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Drew talks about SXSW, Facebook's redesign and Fark's lack of "Twitter initiatives". Bonus: headlines of the week for last week hidden at the bottom 
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I was at South by Southwest (SXSW) last week in Austin. Everybody at SXSW loves the Twitter. I was asked what Fark's Twitter initiatives were. Truth to tell we haven't really fleshed that one out yet. Part of the reason is that Twitter is built to push messages out to your followers, the same way we put my blog posts to the main page of Fark (or for that matter anything else on the main page of Fark). But the other part of the reason is we just don't have the resources to be early adopters. For example, this Facebook Connect thing seems like it might be an okay idea, but it's too early to tell. We'll let other people figure it out. As Internet rabblerouser Joe Peacock already noted, until someone actually does work out a strategy, the concept of "Twitter initiatives" is doomed to become another one of those corporate buzzword things that eventually becomes a mockery of itself.


Speaking of Twitter initiatives, Facebook did a major redesign recently and the thing looks like Twitter now. Far be it from me to criticize other people's site redesigns (my official stance with any redesign is "you'll get over it"), but it seems strange to me that a site with 175 million users is so scared of a site with 6 million that it destroys what made Facebook unique to become an imperfect copy of Twitter.


Twitter content is actively updated. You say to yourself "I haven't told everyone what kind of cream cheese I ate on my bagel today", and you update your Twitter status so everyone knows. Facebook content on the other hand is secondary activity created when you try to do something like look up old friends, contact people, friend them, confirm party attendance, zombie bite them, whatever (with the exception of status updates, but that's only one piece of the functionality). Facebook content for the most part consists of secondary information about what you're doing on Facebook. Its the ripples in the pool as you move around. Twitter content IS what you're doing. Twitter is the actual swimming - you have to take the strokes. This distinction is important because intentional content creation has to be sustained. Secondary content creation is a side affect and just happens.


You may have noticed that the vast majority of people don't have anything interesting to say. They may eventually get Twitter accounts and they may update but the content sucks and no one cares. Far more people are going to be doing what they're doing on Facebook for far longer -- assuming (and this is the important bit) that Facebook doesn't fark up and forget what the hell people were on Facebook to do in the first place... Whoops, too late.


I don't think Facebook is in any danger from Twitter in the first place. It's probably not a bad thing that they're not resting on their successes, because something at some point is absolutely going to knock Facebook out of their number-one-hangout-spot-on-the-Internet slot. It seems to happen on a five year cycle. Before Facebook it was Myspace, before that it was AOL, Compuserve, Usenet, etc. If someone told you ten years ago that, not only would AOL NOT be the top hangout spot on the Internet but that it would have faded into relative obscurity, you wouldn't have believed it. I don't know what's coming after Facebook, but something inevitably will. However, it's not going to be Twitter. Unless Facebook inadvertently hands the crown to Twitter.


In short, always bet on people being lazy. Eventually, people will be too lazy to continue to update 140 word statuses over a period of years. Yes it's unimaginable right now, but AOL thought the same thing at one point.

Headlines Of The Week for Sun 2009-03-15 to Sat 2009-03-21:

img1.fark.net  Liberians granted temporary protection in the US may be sent back to their country, threaten to take Dewey Decimal System with them    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Senate committee exploring 90% special tax for AIG bonus recipients, to be filed using form 1040FU    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  First two octuplets come home. If Nadya beats this level, she can unlock up to six more characters    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  "Blind kids on the brink of being shown the door." Well, maybe not "shown", exactly    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Woman falls through ice on Walden Pond. She was rescued after a Thoreau search    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  "Plane wreckage found, pilot killed." Man, why'd they kill him when they found the wreckage    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Music teacher jailed for playing in A Minor    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Woman goes in for tummy tuck. Doctors accidentally give facelift. She's furious, but she can't stop smiling    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Funeral home owner arrives at work 9:30 a.m. to find hearse stolen. Thief likely an early mourning person    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Mental hospital escapee policy changes after nut bolted    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  You flip 16 tons, what do you get, 5000 evacuated and one hell of a mess. Rt. 33 is closed so you can't go, guess he won't swerve to miss deer no more    img.fark.net


