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(Reason Magazine)   Although a crappy president, Jimmy Carter did one good thing: He legalized home brewing, leading to the craft beer revolution that makes American ales the most varied and inventive in the world   (reason.com) divider line 344
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2009-02-24 10:13:30 AM
Carter was the greatest president ever.

\Reagan sucked.
 
2009-02-24 10:29:27 AM
Yeah, that whole Middle East peace thing between Egypt and Israel was a giant clusterfark. Carter took all that positive energy we had going from the Nixon years and just flushed it straight down the toilet. Fack him.
 
2009-02-24 10:31:11 AM
It's nice that after thirty years of Republican propaganda insisting that Carter was the worst president evar, someone can admit he did even one good thing.
 
2009-02-24 10:33:00 AM
oldebayer: It's nice that after thirty years of Republican propaganda insisting that Carter was the worst president evar, someone can admit he did even one good thing.

It's a setup for later. They say Carter did these good things. Then when people call out Bush for his wholesale dicking of our nation, they'll shout, "UNFAIR! You're being over-critical. See, we even said these nice things about Carter, and everyone agrees that he was a categorical farkup."
 
2009-02-24 10:42:09 AM
I heard a middle-aged lady the other day say that Carter was guilty of "Making everyone think they deserved to have a house."

I thought she was actually criticizing Habitat for Humanity, but turns out she was talking about the current housing crisis. Is this seriously one of the current theories going around? I consider myself conservative/libertarian, but I'm careful about the company I keep.
 
2009-02-24 10:47:38 AM
He helped legalize the wholesale bribery of Congress.
 
2009-02-24 10:50:59 AM
He also paved the way for oil drilling in ANWR. Whew, not sure what we'd do without that!
 
2009-02-24 10:51:35 AM
HE'S HISTORY'S GREATEST MONSTER!
 
2009-02-24 10:56:10 AM
GaryPDX: All he did was order the revenuers to stand down. If you're drunk and stupid, you pay more taxes in other ways.

Actually, what he did was to remove the federal statute prohibiting brewing beer at home in certain quantities. State laws still were in effect and were removed afterward by state legislators.

Or not, in the case of...Mississippi, maybe? Alabama? Somewhere in the south it's still illegal to homebrew.
 
2009-02-24 10:58:19 AM
The American craft brew scene is pretty amazing and has become so in a very short time. The whole "nation of immigrants" thing is clearly seen as we'll frequently borrow beer styles and techniques from all over, sometimes combining them. Brewers have enormous respect for the traditions of Belgium, Germany, England, and others. Then there are the very American styles that frequently lean toward the big and hugely flavorful. So you can get an unmatched variety here. Brewers elsewhere are taking note and we're seeing some American craft beer influence back across the pond.

Happily, we're slowly returning to a time when every mid-sized city or larger has at least one local brewery and some even pop up in small towns.

NikolaiFarkoff
I thought she was actually criticizing Habitat for Humanity, but turns out she was talking about the current housing crisis. Is this seriously one of the current theories going around? I consider myself conservative/libertarian, but I'm careful about the company I keep.


The GOP hasn't been fiscally conservative in ages and most of them have been anything but libertarian in recent years. Given that I find it curious that most libertarians support Republican candidates. So how's that going?
 
2009-02-24 10:59:47 AM
Raging Primate:

Carter was the greatest president ever.

\Reagan sucked.


chicagoist.com

/ 0/10
// your troll-fu is weaker than Coors Light
 
2009-02-24 10:59:55 AM
So, when I was in college I had a class with a retired Ambassador who was a huuuuuuuge Reaganite. He was an old cold warrior who bought into the whole "Morning Again in America". He showed up "Red Dawn" in class.


anywho, one of my classmates- an IRL troll- did his thesis paper on why Carter was the best president of the whole cold war.

He made a REALLY strong argument, had a lot of first person sources, very articulately stated his case (it was a small class, we had to review each other's papers). The Ambsd gave him a A and wrote- "This is the biggest pile of crap I have ever read. Nice job".
 
2009-02-24 11:00:31 AM
patrick767: So how's that going?

I never mentioned the GOP. Most of those bastards can suck my ass.
 
2009-02-24 11:01:57 AM
patrick767: Happily, we're slowly returning to a time when every mid-sized city or larger has at least one local brewery and some even pop up in small towns.

