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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Now that parking meter rates have quintupled in Chicago drivers are doing the one thing that the revenue hungry Mayor never planned for: staying home. That sound you hear is local business owners sharpening their pitchforks   (suntimes.com) divider line 173
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2009-03-22 01:49:29 PM  
bertuglia1978: I lived in Chi-town from 2001-2004, and then moved to Colorado. The City of Chicago has hired a law firm to track me down for 1 parking ticket I never paid in 2003. They are threating to garnish my wages and ruin my life yada yada yada.

/Still not going to pay it.


That'll learn em!
 
2009-03-22 01:49:32 PM  
Came for the cool hand luke.

//i would use a cutting torch on the meter itself
 
2009-03-22 01:51:17 PM  
Felgraf: But they privatized! Surely, it's IMPOSSIBLE for a private company to do something worse than the way the government was doing it! Isn't privatization and getting the government out of such things supposed to make things better!

/Well, *OBVIOUSLY*, the free market just wasn't applied correctly in this instance...


Heh. And there are some people who say we should privatize roads because the road upkeep would be maintained better and would eliminate an "unnecessary" expense on the government. If you think the tolls are bad now, you will see a new meaning to the term "highway robbery" if that idea is ever passed.

/Come and drive Time-Warner's I-95! Now with extra streetlights!
 
2009-03-22 01:54:43 PM  
lunafutura.com

Luke Jackson goes to work.
 
2009-03-22 01:55:01 PM  
Understand that Richie is the same idiot who predicted metric assloads of cash rolling in when Chicago elected to tax bottled water. Joe Six-Pack, being a crafty bastard, bought his water outside of the city or used the tap. Richie never thinks anything through.

/and isn't half the man that his father was
 
2009-03-22 01:56:47 PM  
Glasgowsfinest: 7of7: If only there were some method of transportation which didn't require drivers to park.

Or even to drive. What a concept!


Look at the big picture, when more people start riding the bus, bus rates will quadruple. When more people start riding bicycles, then the city will implement bike license fees.

You see how this works. Like AIG, whatever money is in your pocket, you give it to the government like a good citizen.

Big Brother is watching you.
 
2009-03-22 01:57:09 PM  
ZAZ

Since schools have beaten it into people's head that causality is simply arbitrary, why WOULDNT they seek instant gratification?
 
2009-03-22 02:00:34 PM  
3skin: bertuglia1978: I lived in Chi-town from 2001-2004, and then moved to Colorado. The City of Chicago has hired a law firm to track me down for 1 parking ticket I never paid in 2003. They are threating to garnish my wages and ruin my life yada yada yada.

/Still not going to pay it.

That'll learn em!


I'll show me.
 
2009-03-22 02:05:27 PM  
I find it interesting how on these Fark threads people say that doing without a car is "impossible", and then as time goes on we see it happening more and more.
 
2009-03-22 02:05:36 PM  
Came here for the Cool Hand Luke references. Leaving content.
 
2009-03-22 02:05:40 PM  
bertuglia1978: I lived in Chi-town from 2001-2004, and then moved to Colorado. The City of Chicago has hired a law firm to track me down for 1 parking ticket I never paid in 2003. They are threating to garnish my wages and ruin my life yada yada yada.

/Still not going to pay it.


That actually happened to me. I was there from September of 2004 to Feb. 2005, didn't like it, moved back to Texas. July of 2005 they sent me a letter saying that I owed them for a parking ticket from September. Chicago, when you get a parking ticket, has no problem putting a bright orange ticket on your car window and it glues to your window, so there is no way I could have ever missed it. It arrived with one week before my time to contest the ticket had ended, and there was no way I was going to drive to Chicago to contest one parking ticket. I called them up and they said "We didn't tell you about the ticket because you car was out of state, we had to communicate with the State of Texas to find the address that the car was registered at." I told them that was complete bullshiat and had they ticketed me, it either would have been contested or paid, and that the City of Chicago was crazy to think that they could send me a ticket 10 months after the date of violation and assume that I was going to pay it with no evidence of the offense.

