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(Yahoo)   FBI fingerprint database helps solve 45 year old cop-killing   (latimes.com ) divider line 51
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2003-01-30 10:52:50 PM  
Too bad he's so old he'll have to use a walker to get to the execution chamber.
 
2003-01-30 10:53:13 PM  
It wasn't me, SODDI.
 
2003-01-30 10:54:57 PM  
As I live in the basement of FBI headquarters, I find this sentence disturbing.
 
2003-01-30 10:59:10 PM  
not funny anymore. it was, but it's not anymore.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2003-01-30 10:59:36 PM  
Why waste effort prosecuting a 45 year old murder?
 
2003-01-30 11:10:11 PM  
A lot of things come to mind when reading this article. I almost feel sorry for the guy. Almost. Then I think about the rape and double homicide, and I have to laugh that the death penalty is not and option here. Go figure. Plus just as a curiosity, what about statute of limitations? I ain't no lawyer, but I thought that after X number of years a crime was no longer allowed to be prosecuted?
 
2003-01-30 11:10:54 PM  
"The message is, when it comes to killing a police officer, we don't forgive. We don't forget. We don't give up."


kind of makes you wonder if they would be as worried about the murder of an ordinary joe.
 
2003-01-30 11:11:56 PM  
i think the statute of limitations deals more with civil lawsuits and such
 
2003-01-30 11:13:00 PM  
but i am also no lawyer, i just watch a lot of matlock
 
2003-01-30 11:15:11 PM  
He's going to hell..
 
2003-01-30 11:16:13 PM  
"kind of makes you wonder if they would be as worried about the murder of an ordinary joe."

good thing for OJ, he didn't kill a cop.
 
2003-01-30 11:22:45 PM  
Well, it's almost pointless now to convict him. He got to live a lifetime of freedom.
 
2003-01-30 11:24:26 PM  
Nelno: I believe the length of the statute of limitations varies from crime to crime; for capital crimes it is usually infinite.
 
2003-01-30 11:32:45 PM  
Plus just as a curiosity, what about statute of limitations? I ain't no lawyer, but I thought that after X number of years a crime was no longer allowed to be prosecuted?

There is no statute of limitations on murder. There is one for most other crimes (and civil law suits) but not murder. The length of the limitation depends on the jurisdiction. Additionally, some homicides may have a limitation (such as vehicular homicide or manslaughter, etc...), but in any case first-degree murder does not.
 
2003-01-30 11:34:06 PM  
kind of makes you wonder if they would be as worried about the murder of an ordinary joe.

Oh yeah, another thing: most police forces have a "cold crimes" unit that investigates old murders and other serious crimes. Maybe they'd work harder for another cop, but they still try to solve 'em all.
 
2003-01-30 11:46:35 PM  
Ebell: You are correct that there are no statutory limitations on pursuing a charge of homicide. However, there are ways around statutes of limitation (in civil and criminal matters). Even though the statutory period may have passed, certain types of fresh evidence can be successful in reviving a charge. One example would be a case in which childhood sexual abuse is "recalled" (validity of repressed memory notwithstanding) at some point later in life. The limiting period MAY then be considered to run from the time the fresh evidence if recovered, rather than from the date of the alleged offence.
It depends on the nature of the evidence, the nature of the offence and (most importantly...as in ALL court proceedings) the disposition of presiding judge (read: did the judge get laid last night; drunk last night; lose at poker to the prosecutor/defence counsel; find someone in his parking space this morning...).

I know most folks want to think truth, evidence, justice and skillful lawyering have more to do with outcomes than hangovers and blue balls, but facts are facts.

From the information in this story, I'd be more concerned about the legitmacy of charging someone with murder based on nothing more than a fingerprint taken from a vehicle. There are lots of explanations for how a single print came to be on a car door, only one of which results in a ride on ol' Sparky.
 
2003-01-30 11:54:03 PM  
To make up for the 45 years, I say we execute him, resuscitate him, and then kill him again.
 
2003-01-30 11:54:38 PM  
It's good that the families finally have closure on that incident. But I have to question whether or not it's worthwhile to even bother prosecuting someone who is 68 years old, and who, from what little information the article provided, has lived a rather productive (and law abiding) life since the incident.

