pwn Christians by quoting the Old Testament. Since it's fairly early in this thread still, I'll give the atheists to come a little tip:



OK fine. You have to laugh at anybody who says they take the bible literally (see- Revelations, Book of David)

OR anybody who believe Jesus is the son of god, but is god, who has to sacrifice himself to save us from him, all because some broad (who was a mistranslation) ate a farking apple.
 
2009-03-25 03:05:19 AM  

brainiac-dumdum: Britney Spear's Speculum: Atheism is not a religion^

Atheism IS a religion (new window)


that dude is not funny. he is boring. his schtick is lame.
 
2009-03-25 03:06:14 AM  
Britney Spear's Speculum brainiac-dumdum: Atheism IS a religion (new window)

EC FTW! It's funny how many people think he is serious


The post beneath yers thinks I'm serious.
 
2009-03-25 03:06:41 AM  
I just think everyone needs to butt out of everyone else's farking business. I mean seriously, what the fark?

The only reason I'd single out certain christian groups (not all christians of course) because they have such a sense of entitlement. They believe that they can get overtly involved in politics and it not seen as being a violation of the separation of church and state...they protect their own rights (or at least their own vision of religious freedoms) with the sort of zealous fervour that one wonders if they'll shoot someone in the face for disagreeing, but are quite happy to try and force their own moral positions on everyone else.

one of the best canadian examples I can think of is the recent move by Canada to legialize gay marriage. While it did become legal for gay weddings, there were many stories floating around about American conservative (christian backed for the most part) organizations pouring millions of dollars into Canadian conservative think tanks and 'grassroots' movements.

What utter arrogance these people have...to actually pour millions into another country to block the move to provide greater freedoms and government accessibility to a minority population that has long been vilified.

Instead of spending that money to feed the poor, build affordable housing or help fund vital research, they wasted their money and effort to stop gay people from being able to marry in a FOREIGN country.

It disgusts me and it should disgust anyone that values the freedom of democracy, equal rights and all that groovy shiat.

My point is, some of the best people I know are religious, and many more are non-religious. We can all get along, but a very vocal and powerful minority is trying to ruin the party for the rest of us by constantly making a turd garnish for the punch bowl.
 
2009-03-25 03:07:34 AM  
wow that made me feel a lot better. Glad I got that off my chest. you may commence trolling.
 
2009-03-25 03:07:55 AM  

mandingueiro: brainiac-dumdum: Britney Spear's Speculum: Atheism is not a religion^

Atheism IS a religion (new window)

that dude is not funny. he is boring. his schtick is lame.


I think he's funny, but then again I have a sense of humor.
 
2009-03-25 03:08:05 AM  

TheWarmonger: ///BTW, get some new pictures, I'm tired of seeing the same ones every single time



home.roadrunner.com
Totally Agrees



/z-snap
 
2009-03-25 03:08:36 AM  
Meh. I'm gonna go cook some bacon.
 
2009-03-25 03:10:03 AM  
you guys are a real laugh riot. hide behind your stupid pictures, at least until your righteous judgement, that is.
 
2009-03-25 03:10:08 AM  
The best part of this artcile is where it is from. The UK. Fark, the UK is basicly a Muslim country now. The Queen shall now be requred to wear a Burka and never speak again. Christian are persecuted against in England by their own Socilist govenment. I believe one school there was forced to cancel their Christmas pagent because it interfered with some obscure Islamic holiday.

FYI...
www.loona.net

I felt this kind of pain this weekend
Shot 85 ewwwww....
 
2009-03-25 03:10:36 AM  
this shiat isn't random. any one that thinks that this entire thing we call existence is random? along with all this other shiat beyond anything we can comprehend is random? in less a 1000 years we have named all the elements, came up with laws of motion, and made weapons that can remove us. it may not be the christian god or the muslim god or the buddhist god etc etc etc, something is in control. if you believe this is all random, wow.
 
2009-03-25 03:11:23 AM  

Ditto: Meh. I'm gonna go cook some bacon.



Hope that bacon is worth an eternity of suffering in hell, sinner.
 
2009-03-25 03:11:29 AM  

hostJP: The best part of this artcile is where it is from. The UK. Fark, the UK is basicly a Muslim country now. The Queen shall now be requred to wear a Burka and never speak again. Christian are persecuted against in England by their own Socilist govenment. I believe one school there was forced to cancel their Christmas pagent because it interfered with some obscure Islamic holiday.

FYI...


I felt this kind of pain this weekend
Shot 85 ewwwww....


nicely done. Just subtle enough.
 
2009-03-25 03:13:35 AM  

Britney_Spears: you guys are a real laugh riot. hide behind your stupid pictures, at least until your righteous judgement, that is.


I get the satisfaction of seeing you waste your life believing in the supernatural. Limiting yourself to these made up rules that have no factual basis and solely exist to keep you in line.

Oh, and being your speculum.
 
2009-03-25 03:14:28 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: this shiat isn't random. any one that thinks that this entire thing we call existence is random?



It isn't random. We're fulfilling odds. If you think about all the mass in this universe and how old it actually is you'd figure this had to happen somewhere. So it's best not to keep being preoccupied with supernatural divinity.
 
2009-03-25 03:14:31 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Britney_Spears: you guys are a real laugh riot. hide behind your stupid pictures, at least until your righteous judgement, that is.

I get the satisfaction of seeing you waste your life believing in the supernatural. Limiting yourself to these made up rules that have no factual basis and solely exist to keep you in line.

Oh, and being your speculum.


He's kidding
 
2009-03-25 03:14:38 AM  

EL_FABREZ: The Name: EL_FABREZ:

You have to laugh at anybody who says they take the bible literally.


It's precisely because of books like Leviticus that I laugh at people who try to pwn Christians by quoting the Old Testament. Since it's fairly early in this thread still, I'll give the atheists to come a little tip:


OK fine. You have to laugh at anybody who says they take the bible literally (see- Revelations, Book of David)

OR anybody who believe Jesus is the son of god, but is god, who has to sacrifice himself to save us from him, all because some broad (who was a mistranslation) ate a farking apple.


Well, the issue of the person of Christ is a completely different issue. If you want to criticize Christians on that basis, then fine, that's a very fair starting point. I was just referring to people who try to paint Christians as adhering to a barbaric ideology by quoting the Old Testament.

Also, I wasn't trying to be snarky at your post. Your bringing up of the book of Leviticus just brought that pet peeve to mind. You're right, it's pretty crazy shiat.
 
2009-03-25 03:15:17 AM  

CanadianCommie: We can all get along, but a very vocal and powerful minority is trying to ruin the party for the rest of us by constantly making a turd garnish for the punch bowl.


Welcome to Fark :)
 
2009-03-25 03:15:27 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: this shiat isn't random. any one that thinks that this entire thing we call existence is random? along with all this other shiat beyond anything we can comprehend is random? in less a 1000 years we have named all the elements, came up with laws of motion, and made weapons that can remove us. it may not be the christian god or the muslim god or the buddhist god etc etc etc, something is in control. if you believe this is all random, wow.


and the fact that you believe that a man created this 'random shiat' is even funnier.
 
2009-03-25 03:16:40 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: I get the satisfaction of seeing you waste your life believing in the supernatural. Limiting yourself to these made up rules that have no factual basis and solely exist to keep you in line.

i dont follow rules, i follow my heart. my heart belongs to God so I know i'm on the right path. bet you cant say the same.

Oh, and being your speculum.


the way you spell your username, the speculum belongs to 'britney spear'. thats not me.
 
2009-03-25 03:16:45 AM  

TheWarmonger: Welcome to Fark :)


hey man I still remember when titty links were on the main page. That shiat was AWESOME.
 
2009-03-25 03:16:55 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: What_Would_Jimi_Do: this shiat isn't random. any one that thinks that this entire thing we call existence is random? along with all this other shiat beyond anything we can comprehend is random? in less a 1000 years we have named all the elements, came up with laws of motion, and made weapons that can remove us. it may not be the christian god or the muslim god or the buddhist god etc etc etc, something is in control. if you believe this is all random, wow.

and the fact that you believe that a man created this 'random shiat' is even funnier.


did i say man? nope
 
2009-03-25 03:17:13 AM  

The Name: I was just referring to people who try to paint Christians as adhering to a barbaric ideology by quoting the Old Testament.


I'm more afraid of people who take Revelations literally than the Old Testament.
 
2009-03-25 03:18:59 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: did i say man? nope


semantics

man, person, supernatural being, 'intelligent' being etc...all are hilarious/
 
2009-03-25 03:19:10 AM  

Britney_Spears: you guys are a real laugh riot. hide behind your stupid pictures, at least until your righteous judgement, that is.


media.nowpublic.net
THEY SEE ME HIDIN, THEY HATIN.
 
2009-03-25 03:20:08 AM  

EL_FABREZ: The Name: I was just referring to people who try to paint Christians as adhering to a barbaric ideology by quoting the Old Testament.

I'm more afraid of people who take Revelations literally than the Old Testament.


totally, not to mention all the schnit that Paul spewed.
 
2009-03-25 03:20:27 AM  

CanadianCommie: TheWarmonger: Welcome to Fark :)

hey man I still remember when titty links were on the main page. That shiat was AWESOME.


Its been a long time. They changed the format, they took away the boobs, but at least I can still troll the trolls. Now that I post regularly.
 
2009-03-25 03:20:51 AM  
the only thing i know is i am not in control, and i am far from religious. any sort of religious. something is in control and i am not it.
 
2009-03-25 03:22:23 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: the only thing i know is i am not in control, and i am far from religious. any sort of religious. something is in control and i am not it.


It's the laws of physics and biology
 
2009-03-25 03:22:25 AM  
I am sick of Tolerance. Tolerance is AGAINST humanity. The Fundamental (Strong, Weak, Electromagnetic, Gravity) Forces are not Tolerant, That's why the universe exists and evolves. Inorganic molecules are not tolerant, that's why life started. No life form has ever been tolerant, that's why we evolved. That's why we exist. INTOLERANCE. Each system doing it's best for itself. That brought us here. It's what we are. If Animals had been tolerant and weak, they wouldn't have eaten the lowest specimens, and there would be no life in this planet. It's hard to accept, for the modern human being, that being cruel is necessary. Even the most cruels man of today lie and justify their actions. There's no need to do that. Anything STRONG is GOOD. Anything that destroys weakness and elevates the human being is GOOD. Religion is Weakness of the mind. But Don't believe me. Let evolution decide. Stop being considerate to each other. That kills evolution. Let the Religious people try to destroy Atheism, and let the Atheists try to destroy Religion. Evolution will take care of choosing the best of each, and man will better at the end of the day.
Religions that preach tolerance, weakness, humility, poverty (Like Christianism) are PERVERSE religions. They foment the worst of the human being, and attack the instincts that made us what we are. They must be destroyed. Atheists that preach peace and tolerance and freedom of beliefs are weak too, and must be destroyed too.

It's time for the human being to embrace its true roots, and let evolution continue, take the evolution of the human race in its hands and lead it to the future. without mercy, without shame, without doubt. Any action that goes against the natural laws is SUICIDAL.
 
2009-03-25 03:22:55 AM  
I can remember reading something about casting the first stone or something like that, what was that book?
 
2009-03-25 03:23:26 AM  
What_Would_Jimi_Do: the only thing i know is i am not in control

You are an automaton?
 
2009-03-25 03:23:55 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: What_Would_Jimi_Do: did i say man? nope

semantics

man, person, supernatural being, 'intelligent' being etc...all are hilarious/


did i say man, person, supernatural being, 'intelligent' being etc?

you are the "moran" holding that sign.
 
2009-03-25 03:24:27 AM  

Markoff_Cheney: CanadianCommie: TheWarmonger: Welcome to Fark :)

hey man I still remember when titty links were on the main page. That shiat was AWESOME.

Its been a long time. They changed the format, they took away the boobs, but at least I can still troll the trolls. Now that I post regularly.


Ahh I keep hearing about the good ole days... Shame I didn't catch on to this back then. At least I participate now...

/Tried to find a pic of Squid Jesus
//Failed at GIS
//Totally have to get this shirt
images6.cafepress.com
 
2009-03-25 03:24:28 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: the only thing i know is i am not in control, and i am far from religious. any sort of religious. something is in control and i am not it.



So don't automatically assume it's a deity. Just remember our tiny brains can't figure everything out, yet. Even Newton hit a wall and had to resort to god, even though somebody figured out what was wrong with his calculations just a few years later.
 
2009-03-25 03:25:25 AM  

brainiac-dumdum: What_Would_Jimi_Do: the only thing i know is i am not in control, and i am far from religious. any sort of religious. something is in control and i am not it.

It's the laws of physics and biology


then that is what is in control, right.
 
2009-03-25 03:25:37 AM  

EL_FABREZ: The Name: I was just referring to people who try to paint Christians as adhering to a barbaric ideology by quoting the Old Testament.

I'm more afraid of people who take Revelations literally than the Old Testament.


So you're more afraid of the people than of the Testament itself? That's kind of weird . . .


[Insert grammar Nazi cartoon here]

Anyway, the reason you're more afraid of Revelations literalists than of OT literalists is because the Revelations literalists happen to be more radical, for political and social reasons that have little to do with Revelations itself. Also, OT literalists practically don't exist.

Since I've found myself splitting hairs with a moron, it looks like it's time for bed. Let me know if this thread solves any great metaphysical conundrums.
 
2009-03-25 03:25:55 AM  

brainiac-dumdum: EL_FABREZ: The Name: I was just referring to people who try to paint Christians as adhering to a barbaric ideology by quoting the Old Testament.

I'm more afraid of people who take Revelations literally than the Old Testament.

totally, not to mention all the schnit that Paul spewed.


I'm not as much concerned with the Revelations bullshiat happening....I'm more concerned with the followers who are going to try and MAKE it happen
 
2009-03-25 03:26:15 AM  
fundamental christians still rank at the top as far as how annoying groups of people can be.

but man, "athiests" and agnostics are challenging them for the title
 
2009-03-25 03:26:16 AM  
The revelations believers? AWESOME.
I am a member of the Rentacostal Church. Bringing on the apocalypse for 100$ a month.
www.cadrequarters.com
 
2009-03-25 03:26:41 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: brainiac-dumdum: What_Would_Jimi_Do: the only thing i know is i am not in control, and i am far from religious. any sort of religious. something is in control and i am not it.

It's the laws of physics and biology

then that is what is in control, right.


i am neither the laws of physics or biology.
 
2009-03-25 03:26:43 AM  

almafuerte: I am sick of Tolerance. Tolerance is AGAINST humanity. The Fundamental (Strong, Weak, Electromagnetic, Gravity) Forces are not Tolerant, That's why the universe exists and evolves. Inorganic molecules are not tolerant, that's why life started. No life form has ever been tolerant, that's why we evolved. That's why we exist. INTOLERANCE. Each system doing it's best for itself. That brought us here. It's what we are. If Animals had been tolerant and weak, they wouldn't have eaten the lowest specimens, and there would be no life in this planet. It's hard to accept, for the modern human being, that being cruel is necessary. Even the most cruels man of today lie and justify their actions. There's no need to do that. Anything STRONG is GOOD. Anything that destroys weakness and elevates the human being is GOOD. Religion is Weakness of the mind. But Don't believe me. Let evolution decide. Stop being considerate to each other. That kills evolution. Let the Religious people try to destroy Atheism, and let the Atheists try to destroy Religion. Evolution will take care of choosing the best of each, and man will better at the end of the day.
Religions that preach tolerance, weakness, humility, poverty (Like Christianism) are PERVERSE religions. They foment the worst of the human being, and attack the instincts that made us what we are. They must be destroyed. Atheists that preach peace and tolerance and freedom of beliefs are weak too, and must be destroyed too.

It's time for the human being to embrace its true roots, and let evolution continue, take the evolution of the human race in its hands and lead it to the future. without mercy, without shame, without doubt. Any action that goes against the natural laws is SUICIDAL.


Wow... But that the fark is Christianism. Also, no more Red Bull for you.
 
2009-03-25 03:26:43 AM  
ninjakirby
Holden C: Have at it people...

So long as it stays away from this...


B b b b but I like bacon!!

:-(
 
2009-03-25 03:28:01 AM  

The Name: Anyway, the reason you're more afraid of Revelations literalists than of OT literalists is because the Revelations literalists happen to be more radical, for political and social reasons that have little to do with Revelations itself. Also, OT literalists practically don't exist.


Aren't orthodox Jews Old Testament literals?
 
2009-03-25 03:28:28 AM  
Maybe because the vocal Christians tend to be the really intolerant ones that hate science, art, literature, and anything else good society produces? I mean I realize that moderate Christians exist, but the loud ones are bible thumpers.

I'm personally looking into Taoism.. I find the beliefs sensible, and I think the philosophy could fit well into my life. Eh.

/I was saved at the last Save Point, I can reload if I have trouble
//body will be donated to science, soul is my business only
 
2009-03-25 03:29:07 AM  

punta_gorda_allstar: fundamental christians still rank at the top as far as how annoying groups of people can be.

but man, "athiests" and agnostics are challenging them for the title


"athiests" huh
 
2009-03-25 03:29:30 AM  

EL_FABREZ: What_Would_Jimi_Do: the only thing i know is i am not in control, and i am far from religious. any sort of religious. something is in control and i am not it.


So don't automatically assume it's a deity. Just remember our tiny brains can't figure everything out, yet. Even Newton hit a wall and had to resort to god, even though somebody figured out what was wrong with his calculations just a few years later.


did i say what was in control was a diety? nope
 
2009-03-25 03:30:02 AM  

punta_gorda_allstar: but man, "athiests" and agnostics are challenging them for the title



No, you're making observations with out considering the context of the situation:

When others try to legislate their beliefs onto other people in direct violation with the constitution, you're going to meet resistance.

If you just find the 'resistance' annoying, maybe you should pay more attention to the situation.
 
2009-03-25 03:30:03 AM  
brainiac-dumdum: not to mention all the schnit that Paul spewed

To be fair half of what's attributed to Paul in the Bible isn't even his work. Guess which half is the farked up half?
 
2009-03-25 03:30:37 AM  
almafuerte: If Animals had been tolerant and weak, they wouldn't have eaten the lowest specimens, and there would be no life in this planet.

wut?

Let evolution decide. Stop being considerate to each other. That kills evolution.

We evolved to be considerate. It makes us function better as social organisms, thus helping to ensure the survival of our species.

let evolution continue

Evolution has never stopped.

I get the feeling that you think evolution is "survival of the fittest" and therefore "the strong survive". However, this is not true. Evolution is the survival of the fit enough, i.e. anyone able to adapt and reproduce. Evolution has no goals to make something stronger, better, more intelligent, whatever. Evolution is merely the change in allele frequencies in a population over time as those fit enough to reproduce and pass on their traits do so.

Perhaps you should take a biology class or two before condoning a course of action that would be more likely to hurt our species than help it. Perhaps take a look at the way various other social organisms evolve as well. Cooperation, compassion, and consideration are evolved traits in many social organisms and they are some of the main traits that help help those organisms continue their existence.
 
