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2009-03-10 10:58:43 PM
But Traditional IRA and Roth IRA are still at large.
 
2009-03-10 11:11:16 PM
Those bastards at the Roth IRA make you pay up front before they kill you.
 
2009-03-11 01:40:34 AM
Snowflake Tubbybottom: Those bastards at the Roth IRA make you pay up front before they kill you.

But at least the assassination is tax-free.
 
2009-03-11 02:10:18 AM
IRA? He moved to Florida ten years ago!

/what?
 
2009-03-11 05:42:11 AM
This is serious, they won't just roll over and take it this time.
 
2009-03-11 05:46:44 AM
Those early withdrawal fees are a real biatch.
 
2009-03-11 05:51:27 AM
Financial or banking reference.
 
2009-03-11 05:54:11 AM
Just to get it straight, the REAL IRA is the one with Slimer...and the OTHER IRA is the one with the ape in a hat, right?
 
2009-03-11 05:55:20 AM
I can't believe this is kicking-off again - I thought/hoped we were past this.

I've been living away from Ireland for about three years now, so I don't really have a feel for what the reaction is like back home, in the wake of these killings. I'd guess it's shock, disbelief, and a mounting dread that we'll slide back into the bad old days.

Any Irish farkers want to comment?
 
2009-03-11 05:59:11 AM
Kwisatzhaderach: I can't believe this is kicking-off again - I thought/hoped we were past this.

I've been living away from Ireland for about three years now, so I don't really have a feel for what the reaction is like back home, in the wake of these killings. I'd guess it's shock, disbelief, and a mounting dread that we'll slide back into the bad old days.

Any Irish farkers want to comment?


Well I've read plenty of Tom Clancy's John Clark novels - does that count? The IRA kills loads of people in those!
 
2009-03-11 06:04:40 AM
FTFA: "...the taoiseach said he felt "deep sadness and disgust" about what had happened, and the claim of responsibility from CIRA."

wut??
 
2009-03-11 06:06:19 AM
Not Irish, but just returned to the US from living there. Does that count?
 
2009-03-11 06:07:59 AM
Bolo Jungle: FTFA: "...the taoiseach said he felt "deep sadness and disgust" about what had happened, and the claim of responsibility from CIRA."

wut??


The taoiseach is basically the Irish prime minister, The CIRA is an IRA splinter group (Continuity Irish Repulican Army). That help?
 
2009-03-11 06:15:00 AM
Baker_Street_Irregular Not Irish, but just returned to the US from living there. Does that count?

No. Not at all. But it makes you thirty billion times more Irish than most of the 'Irish' I met when I lived that side of the pond. "Oh hey, you're from Scotchland....well I'm Irish - my grandfather once sat on the seat of a bus that had just been vacated by this lady who's best friend was once hit by a rhombus of light filtered through the dregs of a pint of Guiness'.
 
2009-03-11 06:15:21 AM
These kind of shenanigans are bound to occur in a region long known to have a potato based economy.

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2009-03-11 06:21:17 AM
Cool. I'm Irish! Just in time for all the American morans on St. Patrick's Day.
 
2009-03-11 06:21:31 AM
www.trekp.com

/toasted lightly
 
2009-03-11 06:39:03 AM
Recession = More Irishmen sitting around on the dole with time on their hands = More opportunities for mischief-making. I'm sure we'll see that elsewhere - in fact it was reported on the radio this morning that here in New Zealand far-right groups are getting more members in these tough times.

It was the same in the 70s and 80s. I'd have thought that with both the Republic and the United Kingdom in the European Union that any independence movement would be somewhat pointless, though.
 
2009-03-11 06:42:20 AM
Iron Chef Scottish: No. Not at all. But it makes you thirty billion times more Irish than most of the 'Irish' I met when I lived that side of the pond. "Oh hey, you're from Scotchland....well I'm Irish - my grandfather once sat on the seat of a bus that had just been vacated by this lady who's best friend was once hit by a rhombus of light filtered through the dregs of a pint of Guiness'.

