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(Huffington Post)   Former Nazi camp guard living in Ohio charged with 29,000 counts of accessory to murder. Oh c'mon, isn't living in Ohio punishment enough?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 179
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2009-03-11 10:29:41 PM
He'll be dead before too long. Can't these people dance on some graves over there? It's a whole lot easier.
 
2009-03-11 11:00:00 PM
That guy has been in the news around here for years.

He went to Israel on trial for it, and their courts let him go for lack of evidence. It's gotten to the point where there's no point anymore- but it's easy and politically advantageous to go after Nazis. They're like pedophiles. Who doesn't hate them?
 
2009-03-11 11:32:44 PM
CtrlAltDelete: That guy has been in the news around here for years.

You're right, I knew I recognized that name.

FTA:
Demjanjuk has said he served in the Soviet army and became a prisoner of war when he was captured by Germany in 1942.

He emigrated to the U.S. in 1952 and gained citizenship in 1958 but was extradited to Israel in 1986 after the U.S. Justice Department said it believed he was a sadistic Nazi guard at the Treblinka death camp known as Ivan the Terrible.

Demjanjuk spent seven years in custody before the Israeli high court received evidence that the Nazi guard was in fact another Ukrainian, and freed him.


Now he's up on something else. If he didn't do it, these people should be ashamed of themselves. If he did, he can't rot in hell long enough.

I grew up in a rural area that was predominately German. There were many guys about the right age that spoke with thick accents and had snotty authoritarian attitudes. I was always dying to ask, "So, what did YOU do during the war?"

This one though, maybe he really was Polish Ukrainian to start with. With staggering Soviet losses, I'm sure record keeping wasn't a primary concern.
 
2009-03-11 11:37:38 PM
I hate Ohio Nazis.
 
2009-03-11 11:38:47 PM
If the Israelis let him go, how does the German government think it has the authority, or more to the point, the right to prosecute him?
 
2009-03-12 02:56:59 AM
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2009-03-12 03:19:52 AM
This is productive.
 
2009-03-12 03:22:44 AM
Dude, that's not funny, my grandfather died in a concentration camp...


Yeah, he fell out of a guard tower.

*badda-boom*
 
2009-03-12 03:23:05 AM
If the SCOTUS lets Germany grab Demyukyuk, they are opening a big can of worms...If Germany can do it, whats to stop Iraq from wanting to speak to a few people? Are ya listening, W?
 
2009-03-12 03:23:13 AM
I'm of two minds about this. If he did actually help murder people, then he should go to jail & rot there.

BUT... it's also possible that he was drafted into the Nazi party. It's not like they gave people a lot of choice- it was either join up or be killed or be punished in other ways like prison, property damage or beatings.

I'd honestly have to hear both sides of the case to really know what was going on.
 
2009-03-12 03:24:07 AM
kmmontandon: I hate Ohio Nazis.

Come on! Who in Ohio isn't a Nazi. I mean really.
 
2009-03-12 03:33:50 AM
If there's proof he did it, then my sympathy is minimal.

I'd need to see the proof.
 
2009-03-12 03:36:55 AM
Battlestar Girlactica: I'm of two minds about this. If he did actually help murder people, then he should go to jail & rot there.

BUT... it's also possible that he was drafted into the Nazi party. It's not like they gave people a lot of choice- it was either join up or be killed or be punished in other ways like prison, property damage or beatings.

I'd honestly have to hear both sides of the case to really know what was going on.


He is Ukranian. Did they draft Ukranians?
 
2009-03-12 03:37:17 AM
damnit LincolnLogolas!!!

/came here to say that...
 
2009-03-12 03:39:01 AM
It's a Nazi trifecta
 
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2009-03-12 03:40:10 AM
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2009-03-12 03:41:04 AM
you know, it's ironic we get these cases in a predominantly christian country. If god punishes the wicked, isn't this like double jeopardy? I'm pretty sure hell would be worse than prison, so why not just let them be damned to their fate?
 
2009-03-12 03:42:08 AM
Live in Ohio (for another 58 days). The headline is correct.

Also Jewish.
 
2009-03-12 03:43:22 AM
If they can't prove he was a true killer of jews, should not be allowed to punish him just to save their own face. Most nazi soldiers were forced to become one, and there are lots of cases where they just avoided killing people when they were not ordered to. Not every nazi was evil, only those who truly believed the extinction of a certain type of people are.
 
2009-03-12 03:45:04 AM
Battlestar Girlactica: BUT... it's also possible that he was drafted into the Nazi party. It's not like they gave people a lot of choice- it was either join up or be killed or be punished in other ways like prison, property damage or beatings.

If I remember correctly, the story was that he fought against Germany, ended up in a POW camp, and from there he became a concentration camp guard.

Must have had really good behavior or.. something.
 
2009-03-12 03:49:15 AM
Big whoop. Let the old dude be old. Does it matter? Not really.
 