We're not quite yet at the total number of breweries in this country that there were before Prohibition, but we'll get there someday. For one thing, pre-Prohibition didn't have the industry giants like we do now. Yes, the companies existed, but they were much smaller than they are now--instead of three huge companies, there were a dozen or so moderately large ones.
 
2009-02-24 11:02:01 AM
NikolaiFarkoff: patrick767: So how's that going?

I never mentioned the GOP. Most of those bastards can suck my ass.


Are you in a Minnesota airport restroom?

It could be arranged.

/low-hanging fruit
 
2009-02-24 11:02:28 AM
Hender: Somewhere in the south it's still illegal to homebrew.

In plenty of places in the south it's still illegal to BUY BEER.

My girlfriend tells me there are similar places in Connecticut, but I don't believe it.
 
2009-02-24 11:03:48 AM
Now if Obama would only legalize moonshining...
 
2009-02-24 11:05:44 AM
GaryPDX: Brewing spirits is as old as the Colonies..:) There really isn't much difference, except the Revenuers..:)

Considering that the Mayflower let their crew off at Plymouth Rock because the ship was out of beer, I agree with you.

destitute college kid: In plenty of places in the south it's still illegal to BUY BEER.

There are lots of dry counties around, yes. There are even more places where it's illegal to sell beer over a certain ABV--you know, for the children. So you're stuck with the shiat and can't get even good craft stuff to say nothing of some of the great imports.

And I checked--it's Alabama that is the last state in the country that prohibits homebrewing.
 
2009-02-24 11:08:04 AM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Now if Obama would only legalize moonshining...

If it was legal it wouldn't be "moonshining" now, would it?
 
2009-02-24 11:09:40 AM
destitute college kid: In plenty of places in the south it's still illegal to BUY BEER.

So...move. Or, run for local office and change the rules. Or draft a ballot measure.

Mass has some stupid liquor laws, but it really only restricts "where" I can buy booze, as we've overturned the "when" nonsense, and that doesn't really affect me very much, so I'm ok.
 
2009-02-24 11:11:02 AM
Bad Carter: Economic "malaise," tax increases, oil embargo, Desert One and the Iran Hostage debacle.
Good Carter: Legalized homebrewing.
Verdict: Break-even. ;)

destitute college kid: In plenty of places in the south it's still illegal to BUY BEER.

Oh yes. I have lots of friends in AF Intel, and the training for it is at Goodfellow AFB in Texas... in a dry county. Doh.

My girlfriend tells me there are similar places in Connecticut, but I don't believe it.

Believe it.
 
2009-02-24 11:11:30 AM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Now if Obama would only legalize moonshining...

Owning a still is legal if you use it for legitimate purposes such as making essential oils, and you have to prove on occasion that you're using it for such purposes. Outside of that, wink-wink nudge-nudge. I've met a few professional distillers and they all got their start by illegal home distilling. After all, how can you get a job in the industry without experience?

But note that the feds do take it seriously if they mind, and we're talking federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for no less than two years.
 
2009-02-24 11:11:53 AM
allenmwhite: If it was legal it wouldn't be "moonshining" now, would it?

Well, it ain't legal now, so it's a moot point. Besides, "sunshining" doesn't have the same ring to it.
 
2009-02-24 11:12:37 AM
what_now: Mass has some stupid liquor laws, but it really only restricts "where" I can buy booze, as we've overturned the "when" nonsense, and that doesn't really affect me very much, so I'm ok.

Yeah, I found that law weird when I was visiting my friends in Waltham. WTF? I can't buy beer in the grocery store? Of course, I have friends from the midwest who feel equally odd here--"WTF? You can't buy liquor in the grocery store?"
 
2009-02-24 11:13:04 AM
Hender: Owning a still is legal if you use it for legitimate purposes such as making essential oils...

Does whiskey count as an "essential oil"?
 
2009-02-24 11:13:28 AM
Hender: There are lots of dry counties around, yes. There are even more places where it's illegal to sell beer over a certain ABV--you know, for the children

which is nutty. kids want natural light, not a case of Weyerbacher Blithering Idiot barleywine
 
2009-02-24 11:15:17 AM
MasterThief: Oh yes. I have lots of friends in AF Intel, and the training for it is at Goodfellow AFB in Texas

hey, i was there for the exact same stuff. is central texas still a barren hellhole?
 