That's what happens when you live in a country with no culture. You desperately cling to any connection, no matter how tenuous to distant relatives from abroad.
 
2009-03-11 06:47:36 AM
thisispete: It was the same in the 70s and 80s. I'd have thought that with both the Republic and the United Kingdom in the European Union that any independence movement would be somewhat pointless, though.

It's Religion, not politics - it was then, it is now.
But, I'm sure that some really think that strongly worded statements from politicians and random demonstrations will actually change anything, forgetting just how much history is involved.
 
2009-03-11 06:58:16 AM
Kerr Avon: It's Religion, not politics - it was then, it is now.
Nah, it is politics. Just because it has a religious veneer over the top as a symbol doesn't make it a religious conflict, not nowadays.
 
2009-03-11 06:58:22 AM
It's Religion, not politics - it was then, it is now.

Which, while sad, lets me refute the assertion that christians aren't like muslims because they don't go around killing over religion...
 
2009-03-11 07:07:38 AM
ethics-gradient: Kerr Avon: It's Religion, not politics - it was then, it is now.
Nah, it is politics. Just because it has a religious veneer over the top as a symbol doesn't make it a religious conflict, not nowadays.


Protestant & Catholic in Ulster is like Black & White in the US
South: a real division founded on an ultimately irrational basis that will only be closed when both sides realize how
stupid their fight really is.

Most of the Provos (as in the Provisional IRA, which is what most
people think of as "The IRA"; they called themselves
'Provisional' because in the late 60's there were still people
active in the movement who bristled at re-using the name Irish
Republican Army), as well as most of the Orangemen, have learned
that their fighting is stupid. Sure, there are protestant
assholes who still march to commemorate the victory of Cromwell
in the Boyne Valley, and catholic assholes who think the Provos
'surrendered', but no right-thinking Irishman (on either side of
the border) thinks of the "Real IRA" as anything other than
murderous scum little better than crack dealers protecting their
territory.

/Mother born in County Roscommon
/US by birth, green in my soul, but Irish in my heart
 
2009-03-11 07:08:38 AM
We need to go all old school. Follow the examples of Fallujah and bomb 95% of Belfast off the face of the Earth with cluster bombs and other munitions. That'll teach them.
 
2009-03-11 07:12:33 AM
Bad_Seed: Iron Chef Scottish: No. Not at all. But it makes you thirty billion times more Irish than most of the 'Irish' I met when I lived that side of the pond. "Oh hey, you're from Scotchland....well I'm Irish - my grandfather once sat on the seat of a bus that had just been vacated by this lady who's best friend was once hit by a rhombus of light filtered through the dregs of a pint of Guiness'.

That's what happens when you live in a country with no culture. You desperately cling to any connection, no matter how tenuous to distant relatives from abroad.


I thought it was due to Americans hating every other country in the world, but liking Ireland. And perhaps tolerating Scotland and Australia.

But hating everyone else. Especially Canada and Mexico.
 
2009-03-11 07:15:33 AM
Kwisatzhaderach: I can't believe this is kicking-off again - I thought/hoped we were past this.

I've been living away from Ireland for about three years now, so I don't really have a feel for what the reaction is like back home, in the wake of these killings. I'd guess it's shock, disbelief, and a mounting dread that we'll slide back into the bad old days.

Any Irish farkers want to comment?


You pretty much nailed it. I thought we were done with all this shiat. No-one wants to see more violence except a small minority of feckless scum. We'd all be better off if these idiots were taken outside and a bullet put in their heads. That goes for rira, cira, uvf, lvf or anyone else.

/From Donegal
//Borders the north for geography fans
 
2009-03-11 07:17:14 AM
DjangoStonereaver: but no right-thinking Irishman (on either side of
the border) thinks of the "Real IRA" as anything other than
murderous scum little better than crack dealers protecting their
territory.