2009-03-25 03:30:41 AM  

hostJP: Ahh I keep hearing about the good ole days... Shame I didn't catch on to this back then. At least I participate now...


there weren't any tabs either. Other than that meaning the exodus of the titty links, the tabs have been extremely helpful at finding a link that you want or keeping track of threads.
 
2009-03-25 03:31:32 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: EL_FABREZ: What_Would_Jimi_Do: the only thing i know is i am not in control, and i am far from religious. any sort of religious. something is in control and i am not it.


So don't automatically assume it's a deity. Just remember our tiny brains can't figure everything out, yet. Even Newton hit a wall and had to resort to god, even though somebody figured out what was wrong with his calculations just a few years later.

did i say what was in control was a diety? nope


maybe you should explain what you did mean...
 
2009-03-25 03:31:45 AM  
Lenny_da_Hog: It's not that we dislike you, really. Most of you are quite curious and tolerant.
As for the rest of you, well.... It's just -- Could you just hold it down a little while the rest of us are becoming an enlightened race?


Humanity? Becoming an enlightened race? What book of children's fairytales did you pull that from? Because no honest appraisal of our species would ever lead you to such an outrageously unsupportable conclusion.
 
2009-03-25 03:31:51 AM  
I think I'm going to start my own religion. A place were most men, and some women, will come in droves, fill may collection plate, and fund my gigantic tax shelter for years and years to come. Yes brothers and sisters. I invite you to join the Church of Naked Boobies!!! No boobie will go unappreciated. No nipple will go unviewed. Big or small, we do not allow any dicrimination in my church. We just require all females who wish to be worshiped to submit a full color photo of the boobies in question. World peace is but 2 areolas away people. Follow me to the promise land!!!!
 
2009-03-25 03:31:55 AM  
I'm going to sit this one out.
 
2009-03-25 03:32:15 AM  
ahh yes, nothing like being intolerant of intolerant people...the circle is complete. Why not just let them be intolerant so you have some ground to stand on?
 
2009-03-25 03:33:07 AM  
hostJP: Also, no more Red Bull for you.

Also, this. Very well said.

;)
 
2009-03-25 03:35:45 AM  
because the majority of people live in their parents basements, do they call their parents dieties? the parents control their lives?

nothing controls what i do. but something controls the world and the universe we live in. is it newtons laws? if so, that is it.

i don't know, neither do any of you. something does.

what you choose to call that "something" is your choice.
 
2009-03-25 03:35:47 AM  

mamoru: hostJP: Also, no more Red Bull for you.

Also, this. Very well said.

;)


Thanks man, that's my first "this". I feel like i belong now.!!!
 
2009-03-25 03:37:16 AM  
What_Would_Jimi_Do: something does.

What makes you say so? Do you have any evidence to back up this assertion?
 
2009-03-25 03:37:51 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: i don't know, neither do any of you. something does.


The burden of proof is on you to prove that this 'something' exists.

Otherwise, I'm gonna have to go with the null hypothesis on this one
 
2009-03-25 03:38:32 AM  

almafuerte: I am sick of Tolerance. Tolerance is AGAINST humanity. The Fundamental (Strong, Weak, Electromagnetic, Gravity) Forces are not Tolerant, That's why the universe exists and evolves. Inorganic molecules are not tolerant, that's why life started. No life form has ever been tolerant, that's why we evolved. That's why we exist. INTOLERANCE. Each system doing it's best for itself. That brought us here. It's what we are. If Animals had been tolerant and weak, they wouldn't have eaten the lowest specimens, and there would be no life in this planet. It's hard to accept, for the modern human being, that being cruel is necessary. Even the most cruels man of today lie and justify their actions. There's no need to do that. Anything STRONG is GOOD. Anything that destroys weakness and elevates the human being is GOOD. Religion is Weakness of the mind. But Don't believe me. Let evolution decide. Stop being considerate to each other. That kills evolution. Let the Religious people try to destroy Atheism, and let the Atheists try to destroy Religion. Evolution will take care of choosing the best of each, and man will better at the end of the day.
Religions that preach tolerance, weakness, humility, poverty (Like Christianism) are PERVERSE religions. They foment the worst of the human being, and attack the instincts that made us what we are. They must be destroyed. Atheists that preach peace and tolerance and freedom of beliefs are weak too, and must be destroyed too.

It's time for the human being to embrace its true roots, and let evolution continue, take the evolution of the human race in its hands and lead it to the future. without mercy, without shame, without doubt. Any action that goes against the natural laws is SUICIDAL.


upload.wikimedia.org

Even he thinks you went too far.
 
2009-03-25 03:39:36 AM  

mamoru: What makes you say so? Do you have any evidence to back up this assertion?


He'll probably ask us to disprove that it doesn't exist.
He probably will also say that off is a TV channel.
 
2009-03-25 03:40:45 AM  
Who would win in a guitar battle between Lemmy and God?
God
Buzzz wrong, Cuz Lemmy is God


videodetective.com
 
2009-03-25 03:43:17 AM  

mamoru: What_Would_Jimi_Do: something does.

What makes you say so? Do you have any evidence to back up this assertion?


Britney Spear's Speculum: What_Would_Jimi_Do: i don't know, neither do any of you. something does.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that this 'something' exists.

Otherwise, I'm gonna have to go with the null hypothesis on this one


if you wanna live a life blindly, that is your choice. something more powerful than me is in control. whatever you wanna call what i believe in, is up to your dumb ass. i don't know what to call it. that is your problem.
 
2009-03-25 03:43:39 AM  

The Name:
Well, the issue of the person of Christ is a completely different issue. If you want to criticize Christians on that basis, then fine, that's a very fair starting point. I was just referring to people who try to paint Christians as adhering to a barbaric ideology by quoting the Old Testament.


I think honestly if most Christians lived by the words of Jesus, rather then the dogma of Paul or the barbarity of the OT, most folks wouldn't have any issues. However when ever the topic of homosexuality or something similar which Jesus never mentioned, the old stand by is digging in to the OT for support. In argumentation, you bring up a topic on direct, expect it to be used in cross. If you tell me that homosexuality is an abomination, prepared to be mocked with the rest of Leviticus.
 
2009-03-25 03:43:39 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: What_Would_Jimi_Do: i don't know, neither do any of you. something does.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that this 'something' exists.

Otherwise, I'm gonna have to go with the null hypothesis on this one


LOL PROVE GOD EXISTS! CHECK AND MATE!
OMG PROVE GOD DOESNT EXIST! CHECK AND MATE!
stale.
 
2009-03-25 03:46:56 AM  
call me a christian whatever.

how many christians listen to slayer, motorhead, megadeth, iron maiden, steppenwolf, hendrix, celtic frost, death angel, thin lizzy etc.

i am not a chrsitian believer. whatever you wanna call me is all right with me.
 
2009-03-25 03:47:42 AM  
I'd like to point out that this is a silly sweeping broad statement that can't possibly be true. Like "All muslims are trained killers", "All athiests wish the death of religion", or "All lawyers are weasels."

It's best to just walk away from people who aren't capable of proving their position, because they have exaggerated it to grab a headline. I dare say any eight year old has figured out how to identify when someone has skipped a few rungs of logical thought.

It's far easier(one would hope) to instead point out the shortcomings of any belief system itself, be specific as possible, and then work with someone to come up with solutions. It doesn't work even 1 in 3 times, but that's because people are mostly idiots.

/And then you can go online and argue with them there.
 
2009-03-25 03:47:46 AM  

The Name: Also, OT literalists practically don't exist.


It depends on your definition of OT literalists. Literalist in the sense that they believe everything that is laid out in the OT happed exactly nor nearly so as written in the OT, yes they do. They just tend also to be revelation literalists as well which makes them hard to separate out.
 
2009-03-25 03:48:17 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: if you wanna live a life blindly, that is your choice. something more powerful than me is in control. whatever you wanna call what i believe in, is up to your dumb ass. i don't know what to call it. that is your problem.


So you're full of shiat and can't prove and we've call you on it. So you're going to ad hom the issue.

Typical.
 
2009-03-25 03:48:35 AM  
What_Would_Jimi_Do: if you wanna live a life blindly, that is your choice. something more powerful than me is in control. whatever you wanna call what i believe in, is up to your dumb ass. i don't know what to call it. that is your problem.

Does this mean you are not going to answer my very simple question?
 
2009-03-25 03:48:38 AM  

Markoff_Cheney: Britney Spear's Speculum: What_Would_Jimi_Do: i don't know, neither do any of you. something does.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that this 'something' exists.

Otherwise, I'm gonna have to go with the null hypothesis on this one

LOL PROVE GOD EXISTS! CHECK AND MATE!
OMG PROVE GOD DOESNT EXIST! CHECK AND MATE!
stale.


i never said god exists? did i ever say god?
you are a moran.
 
2009-03-25 03:50:39 AM  
Um, guys? The author of this article was actually female, therefore rendering this entire thread null and void.

/yep, you just spent this long arguing about an article written by a chick
//and it wasn't an article comparing her tits to her ass
///if a man had written that article, it would have been intelligent
 
2009-03-25 03:51:11 AM  

mamoru: What_Would_Jimi_Do: if you wanna live a life blindly, that is your choice. something more powerful than me is in control. whatever you wanna call what i believe in, is up to your dumb ass. i don't know what to call it. that is your problem.

Does this mean you are not going to answer my very simple question?


answered more than one time
 
2009-03-25 03:51:29 AM  
Organized religion is the reason I am on the fence about a lot of things. Honestly, I am perfectly OK with making the "Leap of Faith" that God does exist. The thing that I have a problem with is some telling me I have to go to a certain location and a specific time to show my belief in God. Lets be honest, the Bible was written by men, therefore flawed. I really think God has a great sense of humor. (see Britney Spears) He's setting in heaven, with a beer in one hand, a remote in the other, and laughing at we puny humans who take out religion way too seriously.

/Steps down from soapbox
 
2009-03-25 03:51:58 AM  
this thread is full of crazy now
 
2009-03-25 03:52:38 AM  

You can has my username: Um, guys? The author of this article was actually female, therefore rendering this entire thread null and void.

/yep, you just spent this long arguing about an article written by a chick
//and it wasn't an article comparing her tits to her ass
///if a man had written that article, it would have been intelligent


also, fark you
 
2009-03-25 03:52:49 AM  
What_Would_Jimi_Do: answered more than one time

No, you didn't. I asked you what evidence you have as the basis of your assertion that "something is in control" and you went off on a tirade not having said what that something is.

I wasn't asking what it is. I'm asking what leads you to assert that "something" even exists at all.
 
2009-03-25 03:52:53 AM  

Markoff_Cheney: LOL PROVE GOD EXISTS! CHECK AND MATE!
OMG PROVE GOD DOESNT EXIST! CHECK AND MATE!
stale.


No, I and other atheists don't have to disprove ANYTHING. Other people have injected this god fellow into our society and our culture with out any proof of it's existence. Do you know what the null hypothesis means?

Prove god exists in the physical universe. If believers have this proof, by all means, divulge it. But they don't. So why is it my job to DISPROVE god existence? They're the ones saying he exists.

This video clarifies my point.
 
2009-03-25 03:54:03 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Markoff_Cheney: Britney Spear's Speculum: What_Would_Jimi_Do: i don't know, neither do any of you. something does.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that this 'something' exists.

Otherwise, I'm gonna have to go with the null hypothesis on this one

LOL PROVE GOD EXISTS! CHECK AND MATE!
OMG PROVE GOD DOESNT EXIST! CHECK AND MATE!
stale.

i never said god exists? did i ever say god?
you are a moran.


Did I ever take this thread seriously? Or take a side? Just pointed out the frivolity of this argument which you were about to get into, with a joke. I can name call too! You are a farkbait. Or a shiatfist. Cockbrander? Anal dinner plate?
 
2009-03-25 03:54:16 AM  
all i have said is something is in control and i am not the (thing, person, whatever) in control and i have no idea what to call this(thing, person, whatever).

all i said is i am not in control. so fark all you that are trying to prove otherwise.
 
2009-03-25 03:54:59 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: all i have said is something is in control and i am not the (thing, person, whatever) in control and i have no idea what to call this(thing, person, whatever).

all i said is i am not in control. so fark all you that are trying to prove otherwise.


are you on mushrooms?
 
2009-03-25 03:55:15 AM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: Did you know that your username is poorly punctuated? No offence, but it bugs me every time I see it in a thread. It should be "Spears's".

Yeah, I've said my bit. I'm out now.

/PS... A GIRL wrote the article
//yes, a GIRL
///you're all arguing over something written by a dumb coont instead of a human being
 
2009-03-25 03:55:35 AM  
For giggles.

As for new pictures, this one doesn't see much action:

i75.photobucket.com

and fo course, drunk and embittered jesus TOLD YOU HE WAS HARDCORE!
 
2009-03-25 03:56:00 AM  
What_Would_Jimi_Do: all i have said is something is in control and i am not the (thing, person, whatever) in control and i have no idea what to call this(thing, person, whatever).

all i said is i am not in control. so fark all you that are trying to prove otherwise.


I am not trying to prove you otherwise. I am asking you very specifically what your basis is for this assertion. It's a simple question. What is your basis for this assertion?
 
2009-03-25 03:56:38 AM  
brainiac-dumdum: this thread is full of crazy now

Indeed.
 
2009-03-25 03:58:01 AM  

mamoru: What_Would_Jimi_Do: answered more than one time

No, you didn't. I asked you what evidence you have as the basis of your assertion that "something is in control" and you went off on a tirade not having said what that something is.

I wasn't asking what it is. I'm asking what leads you to assert that "something" even exists at all.


go outside and look at the sun and the stars, who controls that? physics? something does. i am not it.
 
2009-03-25 03:58:33 AM  

You can has my username: Britney Spear's Speculum: Did you know that your username is poorly punctuated? No offence, but it bugs me every time I see it in a thread. It should be "Spears's".

Actually, I think it should be Spears'

Failing at point out failure...
I live with my mom

 
2009-03-25 03:58:56 AM  

mamoru: brainiac-dumdum: this thread is full of crazy now

Indeed.


The best farking brand of crazy.
 
2009-03-25 04:00:24 AM  

You can has my username: Britney Spear's Speculum: Did you know that your username is poorly punctuated? No offence, but it bugs me every time I see it in a thread. It should be "Spears's".

Yeah, I've said my bit. I'm out now.

/PS... A GIRL wrote the article
//yes, a GIRL
///you're all arguing over something written by a dumb coont instead of a human being



I was drunk when I made the login, so HA HA!

Yes I know it's a typo
 
2009-03-25 04:01:06 AM  

mamoru: brainiac-dumdum: this thread is full of crazy now

Indeed.


thirded
 
2009-03-25 04:01:34 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: mamoru: What_Would_Jimi_Do: answered more than one time

No, you didn't. I asked you what evidence you have as the basis of your assertion that "something is in control" and you went off on a tirade not having said what that something is.

I wasn't asking what it is. I'm asking what leads you to assert that "something" even exists at all.

go outside and look at the sun and the stars, who controls that? physics? something does. i am not it.

What_Would_Jimi_Do: mamoru: What_Would_Jimi_Do: answered more than one time

No, you didn't. I asked you what evidence you have as the basis of your assertion that "something is in control" and you went off on a tirade not having said what that something is.

I wasn't asking what it is. I'm asking what leads you to assert that "something" even exists at all.

go outside and look at the sun and the stars, who controls that? physics? something does. i am not it.


like i said something is in control, i am not that thing
 
2009-03-25 04:01:37 AM  
What_Would_Jimi_Do: go outside and look at the sun and the stars, who controls that? physics? something does. i am not it.

Why do you say "who controls that?"?

Why don't you say "what?"?

Based on your question question of "who?", I must revise my question: what is the basis of your assertion that some entity is in control?

Just to reiterate, I am asking about "some entity" specifically because you asked the question "Who?" which leads me to think that you believe that it is "some entity".
 
2009-03-25 04:03:06 AM  

Jedi_Templar: almafuerte: I am sick of Tolerance. Tolerance is AGAINST humanity. The Fundamental (Strong, Weak, Electromagnetic, Gravity) Forces are not Tolerant, That's why the universe exists and evolves. Inorganic molecules are not tolerant, that's why life started. No life form has ever been tolerant, that's why we evolved. That's why we exist. INTOLERANCE. Each system doing it's best for itself. That brought us here. It's what we are. If Animals had been tolerant and weak, they wouldn't have eaten the lowest specimens, and there would be no life in this planet. It's hard to accept, for the modern human being, that being cruel is necessary. Even the most cruels man of today lie and justify their actions. There's no need to do that. Anything STRONG is GOOD. Anything that destroys weakness and elevates the human being is GOOD. Religion is Weakness of the mind. But Don't believe me. Let evolution decide. Stop being considerate to each other. That kills evolution. Let the Religious people try to destroy Atheism, and let the Atheists try to destroy Religion. Evolution will take care of choosing the best of each, and man will better at the end of the day.
Religions that preach tolerance, weakness, humility, poverty (Like Christianism) are PERVERSE religions. They foment the worst of the human being, and attack the instincts that made us what we are. They must be destroyed. Atheists that preach peace and tolerance and freedom of beliefs are weak too, and must be destroyed too.

It's time for the human being to embrace its true roots, and let evolution continue, take the evolution of the human race in its hands and lead it to the future. without mercy, without shame, without doubt. Any action that goes against the natural laws is SUICIDAL.

Even he thinks you went too far.



Well, Thank you! That's a big compliment.
Anyway, if you actually read Frederich throughly, you'll see he's not far away from what I'm saying ...

From Nietzsche's masterpiece, The Antichrist:

Schopenhauer washostile to life: that is why pity appeared to him as a virtue....Aristotle, as every one knows, saw in pity a sickly and dangerous stateof mind, the remedy for which was an occasional purgative: he regardedtragedy as that purgative. The instinct of life should prompt us to seeksome means of puncturing any such pathological and dangerousaccumulation of pity as that appearing in Schopenhauer's case (and also,alack, in that of our whole literary _decadence_, from St. Petersburg toParis, from Tolstoi to Wagner), that it may burst and be discharged....Nothing is more unhealthy, amid all our unhealthy modernism, thanChristian pity. To be the doctors _here_, to be unmerciful _here_, towield the knife _here_--all this is _our_ business, all this is _our_sort of humanity, by this sign we are philosophers, we Hyperboreans!--
 
2009-03-25 04:03:39 AM  
if physics is in control, that is the entity, that would be whom. stop now loser.
 
2009-03-25 04:04:37 AM  
What_Would_Jimi_Do: if physics is in control, that is the entity, that would be whom. stop now loser.

but, physics is not an entity. Physics is a field of study.
 
2009-03-25 04:05:23 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Leviticus 18:22


And you remember Matthew 21-17
 
2009-03-25 04:06:42 AM  

wildsnowllama: What_Would_Jimi_Do: Leviticus 18:22

And you remember Matthew 21-17


you are the biggest moran of all, that was a family guy quote, meant as a joke.
 
2009-03-25 04:08:37 AM  
mamoru: I get the feeling that you think evolution is "survival of the fittest" and therefore "the strong survive

Also, contrary to what the rugged individualist types love to spout, evolution doesn't much care about any individual. It only concerns itself with populations and the fitness of the group.

