mmm... pancake: ronaprhys: Should we test them for huffing spray paint as well, if one keeps that around? And don't get me started on prescription drugs and all.

Yes and yes. When parents make certain choices that may endanger the rights of the children, the Government should step in and make sure that the parents are not causing any damage.

You should have used an alt, i think it would have gone over better.

j4x: Government bending over for 1% of the crazed populations demands while the other 99% of them biatch about it.

Where in the FTA did it say this was law? Apparently it was a store policy, not a government regulation.

Thank you TheChemist - your picture made my afternoon seem bearable for a moment.

factoryconnection I don't know if you bothered to read either the article or the thread, but "Tesco's" is a grocer, not unlike Publix or Wegmans or Ralph's in the states. It is a PRIVATE business, not a government entity.

The government is still at fault for this one however. They are the ones pushing for alcohol vendors to be held liable for things over which they have practically no control, such as the actions of a person legally buying alcohol after that person has left the premises. Vendors do not refuse alcohol sales because they want to, since alcohol is good business with high margins to the retailer. These things happen because of ridiculous laws and over-enthusiastic enforcement.

StreetlightInTheGhetto: /maybe I just need to go over to Europe with my sexy Michigan accent
//heh, right

Just go to Kentucky, last time I was there my Wisconsin accent was a hit.

Apparently I say about in a strange manner, but not canadian strange)

Nothing to do with underage drinking, but what is it with expensive hotels keeping you from bringing booze up to your room?

Friend had his bachelor party in Vegas and stayed at the meh and overpriced Hard Rock. We tried to bring a 12 pack up to his room. Guy in front of the elevator said he wouldn't allow it, but he would if we came back with them in a paper bag, so it wouldn't be on camera. I know they want you to blow your money at the bar but when the $50 a night Motel 6 doesn't have a problem you'd think the expensive ones wouldn't either.

Next they'll be saying I shouldn't bring my kinds to orgies. I mean really!

beer4breakfast: Nothing to do with underage drinking, but what is it with expensive hotels keeping you from bringing booze up to your room?

Friend had his bachelor party in Vegas and stayed at the meh and overpriced Hard Rock. We tried to bring a 12 pack up to his room. Guy in front of the elevator said he wouldn't allow it, but he would if we came back with them in a paper bag, so it wouldn't be on camera. I know they want you to blow your money at the bar but when the $50 a night Motel 6 doesn't have a problem you'd think the expensive ones wouldn't either.

Does the Motel 6 have a bar for you to blow your money at? If not, there's your answer.

Ridiculous.

Oh, but so is the fact that if the mother was buying the booze for her kid, and the kid got wasted and hurt herself, the girl's father would sue the store.

Don't blame stores for protecting themselves, blame the idiots who sue them for things well beyond their control just because they have deep pockets.

She's 14? She looks 28 at least.

Doctor Funkenstein: Farking: Texas law allows parents to provide alcohol to their own underage children in a bar or restaurant as long as the parent remains in the physical presence of the minor. However, it is against the law to provide alcohol to anyone else's underage child, even if they have their parent's permission.

/Texas too...

That's pretty cool. I never knew that. Sounds like a good rule...go figure.

Yeah, one time my extended family was out to dinner and my older sister (probably 25 at the time) ordered a drink but hadn't brought her ID. The waitress made a stink about it until my mom uttered the magic words "she's my daughter". That restaurant was always a real stickler about IDs - a few years later the Bush twins were idiotic enough to try buying underage there.

Candy is Dandy but Liquor is quiccker.



///Got nuttin

mmm... pancake: Uh-huh. You're probably one of those whackos who thinks the Government shouldn't periodically test children who are home-schooled too.

Srsly - if you're going to go trolling, do a better job than that. It's kind of pathetic, like seeing a 45yo man at a college bar trying to pick up chicks. He's all unbuttoned shirt and medallions and doesn't realize he's the laughing stock of the bar.

laurascudder: Yeah, one time my extended family was out to dinner and my older sister (probably 25 at the time) ordered a drink but hadn't brought her ID. The waitress made a stink about it until my mom uttered the magic words "she's my daughter". That restaurant was always a real stickler about IDs - a few years later the Bush twins were idiotic enough to try buying underage there.