2009-03-12 03:52:13 AM
It doesn't sound like he helped at all with the actual final solution. He was a young man who joined the German army, and his duty was to guard the area he was posted to.
I'm sure he saw the sickening conditions the prisoners were held in, but it was his duty to his country to guard the camp. I don't think he was at all responsible for the decisions made far over his head, and I don't think he should be held accountable for them after all this time.
The most important thing about the Nuremberg trials was that they showed that in a modern court of laws, the leaders could be held responsible for the orders that their under officers and soldiers carried out. We've already had the Nuremberg trials, Hitler is dead, Himmler is dead, Goering is dead, Goebbels is dead, Mengele is dead, Eichmann is dead. At this point it would be like saying a police officer who worked the front desk at a prison is guilty if they executed an innocent man in the back.
If the man can be proved to actually killing prisoners without a shadow of a doubt, in that they can prove he actually shot someone, beat them to death, etc... then yes, he should be prosecuted. From the story, it sounds like he was a low level guard without any idea of the big picture. He had a hand in enforcing a great evil, but was oblivious, and since we have already established that the true horror of the Holocaust came from the top echelons of the German government and many German officials from that era; either legitimately innocent, or those who weren't so innocent but had information we needed, have been forgiven, there's no need to pursue him.
 
2009-03-12 03:53:30 AM
Somaticasual: you know, it's ironic we get these cases in a predominantly christian country. If god punishes the wicked, isn't this like double jeopardy? I'm pretty sure hell would be worse than prison, so why not just let them be damned to their fate?

Surely.... You can't be serious?
 
2009-03-12 04:00:03 AM
As far as 'getting these cases in a predominately christian country' then you're wrong. We're getting these cases because we're butt buddies with Israel, one of the few they have left. The Jews don't believe in Hell, they want retribution on earth, which is why they jump on it. They know he won't be punished in the after life, but they just want to keep riding the oppressed band-wagon. I'm not anti-jew, just anti-zionist, and all those who appease them because they've been hurt in the past. Such as the US and Britain magically giving them their own state in an area that was already a state.
 
2009-03-12 04:03:07 AM
Vern: As far as 'getting these cases in a predominately christian country' then you're wrong. We're getting these cases because we're butt buddies with Israel, one of the few they have left. The Jews don't believe in Hell, they want retribution on earth, which is why they jump on it. They know he won't be punished in the after life, but they just want to keep riding the oppressed band-wagon. I'm not anti-jew, just anti-zionist, and all those who appease them because they've been hurt in the past. Such as the US and Britain magically giving them their own state in an area that was already a state.


This. Chips? Shoulders? Totally.
 
2009-03-12 04:03:32 AM
As despicable as the acts of the Nazis were, I don't believe individual soldiers should be charged without significant evidence of their carrying out particularly egregious orders. I don't see the reason except political points. Considering the campaigns of propaganda I've heard of and the general ignorance of the vastness and brutality of what was occurring, I can hardly blame this man, surrounded by a zealous war machine, from following orders.
 
2009-03-12 04:11:09 AM
just let it go, its over. im sure he doesnt sleep well at night, having seen the kind of things he saw.fark it, just shoot him at dawn.
 
2009-03-12 04:11:53 AM
we're still trying for nazi war crimes?? wtf??
 
2009-03-12 04:14:23 AM
Vangor: As despicable as the acts of the Nazis were, I don't believe individual soldiers should be charged without significant evidence of their carrying out particularly egregious orders. I don't see the reason except political points. Considering the campaigns of propaganda I've heard of and the general ignorance of the vastness and brutality of what was occurring, I can hardly blame this man, surrounded by a zealous war machine, from following orders.

That and I'm not sure what the point is after all this time. A quick wander around Google gives the impression that being a Nazi guard may not exactly have been up to him, as I'm sure was the case with many of them. Even for those who did intentionally go this direction, the propaganda and fear machines during that time were going full steam, I'm sure. None of them are blameless, but it seems there are many mitigating factors to be considered, really.
 
2009-03-12 04:15:28 AM
How many members of the KKK were charged with murder/rape/brutality well after the fact of the Civil Rights Movement?
 
2009-03-12 04:18:30 AM
Will one day US soldiers face the same punishment?
 
2009-03-12 04:18:48 AM
someone should video tape his trial and then edit it in with nazi war propaganda set to the tune of tool's "Die Eier Von Satan".

and then send him some cookies while he bides the remainder of his life in jail.
 
2009-03-12 04:31:02 AM
I grew up in Ohio and Ivan "the Terrible" Marchenko (changed his name to John Demjanjuk) was news 30 years ago.

He had been captured as a Russian soldier and became a Nazi by choice. Joined the SS. Was accused by eye witnesses of operating a gas chamber and some of his murders were with his bare hands, of strangling and beating people to death.

He had a lot of popular support from the community where he lived and raised a family.

Fark him. He was a Nazi.

/Ohio isn't all that bad... just sort of backward.
 
2009-03-12 04:35:47 AM
Yes, Ohio sucks...stay away from Ohio, it is a terrible place filled with Nazi's, bears, the Amish, and thier shifty Mennonite brethren, and all kinds of natural disasters like earthquakes, forest fires, hurricanes, and the occasional volcano.