Jedi_Templar: Even he thinks you went too far.

Given the post was almost nihilistic, he would have been very against it. Given that he despised nihilism.
 
2009-03-25 04:11:46 AM  

mamoru: What_Would_Jimi_Do: if physics is in control, that is the entity, that would be whom. stop now loser.

but, physics is not an entity. Physics is a field of study.


named by human, so by your field of study so would christianism. no different? of muslim or hindu or islam? those are fields of study?
 
2009-03-25 04:12:45 AM  
I need more popcorn. Should I pray some appears in my bowl or get off my ass and make it myself?
 
2009-03-25 04:14:28 AM  
Ctrl+F
bevets
Next
Next
Next
Next
*exit thread*
 
2009-03-25 04:16:15 AM  
hostJP: No, it's definitely "Spears's". The "s'" form is only for possessive plurals. See here for more info.
 
2009-03-25 04:16:21 AM  
What_Would_Jimi_Do: named by human, so by your field of study so would christianism. no different? of muslim or hindu or islam? those are fields of study?

Hmmm... It is at this point in our conversation that I must ask, is English your first language?

In response to your question, yes, they are different. Those by themselves are not fields of study. However, theology is a field of study which may include analysis of all of those belief systems.

/not sure if I'm being trolled of if I've made someone's brain blow a fuse, shorting out the neural pathways for communication in coherent English
//what say you, rest of Fark?
///meh, either way, it's still fun :D
 
2009-03-25 04:17:28 AM  
how many civilizations belive they were built from nothing, that they were built from nothing? the mayans, you believe in them?
 
2009-03-25 04:18:21 AM  

Begoggle: Ctrl+F
bevets
Next
Next
Next
Next
*exit thread*


why are people still so crazy for the Bevets? He never sticks around anymore and he always posts the same crap with, of course, a link to his site.
 
2009-03-25 04:19:19 AM  

You can has my username: hostJP: No, it's definitely "Spears's". The "s'" form is only for possessive plurals. See here for more info.


Ok, ok, I farked up.

It should read Britney Spears' Speculum

Let this be a lesson to you: Don't drink and create logins.
 
2009-03-25 04:19:25 AM  

You can has my username: hostJP: No, it's definitely "Spears's". The "s'" form is only for possessive plurals. See here for more info.


no, it's Spear's, just look at his name- Britney Spear's Speculum
 
2009-03-25 04:19:26 AM  

mamoru: What_Would_Jimi_Do: named by human, so by your field of study so would christianism. no different? of muslim or hindu or islam? those are fields of study?

Hmmm... It is at this point in our conversation that I must ask, is English your first language?

In response to your question, yes, they are different. Those by themselves are not fields of study. However, theology is a field of study which may include analysis of all of those belief systems.

/not sure if I'm being trolled of if I've made someone's brain blow a fuse, shorting out the neural pathways for communication in coherent English
//what say you, rest of Fark?
///meh, either way, it's still fun :D


either way you are the embecile.
 
2009-03-25 04:20:16 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: how many civilizations belive they were built from nothing, that they were built from nothing? the mayans, you believe in them?


oh yeah, you ate mushrooms.
 
2009-03-25 04:20:51 AM  
What_Would_Jimi_Do: how many civilizations belive they were built from nothing, that they were built from nothing? the mayans, you believe in them?

In answer to your first question, none?

In answer to your second question, umm, yes, as there is empirical evidence that they existed.

How were your two questions (quoted here) related to the topic of this thread?
 
2009-03-25 04:21:42 AM  
What_Would_Jimi_Do: either way you are the embecile.

Ok, that's the clincher. I'm either being trolled, or...

brainiac-dumdum: oh yeah, you ate mushrooms.

This.

Ah, good times. :D
 
2009-03-25 04:23:30 AM  
What_Would_Jimi_Do: named by human

Physics doesn't need names, or words, it only needs math.
 
2009-03-25 04:24:54 AM  

WhyteRaven74: What_Would_Jimi_Do: named by human

Physics doesn't need names, or words, it only needs math.


yay math! That's the best part of math, it's a universal language.
 
2009-03-25 04:26:18 AM  

brainiac-dumdum: What_Would_Jimi_Do: how many civilizations belive they were built from nothing, that they were built from nothing? the mayans, you believe in them?

oh yeah, you ate mushrooms.


teddziuba.com
Oblig and agreed.
/But where does 'where' come from?
 
2009-03-25 04:26:26 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: how many christians listen to slayer, motorhead, megadeth, iron maiden, steppenwolf, hendrix, celtic frost, death angel, thin lizzy etc.


A lot actually. Why, what does taste in music have to do with religion?
 
2009-03-25 04:26:45 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: wildsnowllama: What_Would_Jimi_Do: Leviticus 18:22

And you remember Matthew 21-17

you are the biggest moran of all, that was a family guy quote, meant as a joke.


Google it...
 
2009-03-25 04:30:56 AM  

brainiac-dumdum: Begoggle: Ctrl+F
bevets
Next
Next
Next
Next
*exit thread*

why are people still so crazy for the Bevets? He never sticks around anymore and he always posts the same crap with, of course, a link to his site.


I am crazy for the Bevets of old.
I keep hoping the return of "Bevets classic".
 
2009-03-25 04:31:58 AM  
brainiac-dumdum: That's the best part of math,

indeed :) Now watch, I'm going to get asked about something to do with 1+1 = 2...

Markoff_Cheney: /But where does 'where' come from?

Just take a walk on a Mobius strip. Everywhere is here, there is there no there there.
 
2009-03-25 04:34:03 AM  
WhyteRaven74: indeed :) Now watch, I'm going to get asked about something to do with 1+1 = 2...

But, I thought 1+1 = 10

:(
 
2009-03-25 04:35:44 AM  

mamoru: WhyteRaven74: indeed :) Now watch, I'm going to get asked about something to do with 1+1 = 2...

But, I thought 1+1 = 10

:(


it does in binary
 
2009-03-25 04:41:00 AM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: it does in binary

shh!

Britney Spear's Speculum: mamoru: WhyteRaven74: indeed :) Now watch, I'm going to get asked about something to do with 1+1 = 2...

But, I thought 1+1 = 10

:(

it does in binary


Hehehe. Fine, 1+1 may equal 2 or 10, but 1+1+1 = 10, too. :D

/don't mind me... just bored.
 
2009-03-25 04:42:26 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: wildsnowllama: What_Would_Jimi_Do: Leviticus 18:22

And you remember Matthew 21-17

you are the biggest moran of all, that was a family guy quote, meant as a joke.


I didn't realize using a Simpsons quote to counter a family guy quote would be traumatizing for you...
 
2009-03-25 04:43:18 AM  
Lets take the statement "God has a plan"
Would believing in God change this plan?

If no, then why should I believe in God? (God planned on me going to hell in the 1st place right?)

If yes, then that would mean I have control over God. I can control God's actions. Then why is he called God in that case?
 
2009-03-25 04:46:25 AM  

Wii.Tard: Lets take the statement "God has a plan"
Would believing in God change this plan?

If no, then why should I believe in God? (God planned on me going to hell in the 1st place right?)

If yes, then that would mean I have control over God. I can control God's actions. Then why is he called God in that case?



'god has a plan' has to be the most willfully ignorant statement I've ever heard come out of someone's mouth.
 
2009-03-25 04:48:22 AM  
Damn I just got home, I didn't know there would be math...
Now everyone know in religion 1+1= Noah, why because the Pope says so.

Thanks for the correction username... I caught it before I left work, and ment to print a retraction.

I gueess I hit the fail trifecta.
 
2009-03-25 04:52:35 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Wii.Tard: Lets take the statement "God has a plan"
Would believing in God change this plan?

If no, then why should I believe in God? (God planned on me going to hell in the 1st place right?)

If yes, then that would mean I have control over God. I can control God's actions. Then why is he called God in that case?


'god has a plan' has to be the most willfully ignorant statement I've ever heard come out of someone's mouth.


Nice call vaginal instrument. If God had a plan for everything, then why was I granted free will. Please refrence my previous post for my religious views and please give to my new church!!!

Oh look a boobie... wife contributes to my church...
 
2009-03-25 04:56:48 AM  

hostJP: Nice call vaginal instrument. If God had a plan for everything, then why was I granted free will. Please refrence my previous post for my religious views and please give to my new church!!!

Oh look a boobie... wife contributes to my church...



Looks like your wife is only half committed or she suffered from breast cancer and had a mastectomy. Either way...I'm sorry?

Is the sabbath in your church reserved for football and beer? If it is, sign me up.
 
2009-03-25 04:56:58 AM  
Ever notice how society seems to expect people to be tolerant of everything *except* Christianity?
 
2009-03-25 04:59:16 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: hostJP: Nice call vaginal instrument. If God had a plan for everything, then why was I granted free will. Please refrence my previous post for my religious views and please give to my new church!!!

Oh look a boobie... wife contributes to my church...


Looks like your wife is only half committed or she suffered from breast cancer and had a mastectomy. Either way...I'm sorry?

Is the sabbath in your church reserved for football and beer? If it is, sign me up.


Nahh one is covered by the blanket, she's sleeping. And dear God yes it is. See above for other church goals
 
2009-03-25 05:01:37 AM  
www.flashasylum.com
Cyanide & Happiness @ Explosm.net
 
2009-03-25 05:06:20 AM  
www.heavingdeadcats.com
 
2009-03-25 05:26:49 AM  
Begoggle: I keep hoping the return of "Bevets classic".

img291.imageshack.us
 
2009-03-25 05:34:01 AM  
I'm afraid diet Bevets is all I can take at this point. Half the crazy with none of the calories.
 
2009-03-25 05:35:45 AM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: Half the crazy with none of the calories.

*snort* for some reason that hits me as hilarious
 
2009-03-25 05:36:26 AM  
If it wasn't illegal I would probably actively persecute Christians. At the least take away their right to vote or hold public office. I'm sure they feel the same way about me.
 
2009-03-25 05:47:19 AM  
They're just trying to save you from yourselves. People who reject God are all self-destructive animals that inhale jenkem while raping their pet turtles in front of their eight pre-pubescent wives that are also their daughters and/or gay abomination sons. You should get down on your knees and kiss their feet for suffering so much persecution to save your worthless, jenkem sniffing, polygamist, pedophile, bestiality-loving, ghey-spawning souls.

/I know all that is true because the man on the tee-vee told me.
//He also told me to put my money in the bowl for Jesus.
 
2009-03-25 05:49:58 AM  
I failed jenkem
 
2009-03-25 05:50:30 AM  
Why not just hold a moratorium on all these religions until scientists can figure out which one's the real one.

Then, anybody so inclined would just naturally go with that one.

Who in their right mind could argue with logic like this?
 
2009-03-25 06:04:44 AM  

biglot: Who in their right mind could argue with logic like this?


Most people.
 
2009-03-25 06:28:09 AM  

Holden C: Oh hey, another Atheist vs. Christian thread.

I'm sure this discussion will offer up salient points and intelligent discourse missing in the previous 97 threads on the same topic.

Have at it people...


Yeah, that's pretty much it.
 
2009-03-25 06:43:30 AM  

almafuerte: I am sick of Tolerance. Tolerance is AGAINST humanity. The Fundamental (Strong, Weak, Electromagnetic, Gravity) Forces are not Tolerant, That's why the universe exists and evolves. Inorganic molecules are not tolerant, that's why life started. No life form has ever been tolerant, that's why we evolved. That's why we exist. INTOLERANCE. Each system doing it's best for itself. That brought us here. It's what we are. If Animals had been tolerant and weak, they wouldn't have eaten the lowest specimens, and there would be no life in this planet. It's hard to accept, for the modern human being, that being cruel is necessary. Even the most cruels man of today lie and justify their actions. There's no need to do that. Anything STRONG is GOOD. Anything that destroys weakness and elevates the human being is GOOD. Religion is Weakness of the mind. But Don't believe me. Let evolution decide. Stop being considerate to each other. That kills evolution. Let the Religious people try to destroy Atheism, and let the Atheists try to destroy Religion. Evolution will take care of choosing the best of each, and man will better at the end of the day.
Religions that preach tolerance, weakness, humility, poverty (Like Christianism) are PERVERSE religions. They foment the worst of the human being, and attack the instincts that made us what we are. They must be destroyed. Atheists that preach peace and tolerance and freedom of beliefs are weak too, and must be destroyed too.

It's time for the human being to embrace its true roots, and let evolution continue, take the evolution of the human race in its hands and lead it to the future. without mercy, without shame, without doubt. Any action that goes against the natural laws is SUICIDAL.


That's stupid.
 
2009-03-25 06:51:14 AM  
almafuerte: I am sick of Tolerance. Tolerance is AGAINST humanity. The Fundamental (Strong, Weak, Electromagnetic, Gravity) Forces are not Tolerant, That's why the universe exists and evolves. Inorganic molecules are not tolerant, that's why life started. No life form has ever been tolerant, that's why we evolved. That's why we exist. INTOLERANCE. Each system doing it's best for itself. That brought us here. It's what we are. If Animals had been tolerant and weak, they wouldn't have eaten the lowest specimens, and there would be no life in this planet. It's hard to accept, for the modern human being, that being cruel is necessary. Even the most cruels man of today lie and justify their actions. There's no need to do that. Anything STRONG is GOOD. Anything that destroys weakness and elevates the human being is GOOD. Religion is Weakness of the mind. But Don't believe me. Let evolution decide. Stop being considerate to each other. That kills evolution. Let the Religious people try to destroy Atheism, and let the Atheists try to destroy Religion. Evolution will take care of choosing the best of each, and man will better at the end of the day.
Religions that preach tolerance, weakness, humility, poverty (Like Christianism) are PERVERSE religions. They foment the worst of the human being, and attack the instincts that made us what we are. They must be destroyed. Atheists that preach peace and tolerance and freedom of beliefs are weak too, and must be destroyed too.

It's time for the human being to embrace its true roots, and let evolution continue, take the evolution of the human race in its hands and lead it to the future. without mercy, without shame, without doubt. Any action that goes against the natural laws is SUICIDAL.



You sound fat.
 
2009-03-25 06:52:05 AM  
From the article: "To describe yourself as pro-life or pro-family suggests that the rest of us are somehow anti-life and anti-family, a clearly absurd proposition."

Well, when you believe killing unborn babies is OK, I would say that makes you anti-life.
 
2009-03-25 06:52:23 AM  
Moonbarker Osbourne the Rainbow Wolf not gay: Ever notice how society seems to expect people to be tolerant of everything *except* Christianity?

Huh?

So the people who are in the vast majority, who exercise their power by persecuting others believe that they are persecuted?

That's interesting. Tell me more about how christians are persecuted. Please be specific. I'm sure that an example of, say, a politician losing an election because he was a christian would be a good example. Or, maybe, Christians being driven out of town because of their beliefs. Or maybe someone losing their job because the boss found out they were Christian.
 
2009-03-25 07:09:24 AM  

guyinjeep16: Summon Kerpal32...
When the universe is studied with all 11 dimensions in context, supernatural conclusions will be found and the ensuing god will cast all those dirty heathen atheists to the pit of hell.
Oh yea, and every athiests needs to be told that Athiesm does not equal science.


Well, in a sense anything that includes a god is explicitly not science, as science is quantitative by definition. There are certainly things that are atheist but not science, sure, but the fundamental point that there is no overlap is true enough.
 
2009-03-25 07:12:16 AM  

Overfiend: Well, when you believe killing unborn babies is OK, I would say that makes you anti-life.


So when a fetus dies 'naturally', does that make God anti-life?
 
2009-03-25 07:13:08 AM  

GWSuperfan: Obligatory:


That "Help we're being oppressed" graph really makes no sense. It implies that a statistical majority cannot be oppressed, which is simply not true. I'd wager fewer than 1/3 of farkers actually understand that concept. That being said, Christians are not being oppressed. They interpret people not wanting religion shoved into their lives as their own oppression. It's not. Get over yourselves.
 
2009-03-25 07:14:11 AM  

Overfiend: Well, when you believe killing unborn babies is OK, I would say that makes you anti-life.


If you believe that unborn babies are "life".
 
2009-03-25 07:19:24 AM  
unregulatedfemale.typepad.com
 
2009-03-25 07:23:27 AM  
Overfiend: Well, when you believe killing unborn babies is OK, I would say that makes you anti-life.

Ditto for those who like to see teenaged girls bleed to death in the street.
 
2009-03-25 07:24:25 AM  

maddogdelta: those who like to see teenaged girls bleed to death in the street.



What?
 
2009-03-25 07:27:00 AM  
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2009-03-25 07:27:15 AM  

Overfiend: Well, when you believe killing unborn babies is OK, I would say that makes you anti-life.


Whose life?
The life of a tiny blobby organism that could potentially grow into a human one day, but currently has no cognitive capacity and barely even resembles a humanoid, or the lives of the two living, breathing, thinking adults who don't want a baby? We just have different weights from you when we consider these things.

You have weights too. Do you allow abortion in the case of rape or incest? If so, then you definitely are able to weigh the emotional welfare of the mother as greater than the life of the infant, which is the same thing as we do, just with a greater scalar. And I guess that makes you anti-life too, huh?

If you don't allow it in that case, then you're a heartless person, and I'd recommend walking a mile in a rape victim's shoes before saying another word.
 
2009-03-25 07:36:20 AM  
God has a plan for us.

narwilliams.com

This thread has happened before. It shall happen again.
 
2009-03-25 07:47:45 AM  
Overfiend: Well, when you believe killing unborn babies is OK, I would say that makes you anti-life.

Awesome. We can have an atheism AND abortion flame war.

I'm assuming you're against the death penalty, war, are vegetarian and never even kill insects, because in all those cases there is death involved and death of an organism more highly advanced than a fetus.

And nobody is pro-death or pro-abortion. They are PRO-CHOICE. Meaning you have the right to CHOOSE whatever option you want.

bushbot111: maddogdelta: those who like to see teenaged girls bleed to death in the street.

What?


If y'all don't think abortions have been happening for thousands and thousands of years, you're retarded. Legalizing it simply ensures it happens safely so the mother doesn't die, too.

There are very very few women who have an abortion lightly and who do not agonize over the decision.
 
2009-03-25 08:11:05 AM  
www.nobeliefs.com

We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

Hitler hates athiesm and so should you.

Ein volk, eine Christ.
 
2009-03-25 08:13:07 AM  
Got in late, but...

i4.photobucket.com

Let this be a warning, heathens.

/meh
 
2009-03-25 08:17:43 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: Let this be a warning, heathens.


If lightening is the anger of the Gods, then the gods are mostly angry at trees. (supposedly) Lao Tze
 
2009-03-25 08:18:34 AM  

DemonEater: the lives of the two living, breathing, thinking adults who don't want a baby?


Were they thinking when they had sex? before then? If they were thinking adults they should have thought about the consequences before the fact; a child shouldn't have to pay the price for the "parents" stupidity. There are so many people out there who are willing to adopt, and yet we make them wait in line for month to years. (I don't mind the background checks, but I know of some who have been waiting for years.)