They send me letters about once a year (the car was registered at my mom's address because I was in the process of moving to Chicago. Since she hasn't moved, she still gets to letters) telling me to spend my tax refund to pay them off. I shred them. I asked a detective, just what could the City of Chicago do to me. He answered, "There is a national database of people who are to be arrested on site. That's for murderers, drug dealers, rapists. Not for anyone with one unpaid parking ticket." he then said, "Also, you're in Texas, far out of the jurisdiction of Chicago, they can huff and puff, but really, can't do shiat." the ticket was bought from the City of Chicago by a law firm. There was the threat to boot my car. But that car was scrapped, so they are welcomed to boot it...but by this point, what's the point of pulling it's rear tire from a stack of tires only to boot it. Also, how would you know it was from my car?
 
2009-03-22 02:06:46 PM  
Where does John Galt park?
 
2009-03-22 02:06:50 PM  
pierceive: Felgraf: But they privatized! Surely, it's IMPOSSIBLE for a private company to do something worse than the way the government was doing it! Isn't privatization and getting the government out of such things supposed to make things better!

/Well, *OBVIOUSLY*, the free market just wasn't applied correctly in this instance...

Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but for those who don't get it, granting a monopoly (in the form of a 75-year lease) to one company is as far from "free market" as you can get.


THIS.

Most imposed taxes & fees assume that that people are stupid and will continue whatever activity you've just made more expensive at the same rate as before..
//Just like most "soak-the-rich" taxes & fees assume that "rich" people are stupid sheep too.

The principal is simple - to some extent you always encourage what you subsidize and discourage what you tax. So, by The Law of Unintended Consequences, legislators who assume doubling taxes on something will double revenue, or businesses who assume the same for what will happen when they double their charges, are usually wrong.
 
2009-03-22 02:07:48 PM  
Las Vegas has it right. No one charges for parking anywhere. Doesn't matter where you staying, you can park at their casino. It's one reason it's a preferred destination for me.

Unfortunately, the State and City are getting greedy and they are going to add a new car rental tax, which in most cities are getting farking ridiculous. Houston's car rental and hotel rental taxes are so bad, I avoid it at all costs.

It blows my mind. You charge $8/ hr. for parking and you're pushing away people who will spend $100 at a nice downtown Chicago restaurant.
 
2009-03-22 02:09:42 PM  
Wow.

No wonder so many northerners keep flying down here and infesting the South. If only they would not bring their nutty ideas with them...
 
2009-03-22 02:11:00 PM  
SouthernManDunWrong: Glasgowsfinest: 7of7: If only there were some method of transportation which didn't require drivers to park.

Or even to drive. What a concept!

Look at the big picture, when more people start riding the bus, bus rates will quadruple. When more people start riding bicycles, then the city will implement bike license fees.

You see how this works. Like AIG, whatever money is in your pocket, you give it to the government like a good citizen.

Big Brother is watching you.


I used to live in Minneapolis and got pulled over while on my bike and informed by the police that I could not ride it since it was not registered.
 
2009-03-22 02:12:31 PM  
This is just like the smoking ban. People will get used to it and business will thrive. Thrive I say.
 
2009-03-22 02:13:01 PM  
Glasgowsfinest: Crosshair: But it has to be one that costs the same or less to use, and takes about the same amount of time so that takes quite a few methods out of the equation.

My bike fits both those criteria.


Plus, your bike will easily carry several bags of groceries, the dry cleaning, maybe a package or two from the post office and that birthday present for your nephew, you know, all those things which those losers in cars should never purchase or need.
 
2009-03-22 02:13:32 PM  
studebaker hoch: I find it interesting how on these Fark threads people say that doing without a car is "impossible", and then as time goes on we see it happening more and more.

It depends on where you live. In Chicago, the impression that I got was that the common man was encouraged to ride mass transit while the roads were intended for buses and the private vehicles of the rich (how else do you explain $20 parking down town?).

Where I live, there is no mass transit, unless you're taking the school bus. You can bike, and right now it might feel like a good idea, but come July and August, that plan is going to suck, not to mention the once a year or so when it freezes here. Plus, how do you put a weeks worth of groceries onto a bike?

