What about making movies about it??

So far tonight, Lady Luck's been stretching her legs in his direction.



A great line from a great article.

EviLincoln: Playing cards is booooooooooooooooooooooooring.

My wife can talk me into Euchre maybe 3 times a year.

Tedious stuff.


I was going to rip on you for feeling you needed to post this in a thread about - GASP - playing cards, but then I saw that you complimented my Fark handle in your profile, so carry on.

Otto's_Jacket: So far tonight, Lady Luck's been stretching her legs in his direction.



A great line from a great article.

Seconded. Great article.

Just like that movie Fight Club. I don't know if anyone will get that reference, though.

EviLincoln: Playing cards is booooooooooooooooooooooooring.

My wife can talk me into Euchre maybe 3 times a year.

Tedious stuff.

I see your problem.

See, Spades is my kinda game. Spades is bridge, for people who are too dumb to actually play bridge.

Euchre is spades for people too dumb to actually play spades.

Zagloba : See, Spades is my kinda game. Spades is bridge, for people who are too dumb to actually play bridge.

Euchre is spades for people too dumb to actually play spades.


That's racist.

Did we need to get a two page article describing someone calling on and failing to hit a flush draw?

I like poker...I just hate people :(

$1000 is half a month's rent???

I knew housing prices were high there, but not THAT high.

bamf75: I like poker...I just hate people :(

QFT.

Lahk las time, when I stick it in you...

Resonant: $1000 is half a month's rent???

I knew housing prices were high there, but not THAT high.

2k a month doesn't get you that much on the island.

You've got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em...

Layhs down a monster. The fahk did you lay that down?

PF: 5/10, AA raises to 50, AQ calls 50, Pot: 115
F: AA bets 150, AQ raises to 400, AA raises to 1000, Pot: 1515

1515, 600 to call... that's 2.5:1, so isn't the call correct on 8 outs twice (shading down for the flopped set potential)? I haven't played in 6 months, but the odds seem right on a flopped flush draw, if a bit thin. He's writing it like it was a total donkey call... it may have been a donkey move to get into that spot but the expressed odds seem justifiable to me. Is my math no good before 6PM?

The pot odds seem right, but given the dude's expressed tell in the article why would you call? There is nothing in the article to lead one to believe that the AA dude used his heavy breathing as bluff. It was his tell, the AQ dude knew it, saw it and called anyway.

Poker is more than just math.

Zagloba: EviLincoln: Playing cards is booooooooooooooooooooooooring.

My wife can talk me into Euchre maybe 3 times a year.

Tedious stuff.

I see your problem.

See, Spades is my kinda game. Spades is bridge, for people who are too dumb to actually play bridge.

Euchre is spades for people too dumb to actually play spades.

we'll go 10 for 2 and come winnar....

Obama's Left Nut: The pot odds seem right, but given the dude's expressed tell in the article why would you call? There is nothing in the article to lead one to believe that the AA dude used his heavy breathing as bluff. It was his tell, the AQ dude knew it, saw it and called anyway.

Poker is more than just math.

If I know what he holds, poker is only math. In this case, AQ only had two previous opportunities to do anything differently. Lay it down PF, and after the 150 bet. Neither of his moves were particularly crazy there although, as you say, if he had a solid read that the guy was QQ or better probably it would have been smarter to lay it down. But at the point where you know you have a four flush and he has QQ or better, and opponent is all in, your decision is only based on math. If he played his cards face up, and you're getting correct odds, you should call... right? The story is written all about that call, which in the situation he lays out, isn't the donkey call that people seem to react to, unless I'm missing something huge.

He's a 4.1:1 dog after the flop, and he's got to put $600 into a pot that holds $1400. So pot odds are about 2.3:1. No implied odds as the heavy breathing guy is all in. It's a really bad call, one which is made quite frequently.

Resonant: $1000 is half a month's rent???

I knew housing prices were high there, but not THAT high.

Where do you live? North Dakota?

Cards? they are just used to get me drunk.

Really well written article.

Kept me in to the end.

I play a lot of poker - badly

nopokerface: He's a 4.1:1 dog after the flop, and he's got to put $600 into a pot that holds $1400. So pot odds are about 2.3:1. No implied odds as the heavy breathing guy is all in. It's a really bad call, one which is made quite frequently.

How is he a 4.1:1 dog, say there were 8 players in the hand, that means 32 cards remaining out of the flop with 8 outs, there is a 25% chance he'll hit it on the turn and a slightly better chance on the river. That seems to me less than a 4.1:1 dog.

maybe its just me, but two grand to live anywhere that isnt really kickass seems like a big waste of money

lilplatinum: How is he a 4.1:1 dog, say there were 8 players in the hand, that means 32 cards remaining out of the flop with 8 outs, there is a 25% chance he'll hit it on the turn and a slightly better chance on the river. That seems to me less than a 4.1:1 dog.

47 unknown cards, 9 of which are winners. His chances don't improve after he misses the turn, they get worse.

