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Drew talks about SXSW, Facebook's redesign and Fark's lack of "Twitter initiatives". Bonus: headlines of the week for last week hidden at the bottom 
Posted by Drew at 2009-03-23 1:45:27 PM (104 comments) | Permalink
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I was at South by Southwest (SXSW) last week in Austin. Everybody at SXSW loves the Twitter. I was asked what Fark's Twitter initiatives were. Truth to tell we haven't really fleshed that one out yet. Part of the reason is that Twitter is built to push messages out to your followers, the same way we put my blog posts to the main page of Fark (or for that matter anything else on the main page of Fark). But the other part of the reason is we just don't have the resources to be early adopters. For example, this Facebook Connect thing seems like it might be an okay idea, but it's too early to tell. We'll let other people figure it out. As Internet rabblerouser Joe Peacock already noted, until someone actually does work out a strategy, the concept of "Twitter initiatives" is doomed to become another one of those corporate buzzword things that eventually becomes a mockery of itself.


Speaking of Twitter initiatives, Facebook did a major redesign recently and the thing looks like Twitter now. Far be it from me to criticize other people's site redesigns (my official stance with any redesign is "you'll get over it"), but it seems strange to me that a site with 175 million users is so scared of a site with 6 million that it destroys what made Facebook unique to become an imperfect copy of Twitter.


Twitter content is actively updated. You say to yourself "I haven't told everyone what kind of cream cheese I ate on my bagel today", and you update your Twitter status so everyone knows. Facebook content on the other hand is secondary activity created when you try to do something like look up old friends, contact people, friend them, confirm party attendance, zombie bite them, whatever (with the exception of status updates, but that's only one piece of the functionality). Facebook content for the most part consists of secondary information about what you're doing on Facebook. Its the ripples in the pool as you move around. Twitter content IS what you're doing. Twitter is the actual swimming - you have to take the strokes. This distinction is important because intentional content creation has to be sustained. Secondary content creation is a side affect and just happens.


You may have noticed that the vast majority of people don't have anything interesting to say. They may eventually get Twitter accounts and they may update but the content sucks and no one cares. Far more people are going to be doing what they're doing on Facebook for far longer -- assuming (and this is the important bit) that Facebook doesn't fark up and forget what the hell people were on Facebook to do in the first place... Whoops, too late.


I don't think Facebook is in any danger from Twitter in the first place. It's probably not a bad thing that they're not resting on their successes, because something at some point is absolutely going to knock Facebook out of their number-one-hangout-spot-on-the-Internet slot. It seems to happen on a five year cycle. Before Facebook it was Myspace, before that it was AOL, Compuserve, Usenet, etc. If someone told you ten years ago that, not only would AOL NOT be the top hangout spot on the Internet but that it would have faded into relative obscurity, you wouldn't have believed it. I don't know what's coming after Facebook, but something inevitably will. However, it's not going to be Twitter. Unless Facebook inadvertently hands the crown to Twitter.


In short, always bet on people being lazy. Eventually, people will be too lazy to continue to update 140 word statuses over a period of years. Yes it's unimaginable right now, but AOL thought the same thing at one point.

Headlines Of The Week for Sun 2009-03-15 to Sat 2009-03-21:

img1.fark.net  Liberians granted temporary protection in the US may be sent back to their country, threaten to take Dewey Decimal System with them    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Senate committee exploring 90% special tax for AIG bonus recipients, to be filed using form 1040FU    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  First two octuplets come home. If Nadya beats this level, she can unlock up to six more characters    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  "Blind kids on the brink of being shown the door." Well, maybe not "shown", exactly    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Woman falls through ice on Walden Pond. She was rescued after a Thoreau search    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  "Plane wreckage found, pilot killed." Man, why'd they kill him when they found the wreckage    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Music teacher jailed for playing in A Minor    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Woman goes in for tummy tuck. Doctors accidentally give facelift. She's furious, but she can't stop smiling    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Funeral home owner arrives at work 9:30 a.m. to find hearse stolen. Thief likely an early mourning person    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Mental hospital escapee policy changes after nut bolted    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  You flip 16 tons, what do you get, 5000 evacuated and one hell of a mess. Rt. 33 is closed so you can't go, guess he won't swerve to miss deer no more    img.fark.net


