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(Some flighty guy)   "Plane wreckage found, pilot killed." Man, why'd they kill him when they found the wreckage   (flatheadbeacon.com) divider line
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2009-03-19 08:07:48 PM  
if you are reading the Flathead Beacon, you must be a neighbor of mine....??
 
2009-03-19 08:11:40 PM  
Never get tired of headlines like that. +1
 
2009-03-19 08:29:03 PM  
Yup, that be a pretty durned good headline.
 
2009-03-19 08:30:17 PM  
Sparky needs a tune-up.
 
2009-03-19 08:53:14 PM  
You know what's weird? This guy already survived one plane crash, just a few years ago.

Imeson, who authored the "Mountain Flying Bible and Flight Operations Handbook," survived a 2007 plane crash in the Elkhorn Mountains with another pilot.

Jon C. Kantorowicz, of Great Falls, was practicing canyon flying with Imeson at his side when a downdraft caught the plane. Kantorowicz said he tried to turn away from the hillside after the plane lost altitude but the engine stalled.

In that accident, Imeson suffered a compression fracture to his back, along with broken ribs, a broken toe, and cuts to his head. Despite his injuries, he attempted to walk out of the mountains before being located by search crews and rescued by helicopter.


You only get one.....
 
2009-03-19 08:53:54 PM  
I hope my death will generate amusing headlines.

/Not anytime soon though, please.
 
2009-03-19 09:16:52 PM  

cryinoutloud: engine stalled.


Engines in planes don't "stall" like they do in manual transmission cars. The wing can stall, which is when it reaches an angle of attack too high to sustain lift. When this happens, the plane suddenly starts to drop, and, if not properly corrected for, can go into a spin.

Engines can fail, of course, but a downdraft hitting the plane wouldn't do it.
 
2009-03-19 09:16:53 PM  
testaclese: I hope my death will generate amusing headlines.

/Not anytime soon though, please.


Me too.

A hookers/viagra/blow O.D. is a fark headline worthy death right?

If not, what if I wear a Dr. Rockso costume.
 
2009-03-19 09:17:18 PM  
"Plane wreckage found, pilot killed." Man, why'd they kill him when they found the wreckage

Because he farked up a really nice airplane.
 
2009-03-19 09:18:02 PM  
Nice headline ;-)
 
2009-03-19 09:20:01 PM  

PianoJosh: cryinoutloud: engine stalled.

Engines in planes don't "stall" like they do in manual transmission cars. The wing can stall, which is when it reaches an angle of attack too high to sustain lift. When this happens, the plane suddenly starts to drop, and, if not properly corrected for, can go into a spin.

Engines can fail, of course, but a downdraft hitting the plane wouldn't do it.


Note to mods: Do not allow pilots to post in threads involving plane crashes. All you get are really boring comments about how you can't do an inverted downward dive 1 meter from the canopy of a MiG and get a picture of the enemy pilot in the other cockpit.
 
2009-03-19 09:20:38 PM  
Nicely done subby. LOL'd

...was practicing canyon flying with Imeson at his side when a downdraft caught the plane. Kantorowicz said he tried to turn away from the hillside after the plane lost altitude but the engine stalled

Strange. If he was good at mountain flying, he would have avoided all those actions in the first place.

Now, did the engine quit running or did the wing stall? Big difference. Bad journalism there, as expected.
 
2009-03-19 09:21:32 PM  

PianoJosh:
Engines in planes don't "stall" like they do in manual transmission cars. The wing can stall, which is when it reaches an angle of attack too high to sustain lift. When this happens, the plane suddenly starts to drop, and, if not properly corrected for, can go into a spin.


We're also talking about the same class of people (journalists, he said with disdain) who think that anything with two wings and a pilot is made by Boeing. (like the Boeing DC-10, or Boeing Airbus)
 
2009-03-19 09:22:07 PM  

Oldiron_79: testaclese: I hope my death will generate amusing headlines.

/Not anytime soon though, please.

Me too.

A hookers/viagra/blow O.D. is a fark headline worthy death right?