My dad and step mom put a bid onto a house that sits on 10 acres of land in Colorado in the middle of no where. 20 miles to the nearest town. There is no way they could do without a car.
 
2009-03-22 02:15:32 PM  
We should force the utopia on these non team players!!. How dare they run away from our awesome taxation.

/Hopey Change!!
 
2009-03-22 02:16:55 PM  
FTA: And at 2 p.m. around the Sheraton Hotel on Columbus Drive, a place where normally you can't crowbar your car into a space, there were at least three or four parking spaces

Just to take up the other side of the argument, how much is your time worth? If you pay more in parking fees, but you are pretty certain that you will be able to park immediately, is that worse than having a lower price but being pretty certain you won't be able to take advantage of it?

Theoretically, it might be better for the company in charge to set the price high enough to average a single empty spot within walking distance at all times. Not only would they receive revenue from nearly all the spots, but no driver would have to wait or circle the block over and over looking for a spot. That would be hard to achieve, though.

/of course, I'm probably one of the few people on Fark that think congestion charges might be warranted in certain areas at certain times. Something isn't "free" if it costs me an hour stuck in traffic.
//Off on my walk around town. :)
 
2009-03-22 02:17:29 PM  
Great Janitor: bertuglia1978: I lived in Chi-town from 2001-2004, and then moved to Colorado. The City of Chicago has hired a law firm to track me down for 1 parking ticket I never paid in 2003. They are threating to garnish my wages and ruin my life yada yada yada.

/Still not going to pay it.

That actually happened to me. I was there from September of 2004 to Feb. 2005, didn't like it, moved back to Texas. July of 2005 they sent me a letter saying that I owed them for a parking ticket from September. Chicago, when you get a parking ticket, has no problem putting a bright orange ticket on your car window and it glues to your window, so there is no way I could have ever missed it. It arrived with one week before my time to contest the ticket had ended, and there was no way I was going to drive to Chicago to contest one parking ticket. I called them up and they said "We didn't tell you about the ticket because you car was out of state, we had to communicate with the State of Texas to find the address that the car was registered at." I told them that was complete bullshiat and had they ticketed me, it either would have been contested or paid, and that the City of Chicago was crazy to think that they could send me a ticket 10 months after the date of violation and assume that I was going to pay it with no evidence of the offense.

They send me letters about once a year (the car was registered at my mom's address because I was in the process of moving to Chicago. Since she hasn't moved, she still gets to letters) telling me to spend my tax refund to pay them off. I shred them. I asked a detective, just what could the City of Chicago do to me. He answered, "There is a national database of people who are to be arrested on site. That's for murderers, drug dealers, rapists. Not for anyone with one unpaid parking ticket." he then said, "Also, you're in Texas, far out of the jurisdiction of Chicago, they can huff and puff, but really, can't do shiat." the ticket was bought from the City of Chicago by a law firm. There was the threat to boot my car. But that car was scrapped, so they are welcomed to boot it...but by this point, what's the point of pulling it's rear tire from a stack of tires only to boot it. Also, how would you know it was from my car?


When I lived there, I got TONS of parking tickets and even got booted once. I paid all of the tickets off in one shot, and they removed the boot. I've gotten that nasty full-page sticker too that ruins your glass even if you have a razor blade. I definitley dont have that same car anymore (keeping it on the street through 4 Chicago winters ruined it), but this law firm tracked me down nonetheless. They offered me to settle and pay half...haha, Nope.
That WILL Learn em.
 
2009-03-22 02:23:18 PM  
You can always get your walkability score. (new window)

I live out in the country and mine came up to 2 out so 100.
 
2009-03-22 02:24:46 PM  
KIA: Yeah, that's like sending the officers out to write more tickets. Once the citizens wise up and start scrupulously obeying the laws, then what?

Start paying parking maids a commission on written tickets, or at the very least, enforce strict quotas.

Then sit back, and watch the parking maids cut corners and shake down otherwise law obeying drivers.
 
2009-03-22 02:25:08 PM  
Felgraf: pierceive: Felgraf: But they privatized! Surely, it's IMPOSSIBLE for a private company to do something worse than the way the government was doing it! Isn't privatization and getting the government out of such things supposed to make things better!