The only difference in the law between a legal abortion or manslaughter of a killed pre-born infant is whether or not the child was "wanted". That is schizophrenia of the law, and it needs to end one way or the other.

Even if there were no God, we are apparently unique in this part of the galaxy, and even if the galaxy were over-flowing with evolved life, we would still be unique, and every individual potential life should be protected and supported by someone, if not by the biological parents. Either human life is sacred or it isn't; the development stage is irrelevant.

I'd be pro life even if I were still an agnostic, because I believe that all intelligent life is worth protecting, and all lesser life is worth protecting up to the point where such protections would interfere with the continued protection of humans. I do not consider a fetus a lesser life form, just an undeveloped potential human. Anything less than that greys an area that opens up a Pandora's box of troubles that devalues human life by degrees, and history shows what happens to societies that devalue human life: they fall, and rightfully so.
 
2009-03-25 08:27:42 AM  

Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

Hitler hates athiesm and so should you.

Ein volk, eine Christ.


Ah yes, the Godwin for teh lose. Adolf Hitler was about as God-loving as Dawkins (NOT that I think Dawkins is like Hitler, just saying.)

Never mistake someone who cloaks themselves in the veil of "faith", "religion", or "truth and right" as actually being one of those things. History shows that such hypocrisy is the problem of the individual, not the position they claim to support.

Hitler was about as "Christ like" as Mohamed; he was being political, and his "elimination of the atheist" was a political move to stamp out the Communists, thus eliminating the competition and consolidating his power base, not in any way as a means to truly promote "Christ". The only God Adolf Hitler ever worshiped was himself.

Go back and look at all of the so-called religious wars of any kind from the start of recorded history: only 6% have ever actually had anything to directly do with religion; the rest were always about power, politics, or resource acquisition.
 
2009-03-25 08:29:16 AM  
I like how people try to argue that God is a Constant, i.e. eternal and unchanging, yet say "We don't follow the Old Testament cuz, man oh man, God was in a bad mood. We prefer the kinder gentler New Testament God."

Seriously, God is a bipolar douche.
 
2009-03-25 08:30:39 AM  

The Name: (I don't mean to rag on atheists. Christianity has plenty wrong with it, metaphysically and perhaps even a bit morally. I just find it odd that, for all their intellectual pretensions, most rabidly anti-Christian atheists don't know a damn thing about the theology they hate so much.)


Maybe it's the quality of the atheists around you. Around here, my fellow godless heathens and I tend to be way more educated on religions than the "believers" seem to be.

There's nothing funnier than pwning someone on their own religious territory.

/Upstate NY
 
2009-03-25 08:37:04 AM  

almafuerte: It's time for the human being to embrace its true roots, and let evolution continue, take the evolution of the human race in its hands and lead it to the future. without mercy, without shame, without doubt. Any action that goes against the natural laws is SUICIDAL.


i212.photobucket.com

Approves.
 
2009-03-25 08:37:27 AM  
From the makers of 0 tolerance.....liberals want to point out that christians aren't tolerant..... in general, because its A OK to generalize about a specific group of people. Especially black people. Because they're lazy and that's why they still live in tribes in africa. And then there is the mexicans, who are short. Then there are asians, who are good at math.

Thank you CNN, for reflecting on all the generalizations that liberals are allowed to make that others are not allowed to do.
 
2009-03-25 08:47:56 AM  
i52.photobucket.com

i52.photobucket.com

i52.photobucket.com

and for the coup de grâce

i52.photobucket.com

/this thread is full of crazy
 
2009-03-25 08:57:33 AM  

Moonbarker Osbourne the Rainbow Wolf not gay: Ever notice how society seems to expect people to be tolerant of everything *except* Christianity?


Nope, never noticed that.
 
2009-03-25 08:58:37 AM  

thespindrifter: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

Hitler hates athiesm and so should you.

Ein volk, eine Christ.

Ah yes, the Godwin for teh lose. Adolf Hitler was about as God-loving as Dawkins (NOT that I think Dawkins is like Hitler, just saying.)

Never mistake someone who cloaks themselves in the veil of "faith", "religion", or "truth and right" as actually being one of those things. History shows that such hypocrisy is the problem of the individual, not the position they claim to support.

Hitler was about as "Christ like" as Mohamed; he was being political, and his "elimination of the atheist" was a political move to stamp out the Communists, thus eliminating the competition and consolidating his power base, not in any way as a means to truly promote "Christ". The only God Adolf Hitler ever worshiped was himself.

Go back and look at all of the so-called religious wars of any kind from the start of recorded history: only 6% have ever actually had anything to directly do with religion; the rest were always about power, politics, or resource acquisition.


um...i hate to tell you this but religion itself is always about power, politics, or resource acquisition.

it's a business that sells a product which doesnt exist.

since their product is imaginary, they can sell it over and over for thousands of years at an incredible profit.
 
2009-03-25 09:04:14 AM  
maybe the most accurate headline ever written

//damn jesus people weird me out man.......
 
2009-03-25 09:04:20 AM  

ninjakirby: So long as it stays away from this...


Your bacon intolerance will not be tolerated, heathen.
 
2009-03-25 09:05:36 AM  

thespindrifter:
Hitler was about as "Christ like" as Mohamed; he was being political, and his "elimination of the atheist" was a political move to stamp out the Communists, thus eliminating the competition and consolidating his power base, not in any way as a means to truly promote "Christ". The only God Adolf Hitler ever worshiped was himself.



That's a fancy bit of speculation there. Care to back it up with any information?
 
2009-03-25 09:06:11 AM  

Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: since their product is imaginary, they can sell it over and over for thousands of years at an incredible profit.


I fail to see the profit in being burned at the stake for publishing a Bible in English, the profit in being a selfless Buddhist monk, or a life-respecting Hindu who sacrifices convenience for belief.
 
2009-03-25 09:12:28 AM  
The dead horse.

/beat it
//beat it harder.
 
2009-03-25 09:13:36 AM  
I can't prove this, but I tend to believe that the only Christians who are truly persecuted are the ones who don't look "religious". Furthermore, I believe that these people are not persecuted by the Atheists, gays, prostitutes, drunks, cheats, and other "sinners" but, for the most part, by the prominent "Christians" who feel the need to show just how religious they are. Also, the true Christians won't complain about being persecuted because they were fully aware of that inevitability when they signed up.

Like I said, I can't prove it, but I thought I'd mention it just in case anyone else wants to keep their eyes open for such a scenario.
 
2009-03-25 09:14:51 AM  
Meh. Just another person who can't bear to face criticism despite loving to dish it out. Typical hypocrisy.
 
2009-03-25 09:17:25 AM  
bushbot111: maddogdelta: those who like to see teenaged girls bleed to death in the street.

What?


All the pro life people who have no problem filling up this page (^)..

thespindrifter: I fail to see the profit in being burned at the stake for publishing a Bible in English

The issue was whether someone was going to cut in on the church's profits. This guy wanted his cut, and paid the price. In much the same way that gangsters kill one another.
 
2009-03-25 09:17:55 AM  
Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!
 
2009-03-25 09:20:40 AM  

ttintagel: That's a fancy bit of speculation there. Care to back it up with any information?


What, you mean like with the bulk of established history? I'm not going to do all the work for you. Hitler was all about the Fascist ideal, which stood staunchly opposed to Communism. Most of the Atheists of the day were Communists, as Communism is Atheistic at it's very heart. Hitler didn't care about religion, he cared about the politics and "Aryan Ideal" (however ironic that may be coming from a non-blond, half-Jewish, dabbler in homosexuality.)

Hitler wanted Germany to be the only world power, and his biggest concern after consolidating Europe was America, not because the U.S. of A. was a "Christian" nation, but because the nation had strong Anglo-German roots, and he felt that such a high density of "Aryan" people, combined with their manufacturing base and fertile heartland, were Germany's only real competition.

In order to defeat America, Hitler had to assimilate Europe for resources first. In order to accomplish this, he needed a scapegoat to go after, so he used an existing power base (the "Church") as a convenient starting point to manipulate and control the masses that he hadn't already swayed into his cult of personality. Focusing the general frustrations of a smashed country onto the non-Aryans (Jews, Black African descendants, homosexuals, gypsies, et cetera) was a brilliant move, and the real Christians who stood against him had to escape fast or hide, and most were the first ones to go to the camps or be shot in the streets for being "traitors".

Christ called for Peace and Love, to the Jew first and to the Gentile also; Hitler called for hate and murder. It isn't too hard to figure out that power politics, not Christianity, was the real motivating factor here, and usually is. It isn't "No real Scotsman", it's a fact. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... but if it moos? Hmmm, might be a different critter.
 
2009-03-25 09:22:28 AM  

Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

Hitler hates athiesm and so should you.

Ein volk, eine Christ


That's right because Hitler NEVER lied about anything.
 
2009-03-25 09:22:42 AM  

maddogdelta: bushbot111: maddogdelta: those who like to see teenaged girls bleed to death in the street.

What?

All the pro life people who have no problem filling up this page (^)..


Why do people still cling to that terrible argument? If you grant that abortion is murder, you're not going to be very sympathetic to somebody who gets themselves killed while trying to murder someone.

Yes yes, of course you don't think that abortion is any kind of immoral, but your opponents do, so why bother making the argument?
 
2009-03-25 09:24:41 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: Wheeeee!!!....WHAARGARBL

Um...I think you'll find that most of the atheists in these threads know more about the bible than you do.

But thanks for playing!
 
2009-03-25 09:25:17 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!


Hopefully this will cure your butt hurt.

avatar.movetoiceland.com
 
2009-03-25 09:28:03 AM  
serial_crusher: Why do people still cling to that terrible argument? If you grant that abortion is murder, you're not going to be very sympathetic to somebody who gets themselves killed while trying to murder someone.

Yes yes, of course you don't think that abortion is any kind of immoral, but your opponents do, so why bother making the argument?


The anti-abortion arguments all center around "but we think life is sacred"... but when push comes to shove... they really don't.

And it isn't a tired old argument. When abortion is illegal, women get abortions illegally. And when they do, they die, horribly.

You choose for a non sentient blob of cells. I choose for living, breathing women.

Unless you're one of those who think that the only moral abortion is my abortion.. (^)
 
2009-03-25 09:29:50 AM  
thespindrifter: Christ called for Peace and Love, to the Jew first and to the Gentile also; Hitler called for hate and murder. It isn't too hard to figure out that power politics, not Christianity, was the real motivating factor here, and usually is. It isn't "No real Scotsman", it's a fact. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... but if it moos? Hmmm, might be a different critter.

If that's the case, then most Christians aren't really Christians.

\The biggest genocide in history was caused by a guy who thought he was Jesus' brother
\\Citation (^)
 
2009-03-25 09:30:01 AM  

maddogdelta: Deuce McStinkle: Wheeeee!!!....WHAARGARBL

Um...I think you'll find that most of the atheists in these threads know more about the bible than you do.

But thanks for playing!


Please . . . I doubt it. Prove your point, bub, or stop whining.
 
2009-03-25 09:30:03 AM  

Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!


go read isaiah 45:7, provided you read the KJB version and not the NASB or the NKJV, and we'll talk then.

/your god is evil.
//it's in your bible.
///really.
 
2009-03-25 09:30:52 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: Please . . . I doubt it. Prove your point, bub, or stop whining.

Ezekial 23:20
 
2009-03-25 09:30:54 AM  

thespindrifter: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: since their product is imaginary, they can sell it over and over for thousands of years at an incredible profit.

I fail to see the profit in being burned at the stake for publishing a Bible in English, the profit in being a selfless Buddhist monk, or a life-respecting Hindu who sacrifices convenience for belief.


i really wouldnt call a tiny minority the norm.


blog.kir.com

praise the lawd.
 
2009-03-25 09:31:37 AM  

Deuce McStinkle: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

Hitler hates athiesm and so should you.

Ein volk, eine Christ

That's right because Hitler NEVER lied about anything.


atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.
 
2009-03-25 09:32:23 AM  
What would Jimi do: "this shiat isn't random. any one that thinks that this entire thing we call existence is random? along with all this other shiat beyond anything we can comprehend is random? in less a 1000 years we have named all the elements, came up with laws of motion, and made weapons that can remove us. it may not be the christian god or the muslim god or the buddhist god etc etc etc, something is in control. if you believe this is all random, wow."

'Something from Nothing a Quantum Possibility'

'It's Confirmed, Matter is Merely Vacuum Fluctuations'

Understand also that abiogenesis was not random. Organic molecules form naturally for inorganic ones as the component proteins/amino acids are already inclined to bond when close enough. Likewise the only element of natural selection that's random is genetic mutation, the actual process itself is non-random selective breeding, except instead of a breeder deciding which animals get to mate and pass on their genes, it's the animals who are best able to survive to breeding age and then care for their offspring. It's animal husbandry, the same kind that gave us the variety of domestic dogs, all of our livestock and various cultivated crops, except it happens by itself.

The message to take away here is that you can't bring yourself to accept these propositions because you don't know about the specifics, the supporting evidence. There's a great deal in science that would sound ridiculous and impossible to someone who didn't have the knowledge necessary to understand it. I understand it may seem insulting to you but I don't mean it that way, you're hardly alone, this stuff isn't exactly common knowledge and most Americans have a very slim understanding of science, hence the high incidence of creationists and whatnot. What you need, what they all need, is a more comprehensive education. We need schools with enough funding and sufficiently high hiring standards so that proper time and attention can be given to these subjects, so that students don't go out into the world unequipped to understand scientific principles that are becoming increasingly central to a greater cultural conflict. Without the necessary education they'll be inclined to believe whatever seems 'common sense' to them, or whatever seems most appealing, and the existing problem will only get worse.
 
2009-03-25 09:32:37 AM  

aggravatedmonkey: Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!

go read isaiah 45:7, provided you read the KJB version and not the NASB or the NKJV, and we'll talk then.

/your god is evil.
//it's in your bible.
///really.


Yeah--never mind that the KJ is not all that good of a translation. Never mind that you seem to have absolutely NO understanding of the historical context of Isaiah. Never mind that you're ignoring the overall literary content of not only the book you cite, but also the verse you cite. And never mind that the verse doesn't undercut *anything* about God's goodness. Never mind all that.

You're right. You're always right.
 
2009-03-25 09:33:59 AM  

Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: Deuce McStinkle: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

Hitler hates athiesm and so should you.

Ein volk, eine Christ

That's right because Hitler NEVER lied about anything.

atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.


i52.photobucket.com
 
2009-03-25 09:35:07 AM  
The Icelander: Deuce McStinkle: Please . . . I doubt it. Prove your point, bub, or stop whining.

Ezekiel 23:20


FTFM
 
2009-03-25 09:35:08 AM  

The Icelander: Ezekial 23:20


My Lord, you've yet to quote Deuteronomy 23. I'll wait.

See, you don't know the historical, cultural, or literary contexts of the verse you've pulled. In other words, you've done exactly what you probably claim Christians do: you've taken a verse out of context and attempted to make it fit your own personal interpretation.

/baggage, anyone?
//you've got it
 
2009-03-25 09:36:03 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: "Please . . . I doubt it. Prove your point, bub, or stop whining."

Atheists by and large were raised into some religion. I was a Christian myself for nearly 20 years. Most of us were Christians before we became atheists. It's because we thoroughly read and understood the Bible that we became atheists, or at least that's a large part of it.

May I ask you a few questions? You may find them interesting.

#1. Do you believe there was an actual garden of eden, an Adam and Eve, a talking snake, etc.?

#2. Do you think "Why is there something rather than nothing" is a legitimate question to ask?
 
2009-03-25 09:36:19 AM  
Intolerant Christians? Unheard of. It's a brotherhood of compassion and acceptance.

/disregard crusades
//disregard salem witch trials


That one did make me laugh. :-) Yes, there has been quite a bit (okay, a lot) of intolerance throughout the ages from Christians and many other religions. It is not so much a religious aspect as it just how humans are. We use the things we believe in (or pretend to believe in) to allow us the justification to remove/fight/convert groups of people we have issues with.

Religious Wars

Crusades 11-13th century
Albigensian Crusade
the Northern Crusades
Aragonese Crusade

French Wars of Religion 16th century
war between Catholics and Protestants (Hugenots primarily)

Thirty Years War 17th century
Garmany, Scandinavia, Poland, France -- Catholics and Protestants (Calvinists)

Israel and Arab Countries (most of recorded history)

Shinto - Showa era
Sino-Japanese War

Sikhism 15-1600's
Shikhs vs. Hindus
Shikhs vs. Muslims

Saxon Wars

Zoroastrianism -- Sassanid era

________________________________

Interestingly enough, neither Jesus nor Peter, Paul, etc are recorded as telling Christians to go into battle for religious reasons, to fight the government and so forth.

/two of my distant relatives are Cotton and Increase Mather
//about flipped when I found that out
 
2009-03-25 09:36:51 AM  

Deuce McStinkle: aggravatedmonkey: Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!

go read isaiah 45:7, provided you read the KJB version and not the NASB or the NKJV, and we'll talk then.

/your god is evil.
//it's in your bible.
///really.

Yeah--never mind that the KJ is not all that good of a translation. Never mind that you seem to have absolutely NO understanding of the historical context of Isaiah. Never mind that you're ignoring the overall literary content of not only the book you cite, but also the verse you cite. And never mind that the verse doesn't undercut *anything* about God's goodness. Never mind all that.

You're right. You're always right.


let me get this straight...first you say that KJB is "not all that good of a translation" and then you say "Never mind that you're ignoring the overall literary content of not only the book you cite, but also the verse you cite."

so which is it skippy?

garbage? or "literary" masterpiece?

and which "translation" do YOU approve of?

you sound fat.
 
2009-03-25 09:36:56 AM  

Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.


Oooohhh... you hurt me there.

Really? That's the best you can do?

Sad, really.

The whole Hitler was a Christian argument has been debunked by not only religious scholars, but secular scholars as well.

A library is a big building with books: check it out sometime.
 
2009-03-25 09:37:17 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: And never mind that the verse doesn't undercut *anything* about God's goodness.

Remind me to tell my kid never to make fun of a bald man, lest god sets bears on her. In his infinite goodness.
 
2009-03-25 09:38:38 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: "The whole Hitler was a Christian argument has been debunked by not only religious scholars, but secular scholars as well."

You know, Hitler himself never killed a single Jew. What religion do you suppose the brownshirts were? The einsatzgruppen? The concentration camp guards?
 
2009-03-25 09:39:18 AM  

aggravatedmonkey: Deuce McStinkle: aggravatedmonkey: Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!

go read isaiah 45:7, provided you read the KJB version and not the NASB or the NKJV, and we'll talk then.

/your god is evil.
//it's in your bible.
///really.

Yeah--never mind that the KJ is not all that good of a translation. Never mind that you seem to have absolutely NO understanding of the historical context of Isaiah. Never mind that you're ignoring the overall literary content of not only the book you cite, but also the verse you cite. And never mind that the verse doesn't undercut *anything* about God's goodness. Never mind all that.