If not, what if I wear a Dr. Rockso costume.


...

...

I do cocaine
 
2009-03-19 09:22:09 PM  
"A rancher reported seeing a white plane in the Kimber Gulch, Beaver Creek area, west of Canyon Ferry Lake, between 2:30 p.m. and 3 p.m. Tuesday, narrowing the search."


I bet the rancher wouldn't have reported what he saw if the plane had been black. Or maybe he would have walked a little bit further from the plane.

 
2009-03-19 09:24:17 PM  
Farkers can mock the story but Sparky Imeson was a very well-known mountain flying instructor. The disappearance of his plane was a major news item for pilots.
 
2009-03-19 09:26:01 PM  

Gyrfalcon:
Note to mods: Do not allow pilots to post in threads involving plane crashes. All you get are really boring comments about how you can't do an inverted downward dive 1 meter from the canopy of a MiG and get a picture of the enemy pilot in the other cockpit.


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Pilot killed: "Rough!"

/Ok, actually I got nothing.
 
2009-03-19 09:29:59 PM  
Shroedingers cat pilot ?
 
2009-03-19 09:30:45 PM  
Turn me loose, set me free, somewhere in the middle of Montana
Give me all I've got coming to me
You can keep your retirement and your so called social security
Turn me loose, set me free and let me be......

Fly on, free man...
 
2009-03-19 09:31:09 PM  
Ok, since the guy was kind of local I was going to be nice and post a pic of him in remembrance. But I found this instead:

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After his "good" plane crash.
 
2009-03-19 09:33:32 PM  
If man were meant to fly God would have provided us with bigger slingshots.
 
2009-03-19 09:38:40 PM  
Yes, but where'd they bury the survivor?
 
2009-03-19 09:40:00 PM  
"Plane wreckage found, pilot killed." Man, why'd they kill him when they found the wreckage


Because they can`t bury survivors?
 
2009-03-19 09:44:19 PM  
Imeson survived a 2007 plane crash in the Elkhorn Mountains.

Good judgment comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgment.

The corollary is:

Experience is good only if you learn something from it...say like stay the hell out of general aviation aircraft.
 
2009-03-19 09:49:45 PM  
Headline was funny, and damn, I find it strange to read these stories, and find out the guy had already survived another crash/bail-out. I was reading the survival stories on the equipped to survive site and one guy had survived three bail outs over the ocean, and was thinking about not ferrying aircrafts over the ocean anymore. Thinking. You'd think the Coast Guard would forbid him at some point.
 
2009-03-19 09:52:41 PM  

cryinoutloud: After his "good" plane crash.


Wow, it's Father Jack!

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2009-03-19 09:53:10 PM  

OscarTamerz: say like stay the hell out of general aviation aircraft.


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Yup, killers, all of 'em.
 
Al!
2009-03-19 09:55:53 PM  

PianoJosh: cryinoutloud: engine stalled.

Engines in planes don't "stall" like they do in manual transmission cars. The wing can stall, which is when it reaches an angle of attack too high to sustain lift. When this happens, the plane suddenly starts to drop, and, if not properly corrected for, can go into a spin.

Engines can fail, of course, but a downdraft hitting the plane wouldn't do it.


Engines can stall in aircraft, though it normally requires the kind of pressure loss you would see at 100k feet or more. A likely cause of this is an ignorant reporter hearing "stall", referring to the almost certain situation with the downdraft, and picturing that time he tried to drive his dad's pickup when he was 10. Or maybe 25, who am I to judge.
 
2009-03-19 09:57:27 PM  
Anyone else read the headline in a Mitch Hedberg voice?
 
2009-03-19 10:06:51 PM  
Headlines like this always remind me of Mervin Block
 
2009-03-19 10:12:23 PM  
Scuttle the pilot?
 
2009-03-19 10:13:18 PM  

JesterJames: Anyone else read the headline in a Mitch Hedberg voice?


Yep.
 