Sports:

img1.fark.net  The Big Unit is temporarily out of action because of sore bicep. What Farker can't empathize with that?    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Lions players no longer allowed to talk to media. Would use public relations website, but can't string three Ws together for the URL    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Astros' Aaron Boone to have open heart surgery. Procedure said to be similar to when he tore the hearts out of Boston in 2003    img.fark.net


Geek:

img1.fark.net  Neurobiology research finds that consciousness arises from the coordinated interplay between all portions of the brain. Descartes seen tugging his collar, looking around nervously    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Nearly 13% of people in longer relationships can still find the romance. 50% can find a lawyer. And 37% long for the relief that death brings    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Scientists claim that all jokes fit into eight categories, amongst which are "qualification", "completion", "division" and "stolen from a Fark headline of three years ago"  


Showbiz:

img1.fark.net  Jenna Jameson gave birth to twin boys on Monday after an unexpected sneeze    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  "Twilight" DVD release reminiscent of "Harry Potter" releases: record crowds of virgins gather around Blockbuster dressed in capes    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Tired of her blowing away all the time, Harrison Ford puts large metal ring on Calista Flockhart    img.fark.net


Politics:

img1.fark.net  Michelle Obama to plant an organic vegetable garden on South grounds of the White House, also installing giant Keith Olbermann scarecrow to keep Republicans out of their arugula    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  The Special Olympics wants President Obama to consider hiring one of their athletes to work in the White House. Submitter has somebody in mind, he's a professional brush-clearer from Texas who knows the White House well    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Washington State legislature passes bill to make graduation easier. Math test requirements no longer required. Ability to calculate monthly earnings at minimum wage optional    img.fark.net


Music:

img1.fark.net  Rapper 'King Tut' commits suicide. He could'a won a Grammy, will be buried in his jammies    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Simon and Garfunkel reuniting for "Bridge Over Troubled Finances" tour    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Family of LeAnn Rimes' husband confirms that he's gayer than an Oscar party at Elton John's house    img.fark.net


Business:

img1.fark.net  Britain sees first drop in airline passengers since Lockerbie    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Congress to AIG: Who taught you how to do this stuff? AIG: YOU, ALRIGHT? I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Britain hopes to create 13,000 jobs by introducing U.S.-style yellow schoolbuses to replace the oxcarts or whatever the hell they currently use    img.fark.net
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2009-03-23 03:46:52 PM  
My stratgey for Twitter is to ignore it completely until it goes away.

So far it's working great.
 
2009-03-23 03:49:27 PM  
jaerik: Walled gardens are bad things because people in different gardens can't hear each other. But the answer is not to dump everyone in the same garden, and give them all progressively bigger and bigger megaphones until they can all be heard.

The nice thing about facebook (at least for now) is that you can only hear your friend's megaphones, and even then, you can filter out certain friends you don't care to listen to.
 
2009-03-23 03:51:39 PM  
Hey Fark!

just twittering in to let you know I put a pot of coffee on at the office.

Peanut butter sandwich again for lunch.

I'll twitter back in later!

Like you farking care.

DS
 
2009-03-23 03:52:59 PM  
The Leann Rimes headline made me chuckle. Nice work, whoeverthehellyouare-mitter.
 
2009-03-23 03:55:14 PM  
DREW: You may have noticed that the vast majority of people don't have anything interesting to say.

THIS!!
On, man, oh gosh, oh everything...this!
 
2009-03-23 03:55:55 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: I have Twitter, but I don't update it unless I actually have something to say.

"still unemployed", "car's still broken", and things like that are very dull, and you can only say that so many times before it gets old.


Same here. It has to be something that at least seems important or I don't bother. I also only follow others who have interesting things to say as well. No lame shaite! I follow Fark and Drew btw. That's how I ended up on this page today.

On a side note: have a friend that has a business based on networking like minded people together and has dropped his twitter onto his Myspace page. So far it is working out quite well.
 
2009-03-23 03:56:35 PM  
uprislng: Facebook used to be just fine for what you are describing, but these social networking sites get too big for their own good it seems. It was fine before they started adding those stupid 3rd party apps, it has gone downhill since then. It is more of a chore to keep up with it anymore. I have better things to do with my time than to constantly inform other people that I have better things to do with my time.

