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(CNN)   Singles with no kids often have to cover for all the leave that married people take. You would have submitted this with a better headline but that lady in accounting is pregnant again and you are too busy with all of her work and yours   (cnn.com) divider line 464
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2009-02-25 03:38:39 PM
And the trail of logic goes on. I'm married with no kids and I'm sick of paying the highest healthcare rates per capita in the company, as well as some of the highest taxes of any status. Single women with kids pay some of the lowest healthcare and taxes and get the most time off for everything from maternity leave to sick children. I'm sick of it, gimme gimme gimme!

I remember thinking the same as this article. First job out of college, going from 4 months of annual vacation to less than 1 week, prorated. I thought the whole world hated young, single people.
 
2009-02-25 03:43:39 PM
Having a kid is great. Not only do you get sick more often, you get to take off when the kid's sick!

\Plus you can deduct child care expenses
\\Win!
 
2009-02-25 03:47:56 PM
That's okay. I'll just console myself with all of this disposable time and income.

Bar after work? Sure!
 
2009-02-25 03:49:23 PM
if everybody in the company, single or married, gets the same amount of sick time, what's the issue?
 
2009-02-25 03:49:27 PM
My wife deals with this stuff all the time at her work.

"Oh, little Tommy has a tummy ache. Can you cover for me?"
"Gosh, little Mary has ballet lessons. I have to leave early."
"Goodness, little Billy got sent to the principal's office. I have to go."

She doesn't mind helping out her co-workers with kids but just once she'd like to have one of them thank her or, god forbid, make it up to her by doing her a favour every now and then.
 
2009-02-25 03:50:50 PM
absoluteparanoia: That's okay. I'll just console myself with all of this disposable time and income.

Bar after work? Sure!


That's a good enough trade off for me. I'll gladly cover for a working mom when her kid has the flu. It takes a village, after all.
 
Alo [TotalFark]
2009-02-25 03:52:41 PM
NikolaiFarkoff: And the trail of logic goes on. I'm married with no kids and I'm sick of paying the highest healthcare rates per capita in the company, as well as some of the highest taxes of any status. Single women with kids pay some of the lowest healthcare and taxes and get the most time off for everything from maternity leave to sick children. I'm sick of it, gimme gimme gimme!

I remember thinking the same as this article. First job out of college, going from 4 months of annual vacation to less than 1 week, prorated. I thought the whole world hated young, single people.


The world does hate single, young people. For a variety of reasons. Pregnancy leave is a good thing, in general, because it allows people to make enough to survive and still have kids (which is useful).

The problem comes from people feeling entitled to having kids and not having to have anything bad happen as a consequence. They think that even though they work less hours and have more reasons to leave suddenly (i.e. family emergencies), that they still deserve the rewards (promotions, raises) others get when they put in the time and put off having kids and such. In today's world, having kids is as pretty close as much a choice as having any elective surgery that would take you out of work for months.
 
2009-02-25 03:53:56 PM
When I lived alone, was single and had no girlfriend, and had no children living with me, my bosses would invariably schedule me to work holidays. Their thinking was that I obviously had no life, so could therefore work when everybody was supposed to be spending time with their family.

It didn't matter that I did much more work than my married cow-orkers with children. They were constantly making doctor appointments, taking children somewhere, getting children from somewhere, fretting over family issues, and the like.

Real fair ;)
 
2009-02-25 04:00:05 PM
DslainteC: My wife deals with this stuff all the time at her work.

"Oh, little Tommy has a tummy ache. Can you cover for me?"
"Gosh, little Mary has ballet lessons. I have to leave early."
"Goodness, little Billy got sent to the principal's office. I have to go."

She doesn't mind helping out her co-workers with kids but just once she'd like to have one of them thank her or, god forbid, make it up to her by doing her a favour every now and then.


Tell her to stop being a doormat... Does she ask for favors back?

absoluteparanoia: That's okay. I'll just console myself with all of this disposable time and income.

