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2009-03-25 12:05:08 AM
What would Jesús do?
 
2009-03-25 12:05:33 AM
Oh God, I'm watching the YouTube video on Los Zetas, and they just explained that the US and Mexico are separated by "the mighty Rio Grande." If these guys are that impressed by the Rio Grande, me and my homies would scare the shiat out of them. (I belong to a loosely organized but fiercely loyal gang known as "78704." We have our own gang signs and bumper stickers.)
 
2009-03-25 12:06:13 AM
FiatJustitia: Great Janitor: The military, when soldiers enlist or get commissioned take an oath that says to protect the U.S. from all enemies, foreign and domestic. We even have a branch of the Army called the National Guard, who by their very name imply protecting the nation.

Now, we have a group of people who walk across the boarder, breaking the law in the process, and working in vast numbers to assimilate our nation into an extension of theirs. Why have we not said, "The illegal aliens from Mexico now constitute an foreign enemy and must be dealt with." and use the National Guard?

Yes, I know Mexico is a shiat hole and they'd rather be here than over there, but I've seen the sections in several cities in my area and they are all shiat holes. They aren't coming here for a better life, they're bringing their 7/10 of them are bringing their shiat hole lives with them and bringing down property values and only raising the crime statistics. The only way Mexico is going to get any better is for Mexicans to band together and fight against the evil in Mexico. It is asinine when you consider the fact that they have no problem coming to this nation and demanding rights in vast numbers when those same vast numbers could be used to fight against the drug czars and government corruption.

You're from Dallas and you're talking about a shiathole?



Sorry, Waco. Even worse.


Also, Fano:

Isn't that the same guy who failed to catch this guy:

www.freedomarchives.org
 
2009-03-25 12:10:23 AM
tweekster: FrankTheYank: TheShavingofOccam123: In my neighborhood, it's three homicides tied to illegals and their gangs.

Who did they kill?

a business owner, a boyfriend and one of two innocent bystanders they shot.

There's a big difference between drug cartels and US drug gangs (or just dumbass gangbangers, as the case may be.) If the Mexican cartels were peaceful, loving people who cooperated in sweet harmony to manufacture and export drugs, the drugs would still be distributed and sold here by violent street gangs, which would naturally include illegals. The most notorious example would be the Mara Salvatrucha, mostly composed of immigrants from Central American countries that are not significant producers of illegal drugs.

Now, as to the original question, which is whether the battle with and among the cartels will destabilize Mexico and cause violence and disorder in the United States, the answer is that things seem to be going pretty much as always. The Mexican government pledges their commitment to ending the cartels, the Mexican police and military fight half-heartedly because of fear, low pay, and corruption, and journalists and politicians talk tough but occasionally end up dead when they accidentally cross a line. Occasionally some cartel violence spills a few miles over the border. Same ol' same ol'.

SigmaAlgebra
Well, the guys who were the personal bodyguard for Cardenas and provide the muscle for the Gulf Cartel are a group known as Los Zetas who are former Mexican special forces that were more than likely trained by the US military.

Yeah, I heard about that when some of them were spotted or arrested in Texas. They're here and they're bad! I heard that they've done some freelance assassination work in the U.S., but that's it. It's not like they're smallpox and we're pre-1492 Native Americans. It's more like the opposite -- their qualifications and equipment aren't very useful here.

We did worse to pablo escobar and he was a hell of alot more powerful than any of the mexican cartel leaders

Basically if we want to mess with the cartels in mexico, it will take small groups of special forces and a supporting team of sigint.

Will it get results, yes, is it a good idea overall? that is debateable, escobar was killed and that had positives, that also had some negatives too.


What did killing Escobar really accomplish, though? When the Medellin Cartel collapsed, the Cali Cartel took over. When they collapsed, the Norte del Valle Cartel took over. There is always another group that will step into the vacuum. The drug trade is too lucrative for people in poorer countries to not take a chance on. Maybe if we kept special forces deployed all over South America stretching our already over deployed military even farther, we could keep things under control, but not without a great cost in lives and money. I'd prefer we just legalize them.
 