/Well, *OBVIOUSLY*, the free market just wasn't applied correctly in this instance...

Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but for those who don't get it, granting a monopoly (in the form of a 75-year lease) to one company is as far from "free market" as you can get.

I was being sarcastic, yes. And as someone else said, how the *hell* would you apply 'free market' to parking meters? If the bidding for the contract was open to all comers, that'd be pretty close, would it not?

And no, Weaver95, I was not trolling. I was being sarcastic, which is slightly different. The word Troll gets thrown around too much by both sides these days. I was pointing out that here is a cause where privatization has caused a service to *worsen*, not improve.



Think of the question this way : How the hell can you privatise what is neccesarrily a law enforcement function ? It's not a all "free market" if the govenment is still involved. Parking garages are free market not meters on a public street.

Any private company that deals with the government, even as a customer, cannot expect a free market relationship.
 
2009-03-22 02:27:02 PM  
bertuglia1978: Great Janitor: bertuglia1978: I lived in Chi-town from 2001-2004, and then moved to Colorado. The City of Chicago has hired a law firm to track me down for 1 parking ticket I never paid in 2003. They are threating to garnish my wages and ruin my life yada yada yada.

/Still not going to pay it.

That actually happened to me. I was there from September of 2004 to Feb. 2005, didn't like it, moved back to Texas. July of 2005 they sent me a letter saying that I owed them for a parking ticket from September. Chicago, when you get a parking ticket, has no problem putting a bright orange ticket on your car window and it glues to your window, so there is no way I could have ever missed it. It arrived with one week before my time to contest the ticket had ended, and there was no way I was going to drive to Chicago to contest one parking ticket. I called them up and they said "We didn't tell you about the ticket because you car was out of state, we had to communicate with the State of Texas to find the address that the car was registered at." I told them that was complete bullshiat and had they ticketed me, it either would have been contested or paid, and that the City of Chicago was crazy to think that they could send me a ticket 10 months after the date of violation and assume that I was going to pay it with no evidence of the offense.

They send me letters about once a year (the car was registered at my mom's address because I was in the process of moving to Chicago. Since she hasn't moved, she still gets to letters) telling me to spend my tax refund to pay them off. I shred them. I asked a detective, just what could the City of Chicago do to me. He answered, "There is a national database of people who are to be arrested on site. That's for murderers, drug dealers, rapists. Not for anyone with one unpaid parking ticket." he then said, "Also, you're in Texas, far out of the jurisdiction of Chicago, they can huff and puff, but really, can't do shiat." the ticket was bought from the City of Chicago by a law firm. There was the threat to boot my car. But that car was scrapped, so they are welcomed to boot it...but by this point, what's the point of pulling it's rear tire from a stack of tires only to boot it. Also, how would you know it was from my car?

When I lived there, I got TONS of parking tickets and even got booted once. I paid all of the tickets off in one shot, and they removed the boot. I've gotten that nasty full-page sticker too that ruins your glass even if you have a razor blade. I definitley dont have that same car anymore (keeping it on the street through 4 Chicago winters ruined it), but this law firm tracked me down nonetheless. They offered me to settle and pay half...haha, Nope.
That WILL Learn em.


OK Bert now I understand. You paid off all those tickets only because you got booted. You got another ticket after that but you had moved away so it is not necesary to pay it.

/see where you're coming from
 
2009-03-22 02:27:04 PM  
I love politicians and the Law of Unintended Consequences. These types of stories are better than Jerry Springer.
 
2009-03-22 02:27:08 PM  
ZAZ: In exchange for a 75-year lease, the city got $1.2 billion to help plug its budget holes.

Modern government societal policy at the federal, state, and local level: do whatever it takes to get cash now and who cares about the long term consequences?


/FTFY
 
2009-03-22 02:29:01 PM  
GaryPDX: We should force the utopia on these non team players!!. How dare they run away from our awesome taxation.

/Hopey Change!!


You know how I know you're a moron?
This is your precious "privatization" doing this, not the government, you WHARRGARBLing moron.
 