You're right. You're always right.

let me get this straight...first you say that KJB is "not all that good of a translation" and then you say "Never mind that you're ignoring the overall literary content of not only the book you cite, but also the verse you cite."

so which is it skippy?

garbage? or "literary" masterpiece?

and which "translation" do YOU approve of?

you sound fat.


"Skippy?" "Fat?"

That's the best you have?

My God. And your logic is flawed: I never said that KJV was a "literary masterpiece," nor did I say that it as "garbage."

Wow. You sound ignorant.
 
2009-03-25 09:40:26 AM  

maddogdelta: serial_crusher: Why do people still cling to that terrible argument? If you grant that abortion is murder, you're not going to be very sympathetic to somebody who gets themselves killed while trying to murder someone.

Yes yes, of course you don't think that abortion is any kind of immoral, but your opponents do, so why bother making the argument?

The anti-abortion arguments all center around "but we think life is sacred"... but when push comes to shove... they really don't.

And it isn't a tired old argument. When abortion is illegal, women get abortions illegally. And when they do, they die, horribly.

You choose for a non sentient blob of cells. I choose for living, breathing women.

Unless you're one of those who think that the only moral abortion is my abortion.. (^)


hold on here, now i don't really care about abortion, but this seems like a bad argument. if you accept the idea that a fetus is somehow a life and therefor at least on equal terms with that of the mother, then when you stop most of them and the only ones who are still being done are people in back alleyways finding new and exciting uses for coat hangers, then that's not a bad thing, its good old fashioned darwinism at its best. think about it. here we have a person so gosh darned LAZY they cant be bothered to wait out 9 months, so short cited a highly dangerous, and illegal procedure is preferable to telling daddy, so stupid AND lazy they cant be bothered to use birth control, who has already proven themselves both fertile and willing to concede. in that situation, worst case scenario, the baby dies and therefor the genes off this dumbass are not carried on, and best case scenario, it rips her apart from the inside, thus thinning the herd. humanity benifits
 
2009-03-25 09:42:12 AM  

The Icelander: Deuce McStinkle: And never mind that the verse doesn't undercut *anything* about God's goodness.

Remind me to tell my kid never to make fun of a bald man, lest god sets bears on her. In his infinite goodness.


So, the whole Elijah thing, eh?

And, yet again, another internet genius taking a narrative out of context. Typical.
 
2009-03-25 09:42:29 AM  

aggravatedmonkey: go read isaiah 45:7, provided you read the KJB version and not the NASB or the NKJV, and we'll talk then.


When your arguments depend on a single translation, to the exclusion of other translations and also to the exclusion of the text being translated, this should perhaps be taken as evidence of a problem with the translation you're using.
 
2009-03-25 09:44:10 AM  

Millennium: aggravatedmonkey: go read isaiah 45:7, provided you read the KJB version and not the NASB or the NKJV, and we'll talk then.

When your arguments depend on a single translation, to the exclusion of other translations and also to the exclusion of the text being translated, this should perhaps be taken as evidence of a problem with the translation you're using.


Don't confuse him with the facts.
 
2009-03-25 09:44:34 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: "Wow. You sound ignorant."

...Said the Christian to the atheist.

Said the fellow who worships a genocider god, who believes in the tree of knowledge and the talking snake, who believes consciousness is best explained by a ghost living in our heads rather than accepting the findings of cognitive neurobiology, who believes that an ancient desert God created the universe rather than accepting the findings of particle physics, re: particle pairs/quantum potential.

Yeah, the sane guy over there who accepts science and doesn't believe in the talking snake, that guy is the ignorant one. Have I got that right?
 
2009-03-25 09:44:43 AM  
Oh, and to add to my previous post, if the Atheists ever go to war, it will probably be between humans and otters.
 
2009-03-25 09:46:41 AM  
Millenium: "When your arguments depend on a single translation, to the exclusion of other translations and also to the exclusion of the text being translated, this should perhaps be taken as evidence of a problem with the translation you're using."

Careful now. Arguments to the effect that the Bible doesn't actually condemn gays and that it describes six 'periods' of time rather than literal days relies on that exact sort of selective translation. Is it okay when it excuses scripture, but not when it reflects poorly on it?
 
2009-03-25 09:47:17 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: See, you don't know the historical, cultural, or literary contexts of the verse you've pulled. In other words, you've done exactly what you probably claim Christians do: you've taken a verse out of context and attempted to make it fit your own personal interpretation.

That's because the Bible holds no significance for me beyond its literary influence.

You've got a serious case of the butt hurt, and are so closed-minded that you can't admit that quite a few Christians are assholes. I'll gladly admit that there are atheists who are assholes. But considering that we're, at most, 5% of the population, and Christians are something like 80% of the population, so even if one in ten is a jerk, they outnumber atheists.

And are you insisting that all the "angry atheists" are making up their experiences that lead them to have a negative association with Christianity? Oh, wait, those people aren't "real Christians," right? If that's the case you guys might want to sue for defamation of character. Atheists aren't your problem - it's the people who use your religion to look bad. What you're doing is the equivalent of blaming the smoke detector for waking you up when there's a fire.

Now, you might say I'm painting with a broad brush, but when you have tens of thousands of Christian teenagers showing up for "culture warrior" rallies, it's hard to believe they're a minority.

Not to mention that your assertion that atheists are ignorant of the Bible is almost universally untrue. Every atheist I know, including most of the people in this thread know the Bible quite a bit better than the vast majority if Christians.

So go buy some butt paste and apply it liberally, and hopefully your butt hurt will heal up enough to the point where you can see that, through all the vitriol, we atheists might have a farking point.
 
2009-03-25 09:48:40 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Gil



Say what now?

i224.photobucket.com

/That made my morning, PC LOAD LETTER.
 
2009-03-25 09:49:11 AM  

thespindrifter: Either human life is sacred or it isn't


I vote "no".
 
2009-03-25 09:53:10 AM  

The Name: EL_FABREZ: What_Would_Jimi_Do: Leviticus 18:22!


Leviticus is some crazy shiat. Eat shellfish? Stoning. Cut your hair? Stoning. Wife cheats on you? Stoning. Flat nose? No heaven for you. Crippled? Ditto. Wear two different types of fabric? BZZZT!

You have to laugh at anybody who says they take the bible literally.


It's precisely because of books like Leviticus that I laugh at people who try to pwn Christians by quoting the Old Testament. Since it's fairly early in this thread still, I'll give the atheists to come a little tip:

Christians are well aware of the "intolerance" (as we moderns would call it) and heavy-handedness of the Old Testament. This barbarity contrasted with the pacifism of Jesus Christ is precisely one of the differences distinguishing the Old Testament from the New Testament. I'd go into the theology and apologetics a bit, but I've smoked too much wacky tobacky.

(I don't mean to rag on atheists. Christianity has plenty wrong with it, metaphysically and perhaps even a bit morally. I just find it odd that, for all their intellectual pretensions, most rabidly anti-Christian atheists don't know a damn thing about the theology they hate so much.)


I took the post more as reminding christians of that fact. Many, many neo-evangelicals like to quote Leviticus whenever it suits their condemnation, then disavow it when it makes them look crazy.
 
2009-03-25 09:54:15 AM  

theinsultabot9000: maddogdelta: serial_crusher: Why do people still cling to that terrible argument? If you grant that abortion is murder, you're not going to be very sympathetic to somebody who gets themselves killed while trying to murder someone.

Yes yes, of course you don't think that abortion is any kind of immoral, but your opponents do, so why bother making the argument?

The anti-abortion arguments all center around "but we think life is sacred"... but when push comes to shove... they really don't.

And it isn't a tired old argument. When abortion is illegal, women get abortions illegally. And when they do, they die, horribly.

You choose for a non sentient blob of cells. I choose for living, breathing women.

Unless you're one of those who think that the only moral abortion is my abortion.. (^)

hold on here, now i don't really care about abortion, but this seems like a bad argument. if you accept the idea that a fetus is somehow a life and therefor at least on equal terms with that of the mother, then when you stop most of them and the only ones who are still being done are people in back alleyways finding new and exciting uses for coat hangers, then that's not a bad thing, its good old fashioned darwinism at its best. think about it. here we have a person so gosh darned LAZY they cant be bothered to wait out 9 months, so short cited a highly dangerous, and illegal procedure is preferable to telling daddy, so stupid AND lazy they cant be bothered to use birth control, who has already proven themselves both fertile and willing to concede. in that situation, worst case scenario, the baby dies and therefor the genes off this dumbass are not carried on, and best case scenario, it rips her apart from the inside, thus thinning the herd. humanity benifits


I know you were being sarcastic, but that about sums it up. What if I made the same argument in favor of legalizing trespassing...

Do you have any idea how many people hurt themselves during illegal trespassing each year?

It's not your house. It's just some carpet with walls and floors around it.
 
2009-03-25 09:54:15 AM  

Deuce McStinkle: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.

Oooohhh... you hurt me there.

Really? That's the best you can do?

Sad, really.

The whole Hitler was a Christian argument has been debunked by not only religious scholars, but secular scholars as well.

A library is a big building with books: check it out sometime.


so you're saying that athiests, muslims, buddhists, jews, but not christians were sent to the gas chambers for some other reason yet to be discovered?

i dont know about the hole where you come from, but here in germany, the fact that hitler was a christian and in bed with the church is basic grade school knowledge.
 
2009-03-25 09:55:53 AM  

thespindrifter: ttintagel: That's a fancy bit of speculation there. Care to back it up with any information?

What, you mean like with the bulk of established history? I'm not going to do all the work for you.


Yes, the bulk of established history, like Hitler's life, speeches, and writings. You don't need to do the work for me, because it's all right there for anyone to see. You can try to spin it and get inside Hitler's head to guess whether or not he was sincere in his beliefs, but it is just that: a guess.

Christ called for Peace and Love, to the Jew first and to the Gentile also;

Among other things. And he also said that he had not come to negate the Old Testament with its bloody cries for vengeance and smiting. Read your Matthew.


Hitler called for hate and murder.


For his enemies, aand the enemies of his ideals. Much like a lot of the Bible.

It isn't "No real Scotsman", it's a fact.

It's both.
 
2009-03-25 09:58:01 AM  

Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.


Don;t kid yourself. Most Americans are brought up with some kind of Christian training. And most atheists I know know the Scriptures better than most Christians. They just see the inherent contradictions instead of cherrypicking or rationalizing them.
 
2009-03-25 10:00:33 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: So, the whole Elijah thing, eh?

And, yet again, another internet genius taking a narrative out of context. Typical.


There is no excuse, none, for sicking bears on unruly kids. Even if god's a fictional character, he's a douche for doing that.
 
2009-03-25 10:04:04 AM  

The Icelander: Deuce McStinkle: So, the whole Elijah thing, eh?

And, yet again, another internet genius taking a narrative out of context. Typical.

There is no excuse, none, for sicking bears on unruly kids. Even if god's a fictional character, he's a douche for doing that.


www.americanbear.org
why do you hate bears?
 
2009-03-25 10:08:02 AM  

serial_crusher: theinsultabot9000: maddogdelta: serial_crusher: Why do people still cling to that terrible argument? If you grant that abortion is murder, you're not going to be very sympathetic to somebody who gets themselves killed while trying to murder someone.

Yes yes, of course you don't think that abortion is any kind of immoral, but your opponents do, so why bother making the argument?

The anti-abortion arguments all center around "but we think life is sacred"... but when push comes to shove... they really don't.

And it isn't a tired old argument. When abortion is illegal, women get abortions illegally. And when they do, they die, horribly.

You choose for a non sentient blob of cells. I choose for living, breathing women.

Unless you're one of those who think that the only moral abortion is my abortion.. (^)

hold on here, now i don't really care about abortion, but this seems like a bad argument. if you accept the idea that a fetus is somehow a life and therefor at least on equal terms with that of the mother, then when you stop most of them and the only ones who are still being done are people in back alleyways finding new and exciting uses for coat hangers, then that's not a bad thing, its good old fashioned darwinism at its best. think about it. here we have a person so gosh darned LAZY they cant be bothered to wait out 9 months, so short cited a highly dangerous, and illegal procedure is preferable to telling daddy, so stupid AND lazy they cant be bothered to use birth control, who has already proven themselves both fertile and willing to concede. in that situation, worst case scenario, the baby dies and therefor the genes off this dumbass are not carried on, and best case scenario, it rips her apart from the inside, thus thinning the herd. humanity benifits

I know you were being sarcastic, but that about sums it up. What if I made the same argument in favor of legalizing trespassing...

Do you have any idea how many people hurt themselves during illegal trespassing each year?

It's not your house. It's just some carpet with walls and floors around it.


it wasnt sarcasm. or even trolling. i am sorry, but it isnt. whatever your reasoning, belief, or stance on abortion, i really dont care. maybe you are for it. maybe you are because it makes it far less worrisome for a guy or a girl out for a good time to not have a problem. fine. i can see the merits of that, o.k., sound reasoning.

maybe you are for it because you think its just America. she should have her freedom of choice. ok, i can see that, land of the free, sound reasoning. you have a point. but if your argument is i or anyone else should give two shiats about a group of woman whose soul common link is that they were to incompetent to avoid pregnancy and to stupid to decide that of all her options, gutting herself with a coat hanger, thus eliminating not one but two genetic failures. i just don't see the point. in my opinion that is actually a valid point on the side of pro-lifers, that there stance indirectly benefits the genetic health of humanity
 
2009-03-25 10:10:34 AM  
thespindrifter: C"hrist called for Peace and Love, to the Jew first and to the Gentile also;....Hitler called for hate and murder."

Say, where did all the Canaanites go? Could've sworn they were here a second ago. At least we know God didn't order their genocide, because you'd never knowingly worship a genocider God. Right?
 
2009-03-25 10:13:34 AM  

Zamboro: Deuce McStinkle: "Wow. You sound ignorant."

...Said the Christian to the atheist.

Said the fellow who worships a genocider god, who believes in the tree of knowledge and the talking snake, who believes consciousness is best explained by a ghost living in our heads rather than accepting the findings of cognitive neurobiology, who believes that an ancient desert God created the universe rather than accepting the findings of particle physics, re: particle pairs/quantum potential.

Yeah, the sane guy over there who accepts science and doesn't believe in the talking snake, that guy is the ignorant one. Have I got that right?


Are you done stereotyping yet?
 
2009-03-25 10:14:34 AM  

Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: Deuce McStinkle: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.

Oooohhh... you hurt me there.

Really? That's the best you can do?

Sad, really.

The whole Hitler was a Christian argument has been debunked by not only religious scholars, but secular scholars as well.

A library is a big building with books: check it out sometime.

so you're saying that athiests, muslims, buddhists, jews, but not christians were sent to the gas chambers for some other reason yet to be discovered?

i dont know about the hole where you come from, but here in germany, the fact that hitler was a christian and in bed with the church is basic grade school knowledge.


So, you guys don't have libraries, then?
 
2009-03-25 10:15:35 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: "Are you done stereotyping yet?"

Ah, but which of those things don't you believe?
 
2009-03-25 10:15:38 AM  

Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!


Well, smartass, put a leash on your more high-profile spokespeople like Phelps, etc., and the sterotype won't propogate, will it? Till you do that, if it quacks like a duck...it's a damn duck, mmmkay?
 
2009-03-25 10:17:49 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: Please . . . I doubt it. Prove your point, bub, or stop whining.

I'm not whining at all. I'm merely just addressing a fallacy in which you claimed that atheists don't read the bible. I'm pointing out that you are incorrect.

eharac: Interestingly enough, neither Jesus nor Peter, Paul, etc are recorded as telling Christians to go into battle for religious reasons


Matthew 10:34 (King James Version)

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
 
2009-03-25 10:18:48 AM  

Zamboro: Deuce McStinkle: "Are you done stereotyping yet?"

Ah, but which of those things don't you believe?


Are you done stereotyping yet?

I'm waiting . . .
 
2009-03-25 10:20:08 AM  

Deuce McStinkle: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: Deuce McStinkle: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.

Oooohhh... you hurt me there.

Really? That's the best you can do?

Sad, really.

The whole Hitler was a Christian argument has been debunked by not only religious scholars, but secular scholars as well.

A library is a big building with books: check it out sometime.

so you're saying that athiests, muslims, buddhists, jews, but not christians were sent to the gas chambers for some other reason yet to be discovered?

i dont know about the hole where you come from, but here in germany, the fact that hitler was a christian and in bed with the church is basic grade school knowledge.

So, you guys don't have libraries, then?


noone knows germany quite as well as some hick from bumf|_|ck georgia.
 
2009-03-25 10:20:37 AM  

Deuce McStinkle: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.

Oooohhh... you hurt me there.

Really? That's the best you can do?

Sad, really.

The whole Hitler was a Christian argument has been debunked by not only religious scholars, but secular scholars as well.

A library is a big building with books: check it out sometime.


It really doesn't matter what Adolph believed. It's that he, like so many others, used religion to accumulate power. Wrapping yourself in the bible to sucker the believers is a very old practice.
Just look at every TV evangelist, or mega-church preacher. Tons of influence and money to match, all from duping the gullible.
 
2009-03-25 10:20:49 AM  

maddogdelta: Deuce McStinkle: Please . . . I doubt it. Prove your point, bub, or stop whining.

I'm not whining at all. I'm merely just addressing a fallacy in which you claimed that atheists don't read the bible. I'm pointing out that you are incorrect.

eharac: Interestingly enough, neither Jesus nor Peter, Paul, etc are recorded as telling Christians to go into battle for religious reasons


Matthew 10:34 (King James Version)

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


Once again, you display absolutely NO knowledge of how to read. Christ is talking figuratively here. Read the entire Gospel, mon frere, before you shoot off your mouth.

And don't give me that, "Well, you pick and choose when Christ is speaking metaphorically or literally" garbage. If you read carefully, the difference is patently obvious.

Grow up. Argue with integrity. Or go home.
 
2009-03-25 10:21:30 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: Zamboro: Deuce McStinkle: "Are you done stereotyping yet?"

Ah, but which of those things don't you believe?

Are you done stereotyping yet?

I'm waiting . . .


Ahhh..The old "I know you are but what am I?" argument.

Might as well give up guys. This is one tough nut to crack.
 
2009-03-25 10:22:24 AM  

theinsultabot9000: maybe you are for it because you think its just America. she should have her freedom of choice. ok, i can see that, land of the free, sound reasoning. you have a point. but if your argument is i or anyone else should give two shiats about a group of woman whose soul common link is that they were to incompetent to avoid pregnancy and to stupid to decide that of all her options, gutting herself with a coat hanger, thus eliminating not one but two genetic failures. i just don't see the point. in my opinion that is actually a valid point on the side of pro-lifers, that there stance indirectly benefits the genetic health of humanity


What valid point?
 
2009-03-25 10:22:26 AM  

give me doughnuts: Deuce McStinkle: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.

Oooohhh... you hurt me there.

Really? That's the best you can do?

Sad, really.

The whole Hitler was a Christian argument has been debunked by not only religious scholars, but secular scholars as well.

A library is a big building with books: check it out sometime.