2009-03-25 12:11:01 AM
FiatJustitia: Great Janitor: The military, when soldiers enlist or get commissioned take an oath that says to protect the U.S. from all enemies, foreign and domestic. We even have a branch of the Army called the National Guard, who by their very name imply protecting the nation.

Now, we have a group of people who walk across the boarder, breaking the law in the process, and working in vast numbers to assimilate our nation into an extension of theirs. Why have we not said, "The illegal aliens from Mexico now constitute an foreign enemy and must be dealt with." and use the National Guard?

Yes, I know Mexico is a shiat hole and they'd rather be here than over there, but I've seen the sections in several cities in my area and they are all shiat holes. They aren't coming here for a better life, they're bringing their 7/10 of them are bringing their shiat hole lives with them and bringing down property values and only raising the crime statistics. The only way Mexico is going to get any better is for Mexicans to band together and fight against the evil in Mexico. It is asinine when you consider the fact that they have no problem coming to this nation and demanding rights in vast numbers when those same vast numbers could be used to fight against the drug czars and government corruption.

You're from Dallas and you're talking about a shiathole?


I've lived in several areas of Texas, South Carolina, Chicago, Alaska, England and Denmark. I would definitely put Dallas as less of a shiat hole than Chicago, South Carolina. Alaska wasn't a shiat hole while I was living there.

Now I have a friend who grew up in Mexico and was telling me about life in Mexico. Yeah, shiat hole is a good way to sum up his explanation of his home land. How bad? He thought my family was rich because the floor in our home wasn't dirt.
 
2009-03-25 12:11:11 AM
Sabyen91: We will still airlift them out if needed.

Well, okay, just remember that they mostly sleep past noon, and, watch out for ground fire, because, you know, Texas, we shoot at everything.
 
2009-03-25 12:12:08 AM
FiatJustitia: FiatJustitia: Great Janitor: The military, when soldiers enlist or get commissioned take an oath that says to protect the U.S. from all enemies, foreign and domestic. We even have a branch of the Army called the National Guard, who by their very name imply protecting the nation.

Now, we have a group of people who walk across the boarder, breaking the law in the process, and working in vast numbers to assimilate our nation into an extension of theirs. Why have we not said, "The illegal aliens from Mexico now constitute an foreign enemy and must be dealt with." and use the National Guard?

Yes, I know Mexico is a shiat hole and they'd rather be here than over there, but I've seen the sections in several cities in my area and they are all shiat holes. They aren't coming here for a better life, they're bringing their 7/10 of them are bringing their shiat hole lives with them and bringing down property values and only raising the crime statistics. The only way Mexico is going to get any better is for Mexicans to band together and fight against the evil in Mexico. It is asinine when you consider the fact that they have no problem coming to this nation and demanding rights in vast numbers when those same vast numbers could be used to fight against the drug czars and government corruption.

You're from Dallas and you're talking about a shiathole?


Sorry, Waco. Even worse.


Also, Fano:

Isn't that the same guy who failed to catch this guy:


(Pic of Pancho Villa)

Yes indeed. REVENGE! Tonight, we ride!
 
2009-03-25 12:12:49 AM
FiatJustitia: You're from Dallas and you're talking about a shiathole?


Dallas isn't bad at all.

/Of course, I haven't been there since 1985.
//And we lived in the yuppie town of Coppell.
 
2009-03-25 12:14:36 AM
ABC news has to stop trying to start wars. Why the fark isn't NATO taking the microphone away from these insane imbeciles? The US has already started a clusterfark in the Middle East with Iraq. At what point will the American people simply breathe a sigh of relief if NATO or the UN come in, take the mic away from the warmongers, hand it to a pacifist for a set few months, and then leave?

So many people could have been saved in Rwanada if the Canadian forces there took the mic away from the people fomenting the slaughter. It is one of the uncomfortable truths that Canada still hasn't come to grips with...
 