And the thousands of "right-thinking" US citizens that funded all those bombs and bullets used against civilians, in support of one colour of curb stone over the other ?
 
2009-03-11 07:18:23 AM
limeyfellow: We need to go all old school. Follow the examples of Fallujah and bomb 95% of Belfast off the face of the Earth with cluster bombs and other munitions. That'll teach them.

Don't forget the lassons of the Gaza strip either. Cut off everyones food, water, electricity and level schools and any UN buildings.
That'll show those terrorist swine.
 
Ruz
2009-03-11 07:27:29 AM
Queue the 'not this shiat again' guy.

Obviously it's been in the news a lot recently, but I still do a double take when I seen McGuinness standing next to Peter Robinson. The sight of both of them agreeing is a mindfark.
 
2009-03-11 07:27:44 AM
Gordon Bennett: Bad_Seed: Iron Chef Scottish: No. Not at all. But it makes you thirty billion times more Irish than most of the 'Irish' I met when I lived that side of the pond. "Oh hey, you're from Scotchland....well I'm Irish - my grandfather once sat on the seat of a bus that had just been vacated by this lady who's best friend was once hit by a rhombus of light filtered through the dregs of a pint of Guiness'.

That's what happens when you live in a country with no culture. You desperately cling to any connection, no matter how tenuous to distant relatives from abroad.

I thought it was due to Americans hating every other country in the world, but liking Ireland. And perhaps tolerating Scotland and Australia.

But hating everyone else. Especially Canada and Mexico.


I don't think so. You've got the same thing in Australia. Third/fourth generation Aussies will assert that they are "Scottish" or "Irish", or "Greek". It's pretending you somehow belong to the culture of your ancestors even if you have nothing in common.
 
2009-03-11 07:28:56 AM
BUFFERING....
 
2009-03-11 07:30:11 AM
What's driving the peace process is the economy.

The economy on both sides was growing due to the downturn on violence. When the WhateverIRA comes in and does boom boom, that farks things up for everyone. Especially at this time, both the Republic and the NI are telling the terrorists to STFU and GBTW!

/not as articulate as I want to be
 
2009-03-11 07:52:02 AM
I'M gettin' a kick....
 
2009-03-11 08:11:47 AM
I've long considered starting my own IRA splinter group. We'd just sit around the pub all day getting bombed instead of going out and bombing stuff.

I'd call it the "Questionable IRA".

Who's with me on this?
 
2009-03-11 08:18:31 AM
CluelessMoron - So you'd sit around in the pub all day? There's already a name for that group. Just take the R and the A out of IRA.
 
2009-03-11 08:34:54 AM
Ok, I'm Scots/Irish. And that means half Scottish half Irish, born in Glasgow raised there and Dublin and have dual nationality and the appropriate passports.

I'm also a Republican, for both the UK and Ireland.

The C IRA and the Real IRA, are the maniac fringe of the Provisional IRA.

And the actual IRA is broadly speaking the two major parties of the Diall (The Parliament of the republic of Ireland).

So much for history.

The people responsible for these murders are not part of any republican process.

They are splinter groups of the PIRA, who've gone rogue.

If they're lucky the police will catch them.
 
2009-03-11 08:37:58 AM
ethics-gradient: Just because it has a religious veneer over the top as a symbol doesn't make it a religious conflict, not nowadays.

Especially when you consider that the difference between Roman Catholicism and Anglicanism is just about as small as the difference between two religions can be.

It's about power and money. All wars are.
 
2009-03-11 08:41:40 AM
Ruz: but I still do a double take when I seen McGuinness standing next to Peter Robinson. The sight of both of them agreeing is a mindfark.

Then you are going to love this.
 
2009-03-11 08:44:06 AM
- The only people we hate more than the British are the Provisional Irish Republican Army
- Yeah! And the Provisional Army of the Irish Republic!
- And the Popular Irish Republican Army!
- Where is the Popular Army?
- He's over there.
 