It really doesn't matter what Adolph believed. It's that he, like so many others, used religion to accumulate power. Wrapping yourself in the bible to sucker the believers is a very old practice.
Just look at every TV evangelist, or mega-church preacher. Tons of influence and money to match, all from duping the gullible.


Yes, because televangelists are absolutely representative of all Christian sects.
 
2009-03-25 10:24:19 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: Once again, you display absolutely NO knowledge of how to read. Christ is talking figuratively here. Read the entire Gospel, mon frere, before you shoot off your mouth.

I have. Several times.


And don't give me that, "Well, you pick and choose when Christ is speaking metaphorically or literally" garbage. If you read carefully, the difference is patently obvious.

If the difference is patently obvious, then why do people spend so much energy killing each other over it? Are people saved by faith or works? (Let's start with Martin Luther vs Catholicism, then we'll work our way into Calvinism, etc..)

Grow up. Argue with integrity. Or go home.

I have demonstrated my integrity more often than I will guess you have. But go ahead. Keep making claims with no facts to back them up. It's what you seem to be good at.
 
2009-03-25 10:25:27 AM  
maddogdelta: Ahhh..The old "I know you are but what am I?" argument.

Might as well give up guys. This is one tough nut to crack.


It's hard to argue with someone who insists nothing you say is relevant.
 
2009-03-25 10:26:49 AM  

Deuce McStinkle: give me doughnuts: Deuce McStinkle: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: atleast he never told anyone that he was the son of god.

Oooohhh... you hurt me there.

Really? That's the best you can do?

Sad, really.

The whole Hitler was a Christian argument has been debunked by not only religious scholars, but secular scholars as well.

A library is a big building with books: check it out sometime.

It really doesn't matter what Adolph believed. It's that he, like so many others, used religion to accumulate power. Wrapping yourself in the bible to sucker the believers is a very old practice.
Just look at every TV evangelist, or mega-church preacher. Tons of influence and money to match, all from duping the gullible.

Yes, because televangelists are absolutely representative of all Christian sects.


Just the successful ones. Look at how much property and political infuence the Catholic Church has. And how much more it used to have.
All gotten from people foolish enough to believe mythology and fairy-tales.
 
2009-03-25 10:27:39 AM  
Yet she increased her whorings, remembering the days of her youth, when she played the whore in the land of Egypt and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of stallions.

*fap*
 
2009-03-25 10:28:24 AM  

Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!


Haha. I was raised in a nunnery, went to Catholic school, church every week, CCD classes, then tent revivals, Youth Group. Guess what I never believed in? I spent a lot of time studying religions in addition to this, on the basis that I felt I should be knowledgeable to discuss things with Christians until I learned two things.

1) Most Christians won't discuss shiat.
2) I was wasting time learning about something that is completely pointless, and has no place in my life in an effort to placate some idiots who worship a book. I feel the same way about Twilight fans.
 
2009-03-25 10:28:41 AM  

Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: Yet she increased her whorings, remembering the days of her youth, when she played the whore in the land of Egypt and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of stallions.

*fap*


Wasn't Jenna Jameson in that one?
 
2009-03-25 10:32:34 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: "Are you done stereotyping yet?

I'm waiting . . ."


I invited you to tell me which of the things I said about you are untrue. If indeed I am stereotyping you, explain how.
 
2009-03-25 10:33:17 AM  

give me doughnuts: theinsultabot9000: maybe you are for it because you think its just America. she should have her freedom of choice. ok, i can see that, land of the free, sound reasoning. you have a point. but if your argument is i or anyone else should give two shiats about a group of woman whose soul common link is that they were to incompetent to avoid pregnancy and to stupid to decide that of all her options, gutting herself with a coat hanger, thus eliminating not one but two genetic failures. i just don't see the point. in my opinion that is actually a valid point on the side of pro-lifers, that there stance indirectly benefits the genetic health of humanity

What valid point?


a main talking point of pro-choice people is that many woman will still have abortions, it will just be far more dangerous, because instead of practiced and sterilized equipment it will be back alley med school rejects using coat hangers, when problems inevitably develop, the woman and the child to be both die.

currently, an abortion is relatively safe for the woman, so right now any woman having an abortion is by nature farking retarded, she is underoing a simple procedure. but if pro-lifers wanted to make the point that any woman who went to the back alleyway and got herself killed, we are talking about not only the removal of both the grossly incompetent and/or stupid, but one who has already proven herself fertile. thats darwinism, and a valid point on the side of any who wished to see abortion outlawed
 
2009-03-25 10:35:17 AM  

EL_FABREZ: TheWarmonger: ///BTW, get some new pictures, I'm tired of seeing the same ones every single time

There you go. A nice pic of white Jesus being all majestic and stuff.


He's the 4th horseman?
 
2009-03-25 10:37:25 AM  

theinsultabot9000: give me doughnuts: theinsultabot9000: maybe you are for it because you think its just America. she should have her freedom of choice. ok, i can see that, land of the free, sound reasoning. you have a point. but if your argument is i or anyone else should give two shiats about a group of woman whose soul common link is that they were to incompetent to avoid pregnancy and to stupid to decide that of all her options, gutting herself with a coat hanger, thus eliminating not one but two genetic failures. i just don't see the point. in my opinion that is actually a valid point on the side of pro-lifers, that there stance indirectly benefits the genetic health of humanity

What valid point?

a main talking point of pro-choice people is that many woman will still have abortions, it will just be far more dangerous, because instead of practiced and sterilized equipment it will be back alley med school rejects using coat hangers, when problems inevitably develop, the woman and the child to be both die.

currently, an abortion is relatively safe for the woman, so right now any woman having an abortion is by nature farking retarded, she is underoing a simple procedure. but if pro-lifers wanted to make the point that any woman who went to the back alleyway and got herself killed, we are talking about not only the removal of both the grossly incompetent and/or stupid, but one who has already proven herself fertile. thats darwinism, and a valid point on the side of any who wished to see abortion outlawed



i am sorry, currently, a woman getting an abortion is NOT by nature retarded. haven't had my coffee yet. missing that word there made that whole paragraph farking retarded, irony
 
2009-03-25 10:37:55 AM  

thespindrifter: DemonEater: the lives of the two living, breathing, thinking adults who don't want a baby?

Were they thinking when they had sex? before then? If they were thinking adults they should have thought about the consequences before the fact; a child shouldn't have to pay the price for the "parents" stupidity. There are so many people out there who are willing to adopt, and yet we make them wait in line for month to years. (I don't mind the background checks, but I know of some who have been waiting for years.)

The only difference in the law between a legal abortion or manslaughter of a killed pre-born infant is whether or not the child was "wanted". That is schizophrenia of the law, and it needs to end one way or the other.

Even if there were no God, we are apparently unique in this part of the galaxy, and even if the galaxy were over-flowing with evolved life, we would still be unique, and every individual potential life should be protected and supported by someone, if not by the biological parents. Either human life is sacred or it isn't; the development stage is irrelevant.

I'd be pro life even if I were still an agnostic, because I believe that all intelligent life is worth protecting, and all lesser life is worth protecting up to the point where such protections would interfere with the continued protection of humans. I do not consider a fetus a lesser life form, just an undeveloped potential human. Anything less than that greys an area that opens up a Pandora's box of troubles that devalues human life by degrees, and history shows what happens to societies that devalue human life: they fall, and rightfully so.



I applaud your love of life, but it is not nearly as unique or special as you seem to want to believe. Yes, an individual can be special and hold value, but that is subjective to those who see value in that person. There are 6,760,000,000 people on this planet. If you just take the top 1% of the humanity with an IQ above 135 it is 67,600,000 people - nearly the population of Texas, California and New York combined. On the other end of that spectrum, there are just as many people at the very bottom of that IQ chart, below 60.

In regards to abortion, here is another fun fact. Humans naturally miscarry upwards of 50% of all conceptions.

In 2008 alone there were roughly 136,000,000 births world wide. Tsis also means at most 136,000,000 "children" are aborted each year by natural causes.
 
2009-03-25 10:38:16 AM  
z.about.com
 
2009-03-25 10:40:01 AM  
theinsultabot9000:

a main talking point of pro-choice people is that many woman will still have abortions, it will just be far more dangerous, because instead of practiced and sterilized equipment it will be back alley med school rejects using coat hangers, when problems inevitably develop, the woman and the child to be both die.

currently, an abortion is relatively safe for the woman, so right now any woman having an abortion is by nature farking retarded, she is underoing a simple procedure. but if pro-lifers wanted to make the point that any woman who went to the back alleyway and got herself killed, we are talking about not only the removal of both the grossly incompetent and/or stupid, but one who has already proven herself fertile. thats darwinism, and a valid point on the side of any who wished to see abortion outlawed

??????

I read that four times. Came out of it with nothing.
 
2009-03-25 10:44:54 AM  

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?


Of course, you can always follow the deconstructionist view: If I deem this rock as having divinity, and divinity only truly matters to myself, then this rock is divine to the extent that I believe it to be. All of reality is perception, after all.
 
2009-03-25 10:45:22 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: theinsultabot9000:

a main talking point of pro-choice people is that many woman will still have abortions, it will just be far more dangerous, because instead of practiced and sterilized equipment it will be back alley med school rejects using coat hangers, when problems inevitably develop, the woman and the child to be both die.

currently, an abortion is relatively safe for the woman, so right now any woman having an abortion is by nature farking retarded, she is underoing a simple procedure. but if pro-lifers wanted to make the point that any woman who went to the back alleyway and got herself killed, we are talking about not only the removal of both the grossly incompetent and/or stupid, but one who has already proven herself fertile. thats darwinism, and a valid point on the side of any who wished to see abortion outlawed

??????

I read that four times. Came out of it with nothing.



i noticed a minor word cut there which essentially invalidated the whole idea there, which i mentioned immediately after. paraphrasing, the original point was "currently there is no problem with the woman getting an abortion, because it is a safe and simple procedure."

except i left out the word "no" completely altering the idea. try it now
 
2009-03-25 10:45:27 AM  

maddogdelta: Deuce McStinkle: Once again, you display absolutely NO knowledge of how to read. Christ is talking figuratively here. Read the entire Gospel, mon frere, before you shoot off your mouth.

I have. Several times.


And don't give me that, "Well, you pick and choose when Christ is speaking metaphorically or literally" garbage. If you read carefully, the difference is patently obvious.

If the difference is patently obvious, then why do people spend so much energy killing each other over it? Are people saved by faith or works? (Let's start with Martin Luther vs Catholicism, then we'll work our way into Calvinism, etc..)

Grow up. Argue with integrity. Or go home.

I have demonstrated my integrity more often than I will guess you have. But go ahead. Keep making claims with no facts to back them up. It's what you seem to be good at.


Sure, if you say so. You must be right. After all, you say you are.
 
2009-03-25 10:47:06 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: Sure, if you say so. You must be right. After all, you say you are.

Another statement without any facts to back them up.

Continue, please.
 
2009-03-25 10:47:41 AM  
Deuce McStinkle:

If you are a Christian, you necessarily believe in a genocider god. While Christians aren't beholden to the strictures of the Old Testament, it's still the same deity and it's still canonical. Yahweh explicitly commanded genocides against the Canaanites and several other peoples, going so far as to punish an Israelite leader who kept some of the livestock instead of killing them as well. (Although Moses was permitted to keep the young virginal girls in a few instances, if I recall correctly.)

You must necessarily believe in a garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, and so on. Original sin is inherited from Adam as a result of the Fall, when Adam and Eve were ejected from the garden for eating of the tree. Without the Fall, we did not inherit Adam's sin, and Christ died for nothing. Belief in the ejection from the garden is necessary for your theological worldview.

If you are a Christian, you must necessarily deny the findings of cognitive neurobiology, as they disprove the existence of the soul. In science, a claim is disproven when a theory comes along which is better supported by evidence and which has superior predictive power. This is why Germ theory is said to have disproven the competing explanation that evil spirits cause illness; it explains all of the observable facts, it's better supported by evidence, and it enabled us to predict the characteristics of microorganisms responsible for disease so that we might better combat them. Likewise, the materialist model of consciousness is supported by heaps of evidence and is the predictive basis of many treatments for localized brain damage and hereditary neurological disorders. In the scientific sense, the soul is disproven, although creationists are raising a stink over it as explained in one of the links above. You find yourself in the same camp as these creationists with regards to cognitive neurobiology because the existence of the soul is necessary for your theological worldview.

If you are a Christian, you also must necessarily deny evidence from particle physics research which indicates that the big bang was a natural, self-catalyzing event. You deny this because divine creation is necessary for your theological worldview.

Shall I go on?
 
2009-03-25 10:48:32 AM  

Braindeath: Deuce McStinkle: Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!

Haha. I was raised in a nunnery, went to Catholic school, church every week, CCD classes, then tent revivals, Youth Group. Guess what I never believed in? I spent a lot of time studying religions in addition to this, on the basis that I felt I should be knowledgeable to discuss things with Christians until I learned two things.

1) Most Christians won't discuss shiat.
2) I was wasting time learning about something that is completely pointless, and has no place in my life in an effort to placate some idiots who worship a book. I feel the same way about Twilight fans.


Define "most" Christians? Without resorting to broad-stripe stereotyping, I doubt that you can. Tell me, for instance, what an Armenian is. Define covenant theology. Tell me in what ways Wesley disagreed with Luther. I doubt that you can.

You're right: you don't take Christians seriously, so why should they take you seriously?

You are just another angry adolescent shooting his mouth off on the internet.
 
2009-03-25 10:49:26 AM  

maddogdelta: Deuce McStinkle: Sure, if you say so. You must be right. After all, you say you are.

Another statement without any facts to back them up.

Continue, please.


I could say the same thing. Keep it up; you're doing fine.
 
2009-03-25 10:50:26 AM  
Words to live by...
"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." (Stephen F. Roberts)
 
2009-03-25 10:51:28 AM  

Zamboro: Deuce McStinkle:

If you are a Christian, you necessarily believe in a genocider god. While Christians aren't beholden to the strictures of the Old Testament, it's still the same deity and it's still canonical. Yahweh explicitly commanded genocides against the Canaanites and several other peoples, going so far as to punish an Israelite leader who kept some of the livestock instead of killing them as well. (Although Moses was permitted to keep the young virginal girls in a few instances, if I recall correctly.)

You must necessarily believe in a garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, and so on. Original sin is inherited from Adam as a result of the Fall, when Adam and Eve were ejected from the garden for eating of the tree. Without the Fall, we did not inherit Adam's sin, and Christ died for nothing. Belief in the ejection from the garden is necessary for your theological worldview.

If you are a Christian, you must necessarily deny the findings of cognitive neurobiology, as they disprove the existence of the soul. In science, a claim is disproven when a theory comes along which is better supported by evidence and which has superior predictive power. This is why Germ theory is said to have disproven the competing explanation that evil spirits cause illness; it explains all of the observable facts, it's better supported by evidence, and it enabled us to predict the characteristics of microorganisms responsible for disease so that we might better combat them. Likewise, the materialist model of consciousness is supported by heaps of evidence and is the predictive basis of many treatments for localized brain damage and hereditary neurological disorders. In the scientific sense, the soul is disproven, although creationists are raising a stink over it as explained in one of the links above. You find yourself in the same camp as these creationists with regards to cognitive neurobiology because the existence of the soul is necessary for your theological worldview.

If you are a Christian, you also must necessarily deny evidence from particle physics research which indicates that the big bang was a natural, self-catalyzing event. You deny this because divine creation is necessary for your theological worldview.

Shall I go on?


Wow.

And you would probably say that Christians confuse science and religion.

I'm not interested in backing my claims with scientific fact. Religion and science are two different things. That's why public schools have no business teaching creationism in the classroom.

You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding: science is the search for verifiable fact; religion is the search for transcendent truth.
 
2009-03-25 10:53:42 AM  

cybrwzrd: In regards to abortion, here is another fun fact. Humans naturally miscarry upwards of 50% of all conceptions.

In 2008 alone there were roughly 136,000,000 births world wide. Tsis also means at most 136,000,000 "children" are aborted each year by natural causes.


Sometimes adults die too, so we should just make it legal to kill them if you want.

/ There's a difference between accidents and murder.
 
2009-03-25 10:53:47 AM  

The Name: It's precisely because of books like Leviticus that I laugh at people who try to pwn Christians by quoting the Old Testament.


Oh, I seem to have missed a memo... When exactly did Christians stop citing Leviticus to prop up the oppression of homosexuals?

You do realize that this is why non-Christians bring it up, right? Because "a la carte" Leviticus is still relevant to a disturbing number of Christians.

But I guess you'll say that they aren't "true" Christians, or some such nonsense.

Some Christians are well aware of the "intolerance" (as we moderns would call it) and heavy-handedness of the Old Testament.

FTFY. Others would like to throw out the Constitution and replace it with Mosaic law.
 
2009-03-25 10:56:04 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: I could say the same thing. Keep it up; you're doing fine.

Might I again point out that your first claim was that atheists don't read or have never read the bible? I pointed out that your statement was in error, as I have read the bible. I can also direct you to many atheists who have read the bible, and some who are even regarded as scholastic experts on the bible.

Where did I make the claim of inerrancy? Who am I, the Pope?
 
2009-03-25 10:56:38 AM  

quisph: Others would like to throw out the Constitution and replace it with Mosaic law.


My God. What a bad idea. Who in the world would want to do such a thing. Not me, and not any Christian I know.
 
2009-03-25 10:59:57 AM  

maddogdelta: Deuce McStinkle: I could say the same thing. Keep it up; you're doing fine.

Might I again point out that your first claim was that atheists don't read or have never read the bible? I pointed out that your statement was in error, as I have read the bible. I can also direct you to many atheists who have read the bible, and some who are even regarded as scholastic experts on the bible.

Where did I make the claim of inerrancy? Who am I, the Pope?


I wouldn't know anything about the Pope; I'm Protestant.

You've still not indicated that you're familiar with the Bible. I'm waiting for you to show me that you have some kind of reading sensitivity to the differences among the literary genres in the Bible. Explain to me the difference between an epistle and a psalm. Tell me who wrote Hebrews. Tell me what genre Leviticus is. Tell me who the original audience of Deuteronomy was. Tell me the historical background of the prophet Hosea.

I doubt that you can, but I'll wait while you hit Wikipedia.
 
2009-03-25 11:05:31 AM  

serial_crusher: cybrwzrd: In regards to abortion, here is another fun fact. Humans naturally miscarry upwards of 50% of all conceptions.

In 2008 alone there were roughly 136,000,000 births world wide. Tsis also means at most 136,000,000 "children" are aborted each year by natural causes.

Sometimes adults die too, so we should just make it legal to kill them if you want.

/ There's a difference between accidents and murder.


An adult also posseses self conciouness, an embryo or fetus does not.

That Cow/Pig/Fish/Chicken you will eat at lunch today has a higher degree of life than a fetus.
 
2009-03-25 11:06:04 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: "Wow.

And you would probably say that Christians confuse science and religion."


In what sense?

Deuce McStinkle: "I'm not interested in backing my claims with scientific fact. Religion and science are two different things. That's why public schools have no business teaching creationism in the classroom."