A-Q suited is a shiatty shiatty hand. Looks good, but loses all the time. I can't even count the number of times I've seen people play A-Q suited really hard and wind up losing. I think that is also the number one hand that people go out on in tournaments. The guy made the obviously wrong call and he paid for it. He even knew the other guy had a good hand. Don't feel bad for this guy at all.

Nevermind, I'm a retard.

letapecul: maybe its just me, but two grand to live anywhere that isnt really kickass seems like a big waste of money

Jobs there generally pay more, plus NYC is pretty kickass.

That being said, still a great article.

nopokerface: lilplatinum: How is he a 4.1:1 dog, say there were 8 players in the hand, that means 32 cards remaining out of the flop with 8 outs, there is a 25% chance he'll hit it on the turn and a slightly better chance on the river. That seems to me less than a 4.1:1 dog.

47 unknown cards, 9 of which are winners. His chances don't improve after he misses the turn, they get worse.

Yeah I farked that up when I typed it, but doesn't having 2 shots at making your draw change your odds?

lilplatinum: Yeah I farked that up when I typed it, but doesn't having 2 shots at making your draw change your odds?

His chances are better for having called with 2 cards to come. But, they are still shiat. And with 2 cards to come, his opponent has a chance to fill up as well.

sideshwtodd A-Q suited is a shiatty shiatty hand. Looks good, but loses all the time. I can't even count the number of times I've seen people play A-Q suited really hard and wind up losing. I think that is also the number one hand that people go out on in tournaments. The guy made the obviously wrong call and he paid for it. He even knew the other guy had a good hand. Don't feel bad for this guy at all.

Doyle Brunson agrees. He shouldn't have even seen the flop with that crap.

Article doesn't mention position, etc, blah blah blah, but pot odds aside he was still pushing too many chips in on a draw.

I'm not sure if everyone won't want him playing at their games anymore or if they'll want him there even more. Of course, if he could be trying to broadcast to everyone what a donk he is to get more bad calls in his favor.

What are the real odds of hitting an 8 outer if you are all in on the flop? I fail at math.

lilplatinum: What are the real odds of hitting an 8 outer if you are all in on the flop? I fail at math.

Rule of thumb (as I know it) is that you multiply your outs by 4 after the flop and by 2 after the turn.

8 outs = 32% chance after the flop, 16% after the turn.

YES, I KNOW THIS IS NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE. But, from everything I've read, it's definitely close enough to let you get a good handle on your pot odds in a couple of seconds.

That was a good article.

EviLincoln: Playing cards is booooooooooooooooooooooooring.

My wife can talk me into Euchre maybe 3 times a year.

Tedious stuff.

If you consider Euchre tedious, you're doing it wrong.

My brother and I take on our parents all the time. We average about 8 minutes to play a single game, and can easily play 10 games in 2 hours. Nothing but lone hands, euchres, and trash talk. I love to get my old man so worked up that he'll take 4 trump alone and get bushwhacked. And then the next hand, he'll make left-ace take all the tricks for 2.

Desult: PF: 5/10, AA raises to 50, AQ calls 50, Pot: 115
F: AA bets 150, AQ raises to 400, AA raises to 1000, Pot: 1515

1515, 600 to call... that's 2.5:1, so isn't the call correct on 8 outs twice (shading down for the flopped set potential)? I haven't played in 6 months, but the odds seem right on a flopped flush draw, if a bit thin. He's writing it like it was a total donkey call... it may have been a donkey move to get into that spot but the expressed odds seem justifiable to me. Is my math no good before 6PM?

nopokerface: lilplatinum: How is he a 4.1:1 dog, say there were 8 players in the hand, that means 32 cards remaining out of the flop with 8 outs, there is a 25% chance he'll hit it on the turn and a slightly better chance on the river. That seems to me less than a 4.1:1 dog.

47 unknown cards, 9 of which are winners. His chances don't improve after he misses the turn, they get worse.

wrong... in this faceup situation AA vs AQs with a flush draw he's 37% after calling all-in on the flop.
folding here is the equivilant of equivilant of flushing money down toilet
generally on the flop you can call any allin potsized bet (getting 2-1) with any 8+ out draw (unless your up against bigger draw)
even if the pot was 1500 and he had to call 1500 more he has pot odds

An easy way to calculate poker odds... (Numbers not exact but close enough and easy to remember at the table)

Every card has a 2% chance of getting drawn at one time. If you have 9 outs with one card to go, you have an 18% chance of hitting. With two cards to go, double it to 36%.

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WeedOfTheShire: wrong... in this faceup situation AA vs AQs with a flush draw he's 37% after calling all-in on the flop.
folding here is the equivilant of equivilant of flushing money down toilet
generally on the flop you can call any allin potsized bet (getting 2-1) with any 8+ out draw (unless your up against bigger draw)
even if the pot was 1500 and he had to call 1500 more he has pot odds

I run a little home game, are you interested in playing?

Know who else enjoyed a hot poker in his hand??

WeedOfTheShire: even if the pot was 1500 and he had to call 1500 more he has pot odds

He's a 2:1 underdog after the flop. You'll lose lots of money chasing 1:1 pot odds with a 1:2 hand.

Does not approve.

Madman drummers bummers: Does not approve.

I can't believe you folded those kings!