I just checked FB and all of a sudden I don't see a single quiz or "so and so gave so and so a PEEP" on the whole thing. The right-hand column is just photo albums and notes.

Could they have fixed it so soon? Glitter be damned, maybe they thought this through after all. I guess we'll see.
 
2009-03-23 03:58:11 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: My stratgey for Twitter is to ignore it completely until it goes away.

So far it's working great.


Same here, except I do admittedly enjoy complaining about it/making fun of it.

Klippoklondike: The main reason i have a facebook account is because people I don't know can't talk to me if I don't want them to. I can keep in touch with friends who live far away and not be worried about spam and whatnot. I've never used or seen twitter so I can't compare the two but from what I hear it's not something I would be into.

/still probably getting rid of my facebook account soon
//social networking sites just aren't for me
///prefers the phone/letters/face to face


I agree. Maybe I'm just not that social of a person, but I don't care about constantly posting on sites like that. I will admit that Facebook has some advantages: it's a great "contact directory", where you can easily find everyone you've ever known, and it's an easy-to-use "homepage" for people to post stuff like their pictures and social announcements. But Twitter, in my mind, just takes the stupidest, most-pointless, most mindless, and most narcissistic aspects of Facebook and literally throws away everything else. The constant "status updates" are the stupidest thing that people use Facebook for, and Twitter just glorifies and elevates that very thing.

//If a thought can fit in 140 characters, it's probably not worth saying 99% of the time. And even if it is, it's probably harmed by divorcing it from its larger context.
//I think I know why Republicans and the news-media seem to be gaga over Twitter: it's the perfect mechanism for distributing brainless short talking points to other brainless idiots.
 
2009-03-23 04:01:51 PM  
Which cockslap pasted the entire article here in the comments?

/I'll get my coat..
 
2009-03-23 04:08:31 PM  
Am I the only one that gets annoyed by twitter-like status messages on Facebook, and Facebook-like status messages in Google Chat? Gchat status messages should never start with a verb. Facebook status messages should not be updated every five minutes. Twitter is dumb and its users should be shunned. I have spoken.
 
2009-03-23 04:11:34 PM  
BHShaman: People who biatch about twitters are like people who biatch about topless coffee shops.

That there aren't enough of them?
 
2009-03-23 04:14:54 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: Am I the only one that gets annoyed by twitter-like status messages on Facebook, and Facebook-like status messages in Google Chat? Gchat status messages should never start with a verb. Facebook status messages should not be updated every five minutes. Twitter is dumb and its users should be shunned. I have spoken.

You're not the only one. There is a lot of negativity about Twitter and similar things on Facebook, etc, out there. I've actually been quite interested in observing how backlash against social networking seems to be building further and further as it becomes more "extreme" and invasive/narcissistic. People complained about Myspace, etc (at least I did), but with Twitter it seems to have finally reached a low point where a lot of people are sick of it and actively annoyed by it. I think that people are separating into a group that LUVS stuff like Facebook and Twitter (I suspect these are many of the same people who talk on their cellphones while checking out at the grocery and send 10,000 text messages a month) and a group that desires a bit more privacy and a bit less connectedness, and use these services accordingly for limited purposes.
 
2009-03-23 04:15:41 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: Am I the only one that gets annoyed by twitter-like status messages on Facebook, and Facebook-like status messages in Google Chat? Gchat status messages should never start with a verb. Facebook status messages should not be updated every five minutes. Twitter is dumb and its users should be shunned. I have spoken.

I'll make sure I let Will Wheaton know that the next time I drop him a tweet.

/Following Will.
//Straight to hell, I'm guessing.
 
2009-03-23 04:17:08 PM  
Sir Ulrich von Lichtenstein of Gelderland: I'll make sure I let Will Wheaton know that the next time I drop him a tweet.

What's your point?
 
2009-03-23 04:32:54 PM  
Congress to AIG: Who taught you how to do this stuff? AIG: YOU, ALRIGHT? I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU

This is probably one of the most brilliant headlines I've ever seen simply for the fact that it's likely the epitome of "it's funny because it's true."

Sheer statistics tell me it's a 40Below headline, but my gut tells me since he's Canadian and that it's an American anti-drug PSA, it might've been an outlier by someone with less than 10 approved links.
 