Sports:

img1.fark.net  The Big Unit is temporarily out of action because of sore bicep. What Farker can't empathize with that?    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Lions players no longer allowed to talk to media. Would use public relations website, but can't string three Ws together for the URL    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Astros' Aaron Boone to have open heart surgery. Procedure said to be similar to when he tore the hearts out of Boston in 2003    img.fark.net


Geek:

img1.fark.net  Neurobiology research finds that consciousness arises from the coordinated interplay between all portions of the brain. Descartes seen tugging his collar, looking around nervously    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Nearly 13% of people in longer relationships can still find the romance. 50% can find a lawyer. And 37% long for the relief that death brings    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Scientists claim that all jokes fit into eight categories, amongst which are "qualification", "completion", "division" and "stolen from a Fark headline of three years ago"  


Showbiz:

img1.fark.net  Jenna Jameson gave birth to twin boys on Monday after an unexpected sneeze    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  "Twilight" DVD release reminiscent of "Harry Potter" releases: record crowds of virgins gather around Blockbuster dressed in capes    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Tired of her blowing away all the time, Harrison Ford puts large metal ring on Calista Flockhart    img.fark.net


Politics:

img1.fark.net  Michelle Obama to plant an organic vegetable garden on South grounds of the White House, also installing giant Keith Olbermann scarecrow to keep Republicans out of their arugula    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  The Special Olympics wants President Obama to consider hiring one of their athletes to work in the White House. Submitter has somebody in mind, he's a professional brush-clearer from Texas who knows the White House well    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Washington State legislature passes bill to make graduation easier. Math test requirements no longer required. Ability to calculate monthly earnings at minimum wage optional    img.fark.net


Music:

img1.fark.net  Rapper 'King Tut' commits suicide. He could'a won a Grammy, will be buried in his jammies    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Simon and Garfunkel reuniting for "Bridge Over Troubled Finances" tour    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Family of LeAnn Rimes' husband confirms that he's gayer than an Oscar party at Elton John's house    img.fark.net


Business:

img1.fark.net  Britain sees first drop in airline passengers since Lockerbie    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Congress to AIG: Who taught you how to do this stuff? AIG: YOU, ALRIGHT? I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Britain hopes to create 13,000 jobs by introducing U.S.-style yellow schoolbuses to replace the oxcarts or whatever the hell they currently use    img.fark.net
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2009-03-23 01:53:07 PM  
my headline was better
 
2009-03-23 01:57:18 PM  
I guess no one likes a good Golden Girls reference.


/good headlines all
 
2009-03-23 01:57:42 PM  
I don't really care about any sort of "Twitter initiative" from Fark, but I beg you for all that is holy on the Internets to have someone write a Fark.com iPhone app.
 
2009-03-23 01:58:50 PM  
My personal favorite headline this week was from Harrison Ford getting engaged: Tired of her blowing away all the time, Harrison Ford puts large metal ring on Calista Flockhart.

Special thanks to Keith Olbermann for including the Walden Pond/Thoreau search" headline on his show. That was pretty awesome. Bonus: Olbermann showed up in another one of our top headlines this week under Politics.
 
2009-03-23 02:10:16 PM  
Fark's current "Twitter initiative" mostly consists of pointing out particularly funny comments and/or headlines. And harassing Joe the Peacock.

http://twitter.com/fark

We also have separate feeds for main and all the tabbed pages, which twitter (twatter?) all of the headlines.

http://twitter.com/farkmain
http://twitter.com/farkpolitics
http://twitter.com/farkmusic
http://twitter.com/farkvideo
http://twitter.com/farkbiz
http://twitter.com/farkshow
http://twitter.com/farksport
http://twitter.com/farkgeek
 
2009-03-23 02:11:31 PM  
I, for one, welcome the shunning of Twattering.
 
2009-03-23 02:28:30 PM  
Drew talks about mentions SXSW

FTFY
 
2009-03-23 02:29:32 PM  
User-generated content is garbage. I don't understand why sites allow it.
 
2009-03-23 02:33:28 PM  
40below: User-generated content is garbage. I don't understand why sites allow it.