I have noticed restaurants seem to be pickier when you are WITH your parents then without. Maybe to show them they are a wholesome restaurant that doesn't serve minors.

I know how uncool this probably is, but the unparalleled idiocy in this thread (and that's saying something for Fark "Nanny State" threads) has driven me to it:

TESCO IS NOT THE STATE! THIS IS ONE IDIOT IN ONE STORE IN ONE TOWN. THEY EVEN ADMITTED TO BEING WRONG! WHY CAN'T YOU FUKKING MORANS GET THAT?!!!

jshine: What the F- is wrong with British people? Jewel/Osco have been doing this for over 20 years. 4 years ago, I was out with an ex's brother. We stopped at a grocery store to buy beer, on Thanksgiving. She asked for his ID and then looked at me and requested mine. He began to complain, but I was use to the motions. She looked at mine and promptly gave it back. I told her, I had nose hairs older than she was. Jewel/Osco are in the middlewest. I live in the nw.

/meh
//was it the lawyers back then?

This happened to me in PA when my husband and I tried to by liquor at the state-run liquor store monopoly. Even though I wasn't making a purchase and was clearly over 21 years-old, they still insisted on seeing my ID before they sold the alcohol to my husband. I didn't have it on me at the time (I didn't think there was a need to) so we didn't get the alcohol. Now I just stand outside the store while he goes inside and makes a purchase.

Damn nanny state!! I was refused a bottle of wine at my grocery store too. My wife had her licence on her, but I didn't have mine. She was paying at the time. She was 32 at the time, but because I couldn't prove my age, we couldn't leave with alcohol.

It happens all over the country, not just Tesco's.

Oh, silly me, this was NH. And AZ. And CA. Yes, I learned to plan and carry ID with wherever I go, just in case some authority figure needs me to provide "proof of me".

That was an insincere sounding apology.

I work customer service. I can do a corporate apology you really WOULD believe.

MrT

The government is still at fault for this one however. They are the ones pushing for alcohol vendors to be held liable for things over which they have practically no control, such as the actions of a person legally buying alcohol after that person has left the premises. Vendors do not refuse alcohol sales because they want to, since alcohol is good business with high margins to the retailer. These things happen because of ridiculous laws and over-enthusiastic enforcement.

I came here to say THIS but MrT beat me to it. And worded it more eloquently than I would've.

This is a common policy in NH, because kids were coming in with their older friends, picking out alcohol, and having the friend pay for it with their cash. Or doing it with a stranger. It's a store policy, not a law (asfaik, some places don't bother around here), and done so the store doesn't get sued, and so that cashiers have an excuse to refuse to sell wine coolers to Bucky McCreepy and his gaggle of thirteen year old girls. Most stores are smart enough that when it's obviously parent/child or grandparent/child, they let things go, but sometimes it's hard to tell. My mom sometimes was asked for my ID when I was with her, since we don't look as close, but my dad and my grandmother never got carded because we're clearly related, and too big a gap to be siblings. And they NEVER bother when the kid is under age 10, since they figure it's way more likely to be a parent buying something for dinner with a kid in tow than someone trying to provide alcohol to a minor. The stores around here tend to use common sense about the whole thing.

Glancing at the picture, I can see a low-IQ clerk thinking they might be siblings or something, and if they have the policy, whatever. They're allowed.

However, I don't think the policy is worth crap, coming from someone who just took in a kid because her mother bought her a bottle of schnapps, she got drunk, and a guy who was visiting her family raped her. So don't sit there saying it's okay if the parents buy for them, because parents are retarded most of the time, and just because you want to teach your kid to drink wine responsibly doesn't mean all parents do.

Father Jack Hacket: lolz, in the "Nanny state" the legal drinking age is 18 and it's only illegal for those aged 5-17 to drink alcohol on licensed premises; they may legally drink alcohol in private (purchasing alcohol is slightly different).