Bar after work? Sure!


No thanks, I'll just drink in the basement after the kid's asleep... again...
 
2009-02-25 04:01:38 PM
KyngNothing: No thanks, I'll just drink in the basement after the kid's asleep... again...

my man cave's in the basement, too. old recliner, tv, and fridge with beer. bonus: if i get toasted i can play with power tools
 
2009-02-25 04:05:52 PM
Alo:

The quick version of my response to that is this:
When I was single, I thought nothing about coming into work at 8 and leaving at 6 or 7 pm. Now I come in at 7 and leave at 4. I get more work done in fewer hours because I don't see my time quite as expendible as it used to be.

So in a sense, I say that as long as the work is getting done, the facetime thing is less important. But some people thrive on sheer hours, so I can see how they might get upset.
 
2009-02-25 04:06:33 PM
absoluteparanoia: That's okay. I'll just console myself with all of this disposable time and income.

Bar after work? Sure!


Weekend trip on a whim? Sure, why not!!

I'd love to have kids. When I'm done having fun.
 
2009-02-25 04:06:43 PM
KyngNothing: No thanks, I'll just drink in the basement after the kid's asleep... again...

Your loss. I'm gonna pick up some hookers and blow and then stay up all night polishing off the keg I couldn't finish at my house party friday.

See you Monday!
 
2009-02-25 04:13:05 PM
SpinStopper: When I lived alone, was single and had no girlfriend, and had no children living with me, my bosses would invariably schedule me to work holidays. Their thinking was that I obviously had no life, so could therefore work when everybody was supposed to be spending time with their family.

It didn't matter that I did much more work than my married cow-orkers with children. They were constantly making doctor appointments, taking children somewhere, getting children from somewhere, fretting over family issues, and the like.

Real fair ;)


I bumped into that alot when I worked retail. Then I got to be asst mgr & it was my duty to make the schedule. (insert maniacal, evil laugh here) I was fair though. I mean, when your 5 yr old has to go home sick, they have to go home sick. But I'd make sure they knew they were going to make up for those 2 hours eventually. Even if it was 30 minutes at a time over the next month.

I'm out of that world though. Now I have just as much Sick/Vaca time as anyone with kids. If they need to take 2 days off because Jr has the flu it counts against their PTO. I do notice a lot of the parents do get to skip out 20 minutes here, an hour there far more often though. But I'm not going to hold that against them. They usually get stuck making up for it another day.
 
2009-02-25 04:14:26 PM
absoluteparanoia: That's okay. I'll just console myself with all of this disposable time and income.

Bar after work? Sure!


Exactly.


As much as the childfree woman in me does not want children ever, and sees unfairness in the benefits parents get... the fact is we sorta need children for the future (I'm not one of those voluntary human extinction people)... and I adore other people's kids when I can give them back... because I like sleeping in ridiculously late on weekends and being able to do what I want when I want with little or no notice, while at the same time being perfectly able to splurge on really nice things once in a while.

There are pros and cons to both sides of having kids... You can biatch about the differences child-free/less and child-having people face, you can accept those differences for what they are, or you can try to change them.
 
2009-02-25 04:19:20 PM
Children should be banned.
 
2009-02-25 04:21:09 PM
The trade off is that I don't have to deal with kids. I'll happily spend a bit more time at work for that.
 
2009-02-25 04:23:52 PM
We are given a certain amount of 'personal time' which we can use for family issues and all that 'life' crap that comes up. There's no covering for anyone... it's just a matter of getting your own work done on time.

What I don't get is our librarian who has 7 kids and just married one of our testers who has 3 of his own. Even if they don't have to take much time off work, they still are living with a soccer team worth of kids which is just plain retarded.
 
Alo [TotalFark]
2009-02-25 04:24:05 PM
NikolaiFarkoff: Alo:

The quick version of my response to that is this:
When I was single, I thought nothing about coming into work at 8 and leaving at 6 or 7 pm. Now I come in at 7 and leave at 4. I get more work done in fewer hours because I don't see my time quite as expendible as it used to be.