2009-03-23 04:33:49 PM  
The only 'twitterizing' I could see for Fark would involve the (voluntary) non-anonymization of greenlit submissions. You could then choose to 'follow' that submitter.
 
2009-03-23 04:34:47 PM  
DONT CHANGE A farkING THING.


It works god damn well as-is.

Web 2.0 isn't always a good direction...
 
2009-03-23 04:36:32 PM  
Jclark666: The only 'twitterizing' I could see for Fark would involve the (voluntary) non-anonymization of greenlit submissions. You could then choose to 'follow' that submitter.

I would like to see this feature regardless of whether Twitter is involved.
 
2009-03-23 04:48:20 PM  
Penis.
 
2009-03-23 04:49:40 PM  
My close friends are all on Facebook, and we are all 30-something years old with busy lives. None of us text message or talk on the phone much. Facebook has encouraged us to get together in real life more often, and a few old friends have comeback into the fold. It is easy to put an update saying "I'm going golfing this weekend, reply if you want to go.") On the other hand, we've even used the events feature to do RSVPs, such as dinners. We enjoy seeing photos of events each of us have attended (or missed), as well as each family photos. There is a middle ground between raging against facebook and doing a status update every 5 minutes.
 
2009-03-23 04:52:25 PM  
Facebook seems to be forgetting what made them better than MySpace. They has a simple and consistant UI that let you easily locate and keep up with friends whom you might otherwise not talk to regularly. It functioned as a nice clean online address book/photo album without subjecting you to your friends terrible taste in music and web design.

I want to know when my friends get married or see their pics from their florida trip. I don't care what just stepped in.
 
2009-03-23 04:54:27 PM  
punkrockgirl: Fark's current "Twitter initiative" mostly consists of pointing out particularly funny comments and/or headlines. And harassing Joe the Peacock.

http://twitter.com/fark

We also have separate feeds for main and all the tabbed pages, which twitter (twatter?) all of the headlines.

http://twitter.com/farkmain
http://twitter.com/farkpolitics
http://twitter.com/farkmusic
http://twitter.com/farkvideo
http://twitter.com/farkbiz
http://twitter.com/farkshow
http://twitter.com/farksport
http://twitter.com/farkgeek


oh snap, I didn't know about these. Thank ya ma'am! :)
 
2009-03-23 04:57:16 PM  
Didn't get invited to a SXSW panel this year. Might have something to do with the website I work for switching service providers. Last one hosted a panel there.

Hate the Facebook changes.

Have found no use for Twitter.
 
2009-03-23 05:00:05 PM  
I just bailed on FB for this very reason. I would check my page and see 25 farking "updates" related to someone I barely know taking random movie / pop culture quizzes.

Absolute shiate.
 
2009-03-23 05:13:40 PM  
TheKnownUniverse: Am I the only one that gets annoyed by twitter-like status messages on Facebook, and Facebook-like status messages in Google Chat? Gchat status messages should never start with a verb. Facebook status messages should not be updated every five minutes. Twitter is dumb and its users should be shunned. I have spoken.

SO SHALL IT BE DONE
 
2009-03-23 05:19:21 PM  
Hender: I don't really care about any sort of "Twitter initiative" from Fark, but I beg you for all that is holy on the Internets to have someone write a Fark.com iPhone app.

THIS!
 
2009-03-23 05:25:57 PM  
Jclark666: The only 'twitterizing' I could see for Fark would involve the (voluntary) non-anonymization of greenlit submissions. You could then choose to 'follow' that submitter.

Non-anonymous submissions? That's not ever going to happen.
 
2009-03-23 05:25:58 PM  
I'm 23 and a software developer. I don't get Twitter either. I made an account at the request of a friend, posted like 4 times and forgot about it. I'm lazy, and 140 characters is too limiting. I'd rather just post to a full-fledged blog if I have something to say (which is easy to do from a phone if I need to) and not limiting in any of the ways Twitter is.

I also dislike what Facebook has become. I got in on it while in college, when Facebook was simple (and exclusive to college students). I keep my account because I like to provide a way for people to grab my contact info, but I heavily restrict who sees that. Facebook is mostly about chatter now, and has lost it's purpose of connecting people in lieu of trying to entertain.

/will make a good grumpy old man.
 