What's the drinking age in the "land of the free" again?

Who farking cares? I'm 38.

The Envoy: TESCO IS NOT THE STATE! THIS IS ONE IDIOT IN ONE STORE IN ONE TOWN. THEY EVEN ADMITTED TO BEING WRONG! WHY CAN'T YOU FUKKING MORANS GET THAT?!!!

"I'm good with people! Can't you people understand that?!"



/take it easy, Tom.

They do the same bullshiat thing at LCBOs (Gubermint liquor stores) in Ontario.

"Dur, you're with someone under 19?!? We can't serve you den!"

Why am I imagining that episode of the Man show where they have the little fat boy trying to buy liquor?

A couple years ago I bought Metal Gear Solid 2 at a Gamestop. The employee asked me for my ID. I thought he meant to confirm my credit card. Nope, had to be sure I was over 18 for a mature game. Now, I'm 30. I sneered a little at him and handed over the card. As I walked out I told him that I was going to give the game to a kid outside.

As a 21 year old Pennsylvanian, I was overjoyed on vacation last year when I bought alcohol at a Walmart near Disney World. So many party packs.

It does suck when you have to go far out of your way to get alcohol. Luckily, I live next to a grocery store that has a Wines and Spirits store within it.

/Yay Hershey!

Kareeshus: They do the same bullshiat thing at LCBOs (Gubermint liquor stores) in Ontario.

"Dur, you're with someone under 19?!? We can't serve you den!"

Which LCBO did you get that from? I've never had a problem, even when I was buying for minors (my kid sister), or when others bought for me. I've never had an issue with LCBO. LSUC in NS, yes, but not in ON.

NSLC...oops...started too early today. Must be 5 somewhere...*hic*

HotWingConspiracy:
They have or they aren't enforced that way. You always have to show ID, even if you're 90, but I've never had anyone ask to see ID aside from mine, no matter how many people I happened to walk in to the store with.

I took my grandmother to the state store a couple years ago so she could get a bottle of wine. They wouldn't sell to us, not because I didn't have an ID, I did and was over 21, but because my almost 80 year-old grandmother didn't have an ID. Well, she had her expired license, as she gave up driving a few years before that, but they couldn't scan it.

This was PA where you can only buy booze in state stores that close at 9, or distributors/6 pack shops for beer. Anyhow, any time I go in to the state store, especially in college, they card the whole group, and make everyone sign this slip that says that you won't let a minor drink your purchase.

It's a sheethead grocery corporation, not the 'nanny state' that's making the problems here.

/Korporat assholes and their policies are sooooo useless.

Wegmans in Rochester, NY has undercover security that keeps an eye on everyone you speak to while in the store and will track them down and demand ID from all of them. I've had friends get followed to the car to see if anyone else was in it.

If you talk to the person behind you in line while waiting to pay? That's an ID check... Rochester is a college town (5 colleges) - you run into people you know all the time.

I had a friend (23 at the time) get denied because his Hawaiian Drivers License didn't match the outdated picture ID book they had at the register (Hawaii had moved the rainbow decal in recent months). Upon presenting his old one which did match but had a void hole punched in it they still refused citing that the license had been voided. No. Joke. The fact that I had a "valid" NY license made no difference.

On our next trip he brought his US Passport to try and avoid the problem... No dice: Wegmans does not consider US Passports to be a valid form of ID.

We just took to leaving the poor guy at home when we wanted to buy beer or buying beer from the gas station or specialty beer store where they're actually interested in having decent customer service and making a sale.

Wegmans is the most kickass grocery store on the planet - the only blemish being their fascist interpretation of the ID laws.

If some teens got some bum to buy them booze, then they can go in the store with them while the guy buys it?

Thats a tough one. In the case of teens getting some shmo to buy liqueur its one thing, but if its your own daughter that's another. Just go to the liqueur store.

/buys booze with her teen daughter all the time

//lives in germany so dont matter

tweekster: StreetlightInTheGhetto: /maybe I just need to go over to Europe with my sexy Michigan accent
//heh, right

Just go to Kentucky, last time I was there my Wisconsin accent was a hit.