For the sake of the families involved I guess, I dunno. I do hope they take all the factors into account before they sentence him, if he's convicted.
 
2003-01-30 11:54:49 PM  
You know it sounds like he did it, but these cops and DA's are acting like he's already been tried and convicted. We used to have this thing called innocent until proven guilty.
 
2003-01-31 12:07:58 AM  
"This is the oldest homicide I am aware we've ever solved," Merriman said. "And it's especially important because it's the murder of police officers."

Good that they caught the guy.

Bad that they think catching a cop killer is "especially important" - like a ocuple of others have said, what about the rest of us ordinary Joes?
 
2003-01-31 12:11:17 AM  
it was mumia
 
2003-01-31 12:12:13 AM  
because you "ordinary joes" dont risk your life to protect other ordinary joes, thats why. you want the special treatment, become a cop. until then, stfd.
 
2003-01-31 12:23:21 AM  
my concern is people being catalogued into a system based on a unique feature on their body. technology is scary. *goes back to surfing web*

/hypocrite
 
2003-01-31 12:27:22 AM  
Triple is right. cops do suck.
pink piggy go oink oink
 
2003-01-31 12:28:27 AM  
I hope they put his geriatric ass in the GEN POP with the rest of the young whipper snapper cop killers/rapists!
 
CB
2003-01-31 12:30:40 AM  
Gee, they don't have any NEW crime to deal with do they?
 
2003-01-31 12:36:28 AM  
kind of a weird twist of fate. Sucks that the guy seems to have a normal life now so long after he committed the crime that you feel bad for his family, but then I think about how I would feel if someone killed my dad and I grew up knowing the guy was still out there, sad that the cop left small kids behind, sad that the killer gets the same fate.
 
2003-01-31 12:47:37 AM  
BANG!
 
2003-01-31 01:09:28 AM  
I think its funny that a few of you are saying "Hey you got away with it for this long, so we'll let it slide." Please, he committed 2 murders and a rape. Theres no forgiving or forgetting that.
 
2003-01-31 01:34:33 AM  
But, I said "Bang." Does that make me sanitary, Albinoman?
 
2003-01-31 01:55:27 AM  
"because you "ordinary joes" dont risk your life to protect other ordinary joes, thats why. you want the special treatment, become a cop. until then, stfd."

the point is that we shouldn't have to become a cop just so that we can recieve equal justice.

On a similar note, by the tone of your post it seems that you yourself or a family member are a member of law enforcement. just curious if there was any truth to this.
 
2003-01-31 01:56:17 AM  
obviously, that was directed towards TRIPLE
 
2003-01-31 02:14:17 AM  
I have a decent amount of family members in law enforcement, and I can tell you one thing without question: Cop killer cases ALWAYS get top priority. Is it 100% fair to us "ordinary joes", not really. However, it's the way human nature works. You look out for one of your own before you look out for the other guy. Not too say that police ignore other comparable crimes done to civilians, just that cop killers always are placed at the top of the list.

Things must have been different 45 years ago. If two cops were murdered today, every cop and reserve cop in a 5 city radius would be out looking for the perp. He most likely would have been caught rather quickly had this happened in 2003, especially if he was wounded and bleeding.
 
2003-01-31 03:02:38 AM  
I think it is especially important that cop killing cases get more attention than 'ordinary joe' killing cases. I am not a cop, neither are any members of my family cops.

My reasoning is this:
Police are placed into situations every day where their lives depend on the protection that the recognition of what their badge means grants. Because of more attention being placed on cop killing cases, people who might not put much stake in ending the lives of an 'ordinary joes' will think twice about killing a cop, because he/she knows that there is a much greater chance of getting caught and really having to pay for it. It is absolutely essential that people are afraid to kill cops, or else a lot more people would be doing it.

No, I don't think it's right that the deaths of 'ordinary joes' are giving second place priority, but I think the reason that they are is that the police just don't have enough manpower to give them the same attention that they do for cop killing cases. If that isn't the case, then that is an outrage and entirely unacceptible, but I think that it is the case.