2009-03-23 05:31:18 PM  
burrgrinder: I'm 23 and a software developer. I don't get Twitter either. I made an account at the request of a friend, posted like 4 times and forgot about it. I'm lazy, and 140 characters is too limiting. I'd rather just post to a full-fledged blog if I have something to say (which is easy to do from a phone if I need to) and not limiting in any of the ways Twitter is.

I also dislike what Facebook has become. I got in on it while in college, when Facebook was simple (and exclusive to college students). I keep my account because I like to provide a way for people to grab my contact info, but I heavily restrict who sees that. Facebook is mostly about chatter now, and has lost it's purpose of connecting people in lieu of trying to entertain.

/will make a good grumpy old man.


I agree with all this. Like I said, I think that the main appeal of Twitter is for people who think sending 10,000 text messages a month makes sense. I'm not one of those people.
 
2009-03-23 05:34:12 PM  
Why in fark is it so goddam hard to change my farking status on facebook now? By the time I found it I forgot why I wanted to change it.
 
2009-03-23 05:41:08 PM  
rcain: I think this site is shamefully biased against twatting.
While farking is all fine and good, I see no reason why we should not be able to put some up the tweet-hole.

/We could call it a fark-twit


Try it with a silent "t"

/fark-wit i.e. someone whose wits have been farked
//Common Aussie insult to someone that you don't want to hear from. e.g. shut up fark-wit
 
2009-03-23 05:42:39 PM  
teenuc: rcain: I think this site is shamefully biased against twatting.
While farking is all fine and good, I see no reason why we should not be able to put some up the tweet-hole.

/We could call it a fark-twit

Try it with a silent "t"

/fark-wit i.e. someone whose wits have been farked
//Common Aussie insult to someone that you don't want to hear from. e.g. shut up fark-wit


Thank you, that was the joke.
 
2009-03-23 05:46:47 PM  
Mnemia

//If a thought can fit in 140 characters, it's probably not worth saying 99% of the time. And even if it is, it's probably harmed by divorcing it from its larger context.

and,
Like I said, I think that the main appeal of Twitter is for people who think sending 10,000 text messages a month makes sense. I'm not one of those people.


The irony of posting your brain droppings on Fark eludes you.
 
2009-03-23 05:49:40 PM  
Egon Spengler: The irony of posting your brain droppings on Fark eludes you.

Fark doesn't have a 140 character limit. And each post here is tied to a particular topic, instead of being just a random thought.
 
2009-03-23 05:51:37 PM  
Unfreakable: Thor

HOLY CRAP MY HEADLINE WAS ON THE KEITH OLBERMANN SHOW
 
2009-03-23 05:52:12 PM  
This Is Bold Text: Unfreakable: Thor

HOLY CRAP MY HEADLINE WAS ON THE KEITH OLBERMANN SHOW


Whoops, misquote
 
2009-03-23 05:53:26 PM  
I don't want "followers" they're all Twits.
 
2009-03-23 06:13:26 PM  
Twitter sucks balls, and the company that sunk $250 million into it are complete retards. If Facebook cannot monetize, Twitter sure as shiat won't.
 
2009-03-23 06:20:08 PM  
Mnemia: You're not the only one. There is a lot of negativity about Twitter and similar things on Facebook, etc, out there. I've actually been quite interested in observing how backlash against social networking seems to be building further and further as it becomes more "extreme" and invasive/narcissistic. People complained about Myspace, etc (at least I did), but with Twitter it seems to have finally reached a low point where a lot of people are sick of it and actively annoyed by it. I think that people are separating into a group that LUVS stuff like Facebook and Twitter (I suspect these are many of the same people who talk on their cellphones while checking out at the grocery and send 10,000 text messages a month) and a group that desires a bit more privacy and a bit less connectedness, and use these services accordingly for limited purposes.

It's funny, I was and am not at all impressed by Facebook and yet heve recently embraced Twitter. I see it more as analogous to a Fark RSS feed that can go both ways than a regular social networking thing like FB and MySpace. With Twitter you have more access to quality sources (you don't have to follow the kid you hated and barely knew in grade 10 that just friend requested you on FB) and your level of use is way more elective. You don't get intrusive requests all the time to add "applications" 'n shiat.
Also Twitter is for less of a privacy liability than FB since the form of the content is strictly limited. People don't post and tag pics in their profiles and instead just share links and thoughts about interesting shiat (though that depends on the quality of those you choose to follow).
 