So in a sense, I say that as long as the work is getting done, the facetime thing is less important. But some people thrive on sheer hours, so I can see how they might get upset.


The hours thing doesn't bother me at all. It's that most of them don't manage to get their work done, and expect people to pick up the slack for them, and then expect rewards for the work they DID do. I'm all for working less, I'm lazy as crap, but I'm efficient about it, so working less hours and getting the same amount done is find.

The biggest pet peeve I have with people who have kids, is that most of them never even notice, care, or seem grateful for others picking up things that they should be doing, while expecting the rewards others get for their hard work and picking up those same people's slack.
 
2009-02-25 04:26:29 PM
timujin: The trade off is that I don't have to deal with kids. I'll happily spend a bit more time at work for that.

Ladies and gents we have a winner.
You forgot to mention no spouse either if you're single.

I'm home today with a sick kid.
 
2009-02-25 04:27:43 PM
absoluteparanoia: That's okay. I'll just console myself with all of this disposable time and income.

Bar after work? Sure!


This, you bastard.

Where do these people work, that married people have infinite leave? If that's all it takes, seriously, fake marriage.
 
2009-02-25 04:28:34 PM
This is where the 70% pay comes from breeder-biatches!
 
2009-02-25 04:28:44 PM
 
2009-02-25 04:28:46 PM
KyngNothing: No thanks, I'll just drink in the basement after the kid's asleep... again...

Basement, eh? I still have an office for that, at least until the kid's too big for the nursery.

Dear single people: please call your married-with-kids friends. They miss having the illusion of a social life.
 
2009-02-25 04:28:51 PM
absoluteparanoia: That's okay. I'll just console myself with all of this disposable time and income.

Bar after work? Sure!


See you in a half hour...
 
2009-02-25 04:29:19 PM
Previous job was 2 shifts, 7 days a week. So to "be fair" they split it into 4 options -- 2 morning shifts, Sun-Thur or Tue-Sat and ditto in the evening. Cool.

Unless you were the guy with 2 kids and "(insert made up sport) practice" in which case you were given M-F and more manageable hours (starting 9ish instead of 6 or 7).

Yeh, that guy was well liked.
 
2009-02-25 04:29:20 PM
absoluteparanoia: That's okay. I'll just console myself with all of this disposable time and income.

Bar after work? Sure!


Amen brother.
 
2009-02-25 04:29:25 PM
I have to cover for a coworker all the damn time. His kid gets a stomach ache and he races home even when his wife is already there. Monday is was OMG asthma attack! and when we called later to see if he'd be in Tuesday morning his "deadly asthma attack" son told us that dad was taking a nap.

Fark that guy.
 
2009-02-25 04:29:34 PM
There have been a few days around here where every woman of child-bearing age was off work for a child-related excuse.

It is just the guys and the old ladies. They are the best days ever.
 
2009-02-25 04:30:34 PM
Alo:
The biggest pet peeve I have with people who have kids, is that most of them never even notice, care, or seem grateful for others picking up things that they should be doing, while expecting the rewards others get for their hard work and picking up those same people's slack.


Yeah, sounds more like a "kids as scapegoat" situation there. Some people can definitely use them as the most socially-acceptable excuse for everything.
 
2009-02-25 04:30:58 PM
That's pretty much going to be the explanation of my life, as I'm currently single and not planning on ever having any kids. But you know, I'm fine with that, because working extra shifts to cover for you married people means more money.

/going into an hourly not salary career
//will never work salary
 
2009-02-25 04:32:27 PM
NikolaiFarkoff: I thought the whole world hated young, single people.

They're jealous of our freedoms.
 
2009-02-25 04:32:31 PM
Now if only there was a way to both make smokers pay for their fair share of healthcare costs (read: 20 times non smokers) and to not get paid for taking a 10 minute break every hour....

Then we'd have something!
 