2009-03-22 02:31:20 PM  
The whole purpose of parking meters was as an urban planning tool, used to generate turnover so businesses could see a steady stream of customers who park for a short time, shop and leave, opening spaces for more shoppers.

except that where I live, people where using the meters as long term parking rather than garage their cars.
so there were NEVER any parking spots

they had to move their cars,
TADA, visitors can find parking
 
2009-03-22 02:33:01 PM  
Superjew: Plus, your bike will easily carry several bags of groceries, the dry cleaning, maybe a package or two from the post office and that birthday present for your nephew, you know, all those things which those losers in cars should never purchase or need.

Who said that?

If I need to carry heavy stuff, I take the car. It's the people who don't need to carry stuff and still take the car that need to wise up. Going to work for example.

I used to have a (Canadian) neighbour who would drive 200 yards to the shop to buy groceries.
200 yards.
For two bags.
Later, she joined weightwatchers as she thought she was getting too fat. And she couldn't figure out why.

I'm now lucky enough to live in a city with a superb bus and tram network, and which also is very cycle friendly. Which means I use the bike more, or trams. And I can take my bike on the trams.

And thats the point really: if you make it easy for people to ditch the car, rather than punishing them for using it, they will.
 
2009-03-22 02:36:39 PM  
Superjew: Plus, your bike will easily carry several bags of groceries, the dry cleaning, maybe a package or two from the post office and that birthday present for your nephew, you know, all those things which those losers in cars should never purchase or need.

Get the fark over yourself.
 
2009-03-22 02:36:52 PM  
otterly_delicious: You can always get your walkability score. (new window)

I live out in the country and mine came up to 2 out so 100.


I got 75 out of 100, but that thing fails to take into account areas you would most definitely NOT want to walk through, and it's also showing me crap that's been closed down for years, so it's probably closer to a 60/100 for me. Neat little tool though.
 
2009-03-22 02:37:16 PM  
Is this the same a**hole that plowed up Meigs Field in the middle of the night? Anybody with MS FlightSim from '98 to '02 remembers the default takeoff location as the runway on an island just off downtown Chicago. Coolest transportation hub ever. In the middle of the night he had bulldozers and graders rip up the runway with 25 airplanes parked on the field. No notice, no due process. Bastard. DIAF.
 
2009-03-22 02:37:19 PM  
stryker4526: You know how I know you're a moron?
This is your precious "privatization" doing this, not the government, you WHARRGARBLing moron.


Pragmatism is a wonderful thing... the logic error here is that the gov't created the monopoly, so this 'privatization' you dislike so is not the root cause of the potential drop in sales revenue. But, hey, just shout me down without thinking a problem through or providing an valid alternative.

//WHARRGARBL, you know you want to.
 
2009-03-22 02:39:49 PM  
Could this be the start of something here, the people of Chicago finally telling the Daley family to go fark itself?

Crappy winters, corrupt cops, and a monarchy in City Hall. Why would anyone want to stay in Chicago?
 
2009-03-22 02:41:16 PM  
lucumon: stryker4526: You know how I know you're a moron?
This is your precious "privatization" doing this, not the government, you WHARRGARBLing moron.

Pragmatism is a wonderful thing... the logic error here is that the gov't created the monopoly, so this 'privatization' you dislike so is not the root cause of the potential drop in sales revenue. But, hey, just shout me down without thinking a problem through or providing an valid alternative.

//WHARRGARBL, you know you want to.


Ah, GaryPDX, you forgot to log out of your alt before responding to me quoting you. There's one important thing you're missing: parking meters are not efficiently enforceable without a monopoly. You can't have several companies watching the meters in the same area effectively, and it really should be up to the municipality, not some private company, since it really boils down to a law enforcement issue. The "valid alternative" would be to not have done this in the first place. Parking meters work just fine as a municipally enforced tool.

So yeah, there you go.
 
2009-03-22 02:42:41 PM  
i pulled out of a parking space in Chicago today because it was metered so i'm really getting a kick out of these replies. it was $.25/15 min so i moved the car a block away and parked on a residential street and walked. i could have just paid the buck, but fark that! meters should not be required on Sunday.

this city's taxes are beyond stupid now. other than fresh groceries i no longer make any purchases in the city.
 