2009-03-23 06:21:56 PM  
When Drew speaks of the "successes" of Facebook, I can't help but wonder what those would be. Successful as a bottomless money pit for investors? Useful tool for stalkers, cops and intelligence agencies (same difference)? An efficient means by which to gather together and catalog the world's shallow narcissists?
 
2009-03-23 06:30:03 PM  
since i graduated college, and because of the growing popularity of stupid ass chain quizzes, i generally avoid facebook. the quizzes piss me off, and i have less need for facebook's original purpose: e-stalking hot freshmen i run into (and then not having the balls to make a move on them once i know everything about them that they post online about themselves.)
 
2009-03-23 06:50:01 PM  
Thorndyke Barnhard:

It's funny, I was and am not at all impressed by Facebook and yet heve recently embraced Twitter. I see it more as analogous to a Fark RSS feed that can go both ways than a regular social networking thing like FB and MySpace. With Twitter you have more access to quality sources (you don't have to follow the kid you hated and barely knew in grade 10 that just friend requested you on FB) and your level of use is way more elective. You don't get intrusive requests all the time to add "applications" 'n shiat.
Also Twitter is for less of a privacy liability than FB since the form of the content is strictly limited. People don't post and tag pics in their profiles and instead just share links and thoughts about interesting shiat (though that depends on the quality of those you choose to follow).

You could always only accept actual friends as friends.
 
2009-03-23 07:08:27 PM  
I totally saw Drew at SXSW! I was enjoying the local brew(Hey, Shiner is still in Texas!) and then I caught a glance and I'm all like "WTF?! someone from the Internets?!" and my friends were all "What are you talking about?"

Then I got kicked out of the club because I punched some guy in the face(He grabbed the Mrs. bewbs...You don't touch them on pain of death!).

All in all, good SXSW
 
2009-03-23 07:23:49 PM  
bmxpuck: fark iphone app asap, plz.

It doesn't need an app, fark is a CSS-based design so all it needs is a new stylesheet designed for iphones.

Anyway did you not see the new fark iphone icon? One step at a time!
 
2009-03-23 07:25:13 PM  
Glendale: You could always only accept actual friends as friends.

I just mentionned that because I've had several people make the argument that FB is good for finding people you used to be acquainted with but who you've grown appart from.

The new FB relationships this breeds seem inherently inauthentic and superficial to me.

Twitter doesn't pretend to be about serious personal relationships at least I don't see it as being inherently so.
 
2009-03-23 07:26:37 PM  
Whoops - my apologies, I was wrong, it's not a css based design.
 
2009-03-23 08:16:51 PM  
I like Drew.
 
2009-03-23 08:53:55 PM  
wa1.images.onesite.com
What hypocrisy may look like.




I can appreciate that people on the left have philosophical populist ideas that I disagree with. That's fine. It's just that when legislators raise income and capital gains taxes I simply expect them to pay those taxes themselves. Otherwise it pretty much looks like they assume the American public are suckers. And that infuriates me (even though it is probably true).
 
2009-03-23 08:56:04 PM  
amazing_live_seamonkeys: What hypocrisy may look like.

I can appreciate that people on the left have philosophical populist ideas that I disagree with. That's fine. It's just that when legislators raise income and capital gains taxes I simply expect them to pay those taxes themselves. Otherwise it pretty much looks like they assume the American public are suckers. And that infuriates me (even though it is probably true).



I would like a Fark application that allows idiots like myself to delete posts when we are too stupid to post in the correct thread.

*smacks forehead*
 
2009-03-23 08:58:57 PM  
amazing_live_seamonkeys: What hypocrisy may look like.

I can appreciate that people on the left have philosophical populist ideas that I disagree with. That's fine. It's just that when legislators raise income and capital gains taxes I simply expect them to pay those taxes themselves. Otherwise it pretty much looks like they assume the American public are suckers. And that infuriates me (even though it is probably true).


www.newtotown.ie

What the hell does this thread have to do with a picture of the west of Ireland, tax and liberals?
 
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