Anyway, I don't think people are afraid enough of the law these days with penalties for these kinds of crimes being the way they are, but that's another issue entirely. I would never kill an innocent person and I would never rape someone, yet I could conceivably go to jail under certain circumstances *cough*piracy*cough**cough*. It doesn't make sense to me that the penalties for such different crimes are so similar, but, like I said, that's another issue entirely. =)
 
2003-01-31 03:05:47 AM  
That "neither" in my last post should have been "nor", shouldn't it? ... ... *hides English degree under the carpet*
 
2003-01-31 03:26:01 AM  
Da pig had it comin'

:-)
 
2003-01-31 03:42:59 AM  
In conjunction with Triple's somewhat inflamatory remark, it's just down to human nature. Just try to get a Dr., Dentist, ect to say another member of their field isnt good at what they do. Unless you know one well, they will not say anything even if they know your health/teeth/ect are being ruined by shiatty care. Butcher gets the best cuts.
 
2003-01-31 03:57:53 AM  
Nunyerbiz - "You look out for one of your own before you look out for the other guy.'

So the "equal protection under the law" clause in the constitution is bullshiat?
 
2003-01-31 04:31:00 AM  
Remember, just like youre probably freinds with the people you work with they are with the people they work with. If someone killed of of my freinds Id be out there hunting them down. Their not just looking out for another cop.

Sorry Iaminsane, you are not sanitary yet.
 
2003-01-31 04:39:02 AM  
I work in El Segundo and live nearby. This is very big news here. No sympathy for this guy. The slain cops still have family members in the area and they are still pissed after 45 years. I probably would be too.
 
2003-01-31 06:57:56 AM  
Nelno: I believe the length of the statute of limitations varies from crime to crime; for capital crimes it is usually infinite.

Also tax fraud. Ther is no statue of limitation. You moved 10k offshore 40 years ago and didnt claim it, the IRS will make you file revised tax forms plus penalty
 
2003-01-31 08:11:41 AM  
If someone killed of of my freinds Id be out there hunting them down.

Yeah, you and OJ.
 
2003-01-31 08:49:37 AM  
I'm beginning to think OJ may not have been telling the whole truth about his involvement in the deaths of Nicole and Ron Goldman.
Not saying he DID it...just not too certain he DIDN'T.
 
2003-01-31 10:33:16 AM  
From the description of teh evidence I would bet that they have great difficulty making the case stick unless he confesses (under torture, threats, whatever). They have no murder weapon, no credible witnesses (bet he doesn't look a bit like he did 45 years ago), just a flimsy connection to a stolen car. He probably did it, but I think they'll have a helluva time proving it unless he hands it to them on a platter.
 
2003-01-31 11:03:30 AM  
I would think a gunshot wound to the shoulder would leave a mark.

So, they may have a bit of evidence besides the fingerprint.
 
2003-01-31 11:15:10 AM  
"The message is, when it comes to killing a police officer, we don't forgive. We don't forget. We don't give up."

Uhh....sounds like you did give up for 4 decades or so. One officer had his curiosity piqued, and did a random Fingerprint search. Otherwise, case was stone cold dead for 45 years or so. Some crack police work there. The main message it sends is that police work is more often happenstance than dogged.
 
2003-01-31 11:43:36 AM  
So the "equal protection under the law" clause in the constitution is bullshiat?

some protections are more equal than others.

/orwell
 
2003-01-31 12:33:31 PM  
But I have to question whether or not it's worthwhile to even bother prosecuting someone who is 68 years old, and who, from what little information the article provided, has lived a rather productive (and law abiding) life since the incident.

Dkny, what if it was the other way around? What if he lived peacefully for 68 years and then committed two murders and a rape? Would that be better, worse, or the same?
 
2003-01-31 01:55:29 PM  
"because you "ordinary joes" dont risk your life to protect other ordinary joes, thats why. you want the special treatment, become a cop. until then, stfd."

Nice manners...
 
2003-01-31 02:03:16 PM  
Boulder PD could learn from these people...
 
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