Apparently I say about in a strange manner, but not canadian strange)

We DO NOT pronounce it "aboot". Well, maybe the newfs do, but they also eat cod tongue and drink screetch, so that pretty much explains their odd speech patterns.

Lauraness: Here in Vestal/Binghamton, NY if your friends drive you to the local alcohol store, the owner will come out and ID the people in the car if you park in their lot.

/So we don't
//Nothing wrong with walking

I was at the Vestal Wal-Mart with three friends buying beer. Two of us were making purchases and we went into two lanes to speed things up. We were talking back and forth so the cashiers knew we were all together. Cashier 1 made my friend and me show ID because we were in her lane, and Cashier 2 carded my other two friends. Then, Cashier 1 made my friends from the other lane come over and show ID because we were together and Cashier 2 did the same thing to the other guy and me. Explain the logic of that one. I understand they wanted to card everyone, but why the need to card twice?

Lighten up, Francis...

The real morons are the parent's who buy alcohol for their kids with them present. Make them wait outside for that.

This is a stupid law.

louiedog: I was at the Vestal Wal-Mart with three friends buying beer. Two of us were making purchases and we went into two lanes to speed things up. We were talking back and forth so the cashiers knew we were all together. Cashier 1 made my friend and me show ID because we were in her lane, and Cashier 2 carded my other two friends. Then, Cashier 1 made my friends from the other lane come over and show ID because we were together and Cashier 2 did the same thing to the other guy and me. Explain the logic of that one. I understand they wanted to card everyone, but why the need to card twice?

You're asking why an employee (or group of employees) at a WalMart did something stupid?

Seriously?

Mrs Dumelow, a fraud investigator, said: 'In my job I have to be squeaky clean and that's how I am outside the office too.

'I would never try and buy my daughter or any other under-age person alcohol and I find it extremely distressing to have been treated this way


To be fair, they should just ask for proof of a squeaky-clean job. It is obvious that everyone else in this situation would pour alcohol into toddlers with a funnel.
I thought she had a story until she brought up her job as a relevant point.

Sad, but at least it was a private enterprise. She can, and should, take her business elsewhere.

I will say this though - it is tragic to see that the anti-smokers have truly moved on. Having defeated, smoking, they're attacking my preferred poison - alcohol.

Luckily this garbage hasn't really caught on in Quebec yet.

Just the other day I was at an SAQ (our .. "hard" alcohol stores) and it was packed with kids of all ages. Most of the sales ringing through were vintage wines, but plenty of spirits as well. They don't generally check ID, either.

It's a shame to see Europe lose its enlightened view that childhood exposure to alcohol is more healthy than the prohibition of it.

MrT:
The government is still at fault for this one however. They are the ones pushing for alcohol vendors to be held liable for things over which they have practically no control, such as the actions of a person legally buying alcohol after that person has left the premises.

LOLWUT

[citation needed]

Father Jack Hacket:
lolz, in the "Nanny state" the legal drinking age is 18 and it's only illegal for those aged 5-17 to drink alcohol on licensed premises; they may legally drink alcohol in private (purchasing alcohol is slightly different).

What's the drinking age in the "land of the free" again?

You forgot about drinking with a meal that is available for 16 and up. They are just not allowed to go to the bar. It is certainly weird in the US. I get strange looks from my mother in law when I tell her that I was drinking regularly at age 12 and clubbing at age 14 and I started late.

The Envoy: TESCO IS NOT THE STATE! THIS IS ONE IDIOT IN ONE STORE IN ONE TOWN. THEY EVEN ADMITTED TO BEING WRONG! WHY CAN'T YOU FUKKING MORANS GET THAT?!!!

It was one idiot and that idiot's boss... and their boss... and their boss.

Nanny State.

She should have done what I did before hitting the legal drinking age...

Go to the counter, put money on it (more than the purchase price), and tell the cashier your in a hurry and leave with alcohol in hand. Tada!