2009-02-25 04:33:21 PM
Sometime around '02, a single coworker noticed this and pointed it out to me. I agreed, ordered another beer, and went back to ogling the girl behind the bar for a few more years. He had a kid in '03.
 
2009-02-25 04:33:26 PM
NikolaiFarkoff: Alo:
The biggest pet peeve I have with people who have kids, is that most of them never even notice, care, or seem grateful for others picking up things that they should be doing, while expecting the rewards others get for their hard work and picking up those same people's slack.

Yeah, sounds more like a "kids as scapegoat" situation there. Some people can definitely use them as the most socially-acceptable excuse for everything.


Sorry, I have to take a two-hour lunch at the pub. It's for my kid.
 
2009-02-25 04:34:36 PM
I have a family and so does veryone in the office. We all try to be fair to one another, but there's always one. The worst offender is a person who has been told that she cannot be away during our busiest time, but she always finds a way. Prolly the most offensive act I have been privvy to is the mother who kicked and screamed for sick time as maternity leave. Pregnancy is not an illness.
 
2009-02-25 04:34:43 PM
what_now: absoluteparanoia: That's okay. I'll just console myself with all of this disposable time and income.

Bar after work? Sure!

Weekend trip on a whim? Sure, why not!!

I'd love to have kids. When I'm done having fun.


Problem with this is you end up working when your buddies are retiring so you can pay for college.

/45 with a 5-yr old....
 
2009-02-25 04:34:53 PM
unjustly rewards one group of people over another

What a crybaby society...what the hell were all of those party's I threw for then?

Oh yeah...so I could get drunk...

/nm
 
2009-02-25 04:35:01 PM
Maybe if one of the parents was home parenting this wouldn't be an issue. Need the two incomes for the 2.5 baths and SUV though.
 
2009-02-25 04:35:48 PM
tricycleracer: They're jealous of our freedoms.

No I hate you for your freedoms. If I wasn't so damn tired from the kids keeping me up I would so suicide bomb your happy arses.
 
2009-02-25 04:35:49 PM
shut up you whiney biatches!
 
2009-02-25 04:35:57 PM
I really don't mind if the kid is sick or something, but if you try to saddle me with work because lil Coady has to get to tiddlywinks practice you'll just find your shiat waiting for you in the AM.
 
2009-02-25 04:36:03 PM
News flash: Single people are bitter, resentful, feel like they deserve more out of life, and need to get laid more often.
 
2009-02-25 04:36:08 PM
with the world's Net population increasing at ~3 new souls/second, i say: have more kids, girls. do what you do best!!


/dev/null/republicans
 
2009-02-25 04:36:16 PM
Somebody call the WHAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE !
 
2009-02-25 04:36:18 PM
operbob: absoluteparanoia: That's okay. I'll just console myself with all of this disposable time and income.

Bar after work? Sure!

See you in a half hour... 26 minutes


Had to.

I have a kid, one, I had planned on having more, but I realize I can't handle more than one, I only hope I don't royally screw him up. My wife still manages to hit the bars though.
 
2009-02-25 04:36:24 PM
Are workers with kids treated differently? Not if Herbert Kornfeld has his way.

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Uh-huh. Yeah.
 
2009-02-25 04:36:32 PM
How the hell did you know the clown car in accounting was pregnant again? Tom?
 
2009-02-25 04:36:51 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: tricycleracer: They're jealous of our freedoms.

No I hate you for your freedoms. If I wasn't so damn tired from the kids keeping me up I would so suicide bomb your happy arses.


If you raise your kids a certain way, they'll gladly strap on a bomb and hop on the bus with me.
 
2009-02-25 04:37:16 PM
You gotta love single people. I love it when they can't get to work on time because they were up late drinking or boinking or whatever. I get up at 5am sometimes with my young'uns and still get to work before everyone else. Some nights when the kids are sick and can't sleep, one parent doesn't even get to sleep, and then has to go to work the next day, the horror!
 
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