2009-03-19 10:16:32 PM  

Al!: Engines can stall in aircraft, though it normally requires the kind of pressure loss you would see at 100k feet or more. A likely cause of this is an ignorant reporter hearing "stall", referring to the almost certain situation with the downdraft, and picturing that time he tried to drive his dad's pickup when he was 10. Or maybe 25, who am I to judge.


You find me a normally aspirated piston aircraft that can reach 100K density altitude and I'll agree with you fully. :)

Unless you were talking compressor stall, but that's another beast entirely. They definitely were talking pistons here, not jets.
 
2009-03-19 10:18:48 PM  
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/unimpressed
 
2009-03-19 10:25:15 PM  

cryinoutloud: You know what's weird? This guy already survived one plane crash, just a few years ago.


So he figured he was safe. How many people ever get into more than one plane crash?

I guess they *can* take the sky from me...
 
2009-03-19 10:52:22 PM  
say dawg. we put a car in your plane so you can pimp while you pimp.
 
2009-03-19 10:52:38 PM  
Soon as I read this "two miles from the airport" I thought-

In a Stall/Spin both wings are stalled and the engine may or may not be running.
 
2009-03-19 10:54:31 PM  

cryinoutloud: You only get one.....


McCain's got five.
 
2009-03-19 11:10:20 PM  
subby, +1

/Oh, and there's a special seat just for you on the bus. ;-)
 
2009-03-19 11:11:48 PM  
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What? What'd I do this time? I didn't do it.
 
2009-03-19 11:24:53 PM  
Did I enable votey on this? At my lowly status, I can't tell.

/subby
//l33ter
 
2009-03-19 11:33:49 PM  
Am I missing a reference here or something 'cause I think this submission is... uh lame, lowbrow and quite crappy all around.

NTTIAWWT

Greening it on the other hand.
 
2009-03-19 11:42:44 PM  
FAFA: "Imeson is a flight instructor who has written extensively on flight techniques and is a three-time winner of the FAA flight instructor of the year award."
 
2009-03-19 11:43:38 PM  
the headline was good on its own, the explanatory 'joke' could have been much better. C-
 
2009-03-19 11:52:09 PM  

costermonger: OscarTamerz: say like stay the hell out of general aviation aircraft.

Yup, killers, all of 'em.


I'm sure that's exactly what he was flying, a 3 engine Dassault Falcon corporate jet, when he crashed. Both times.


Here are 40 years of gross fatalities by mode of transportation. When you figure the deaths per passenger mile the fatality rate for GA is multiples of anything else including motorcycles.
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Flying with amateur pilots is like leting somebody do amateur brain surgery on you. Sure there are skulls with partially healed trephination holes in caves in Europe meaning the caveman neurosurgeons had some patiets that survived but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
 
2009-03-19 11:57:08 PM  
. . . after the plane lost altitude but the engine stalled.


Dang, I'm just starting to learn the skill, but now I'll know to be sure to get a plane with an automatic transmission instead of a clutch.
 
2009-03-20 12:04:01 AM  
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/never gets old
 
2009-03-20 12:10:52 AM  

OscarTamerz: I'm sure that's exactly what he was flying, a 3 engine Dassault Falcon corporate jet, when he crashed. Both times.


You didn't say "stay out of Cessna 180s", you said general aviation aircraft.

Flying with amateur pilots is like leting somebody do amateur brain surgery on you. Sure there are skulls with partially healed trephination holes in caves in Europe meaning the caveman neurosurgeons had some patiets that survived but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

You know GA doesn't mean amateur pilots, right?

Anyway, considering nobody knows the actual number of hours flown by GA aircraft in a given year, and any estimates have to then be applied to an estimated average groundspeed (nobody knows the real value), then an estimated average passenger load before (another unknown), before one can come up with an fatality rate per passenger mile, I'd love to see your numbers proving it's some multiple of the same measurement for motorcycles - which similarly, can't be figured out without a number of estimations.
 
2009-03-20 12:23:03 AM  
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The deceased.

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Forensic sketch of the culprit.

/DNRTFA
 
2009-03-20 01:31:11 AM  
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I just want you to know there are too many pilots here, and not enough stewardesses.
 
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