They have no business teaching creationism because it's been soundly disproven, as is the supernatural explanation for consciousness. It's a great example of religion making claims about reality, and being hilariously wrong. In fact that seems to be a bit of a historical pattern.

Deuce McStinkle: " seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding: science is the search for verifiable fact"

Any time religion speaks of reality, it treads into the domain of science.

Deuce McStinkle: "Religion is the search for transcendent truth."

How's that going, by the way? Turned up any transcendant truths in the past few millenia?

I might point out that I did not speak only of science. I pointed out a very plain theological issue in my first paragraph which you have not addressed. In fact, you've not addressed any of it.


Are you, or are you not a Christian?

Do you or do you not believe in souls?

Do you or do you not believe God created the universe?

Did God command genocides in the Bible, or did he not?


If you are a Christian, if you believe in souls, if you believe God created the universe and if I'm correct that the God you worship commanded genocides, then everything I've said is correct, and all you've done is evade the implications.
 
2009-03-25 11:08:42 AM  
If you are a Christian you are a delusional fool with daddy issues.

No amount of WHAAARRRGARBLE is going to change that.

/you have wasted your life on an illusion.
 
2009-03-25 11:08:58 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: "My God. What a bad idea. Who in the world would want to do such a thing. Not me, and not any Christian I know."

Apparently enough of them think it's a good idea that this guy nearly made the nomination:

i63.photobucket.com

And this woman came close to being the president of the United States:

i63.photobucket.com
 
2009-03-25 11:09:50 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: Explain to me the difference between an epistle and a psalm.

You mean the difference between a letter and a prayer?

Tell me who wrote Hebrews

Since it wasn't signed, we don't really know, do we..

However, I never claimed that I was a religious scholar. I was countering your claim that atheists have never read the bible. When I demonstrated familiarity, you then moved the goalposts so that for me to demonstrate expertise to your satisfaction, not only do I have to have read the bible, but now I need Bart Ehrman's level of knowledge.

Moving the goalposts is a common theist argument tactic.

I doubt that you can, but I'll wait while you hit Wikipedia.

Since I never claimed that level of expertise, I don't see how this is relevant.

Or does someone need to have a phd in Theology before they understand enough about Christianity in order to become a Christian?
 
2009-03-25 11:10:41 AM  

Deuce McStinkle: maddogdelta: Deuce McStinkle: I could say the same thing. Keep it up; you're doing fine.

Might I again point out that your first claim was that atheists don't read or have never read the bible? I pointed out that your statement was in error, as I have read the bible. I can also direct you to many atheists who have read the bible, and some who are even regarded as scholastic experts on the bible.

Where did I make the claim of inerrancy? Who am I, the Pope?

I wouldn't know anything about the Pope; I'm Protestant.

You've still not indicated that you're familiar with the Bible. I'm waiting for you to show me that you have some kind of reading sensitivity to the differences among the literary genres in the Bible. Explain to me the difference between an epistle and a psalm. Tell me who wrote Hebrews. Tell me what genre Leviticus is. Tell me who the original audience of Deuteronomy was. Tell me the historical background of the prophet Hosea.

I doubt that you can, but I'll wait while you hit Wikipedia.


I never read Mein Kampf but I know Hitler was crazy. Just because we aren't experts on your little book of fairy tales doesn't mean that we are unqualified to call you an idiot.
 
2009-03-25 11:11:09 AM  

The Icelander: thespindrifter: Christ called for Peace and Love, to the Jew first and to the Gentile also; Hitler called for hate and murder. It isn't too hard to figure out that power politics, not Christianity, was the real motivating factor here, and usually is. It isn't "No real Scotsman", it's a fact. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... but if it moos? Hmmm, might be a different critter.

If that's the case, then most Christians aren't really Christians.

DING, DING, DING, DING. We have a winner.

Very rarely will you ever meet a "Christian" that actually follows the teachings of Christ, I think that these folks get caught up in being part of the mob and neglect to comprehend what it is that Christ was saying. They believe but they don't listen, They have faith but they refuse to understand.

I am also amused at how many Christians wanted to go to war in Iraq, that is some peaceful, "love thy neighbor" religion you got there, Lou.

The biggest downfall of Christianity will be the Christians themselves...

 
2009-03-25 11:12:07 AM  
All beliefs are intolerant of all other beliefs.

Until you really understand what they're on about, criticism from the outside is pointless.

Atheists strike me as negative people: they know what they don't want because they don't know what they want.
 
2009-03-25 11:17:15 AM  

Zamboro: Deuce McStinkle: "Wow.

And you would probably say that Christians confuse science and religion."

In what sense?

Deuce McStinkle: "I'm not interested in backing my claims with scientific fact. Religion and science are two different things. That's why public schools have no business teaching creationism in the classroom."

They have no business teaching creationism because it's been soundly disproven, as is the supernatural explanation for consciousness. It's a great example of religion making claims about reality, and being hilariously wrong. In fact that seems to be a bit of a historical pattern.

Deuce McStinkle: " seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding: science is the search for verifiable fact"

Any time religion speaks of reality, it treads into the domain of science.

Deuce McStinkle: "Religion is the search for transcendent truth."

How's that going, by the way? Turned up any transcendant truths in the past few millenia?

I might point out that I did not speak only of science. I pointed out a very plain theological issue in my first paragraph which you have not addressed. In fact, you've not addressed any of it.


Are you, or are you not a Christian?

Do you or do you not believe in souls?

Do you or do you not believe God created the universe?

Did God command genocides in the Bible, or did he not?


If you are a Christian, if you believe in souls, if you believe God created the universe and if I'm correct that the God you worship commanded genocides, then everything I've said is correct, and all you've done is evade the implications.


1. One doesn't have to believe in a literal seven-day creation period to believe in original sin. That's your assumption.

2. I'm not sure what "genocide" you're addressing. Please be specific.

3. Of course, I'm a Christian. But I also voted for Obama; I don't think that creationism belongs in public schools; I support homosexual civil unions; and I think that a good majority of so-called Christian today engender people like you: those who think that a small sect of a religion represent all of it.

4. Slice it how you wish, my friend. You seem to be convinced in your moral righteousness.
 
2009-03-25 11:18:52 AM  
Conservationist: "Atheists strike me as negative people: they know what they don't want because they don't know what they want."

Read up on the history of the Freethought movement. Of course we don't all want exactly the same things, because we're a bunch of people connected only by our lack of theism, but there are a few shared interests, such as preserving the secular character of our government and advancing secular enlightenment ideals like freedom of thought.

Beyond that, it isn't really meaningful to ask what atheists believe, but rather what an individual atheist believes. Would you know what I, personally, stand for?
 
2009-03-25 11:19:31 AM  

mloree:

I never read Mein Kampf but I know Hitler was crazy. Just because we aren't experts on your little book of fairy tales doesn't mean that we are unqualified to call you an idiot.


Actually, that is exactly what makes you unqualified.

If I posted what a grand guy Hitler was and what a great person he was, you'd tell me to read Mein Kampf, no? Just so I could see the truth?

You've not read scripture; you have no understanding of it. You're not angry at Christianity. You are angry at the small section of Christians to which you've been exposed.
 
2009-03-25 11:23:15 AM  
My parents never took me to church and I never learned anything in the Bible until I was forced to read some of it in Lit class in college. It freaking pissed me off so bad, especially the whole hating women and minorities thing! Although late in life, I realized then that the Bible was just a tool used to control people and is reinterpreted over and and over again to fit someone's goals...just like the US Constitution. They can do whatever they want by using their made up God and/or their made up laws. There are better ways to get people to treat each other with respect, but most of the powerful people of the past and future aren't so interested in that. Let's just start over from the beginning and try this humanity thing again.
 
2009-03-25 11:23:26 AM  

maddogdelta: Deuce McStinkle: Explain to me the difference between an epistle and a psalm.

You mean the difference between a letter and a prayer?

Tell me who wrote Hebrews

Since it wasn't signed, we don't really know, do we..

However, I never claimed that I was a religious scholar. I was countering your claim that atheists have never read the bible. When I demonstrated familiarity, you then moved the goalposts so that for me to demonstrate expertise to your satisfaction, not only do I have to have read the bible, but now I need Bart Ehrman's level of knowledge.

Moving the goalposts is a common theist argument tactic.

I doubt that you can, but I'll wait while you hit Wikipedia.

Since I never claimed that level of expertise, I don't see how this is relevant.

Or does someone need to have a phd in Theology before they understand enough about Christianity in order to become a Christian?


Wow. You really missed the point, didn't you?

It's relevant, my friend, because you are attacking the Bible. If I started shooting my mouth off about science, you'd hit me with all of your cut-and-paste facts from the internet and claim that I don't know enough to argue.

I know that this may be hard for you to swallow, but all Christians aren't stupid. A large number of us reject neoconservative thought. A large number of us reject the co-opting of our religion by those with political aims.

I'm not "Moving the Goalposts" (what book did you get that one from?) I'm dealing with the issues.

Now, I'm certain that you're going to accuse me of some other "theist" stunt, so I'll wait.
 
2009-03-25 11:25:00 AM  

Zamboro: Deuce McStinkle: "My God. What a bad idea. Who in the world would want to do such a thing. Not me, and not any Christian I know."

Apparently enough of them think it's a good idea that this guy nearly made the nomination: Mike Huckabee

And this woman came close to being the president of the United States: Sarah Palin


What's your point? I supported neither of them.
 
2009-03-25 11:26:02 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: 2. I'm not sure what "genocide" you're addressing. Please be specific.

And you claim to have read the bible?
I'll give you 2 examples, the Amalekites
1 Samuel 15:2-3 (New International Version)

2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "

And the Mindinites
Numbers 31:7-40 (King James Version)

7And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

8And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.

9And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.

10And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.

11And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

12And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

13And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.

14And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

15And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

16Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
 
2009-03-25 11:26:12 AM  

mloree: Deuce McStinkle: maddogdelta: Deuce McStinkle: I could say the same thing. Keep it up; you're doing fine.

Might I again point out that your first claim was that atheists don't read or have never read the bible? I pointed out that your statement was in error, as I have read the bible. I can also direct you to many atheists who have read the bible, and some who are even regarded as scholastic experts on the bible.

Where did I make the claim of inerrancy? Who am I, the Pope?

I wouldn't know anything about the Pope; I'm Protestant.

You've still not indicated that you're familiar with the Bible. I'm waiting for you to show me that you have some kind of reading sensitivity to the differences among the literary genres in the Bible. Explain to me the difference between an epistle and a psalm. Tell me who wrote Hebrews. Tell me what genre Leviticus is. Tell me who the original audience of Deuteronomy was. Tell me the historical background of the prophet Hosea.

I doubt that you can, but I'll wait while you hit Wikipedia.

I never read Mein Kampf but I know Hitler was crazy. Just because we aren't experts on your little book of fairy tales doesn't mean that we are unqualified to call you an idiot.


Awesome Godwin.
 
2009-03-25 11:28:43 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: "1. One doesn't have to believe in a literal seven-day creation period to believe in original sin. That's your assumption."

No, I never said such a thing, and it's not my position. I said only that one must believe that the fall from grace occurred, and thus there was a garden, an Adam and Eve and so on. I never mentioned literal six day creation (the seventh was a day of rest) anywhere.

Deuce McStinkle: "2. I'm not sure what "genocide" you're addressing. Please be specific."

The genocide of the Canaanites. Israelites were promised land inhabited by several indigenous peoples, and the Israelites were instructed to kill every man, woman and child in most instances (except where they kept virginal girls for themselves) and to burn the buildings to the ground, and to kill all of the livestock.

Deuce McStinkle: "3. Of course, I'm a Christian. But I also voted for Obama; I don't think that creationism belongs in public schools; I support homosexual civil unions; and I think that a good majority of so-called Christian today engender people like you: those who think that a small sect of a religion represent all of it."

Would it surprise you to know that 40% of Americans overall don't accept evolution? In a nation that is 85% Christian, it's not hard to work out the difference and realize that the proportion of Christians who take a literal reading of Genesis are hardly a "small sect".

Deuce McStinkle: "4. Slice it how you wish, my friend. You seem to be convinced in your moral righteousness."

Come off it. You've brought up who you voted for, what rights you support, literally everything except the issues I raised. You answered only one of several questions, and you've spent several posts now evading the rest.

Do you believe in souls?

Do you believe in a creator God?

Did God command genocides or not?

For that matter, what's your take on God's permission to keep slaves?
 
2009-03-25 11:31:32 AM  

maddogdelta: Deuce McStinkle: 2. I'm not sure what "genocide" you're addressing. Please be specific.

And you claim to have read the bible?
I'll give you 2 examples, the Amalekites
1 Samuel 15:2-3 (New International Version)

2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "

And the Mindinites
Numbers 31:7-40 (King James Version)

7And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

8And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.

9And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.

10And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.

11And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

12And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

13And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.

14And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

15And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

16Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.


And? So what?

God gets to make those decisions; you don't.

I'm well aware of the history in the OT. I'm not seeing your point here. Just because these folks were killed doesn't undercut my Christianity.

Once again, however, you're missing the big point. Before the new covenant, Israel were God's chosen. God used Israel in the OT to dispense his wrath and his divine justice.

Just because you don't understand why God decided to have these people killed doesn't undercut the truth of Christianity.

See, you want it your way and your way only: you want God (or not) to conform to your vision. You want the world to be simple, easily understandable. You want to believe that human perception can grasp all truth. My Lord, friend. It can't.

So, yes, God had some people killed in the OT. I'm still not seeing your point.
 
2009-03-25 11:33:35 AM  

Zamboro:

Come off it. You've brought up who you voted for, what rights you support, literally everything except the issues I raised. You answered only one of several questions, and you've spent several posts now evading the rest.

Do you believe in souls?

Do you believe in a creator God?

Did God command genocides or not?

For that matter, what's your take on God's permission to keep slaves?


1. Of course I believe in a soul.

2. Of course I believe in a creator God.

3. You're pulling out of context again, misunderstanding the cultural background of a text.
 
2009-03-25 11:34:05 AM  
the point is there is no God that can be explained in a book....just heathen men.
 
2009-03-25 11:35:26 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: "So, yes, God had some people killed in the OT. I'm still not seeing your point."

"Killed some people"? It was a classically defined genocide. Whole populations were exterminated, down to evey last X, where X is "Canaanite", or any of the other tribes indigenous to the region when the Israelites swept through.

It's genocide. A holocaust. Your God commanded it. You worship a cosmic Hitler.
 
2009-03-25 11:36:14 AM  
Mekongcola:

So if he pops out of the tomb and sees his shadow, does that mean 6 more weeks of Lent?

/love the pic!
 
2009-03-25 11:36:20 AM  
Always an entertaining topic. Love the comic posts!

Try the site Why Does God Hate Amputees (new window) for a fun read.
 
2009-03-25 11:42:05 AM  

Zamboro: Deuce McStinkle: "So, yes, God had some people killed in the OT. I'm still not seeing your point."

"Killed some people"? It was a classically defined genocide. Whole populations were exterminated, down to evey last X, where X is "Canaanite", or any of the other tribes indigenous to the region when the Israelites swept through.

It's genocide. A holocaust. Your God commanded it. You worship a cosmic Hitler.


anyone want to got for a Godwin trifecta?
 
2009-03-25 11:43:40 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: "1. Of course I believe in a soul."

Then you're in the same camp as these people. The existence of the soul is contradicted by the findings of cognitive neurobiology. You're no better than a creationist in this regard.

Deuce McStinkle: "2. Of course I believe in a creator God."

Why? I've already posted links to research demonstrating a natural mechanism for causation of the big bang. What makes you think the universe must've been created?

Deuce McStinkle: "3. You're pulling out of context again, misunderstanding the cultural background of a text."

No, I'm not. You're throwing around "Out of context" as if it were a "Get out of facing the ugly brutality in the Bible free" card. I studied the Bible for hours every morning during the three years I attended a Christian academy, then at length on my own time in an Episcopal school. You may be able to use that bit on others, but it doesn't work on me, because I know when you're bullshiatting.

The context is that the Israelites, having been led by Moses into the promised land, found it inhabited by indigenous populations, which they were then commanded to completely exterminate right down to the livestock. When one military leader kept some of the livestock for himself, God lectured and punished him. The only instance in which any were spared was when Moses was permitted to keep a few thousand virginal girls for his men.

In context, all things considered, it's still inexcusable. You cannot justify genocide, and when you find yourself trying to do so, you need to stop and ask yourself what kind of monster your religious beliefs have made you into.
 
2009-03-25 11:45:01 AM  

mloree: Zamboro: Deuce McStinkle: "So, yes, God had some people killed in the OT. I'm still not seeing your point."

"Killed some people"? It was a classically defined genocide. Whole populations were exterminated, down to evey last X, where X is "Canaanite", or any of the other tribes indigenous to the region when the Israelites swept through.

It's genocide. A holocaust. Your God commanded it. You worship a cosmic Hitler.

anyone want to got for a Godwin trifecta?


ubetcha


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2009-03-25 11:45:03 AM  
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2009-03-25 11:46:16 AM  

Zamboro: Deuce McStinkle: "1. Of course I believe in a soul."

Then you're in the same camp as these people. The existence of the soul is contradicted by the findings of cognitive neurobiology. You're no better than a creationist in this regard.

Deuce McStinkle: "2. Of course I believe in a creator God."

Why? I've already posted links to research demonstrating a natural mechanism for causation of the big bang. What makes you think the universe must've been created?

Deuce McStinkle: "3. You're pulling out of context again, misunderstanding the cultural background of a text."

No, I'm not. You're throwing around "Out of context" as if it were a "Get out of facing the ugly brutality in the Bible free" card. I studied the Bible for hours every morning during the three years I attended a Christian academy, then at length on my own time in an Episcopal school. You may be able to use that bit on others, but it doesn't work on me, because I know when you're bullshiatting.

The context is that the Israelites, having been led by Moses into the promised land, found it inhabited by indigenous populations, which they were then commanded to completely exterminate right down to the livestock. When one military leader kept some of the livestock for himself, God lectured and punished him. The only instance in which any were spared was when Moses was permitted to keep a few thousand virginal girls for his men.

In context, all things considered, it's still inexcusable. You cannot justify genocide, and when you find yourself trying to do so, you need to stop and ask yourself what kind of monster your religious beliefs have made you into.


Excellent PWNage, sir.
 
2009-03-25 11:48:24 AM  
Deuce McStinkle: Just because you don't understand why God decided to have these people killed doesn't undercut the truth of Christianity.

So...if God has a good reason to commit genocide, then it's ok? Or is it OK because he's God, and so whatever he does is right?


And besides, I was actually addressing your question regarding genocide...To wit:

2. I'm not sure what "genocide" you're addressing. Please be specific.

I brought up 2 specific genocides, quoted straight from 1 Samuel and Numbers. I don't think these two books of the bible are part of some conspiracy to discredit God, but I would be happy to entertain any evidence you have to demonstrate that I am incorrect.

But allow me to ask you about your original post...remember, this one?

Wheeee! Look at me! I know nothing about religion, yet I feel the need to shoot off my mouth, paint with a broad brush, and stereotype all Christians.