2009-02-24 11:15:50 AM
oldebayer: It's nice that after thirty years of Republican propaganda insisting that Carter was the worst president evar, someone can admit he did even one good thing.

if you want to really blow their minds, remind them that saint reagan instituted the largest tax increase in history.
 
2009-02-24 11:15:51 AM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Does whiskey count as an "essential oil"?

Sadly, no.

albo: which is nutty. kids want natural light, not a case of Weyerbacher Blithering Idiot barleywine

That's my primary argument against such laws, too. It's also because neo-Prohibitionists and drunk-driving activists want to limit the amount of alcohol people drink. Now the latter I support to an extent, but you're not going to find Dogfish Head 120 Minute IPA on tap anywhere, anyway.
 
2009-02-24 11:16:50 AM
Home brewing - good
Solved the white house tennis court scheduling crisis - good

Stopping the reprocessing of nuclear fuel - bad
Neutering US domestic nuclear energy production - bad

We are now several decades behind other countries in the area of civilian nuclear reactor technology

Price controls on gasoline - Bad

Not seeing a net gain here. My dad has said that everyone he knew was glad to see Carter go.
 
2009-02-24 11:18:20 AM
Hender: WTF? I can't buy beer in the grocery store?

It doesn't really bother me. I would still go to a specialty store for most of my beer because I like microbrews and craft beers, not bud light and heinkin. Same with wine- the BF picked up a wine snobbery in Europe, and has a pretty impressive collection. I doubt he'd be happy with the stuff a grocery would sell.

Also, the packy is closer to my house than the grocery, so if I just want a 12 of Sam Adams or a cheap Red to make sangria w/ I'd STILL go there.
 
2009-02-24 11:18:46 AM
Crosshair: Not seeing a net gain here. My dad has said that everyone he knew was glad to see Carter go.

There's also the Camp David Peace Accord between Egypt and Israel. Personally, I give the homebrewing thing double points.
 
2009-02-24 11:20:24 AM
GaryPDX: Just keep some gas cans near the still in case they do an inspection.

Something to run too, I suppose. I don't think that they'll buy that I'm trying to run my electric lawn mower on hooch.

/The lawn mower running on hooch, that is, not me.
 
2009-02-24 11:21:54 AM
what_now: destitute college kid: In plenty of places in the south it's still illegal to BUY BEER.

So...move. Or, run for local office and change the rules. Or draft a ballot measure.

Mass has some stupid liquor laws, but it really only restricts "where" I can buy booze, as we've overturned the "when" nonsense, and that doesn't really affect me very much, so I'm ok.


Yeah, he enjoyable road trips up 93 to NH on Sunday morning are a thing of the past.
 
2009-02-24 11:23:36 AM
albo: hey, i was there for the exact same stuff. is central texas still a barren hellhole?

Yup. Reminds me of a Far Side Cartoon, about fleas in a bar, and the caption is the flea bartender saying "You're a long way from Big Poodle, son. This here is Dead Skunk, and if I were you I'd just keep on walkin'."

/drove through there once
//once was enough
 
2009-02-24 11:24:19 AM
destitute college kid: In plenty of places in the south it's still illegal to BUY BEER.

the town of Slippery Rock in PA is a dry town i believe

/it was a few years ago
 
2009-02-24 11:25:40 AM
albo: Hender: There are lots of dry counties around, yes. There are even more places where it's illegal to sell beer over a certain ABV--you know, for the children

which is nutty. kids want natural light, not a case of Weyerbacher Blithering Idiot barleywine


Ha! I love that stuff. Two bottles = real strong buzz.
 
2009-02-24 11:26:07 AM
I live on the Colorado front range, so I got a kick out of that read.

Coming of drinking age here, where the concentration of microbreweries is near the highest in the world, every liquor store is a rich cornucopia of delightful new experiments and old favorites. Beer is in people's blood here, even when they haven't been drinking. The small business where I work employs several amateur home-brewers and we always have a keg of something tasty in the break room (right now it's New Belgium's 1554 black ale, a real treat).

Being a youngin' under 30 I had no idea that drinkers in the 70s had it so bad and I am very thankful to be alive in this time and place.
 
2009-02-24 11:31:05 AM
gustakooka: Ha! I love that stuff. Two bottles = real strong buzz.

you can do two bottles of that 11% lethality? in a row?

you're a better man that me
 
2009-02-24 11:31:24 AM
Fraggler: Coming of drinking age here, where the concentration of microbreweries is near the highest in the world

The key word being near. :) My hometown of Portland has you beaten.