Yeah. It's like letting the homeless come in and rummage through your fridge and liquor cabinet
 
2009-03-23 02:40:11 PM  
albo: 40below: User-generated content is garbage. I don't understand why sites allow it.

Yeah. It's like letting the homeless come in and rummage through your fridge and liquor cabinet


I've said it before, and I'd say it again when Drew finally gets back in the office and turns off that stupid auto-reply thing: The 'Submit Link' button is ruining Fark.

/ when's he supposed to be back anyway? I've been getting that stupid message for two years now
 
2009-03-23 02:50:20 PM  
fark twitter, I'm just waiting for my Fark iPhone app.
 
2009-03-23 02:50:35 PM  
40below: User-generated content is garbage. I don't understand why sites allow it.

You get what you pay for, I guess.
 
2009-03-23 02:52:26 PM  
2:51:22 pm 3/23/2009: Still pooping
 
2009-03-23 02:54:02 PM  
Bonus: headlines of the week for last week hidden at the bottom.

As well they should be. Those suck (besides the unlocked octuplets - that was nice).
 
2009-03-23 02:54:04 PM  
I have nothing to update about my status here.
 
2009-03-23 02:54:11 PM  
Either I'm missing something or the new facebook is really farking annoying.
 
2009-03-23 02:54:26 PM  
40below: User-generated content is garbage. I don't understand why sites allow it.

It's the internet's reality TV. Why pay talented people to create things for you when the unwashed masses will do it themselves?
 
2009-03-23 02:55:09 PM  
Is this where I come to beg for a sponsorship?
 
2009-03-23 02:56:28 PM  
MugzyBrown: Either I'm missing something or the new facebook is really farking annoying.

You'll get over it.
 
2009-03-23 02:56:39 PM  
lots of chuckles this week
 
2009-03-23 02:57:06 PM  
MugzyBrown: Either I'm missing something or the new facebook is really farking annoying.

Peeps, man. Peeps are the beginning of the end.
 
2009-03-23 02:58:56 PM  
I would never be productive again if they came out with a Fark iPhone app! It cannot be allowed to happen!

Since when was AOL still happening in 1999? It was well on it's way out five years earlier. The big thing in 1995 was getting your own ISP and connecting directly to that thar intrawebs using something called Netscape.
 
2009-03-23 02:59:01 PM  
Prodigy was bigger than AOL at one point. Now nobody hears about it. I don't even know if it's out there. It wasn't one of the programs that several computers shoved up people's noses through their computers. In effect saying "We know you like the internet, here's how to get to it. Forget that you might have something else in mind. This is easier. *pat* *pat* Want a cookie?"
 
2009-03-23 02:59:24 PM  
I think this site is shamefully biased against twatting.
While farking is all fine and good, I see no reason why we should not be able to put some up the tweet-hole.

/We could call it a fark-twit
 
2009-03-23 03:00:58 PM  
hah, my headline made the Political headline of the week section. Awesome.
 
2009-03-23 03:02:16 PM  
rcain: I think this site is shamefully biased against twatting.
While farking is all fine and good, I see no reason why we should not be able to put some up the tweet-hole.

/We could call it a fark-twit


Every time someone had a Brain-Fark, they could post it to Fark-Twit. That works.
 
2009-03-23 03:03:48 PM  
The main reason i have a facebook account is because people I don't know can't talk to me if I don't want them to. I can keep in touch with friends who live far away and not be worried about spam and whatnot. I've never used or seen twitter so I can't compare the two but from what I hear it's not something I would be into.

/still probably getting rid of my facebook account soon
//social networking sites just aren't for me
///prefers the phone/letters/face to face
 
2009-03-23 03:05:21 PM  
Klippoklondike: /still probably getting rid of my facebook account soon
//social networking sites just aren't for me
///prefers the phone/letters/face to face


You sound old.
 
2009-03-23 03:05:56 PM  
Thanks for the nostalgic moment to whomever submitted the AIG "I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU" headline.
 
2009-03-23 03:06:05 PM  
I saw Drew at SXSW he looked lonely. I didn't chat him up, I really didn't a have anything interesting to say. I'm sure he's heard "love your site enough times."

Oh yeah Drew got a shiatty slot, it was before all the rockers showed up and the end of screen burn. The next day the convention center was buzzing, people everywhere.
 