2009-03-22 02:42:45 PM  
so before I wouldn't be able to find a spot and now I can? doesn't sound so bad. what good is cheap parking if I can't take advantage of it?

/DNRTFA or all the comments
 
2009-03-22 02:44:00 PM  
William 'Fat Tony' Williams: i pulled out of a parking space in Chicago today because it was metered so i'm really getting a kick out of these replies. it was $.25/15 min so i moved the car a block away and parked on a residential street and walked. i could have just paid the buck, but fark that! meters should not be required on Sunday.

this city's taxes are beyond stupid now. other than fresh groceries i no longer make any purchases in the city.


Chicago requires you to feed meters on Sundays? Wow. I don't have to feed meters between like 5pm and 5am on weekdays, and not at all on Sundays.
 
2009-03-22 02:46:55 PM  
KIA: Yeah, that's like sending the officers out to write more tickets. Once the citizens wise up and start scrupulously obeying the laws, then what?

If it works like any other government, you write more laws to be broken.

/There's no way to rule innocent men
 
2009-03-22 02:47:27 PM  
stryker4526: GaryPDX: We should force the utopia on these non team players!!. How dare they run away from our awesome taxation.

/Hopey Change!!

You know how I know you're a moron?
This is your precious "privatization" doing this, not the government, you WHARRGARBLing moron.


Government mandated monopolies aren't 'private'. But you knew that already.
 
2009-03-22 02:48:17 PM  
Where I used to live in Glasgow, not only do the flats not have garages (way too old) but the council has just started to charge for on street parking. 6 days a week, even if you live there.

you can get a parking permit (yours for $100 a year) but only if you own the car... if it's a company car and it's not registered to your address, you're screwed

I'm glad I live in a more sensible country now.
 
2009-03-22 02:50:01 PM  
stryker4526: The "valid alternative" would be to not have done this in the first place. Parking meters work just fine as a municipally enforced tool.

So yeah, there you go.


First, I am not GaryPDX, just an MBA student who rolls his eyes at what he sees politicians doing a lot. Chicago is a special kid: charging citizens the $200 tickets for public transpo bus drivers who break traffic light laws: Dumb. Whenever people blame private, greedy corporations for being private, greedy corporations, they immediately get slotted into the 'lacking intelligence' column. Then again, welcome to Fark.

Second, I agree with you that this shouldnt have happened: 75 year contract without stipulations on how much they are allowed to charge? A government should exist to facilitate economic success, not be a leach to grow off prosperity. There are many functions that should not be privatized: Law enforcement and defense being a couple obvious ones.

Third, there are many government created/enforce monopolies that work pretty well: utilities for example. They are not run by a local municipality and yet they provide us with fairly reliable power (note: unless you are from WV; you are farked then). The local government sets the rate of return the company can make which limits how much they can charge. Why, in a city like Chicago, did they not think this would apply to parking meters as well?
 
2009-03-22 02:52:42 PM  
lucumon: stryker4526: The "valid alternative" would be to not have done this in the first place. Parking meters work just fine as a municipally enforced tool.

So yeah, there you go.

First, I am not GaryPDX, just an MBA student who rolls his eyes at what he sees politicians doing a lot. Chicago is a special kid: charging citizens the $200 tickets for public transpo bus drivers who break traffic light laws: Dumb. Whenever people blame private, greedy corporations for being private, greedy corporations, they immediately get slotted into the 'lacking intelligence' column. Then again, welcome to Fark.

Second, I agree with you that this shouldnt have happened: 75 year contract without stipulations on how much they are allowed to charge? A government should exist to facilitate economic success, not be a leach to grow off prosperity. There are many functions that should not be privatized: Law enforcement and defense being a couple obvious ones.

Third, there are many government created/enforce monopolies that work pretty well: utilities for example. They are not run by a local municipality and yet they provide us with fairly reliable power (note: unless you are from WV; you are farked then). The local government sets the rate of return the company can make which limits how much they can charge. Why, in a city like Chicago, did they not think this would apply to parking meters as well?