/hometown pride
//I has it
 
2009-02-24 11:32:56 AM
albo: you can do two bottles of that 11% lethality? in a row?

you're a better man that me


Amateur. I have a 36 oz. mug at a local pub that I can regularly drink two of filled with 9%+ ABV beer. One night I did three, nothing under 10% ABV.

My face felt like it was made of lead the next day, but that's neither here nor there.
 
2009-02-24 11:35:27 AM
Hender: My face felt like it was made of lead the next day, but that's neither here nor there

ah, but you have to taste blithering idiot--the flavor is a bit overwhelming, not just the ABV
 
2009-02-24 11:39:46 AM
MasterThief: Goodfellow AFB in Texas... in a dry county. Doh

albo: i was there for the exact same stuff. is central texas still a barren hellhole?

Tom Green County is now wet. It is also not in Central Texas but is indeed still a hellhole as far as where it's located. San Angelo itself is actually not as tightassed as Abilene.

That being said, I'd like to see the restrictions on distilled spirits relaxed.
 
2009-02-24 11:40:35 AM
albo: ah, but you have to taste blithering idiot--the flavor is a bit overwhelming, not just the ABV

I haven't had it. I enjoy good barleywine, though, so I'm bound to have it at some point. We have a Barleywine Festival here in Portland next weekend, but it doesn't look like it's on the list. Is it an east coast brew? That might explain why I haven't had it. East coast distribution networks rarely get stuff out here aside from the bigger craft breweries like Victory.

Link (new window)
 
2009-02-24 11:43:24 AM
GaryPDX: Have you heard any breweries moving to Vancouver if this stupid tax gets enacted?

Nothing yet. I'm thinking it's not going to pass. It'll get scaled back and we'll see a modest increase (hell, even a 100% increase would still put us below the median per-barrel tax in the country) and the brewers will grumble but say yeah, it hasn't increased in 32 years, Oregon is facing a financial shortfall, it's probably time. In my opinion, this whole 1900% bullshiat is the Harriet Myers of tax increases so when it's withdrawn they can introduce the Samuel Alito one.
 
2009-02-24 11:43:34 AM
Hender: Is it an east coast brew?

weyerbacher is in easton PA. not a big brewery, but well-known mostly for its big beers
 
2009-02-24 11:45:17 AM
Hender: The key word being near. :) My hometown of Portland has you beaten.

Whatever, guy. I love the beers here and the ones shipped over from Portland, as well as everywhere else in this great land. It's not a contest.
 
2009-02-24 11:45:48 AM
albo: weyerbacher is in easton PA. not a big brewery, but well-known mostly for its big beers

It doesn't look like they have a distributor out here in Oregon, and I don't recognize any of their names or labels to boot. Bummer.
 
2009-02-24 11:47:57 AM
Fraggler: Whatever, guy. I love the beers here and the ones shipped over from Portland, as well as everywhere else in this great land. It's not a contest.

No of course, not--just a point of local pride.

That is, isn't until the GABF, when all of a sudden the Colorado breweries start talking about how many more medals they've won than any other states. Really? You mean that Colorado breweries win more medals for a Colorado event where they're allowed to submit their beers later than the out of state breweries who have to bring their beers in two weeks before? Shocking, I say!
 
2009-02-24 11:51:38 AM
Hender: albo: ah, but you have to taste blithering idiot--the flavor is a bit overwhelming, not just the ABV

I haven't had it. I enjoy good barleywine, though, so I'm bound to have it at some point. We have a Barleywine Festival here in Portland next weekend, but it doesn't look like it's on the list. Is it an east coast brew? That might explain why I haven't had it. East coast distribution networks rarely get stuff out here aside from the bigger craft breweries like Victory.

Link (new window)


Yeah, I think Weyerbacher is a PA brewery. I can drink a lot, but two Blithering Idiots in a row would probably be more than a good buzz.

The Old Horizontal from Victory is another good barleywine, but it's got a much stronger barley malty kind of flavor than Blithering Idiot.

Another good strong beer I like is the St Bernardus ABT 12. I think it's 11.5% ABV. Yummy, and it doesn't taste overly alcohol-ish, so be careful.
 
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