2009-03-25 12:15:26 AM
SigmaAlgebra: What did killing Escobar really accomplish, though? When the Medellin Cartel collapsed, the Cali Cartel took over. When they collapsed, the Norte del Valle Cartel took over. There is always another group that will step into the vacuum. The drug trade is too lucrative for people in poorer countries to not take a chance on. Maybe if we kept special forces deployed all over South America stretching our already over deployed military even farther, we could keep things under control, but not without a great cost in lives and money. I'd prefer we just legalize them.

The cali cartel was atleast more subtle. Less violent etc. Obviously not good but still better than having escobars war against colombia.

Like I said, it gets results, it just may not be ideal or the best results.
 
2009-03-25 12:19:04 AM
We can stop the drug traffic violence if we start making our own cocaine.
 
2009-03-25 12:21:21 AM
www.absolutads.com
 
2009-03-25 12:21:29 AM
hyperspacemonkey: At what point will the American people simply breathe a sigh of relief if NATO or the UN come in

How about never? Will never farking work for you?
 
2009-03-25 12:21:51 AM
Great Janitor: FiatJustitia: Great Janitor: The military, when soldiers enlist or get commissioned take an oath that says to protect the U.S. from all enemies, foreign and domestic. We even have a branch of the Army called the National Guard, who by their very name imply protecting the nation.

Now, we have a group of people who walk across the boarder, breaking the law in the process, and working in vast numbers to assimilate our nation into an extension of theirs. Why have we not said, "The illegal aliens from Mexico now constitute an foreign enemy and must be dealt with." and use the National Guard?

Yes, I know Mexico is a shiat hole and they'd rather be here than over there, but I've seen the sections in several cities in my area and they are all shiat holes. They aren't coming here for a better life, they're bringing their 7/10 of them are bringing their shiat hole lives with them and bringing down property values and only raising the crime statistics. The only way Mexico is going to get any better is for Mexicans to band together and fight against the evil in Mexico. It is asinine when you consider the fact that they have no problem coming to this nation and demanding rights in vast numbers when those same vast numbers could be used to fight against the drug czars and government corruption.

You're from Dallas and you're talking about a shiathole?

I've lived in several areas of Texas, South Carolina, Chicago, Alaska, England and Denmark. I would definitely put Dallas as less of a shiat hole than Chicago, South Carolina. Alaska wasn't a shiat hole while I was living there.

Now I have a friend who grew up in Mexico and was telling me about life in Mexico. Yeah, shiat hole is a good way to sum up his explanation of his home land. How bad? He thought my family was rich because the floor in our home wasn't dirt.


Really now? You have one friend who had dirt floors and all the country is like that?

I grew up there, and even the friends that were "poor" by my standards had proper floors and...oh, my, God...central air. This was standard. Don't believe everything you see in the Robert Rodriguez movies, makes you stand out.
 
2009-03-25 12:22:51 AM
[http://www.absolutads.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/absolut_mexico.jpg]

A map of the New Republic of Texas, Ah presume?
 
2009-03-25 12:24:43 AM
Fano

Holy christ, did you just drop a Fortress America reference into this thread??

+1 to you good sir!
 
2009-03-25 12:26:42 AM
Fano

With all due respect, Pershing was quite a good general, just couldn't catch Villa.
Here's a picture of them when they were friends:

http://ameddregiment.amedd.army.mil/fshmuse/images/pershing_villa.gif

(left to right: General Alvaro Obregon, General Francisco Villa, General "Black Jack" Pershing, and then-Lieutenant George S. Patton)
 
2009-03-25 12:27:22 AM
ameddregiment.amedd.army.mil
 
2009-03-25 12:28:52 AM
Unlikely tag? It's already worse than Iraq.
 
2009-03-25 12:33:01 AM
Still no drug reform that lays the responsibility of drug use on individuals instead of a big brother government. Still no economic equality between the US and Mexico. Still no US military assets used for what they were meant for, namely, protecting the US border from those who would do Americans harm.

We certainly think we can legislate away all our problems.
 
2009-03-25 12:33:06 AM
Drakin020: HoratioGates: The difference is that if we legalized drugs Mexico would stabilize. We could use the tax revenue to fund real drug treatment.

bahahahaha....Oh wait...Your're serious?

....
......
........