Wheeeee!!! I've never even read the Bible! I wouldn't know an epistle from a psalm, yet I'm qualified to dismiss all forms of Christianity!

Wheeee!! Look at me! I've got internet access, so I have earned the right to speak on subjects about which I have absolutely no knowledge!

Wheee!! Look at me! I learned everything that I know about Christianity from an intro to philosophy course at my junior college and from those highly-regarded geniuses at the 4chan message boards!

Wheeeee!!!!


The basic premise was that atheists never read the bible, and paint all Christians with "a broad brush" to quote your phrase.

um.... don't you think your brush was a little broad? I had to point out to you where 2 genocides, authorized by God, are in the bible, which you seem to have forgotten, in spite of your vast knowledge of the bible.
 
2009-03-25 11:50:42 AM  
I agree with the Farkers who advocate just ignoring theologians from now on.

By arguing with them, you give them the impression that their faith is something that can tested or proven true/false through logical argument. Of course, it can't be done. They've lost, and hopefully this century is marked as the one where people peacefully lose the need for a security blanket and try to think rationally in all they do.
 
2009-03-25 11:52:31 AM  

Conservationist: All beliefs are intolerant of all other beliefs.


I believe you're oversimplifying things.


...douche.
 
2009-03-25 11:53:12 AM  
Deuce McStinkle:

I have been following your comments through the thread and I must say that they amuse me greatly.

I do need to ask, though, why if a Christian quotes a few verses from the bible for their agenda, it is considered "Preaching the Gospel Truth", but if a non-Christian does it, it is "Quoting out of context"?

And yes, your God is a genocidal god with either no plan whatsoever or a plan so twisted and sick that it would make even the most rabid lunatic ask "What the FARK is his problem?" Think about it: If "God" so loves all people, why did "He" allow nations like the Canaanites to rise up in the first place after the flood and then order others of his 'loved creatures' to kill their 'brothers' like that?

I think it all boils down to God being a big ol' invisible Michael Vic, myself - He creates us, pens us in separate 'cages' (nations/religions), and then on days like today, 9/11, etc., he dings the bell and pits his dogs (believers) against one another for personal amusement and/or ego-stroking.
 
2009-03-25 11:54:48 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Leviticus 18:22!


someone should tell these two about Leviticus 18:23...

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2009-03-25 11:55:00 AM  
mloree: "Excellent PWNage, sir."

Thanks, although it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrel.
 
2009-03-25 11:57:23 AM  

thespindrifter: Hitler Bush was about as "Christ like" as Mohamed; he was being political, and his "elimination of the atheist" was a political move to stamp out the Communiststerrorists, thus eliminating the competition and consolidating his power base, not in any way as a means to truly promote "Christ". The only God Adolf Hitler Bush 43 ever worshiped was himself.


FTFY.
 
2009-03-25 12:00:29 PM  

Premeditated_Road_Rage: Deuce McStinkle:

I have been following your comments through the thread and I must say that they amuse me greatly.

I do need to ask, though, why if a Christian quotes a few verses from the bible for their agenda, it is considered "Preaching the Gospel Truth", but if a non-Christian does it, it is "Quoting out of context"?

And yes, your God is a genocidal god with either no plan whatsoever or a plan so twisted and sick that it would make even the most rabid lunatic ask "What the FARK is his problem?" Think about it: If "God" so loves all people, why did "He" allow nations like the Canaanites to rise up in the first place after the flood and then order others of his 'loved creatures' to kill their 'brothers' like that?

I think it all boils down to God being a big ol' invisible Michael Vic, myself - He creates us, pens us in separate 'cages' (nations/religions), and then on days like today, 9/11, etc., he dings the bell and pits his dogs (believers) against one another for personal amusement and/or ego-stroking.


damn. that's the best explanation of the meaning of life I've ever heard.

/newsletter?
 
2009-03-25 12:03:48 PM  

Zamboro: The existence of the soul is contradicted by the findings of cognitive neurobiology. You're no better than a creationist in this regard.


That's about the biggest leap of faith I've ever seen. Consciousness is all codified now, eh? I guess they'll be rolling them off the assembly lines any day now.
 
2009-03-25 12:04:19 PM  

theinsultabot9000: give me doughnuts: theinsultabot9000: maybe you are for it because you think its just America. she should have her freedom of choice. ok, i can see that, land of the free, sound reasoning. you have a point. but if your argument is i or anyone else should give two shiats about a group of woman whose soul common link is that they were to incompetent to avoid pregnancy and to stupid to decide that of all her options, gutting herself with a coat hanger, thus eliminating not one but two genetic failures. i just don't see the point. in my opinion that is actually a valid point on the side of pro-lifers, that there stance indirectly benefits the genetic health of humanity

What valid point?

a main talking point of pro-choice people is that many woman will still have abortions, it will just be far more dangerous, because instead of practiced and sterilized equipment it will be back alley med school rejects using coat hangers, when problems inevitably develop, the woman and the child to be both die.

currently, an abortion is relatively safe for the woman, so right now any woman having an abortion is by nature farking retarded, she is underoing a simple procedure. but if pro-lifers wanted to make the point that any woman who went to the back alleyway and got herself killed, we are talking about not only the removal of both the grossly incompetent and/or stupid, but one who has already proven herself fertile. thats darwinism, and a valid point on the side of any who wished to see abortion outlawed


Why do you hate the coat-hanger industry?
 
2009-03-25 12:04:59 PM  
Zamboro: In context, all things considered, it's still inexcusable. You cannot justify genocide, and when you find yourself trying to do so, you need to stop and ask yourself what kind of monster your religious beliefs have made you into.

Amen

;-)

maddogdelta: So...if God has a good reason to commit genocide, then it's ok? Or is it OK because he's God, and so whatever he does is right?

Yeah, I don't think this argument can ever be won, because whenever we question something that doesn't make sense, they'll just rebut with, well, of course it doesn't make sense to US. But god in his all knowing has reasons that we don't know...

farm4.static.flickr.com

OR we'll get some fabulous circular reasoning:

farm4.static.flickr.com

So, really, we should just accept that Jesus was sent to us for a very special reason...

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2009-03-25 12:08:01 PM  
Aww, maybe I'm too late to jump into this thread, but here it goes:

We knew all our neighbors growing up with kids (the whole five of them). We were the only family on the block that did not attend a church of any kind. My mother was "spiritual" and my father was "agnostic". My sister and I didn't really care either way because we had a great childhood with loving parents.

Neighbors: Family one was devote catholic and BOTH their daughters ended up getting pregnant as teenagers. Lovely family values there. Family Two went to some church every Sunday and now has the father in prison for beating his wife to death and one son in prison for rape. Nice. Family Three was Mormom and has two gay son, two teenage daughters (twins) that are pregnant (four months apart), but the other two turned out okay. Family Four went to church every Sunday as well, but there is no more family four since he shot all the members before turning the gun on himself. Family Five is another of those abusive families, but this time it is the drugged up son who beats his mother for drug money and the father took off years ago to bang his slutty secretary. The daughter is a stripper.

Yup, religion is SUCH a positive influence on our society. Just think, their families would not be so colorful without keeping their heads constantly up their own asses.
 
2009-03-25 12:09:40 PM  
trappedspirit: "That's about the biggest leap of faith I've ever seen."

No, it isn't.

trappedspirit: "Consciousness is all codified now, eh? I guess they'll be rolling them off the assembly lines any day now."

We don't fully understand life. We can't roll new lifeforms off an assembly line. Is it therefore too presumptuous, based upon what we do know, to say that it evolved?

Please read the link I provided. No, we don't understand everything about the brain, but we do know enough to say that it produces consciousness as an emergent product of the interplay between its various specialized regions. That's what it does. That's it's function, as explained in the article. Your consciousness can no more persist apart from your brain that a program can execute outside of a processor, or be stored outside of a hard drive/CD/other storage medium.
 
2009-03-25 12:10:42 PM  
jekxrb: Yeah, I don't think this argument can ever be won, because whenever we question something that doesn't make sense, they'll just rebut with, well, of course it doesn't make sense to US. But god in his all knowing has reasons that we don't know...

farm4.static.flickr.com


Tracie is another favorite of mine.

Since you debunked my "separated at birth" theory, how 'bout you're the daughter I would have had if I spent more time in Canada as a youth...
// I'll even beat up jerk ex boyfriends that bug you, if you want!
 
2009-03-25 12:13:27 PM  
maddogdelta: "// I'll even beat up jerk ex boyfriends that bug you, if you want!"

The minute you said this I started reading her name as jerkxb and it blew my mind a little. :p
 
2009-03-25 12:15:30 PM  
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2009-03-25 12:18:06 PM  
The christian religeon is not supposed to be tolerant. In fact, it is based on intolerance, and much of this intolerance is designed to spread the word of their God.

Before I get hit with it..
"Thou shalt not judge, let ye be judged yourself.." is not a statement regarding being non-judgemental, it was regarding hypocracy, stating essentially that if you're cheating on your wife, you'd better not say how wrong it is of your neighbor to cheat on theirs.

Can anyone say, after reading the bible, that the bible is all about being non-judgemental? It's full of judgements, the entire religeon is based on the fact that society itself doesn't embrace it, and it's important to find a path that is righteous, regardless of the personal cost. How would you know the right path unless you made judgements on the options availible to you?

The apple in the garden of Eden, per the story, is the source of our ability to determine good from Evil. As the story goes, it's revealed that God didn't want that to happen, but he'll make the best of it. That ability IS the ability to determine a righteous, versus non-righteous path... the ability and REQUIREMENT to judge the actions of those around us and make decisions accordingly.

I wish I was a bit more religeous personally, but I'm not.. However, I find the whole thing fascinating. The bible functions as an excellent guide on how a society can surive and thrive together in a productive environment. It's a shame that no one seems to truly follow it's teachings anymore.

Remember, the path to heaven is (per the story) a narrow road, and not to be immediately found. Also, that treating others as we'd want to be treated is what all of the "laws" of the bible are based on.

Would you want to be told you're going to rot in hell by someone you don't agree with? Would you rather gently be told that there's another option out there.
 
2009-03-25 12:27:36 PM  
twoowlz: 'What the Bleep do We Know"


That film was produced by members of the Ramtha cult (new window) based in the Pacific Northwest, which believes that its leader is in telepathic contact with an ancient Atlantean warrior prince named Ramtha. The interviews were held under false pretenses and many of the physicists who appear in the film have since condemned it as they weren't told about the new age angle the film would have.

It's pseudoscience (new window), and I hope you don't take it seriously.
 
2009-03-25 12:27:51 PM  
Zamboro: maddogdelta: "// I'll even beat up jerk ex boyfriends that bug you, if you want!"

The minute you said this I started reading her name as jerkxb and it blew my mind a little. :p


*sigh*

While I do have several of those, that was NOT in any way the origin of my handle. :P
 
2009-03-25 12:29:12 PM  

jaylectricity: Gasoline for the hellfire.


Fark TAA in the ear. He's a douche of colossal proportions.

/6.9 atheist
 
2009-03-25 12:29:50 PM  

almafuerte: Let evolution decide. Stop being considerate to each other. That kills evolution.


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Evolution selects at all levels, including those both larger and smaller that the individual organism.
 
2009-03-25 12:29:57 PM  
There has never been so self-serving a logically fallacy, to the religious, as the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. It's amazing, just watch it in action:

P1: "Man that guy is a real homophobic, racist, *sshole. Always using his Christian faith as an excuse for his bad behaviour."
P2: "Oh, he doesn't count. He's not a 'true Christian'."
-------
P1: "Wow, look at that guy over there spreading love and charity."
P2: "Since he is doing good works that mean he must be, by definition, a 'true Christian'."

You too can selectively own, and disown, people as members of your religious group on a whim by simply prefixing the word 'true' in front of the adjective form of your religion: Has someone who believes the same things as you recently become 'inconvenient' to your belief that only good people are members of your religion? Just say they're not a 'true' member of your faith. Cognitive dissonance resolved!

/... or is it?
 
2009-03-25 12:32:28 PM  

Premeditated_Road_Rage: Deuce McStinkle:

I have been following your comments through the thread and I must say that they amuse me greatly.

I do need to ask, though, why if a Christian quotes a few verses from the bible for their agenda, it is considered "Preaching the Gospel Truth", but if a non-Christian does it, it is "Quoting out of context"?

And yes, your God is a genocidal god with either no plan whatsoever or a plan so twisted and sick that it would make even the most rabid lunatic ask "What the FARK is his problem?" Think about it: If "God" so loves all people, why did "He" allow nations like the Canaanites to rise up in the first place after the flood and then order others of his 'loved creatures' to kill their 'brothers' like that?

I think it all boils down to God being a big ol' invisible Michael Vic, myself - He creates us, pens us in separate 'cages' (nations/religions), and then on days like today, 9/11, etc., he dings the bell and pits his dogs (believers) against one another for personal amusement and/or ego-stroking.


THIS. Except in my religion we call him Ron Mexico.
 
2009-03-25 12:35:26 PM  

bushbot111: That "Help we're being oppressed" graph really makes no sense. It implies that a statistical majority cannot be oppressed, which is simply not true. I'd wager fewer than 1/3 of farkers actually understand that concept. That being said, Christians are not being oppressed.


That always bugged me too. By that logic, blacks were never oppressed in South Africa.
 
2009-03-25 12:35:37 PM  
Dead-Guy

The bible functions as an excellent guide on how a society can surive and thrive together in a productive environment. It's a shame that no one seems to truly follow it's teachings anymore.

I think they still stone people for sexual "immorality" in some places in the world...

Also, that treating others as we'd want to be treated is what all of the "laws" of the bible are based on.

How does "rapists and their victims must be married, and the victim's father paid in silver, if the victim was a virgin prior to the rape" reflect the Golden Rule?
 
2009-03-25 12:36:16 PM  

Premeditated_Road_Rage: I do need to ask, though, why if a Christian quotes a few verses from the bible for their agenda, it is considered "Preaching the Gospel Truth", but if a non-Christian does it, it is "Quoting out of context"?


That's a brilliant point. Whenever a Christian quotes something from the bible, I'm now going to say it's out of context. :D

That should get me a few good reactions.
 
2009-03-25 12:36:46 PM  

Zamboro: twoowlz: 'What the Bleep do We Know"


That film was produced by members of the Ramtha cult (new window) based in the Pacific Northwest, which believes that its leader is in telepathic contact with an ancient Atlantean warrior prince named Ramtha. The interviews were held under false pretenses and many of the physicists who appear in the film have since condemned it as they weren't told about the new age angle the film would have.

It's pseudoscience (new window), and I hope you don't take it seriously.


I didn't know about the scientists condemning the film. Yeah, I thought the Ramtha thing was weird, but mostly because that woman is scary looking...but fun to consider none the less...and a lot more believable and kind spirited than the bible in my opinion. I believe the whole Edgar Cayce thing so the idea of Ramtha is not so far fetched in my little world.
 
2009-03-25 12:39:13 PM  

The Name: EL_FABREZ: What_Would_Jimi_Do: Leviticus 18:22!


Leviticus is some crazy shiat. Eat shellfish? Stoning. Cut your hair? Stoning. Wife cheats on you? Stoning. Flat nose? No heaven for you. Crippled? Ditto. Wear two different types of fabric? BZZZT!

You have to laugh at anybody who says they take the bible literally.

It's precisely because of books like Leviticus that I laugh at people who try to pwn Christians by quoting the Old Testament. Since it's fairly early in this thread still, I'll give the atheists to come a little tip:

Christians are well aware of the "intolerance" (as we moderns would call it) and heavy-handedness of the Old Testament. This barbarity contrasted with the pacifism of Jesus Christ is precisely one of the differences distinguishing the Old Testament from the New Testament. I'd go into the theology and apologetics a bit, but I've smoked too much wacky tobacky.



But isn't Leviticus one of the primary arguments against gay marriage? You can quote Leviticus when it suits you, but disregard it when it says something you don't agree with. Thats just picking and choosing.

And if you pick and choose which moral guidelines to follow, then why do you need the bible?

Not you specifically, just generally speaking.
 
2009-03-25 12:42:16 PM  
BergZ: Just say they're not a 'true' member of your faith. Cognitive dissonance resolved!

That's what religion is all about. Vague, ever changing answers and sidestepping the issues so that cognitive dissonance and illogic can be 'avoided'.

Here's an example of a good Christian:

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maddogdelta: Since you debunked my "separated at birth" theory, how 'bout you're the daughter I would have had if I spent more time in Canada as a youth...

Are you asking me to call you Daddy? hmmmm.... ;-)
 
2009-03-25 12:43:23 PM  

Zamboro: The context is that the Israelites, having been led by Moses into the promised land, found it inhabited by indigenous populations, which they were then commanded to completely exterminate right down to the livestock.


Actually, the archeology suggests that's an even bigger myth than the claim that Rome was founded by twin sons of the God of War who were nursed by a wolf.

So, the context appears to be: this is the story the locals made up to make themselves sound impressive.

hailin: Just think, their families would not be so colorful without keeping their heads constantly up their own asses.


The scary part is the historical odds imply that they'd be even more colorful without religion to instill a howsoever ignored moral framework. (Yes, other bases for frameworks are possible; they just don't has as well-proven a record yet.)
 
2009-03-25 12:51:36 PM  

jekxrb: Anti-God is Anti-American


"Take that, you anti-American traitor!"

"Noooo, foiled again!"

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2009-03-25 12:52:15 PM  

Zamboro: Deuce McStinkle: "So, yes, God had some people killed in the OT. I'm still not seeing your point."

"Killed some people"? It was a classically defined genocide. Whole populations were exterminated, down to evey last X, where X is "Canaanite", or any of the other tribes indigenous to the region when the Israelites swept through.

It's genocide. A holocaust. Your God commanded it. You worship a cosmic Hitler.


they were wicked idolators. God judged the Canaanites, and wiped them out. not the first time. remember the flood?

won't be the last time either.
 
2009-03-25 12:54:01 PM  
abb3w: "Actually, the archeology suggests that's an even bigger myth than the claim that Rome was founded by twin sons of the God of War who were nursed by a wolf.

So, the context appears to be: this is the story the locals made up to make themselves sound impressive."


I'm aware. There aren't human remains where you'd expect them nor in the quantities described, no ruins of kingdoms where the Torah claims they once stood, stuff like that.

The relevant issue here is not whether it happened, but why Christians who do believe it happened are willing to rationalize genocide. It's the thought that counts, as it were.

twoowlz: "I didn't know about the scientists condemning the film. Yeah, I thought the Ramtha thing was weird, but mostly because that woman is scary looking...but fun to consider none the less...and a lot more believable and kind spirited than the bible in my opinion. I believe the whole Edgar Cayce thing so the idea of Ramtha is not so far fetched in my little world."

It is fun to consider. And 'kind spirited'. But then, wishful thinking is very seductive, and rarely leads us to correct conclusions. Let us believe something because the evidence supports it, not because it's appealing and desirable. Down that path lies self-deception.

The reason we see so much Deepak Chopra style quantum quackery nowadays is because it's in its relative infancy as a science, and it's still poorly understood. Back when electricity ha