So stay far away, as a matter of fact, never visit either, it is a terrible place.

/that should keep the idiots away
//Where do you live that is so superior submitard?
 
2009-03-12 04:37:20 AM
Vern: As far as 'getting these cases in a predominately christian country' then you're wrong. We're getting these cases because we're butt buddies with Israel, one of the few they have left. The Jews don't believe in Hell, they want retribution on earth, which is why they jump on it. They know he won't be punished in the after life, but they just want to keep riding the oppressed band-wagon. I'm not anti-jew, just anti-zionist, and all those who appease them because they've been hurt in the past. Such as the US and Britain magically giving them their own state in an area that was already a state.

Totally this. I've yet to find a way in which our slavish support for Israel benefits the US.
 
2009-03-12 04:38:19 AM
My Grandfather died at Auschwitz.

/He fell from a guard tower
 
2009-03-12 04:40:44 AM
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29,000 murders? He must get up pretty early in the morning. What's his day planner look like?

Death
Death
Death
Lunch
Death
 
2009-03-12 04:45:31 AM
He's a pawn of no significance. At most he is guilty of standing by and doing nothing when a massacre was occurring around him. And since escaping his post would surely have meant getting caught deserting and shot for it; he was just looking after his own skin.

If you really want to stir up unpunished crimes of WWII go after some of the Japs who managed to get away with the systematic slaughter of millions of people Asians in Japanese-occupied East and South-East Asia.
 
2009-03-12 04:46:12 AM
Even if the guy was a nazi guard, does that automatically make him guilty of war crimes? That does not prove he did anything that would violate law. He may have been a murdering bastard, or he may have been one of the decent few. Who knows? Not enough info in the article. They accuse him of being a guard, but since when is that against the law?
 
2009-03-12 04:48:58 AM
robohobo: Vern: As far as 'getting these cases in a predominately christian country' then you're wrong. We're getting these cases because we're butt buddies with Israel, one of the few they have left. The Jews don't believe in Hell, they want retribution on earth, which is why they jump on it. They know he won't be punished in the after life, but they just want to keep riding the oppressed band-wagon. I'm not anti-jew, just anti-zionist, and all those who appease them because they've been hurt in the past. Such as the US and Britain magically giving them their own state in an area that was already a state.


This. Chips? Shoulders? Totally.


You could have both just said "I didn't read the article and just like typing stuff I know nothing about"
 
2009-03-12 04:49:00 AM
I also failed at English when posting at 5 in the morning.
 
2009-03-12 04:55:10 AM
I hate when people lump everybody from Ohio into one group. This guy lives in Cleveland, in northern Ohio, which as everyone knows sucks almost as much as Michigan. Now, southwest Ohio, particularly the Cincinnati area is much better. I mean, come on, Cleveland - the Mistake by the Lake.

But seriously though, this guy ought to have "Scapegoat" tattooed across his forehead.
 
2009-03-12 04:58:22 AM

Burr:
//Where do you live that is so superior submitard?


Ha ha look at sensitive ohio defender guy!


/not submitter
//from Dayton
 
2009-03-12 05:18:56 AM
"We hope that the process can be expedited to ensure that this Holocaust perpetrator will finally be appropriately punished," Efraim Zuroff, the top Nazi hunter at Israel's Simon Wiesenthal Center Zuroff told the AP by phone from Jerusalem. "We're on our way to a victory for justice today."

suck my dick. you were wrong before and you are probably wrong this time aswell. he is 88, just let it go.
 
2009-03-12 05:20:49 AM
thinks_on_feet: I grew up in Ohio and Ivan "the Terrible" Marchenko (changed his name to John Demjanjuk) was news 30 years ago.

He had been captured as a Russian soldier and became a Nazi by choice. Joined the SS. Was accused by eye witnesses of operating a gas chamber and some of his murders were with his bare hands, of strangling and beating people to death.

He had a lot of popular support from the community where he lived and raised a family.

Fark him. He was a Nazi.

/Ohio isn't all that bad... just sort of backward.


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If he aint guilty in Isreal, it's pretty safe to say that you are FOS
 
2009-03-12 05:22:49 AM
Burr: //Where do you live that is so superior submitard?

You'll get over it.
 
2009-03-12 05:42:51 AM
Just being a guard at a death camp shouldn't even be a crime as far as I'm concerned. He was in the military and didn't have any choice than to do the job he was given. Before you say something about soldiers refusing unlawful orders, lets remember that this was 1942, Nazi Germany. If they have proof that he took part in the killing and torture then string him up, if not, let him live the rest of his life in peace.
 
2009-03-12 05:43:09 AM
Lynndie England got 3 years. this guy has already served at least 7.

3 farking years...
 
2009-03-12 05:45:21 AM
He is as guilty as the pope
 
2009-03-12 05:46:48 AM
Vern: As far as 'getting these cases in a predominately christian country' then you're wrong. We're getting these cases because we're butt buddies with Israel, one of the few they have left. The Jews don't believe in Hell, they want retribution on earth, which is why they jump on it.

Is that why Israeli courts acquitted him?

You are quite a dumbass.
 
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