AHAHAHAHAHAA!


lol
 
2009-03-25 12:35:02 AM
i234.photobucket.com
 
2009-03-25 12:39:31 AM
We should invade Cuba first, then Mexico will shape up on its own.

/Just keeding.
//But Castro needs to farking die already.
 
2009-03-25 12:40:49 AM
Great Janitor: Now I have a friend who grew up in Mexico and was telling me about life in Mexico. Yeah, shiat hole is a good way to sum up his explanation of his home land. How bad? He thought my family was rich because the floor in our home wasn't dirt.

I'm mexican. I'm writting this comment in a macbook. I live in a two-story house with wooden floors in the living quarters. I'm supposed to be upper middle-class, yet I live in the smack middle of the city (Hermosillo). I'm an architecture student yet I work as an intern in an urban planning firm.

Yes, Mexico is not the best of places to live in. We have 188 years of being farked up and we haven't had a single year in our nation's history that we haven't fought against ourselves, or fought another inner struggle partly fueled by foreign countries (during the final years of the 19th century and early 20th, Mexico had the best relations with Japan than any other western country because we were both nations forced into the international community by Europe and the US).

Then again, not all of the drug violence is allover the country. The shootings are relegated to the border towns, and the poorest areas of the south and center of Mexico.

That doesn't stop them from being tragic and horrifying. And need to stop.

/sick and tired of ignorant and self-righteous idiots that claim to know Mexico just because they know one guy
//Hell, don't even take my word for granted, I live in an area that is pretty much calmed
 
2009-03-25 12:45:57 AM
tdpatriots12: Snarfangel: can we keep it

I sure hope so, 24k a turn is nothing to thumb your nose at!



/I'm not obsessed, really


What game is that?
 
2009-03-25 12:50:16 AM
Can we just nuke everything from Mexico to Nicaragua?
 
2009-03-25 12:51:44 AM
oh...and Ticos=truly awesome people.
 
2009-03-25 12:52:27 AM
Surprised that a Mexico thread has no mention of taken jorbs, or funny pictures of Mexicans running across the border.... it must be late in Farkland.
 
2009-03-25 12:53:22 AM
What CygnusDarius said.
 
2009-03-25 12:53:36 AM
tdpatriots12: Snarfangel: can we keep it

I sure hope so, 24k a turn is nothing to thumb your nose at!



/I'm not obsessed, really


What game is that?
 
2009-03-25 12:56:40 AM
Come on you bunch of ignoramous americanos, all this talk about how bad Mexico is, illgals, and narcos. Can I ask you who in the fark is using all this shiat???? If there was not such a big demand for these drugs, there would none of this happening. And don't tell me to llegalize meth,mari and cocaine, that will not happen. The USA shares a large part of the blame.
 
2009-03-25 12:59:41 AM
Mexico is a diverse country. and bullshiat going on in some border towns doesn't mean the whole country is experiencing that bullshiat, or well bullshiat at the same level.

\just sayin'
 
2009-03-25 01:01:21 AM
fartlighter3: Come on you bunch of ignoramous americanos, all this talk about how bad Mexico is, illgals, and narcos. Can I ask you who in the fark is using all this shiat???? If there was not such a big demand for these drugs, there would none of this happening. And don't tell me to llegalize meth,mari and cocaine, that will not happen. The USA shares a large part of the blame.

Bienvenido a Fark.
 
2009-03-25 01:02:12 AM
fartlighter3: Come on you bunch of ignoramous americanos, all this talk about how bad Mexico is, illgals, and narcos. Can I ask you who in the fark is using all this shiat???? If there was not such a big demand for these drugs, there would none of this happening. And don't tell me to llegalize meth,mari and cocaine, that will not happen. The USA shares a large part of the blame.


I hope the ladies feel better.
 
2009-03-25 01:04:48 AM
WienerButt: Surprised that a Mexico thread has no mention of taken jorbs, or funny pictures of Mexicans running across the border.... it must be late in Farkland.