2009-03-11 08:54:08 AM
Time to go Israeli on their ass. Drop a few warning leaflets then we're good to flatten the place.
 
2009-03-11 08:54:19 AM
a_room_with_a_moose: It's Religion, not politics - it was then, it is now.

Which, while sad, lets me refute the assertion that christians aren't like muslims because they don't go around killing over religion...


Yes, because an isolated incident of a Catholic committing an act of political violence is equivalent to a large and growing movement of fundamentalist Muslims advocating violence to infidels.

Don't be such a moron.
 
2009-03-11 08:58:12 AM
Kerr Avon: And the thousands of "right-thinking" US citizens that funded all those bombs and bullets used against civilians, in support of one colour of curb stone over the other ?

My wife has a story that is appropriate in this context. Her great grandmother (who was Irish) used to tell her stories of this truly awful, horrid Englishman. A real murderous tyrant. Gram spoke if this person with such venom that Ms. JammerJim figured he was a contemporary of Gram, so, when she was old enough, she looked up the name of this person.

It was Oliver freaking Cromel.

Yeah, the roots of this thing go pretty deep for some folks.
 
2009-03-11 09:04:46 AM
damn my typign, that shoud say Dail not Diall.
 
Ruz
2009-03-11 09:11:33 AM
Kerr Avon: Then you are going to love this.

Bloody hell...

Mind you, I'd be really interested to hear what was being said behind the scenes.

Now, as long as Robinson & co can keep the UVF and the RHD in their box, there's some hope.
 
Ruz
2009-03-11 09:12:36 AM
pandabear: Especially when you consider that the difference between Roman Catholicism and Anglicanism is just about as small as the difference between two religions can be.

B-b-b-but they're bloody papists!

/not anglican
 
2009-03-11 09:41:52 AM
ethics-gradient: Kerr Avon: It's Religion, not politics - it was then, it is now.
Nah, it is politics. Just because it has a religious veneer over the top as a symbol doesn't make it a religious conflict, not nowadays.


Exactly, and historically the different religions were effectively a shorthand for the 'English' ruling elite (protestant) and the downtrodden workers (catholic).

It was always about class and colonial oppression.
 
2009-03-11 09:51:40 AM
RubberFootMan: It was always about class and colonial oppression.

And it goes back quite a ways. One of my favorite Young Dubliners songs ("Follow me up to Carlow") is about an Irish rebellion that took place in the 16th Century.

As with almost all of them, it ended badly. The leader's head was chopped off, pickled and send to Queen Elizabeth.
 
2009-03-11 09:56:57 AM
The Icelander: As with almost all of them, it ended badly. The leader's head was chopped off, pickled and send to Queen Elizabeth.

[Insert joke about British food here]
 
2009-03-11 09:57:15 AM
The whole thing is a government conspiracy!

From TFA: Two shots were fired at PC Carroll and a colleague as they answered a call from a woman whose home had been attacked earlier in the evening. The sniper was hiding behind a grassy incline between Lismore and the Drumbeg area.

There were two shooters! A second gunman was hiding in the nearby Guiness Depository! It was a Leprechaun magic bullet! LEE HARVEY O'WALD WAS FRAMED!!
 
2009-03-11 10:01:48 AM
RubberFootMan: Exactly, and historically the different religions were effectively a shorthand for the 'English' ruling elite (protestant) and the downtrodden workers (catholic).

It was always about class and colonial oppression.


This is an oversimplification. There are Protestants with native Irish roots (I'm one of them), just as there are -- perhaps fewer -- Catholics with English or Scottish ancestry. In neither case is bloodline alone a determinant of status as "colonizer" or "colonized", assuming these simplistic binary categories have any exact meaning at all. --As far as class is concerned, many Protestants were and still are working- class. The vast Proddie housing estates of East Belfast where I lived as a child are depressingly similar to the blighted areas of Detroit.

/ex-Ballymacarett
 
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