Short answer: because it's Chicago.
I also get the feeling that there is more to report on here. I bet there ARE stipulations as to how much they can charge, but the private company just immediately busted it up to damn near the amount, since they get to keep all the revenue from the meters, while Chicago gets to keep the ticket revenue.
 
2009-03-22 02:53:45 PM  
lucumon: Second, I agree with you that this shouldnt have happened: 75 year contract without stipulations on how much they are allowed to charge? A government should exist to facilitate economic success, not be a leach to grow off prosperity. There are many functions that should not be privatized: Law enforcement and defense being a couple obvious ones.

Giving an exclusive 75 year contract to ONE business organization and not allowing competition isn't 'privatizing' anything. it's a government mandated monopoly and old skool patronage politics of the worst possible sort. To my mind it's also asking for corruption and abuse, as well as extremely damaging to local business interests but that's a discussion for another time.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2009-03-22 02:53:58 PM  
How would you integrate the free market into parking meters?

Divide the city into 10-100 zones. Let out one year contracts for each zone. You get a penalty against your bid if you already have too many zones.

I'm not saying that's good policy. It's a policy that allows for price and service competition, unlike a 75 year citywide lease.

A much different way to optimize revenue and service is a free market in parking permits.
 
2009-03-22 02:55:44 PM  
Weaver95: stryker4526: GaryPDX: We should force the utopia on these non team players!!. How dare they run away from our awesome taxation.

/Hopey Change!!

You know how I know you're a moron?
This is your precious "privatization" doing this, not the government, you WHARRGARBLing moron.

Government mandated monopolies aren't 'private'. But you knew that already.


So... being run by a private company, the meters aren't privatized now? Hmm... Also, this isn't a "government-mandated monopoly," it's just a 75-year contract (which is still ridiculous, don't get me wrong). The government didn't make any laws saying that this particular company HAS to accept the contract, or that no one else can manage the meters if this company were to become defunct, it's not really a gov't-imposed monopoly. Since the "free-market" is supposed to be so good at keeping monopolies from happening (yeah right), wouldn't it not matter? I mean, according to all the "free-market" radicals, this company will fail anyway because people won't want their overpriced parking services.
 
2009-03-22 02:58:05 PM  
ZAZ: How would you integrate the free market into parking meters?

Divide the city into 10-100 zones. Let out one year contracts for each zone. You get a penalty against your bid if you already have too many zones.

I'm not saying that's good policy. It's a policy that allows for price and service competition, unlike a 75 year citywide lease.

A much different way to optimize revenue and service is a free market in parking permits.


Ugh... no. Parking is mostly a law enforcement thing, unless you're parking in a private lot. It SHOULD NOT be given up to the free market. There's practically no way to avoid a monopoly. Your proposal is cumbersome and inefficient. Why is it that nobody had a problem with the government (one entity) managing parking, but now all of a sudden when they give a contract to one entity for parking management it's ZOMG SUPARBAD GOVURNMENT MAKIN MONOPOLEEZ.
 
2009-03-22 03:00:12 PM  
Daley sold the Chicago Skyway for something like 3 billion dollars and the company that bought it pretty much guaranteed they would up the toll to 8.00 to use the bridge. Within 6 months of this sale, he was already complaining that the city needed more money.

To stay at a hotel in Chicago, its runs about 50.00 per day to park your car.(no in or out privelages). To go to a restaurant in the city it costs about 25.00 to valet park while you eat. Red light cameras are on every street corner to catch people going through on yellow. That costs 100.00 and you will get one or ten of these eventually. The gun laws in Chicago keep its citizenry from protecting themselves, yet the city has one of the highest murder rates in the country(I think the murderers don't pay attention to the gun laws).

Try attending sporting events. I make decent money but I still wont pay 350.00 for a ticket to a Bear game, or 120.00 to see the Blackhawks. Then pay 8.00 per beer and 30.00 to park. Oh and while you are at the game, crews of theives steal all the SUV spare tires.

Chicago has become a wonderful horrible abomination of what a city should be. Its now there primarily to seperate people from their cash and send them packing.

Still it has a great skyline.
 
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