This is less about illegal immigration, and much more about drug prohibition creating an environment in a neighboring country of this nature. The government really needs to develop that soma shiat i read about in that book. Or reform drug laws while increasing border enforcement. People will always do drugs, always have, always will.
bitterqueen.typepad.com
2.bp.blogspot.com
Estoy creative!
/saw in another fark thread.
//i like how we are getting legalize it! threads almost every day because mexico is becoming a farking warzone.
 
2009-03-25 01:05:49 AM
If there is a war on the border between US and Mexico, where will they bury the survivors?
 
2009-03-25 01:07:38 AM
ohdoublereally: If there is a war on the border between US and Mexico, where will they bury the survivors?

Outer space.
 
2009-03-25 01:11:11 AM
Markoff_Cheney: ohdoublereally: If there is a war on the border between US and Mexico, where will they bury the survivors?

Outer space.


Wouldn't the dirt float away?
 
2009-03-25 01:17:43 AM
ohdoublereally: Markoff_Cheney: ohdoublereally: If there is a war on the border between US and Mexico, where will they bury the survivors?

Outer space.

Wouldn't the dirt float away?


In summary, who gives a fark, we need to be blasting corpses into outer space. Point them at the sun. The reasoning behind it is sound, and this reasoning is 'to be farking awesome'. End discussion.
 
2009-03-25 01:26:10 AM
Operation Mexican Freedom?
 
2009-03-25 01:41:08 AM
as somebody who works closely with a a lot of illegals, it never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who have drank the kool-aid. Almost all of the illegals here are poor, but they dont come here to the land of milk and honey to escape their poor, downtrodden existence. They come to work a few years, build their house and return, rinse, repeat. Anybody who thinks that their coming here is a matter of life and death is mistaken. As it stands now Mexico is on the brink, and I wouldnt want any of my compadres to be forced back against the border against their will, I just want them to pay their farking taxes. Something needs to be done about the lax security at the border. Mexican nationals are kidnapping and killing u.s. citizens and the government is doing nothing. Illegal workers are claiming 5,6,7 dependants and the government looks the other way. They are only here because we want them here, and the moment that changes they will be gone.
 
2009-03-25 01:43:42 AM
farm4.static.flickr.com

hotter than a green pepper senor!
 
2009-03-25 01:48:40 AM
Xetal: Seriously... "War on Drugs"? That's like having a "War on Plastics" or a "War on the Color Purple" or a "War on Vowels".

It isn't something you can possibly win.


sidesalad.net

Don't mess with Whoopi, she'll shank you.

/As hot as that pic above my post.
 
2009-03-25 01:48:54 AM
Everyone just calm down.

Let's focus on the issues

Do they have hittable women?
Do they have MILFS?
Are there any pictures?
Is there any tecate left because I still have lime and salt

OK see...nothing to get worked up about.
 
2009-03-25 01:54:21 AM
Jeez, we're financing both sides of "the war on terror", we're financing both sides of "the war on drugs" and we can get out of one of them by legalizing it.

Legalize terrorism!
 
2009-03-25 02:02:16 AM
I'm tellin' ya, complete annexation will solve a lot of our ills.

/of course, it will cause a lot of others too.
 
2009-03-25 02:16:43 AM
Anyone who smokes mexican pot, snorts a line of cocaine, meth or shoots up with mexican heroin has the blood of thousands on their hands.

/can't stand whining pro-legalization reprobates.
//Wishes the US would adopt the same stance as China and drag drug peddlers into a stadium and blow their brains out.
///Drug users are worthless piles of dung.
 
2009-03-25 02:23:58 AM
phunkey_monkey: Anyone who smokes mexican pot, snorts a line of cocaine, meth or shoots up with mexican heroin has the blood of thousands on their hands.

/can't stand whining pro-legalization reprobates.
//Wishes the US would adopt the same stance as China and drag drug peddlers into a stadium and blow their brains out.
///Drug users are worthless piles of dung.


2/10. Lacks creativity and content. Just not feeling the enthusiasm.
 
2009-03-25 02:50:19 AM
jpbreon: What game is that?

Nappy Imus: What game is that?

Empire: Total War, for PC.
 
Ral
2009-03-25 02:56:11 AM
Legalize all drugs. Problem solved.
 
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