2009-03-23 03:07:55 PM  
I'm still wondering about Fark's Facebook initiative, Facefark.
 
2009-03-23 03:08:57 PM  
You sound old.

I am a 26 year old college student (undergrad with 4 years navy). But, yeah, I am rapidly approaching crochety old man phase. Probably before I'm 35.
 
2009-03-23 03:10:50 PM  
Octuplets Follow-Up FTW!

/Gamer
 
2009-03-23 03:11:41 PM  
I thought you were going to discuss the process of bannination at some point.
 
2009-03-23 03:13:40 PM  
fark iphone app asap, plz.
 
2009-03-23 03:14:58 PM  
FTFA: Secondary content creation is a side affect effect and just happens.

FTFY


/pet peeeve
 
2009-03-23 03:15:26 PM  
I have Twitter, but I don't update it unless I actually have something to say.

"still unemployed", "car's still broken", and things like that are very dull, and you can only say that so many times before it gets old.
 
2009-03-23 03:15:41 PM  
organizm 2009-03-23 02:50:20 PM
fark twitter, I'm just waiting for my Fark iPhone app.

Working on it, dear Farker!
 
2009-03-23 03:15:49 PM  
hockeyfarker: I'm still wondering about Fark's Facebook initiative, Facefark.

Winnar
 
2009-03-23 03:16:48 PM  
Klippoklondike: The main reason i have a facebook account is because people I don't know can't talk to me if I don't want them to. I can keep in touch with friends who live far away and not be worried about spam and whatnot. I've never used or seen twitter so I can't compare the two but from what I hear it's not something I would be into.

/still probably getting rid of my facebook account soon
//social networking sites just aren't for me
///prefers the phone/letters/face to face


Facebook used to be just fine for what you are describing, but these social networking sites get too big for their own good it seems. It was fine before they started adding those stupid 3rd party apps, it has gone downhill since then. It is more of a chore to keep up with it anymore. I have better things to do with my time than to constantly inform other people that I have better things to do with my time.
 
2009-03-23 03:17:34 PM  
Making a stupid comment on Fark.
 
2009-03-23 03:18:43 PM  
40below: User-generated content is garbage. I don't understand why sites allow it.

Hey, now. No tongue-in-cheekery here.
 
2009-03-23 03:20:16 PM  
The internet doesn't exist.
 
2009-03-23 03:22:30 PM  
Sorry folks.
I am not interested in your lives enough to want instant access to your every self-indulgent twitting. Luckily, like R-rated movies and video games with violence... it can be avoided. People who biatch about twitters are like people who biatch about topless coffee shops.
 
2009-03-23 03:30:54 PM  
The thing I worry about is the massive push to social networking cross-site content. There are so many social networking sites now, and people are so spread out across all of them, that you can't keep up with them all individually. Thus, aggregators and cross-poster services have stepped up to bat, so that not only do the other users on your current social site of choice have to know what kind of cream cheese you had on your bagel today, every other site's users will be updated of the same.

While it's okay to just say "Well then don't use Twitter" if you don't like the massively lower signal to noise ratio coming from there, the push towards cross-pollenization of site content means all the other social networking sites' content will eventually fall to the lowest common denominator.

Walled gardens are bad things because people in different gardens can't hear each other. But the answer is not to dump everyone in the same garden, and give them all progressively bigger and bigger megaphones until they can all be heard.
 
2009-03-23 03:31:22 PM  
3:30 pm 3/23/2009: Still pooping
 
2009-03-23 03:32:20 PM  
hockeyfarker: I'm still wondering about Fark's Facebook initiative, Facefark.

Or, 'FARKface'.
 
2009-03-23 03:33:42 PM  
NewportBarGuy: I, for one, welcome the shunning of Twattering.

oh, you're so clever taking that line from Colbert

you'll get over it
 
2009-03-23 03:36:17 PM  
quixotic88: The internet doesn't exist.

This
 
2009-03-23 03:36:29 PM  
unremarkable asterisk: hockeyfarker: I'm still wondering about Fark's Facebook initiative, Facefark.

Or, 'FARKface'.


I'm pretty sure "FARKface" is a drink. If not, it should be.
 
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