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NikolaiFarkoff		2009-02-23 01:16:25 PM

"Don't y'all MAKE me come have a dream up in there!"

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absoluteparanoia		2009-02-23 01:20:18 PM

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DjangoStonereaver		2009-02-23 01:25:18 PM

Pope Benedict XVI: Doing his best to drag the church, kicking
and screaming, into the 14th century.

Diogenes		2009-02-23 01:25:23 PM

Looks like Jesus has some more tables to turn over.

Weaver95		2009-02-23 01:28:53 PM

i'm thinking that there's a couple of folks on wall street that might want to invest in a few of these things.

elvisaintdead		2009-02-23 01:32:03 PM

this will end well.

fosborb		2009-02-23 01:39:38 PM

The cardinals elected Ratzinger as a stopgap Pope. He's conservative and old -- it was expected he wouldn't want to shake things up and he wouldn't live long enough even if he did want to.

Turns out when you have an infallible Pope hat, it doesn't take all that long to make radical reforms. That, and apparently 'paleoconservative' for the Catholics goes back a little bit more than 30 years.

Laz Long		2009-02-23 01:49:46 PM

U guess that I don't understand. I always thought that indulgences were used in the Crusades so that Christian knights could commit atrocities against Muslims with a clear conscience.

Laz Long		2009-02-23 01:50:45 PM

U = I (sigh)

mryoop789		2009-02-23 01:55:33 PM

I don't particularly like this pope. However, I am an American Catholic, and we don't let the pope boss us unless he makes sense.

ne2d		2009-02-23 01:56:16 PM

When the Church offered them for sale in the 1500s - call it mercy for money - religious reformer Martin Luther protested. These days, they can't be bought.

They can't be bought, but they can be obtained in exchange for a donation--see how that works?

Rannuci		2009-02-23 01:57:06 PM

Subby is a troll. The Church isn't pondering selling indulgences. The article misrepresents what indulgencies are and how they work and is a poorly written rip-off of the New York Times article from a couple of weeks ago.

CrankMyBlueSax		2009-02-23 01:58:53 PM

mryoop789: I don't particularly like this pope. However, I am an American Catholic, and we don't let the pope boss us unless he makes sense.

I find your beliefs fascinating from a purely comedic standpoint.

beerrun		2009-02-23 01:59:04 PM

Maybe they can sell Subby a dictionary.

Ryan2065		2009-02-23 02:01:36 PM

Oh, is this the thread where we bash the Catholics before reading the article?

FTA: It's no longer enough to repeat a prescribed number of prayers; you also have to do good, such as volunteer at a soup kitchen, help resettle refugees or donate to a worthy cause. Much like how many high schoolers have to fulfill a community-service requirement, Catholics are being urged to become do-gooders. "The church's teaching has evolved," Walsh says. "Part of indulgences is not just saying special prayers, but also doing good works."

Sybarite		2009-02-23 02:06:53 PM

Oooh, I'm going to buy some for rape, murder, arson and rape.

Mad Tea Party		2009-02-23 02:10:52 PM

fosborb: He's conservative and old -- it was expected he wouldn't want to shake things up and he wouldn't live long enough even if he did want to.

Dude, he's the pope. Being old, conservative, and able to speak Latin is in the job description.

DjangoStonereaver		2009-02-23 02:12:48 PM

CrankMyBlueSax: mryoop789: I don't particularly like this pope. However, I am an American Catholic, and we don't let the pope boss us unless he makes sense.

I find your beliefs fascinating from a purely comedic standpoint.

mryoop789 has a point: there are more than a few US
Catholics who are pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, etc.

Except that they're not the ones who are in charge of the church.
The ones who have all the power are the frothing at the mouth
single-issue anti-abortion voters who believe that it is a sin to
watch the Ellen DeGeneris show because it promotes the gay
agenda (actual quote from an acquaintance of mine who is quite
active in our local parish).

Make no mistake: As much as I truly admired and respected JPII,
the incremental backslide from the reforms of Vatican II began
under his watch, and even if Ratzinger was the true guiding force
to it, JPII's desire to modernize the church didn't extend very
far. The Vatican has taken an active hand in quelling US-based
liberalism in the church hierarchy, to the point of actually
micromanaging the liturgical behaviors of individual parishes
to ensure that no one espouses anything but the official
conservative church doctrine.

MasterThief		2009-02-23 02:16:41 PM

Rannuci: Subby is a troll. The Church isn't pondering selling indulgences. The article misrepresents what indulgencies are and how they work and is a poorly written rip-off of the New York Times article from a couple of weeks ago.

And... thread over, everyone go home, nothing to see here. Indulgences were a good idea, a way to encourage good works and prayer. Then some genius got the idea to sell them, and blammo, Catholics became the very things they preached against.

Ryan2065: Oh, is this the thread where we bash the Catholics before reading the article?

It's a Catholic-bashing thread! What's the point of a Catholic-bashing thread where people have facts and logic and history instead of the hot new wharrgarbl? Where's the fun in that?

/"There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church." -- Fulton Sheen

stickmangrit		2009-02-23 02:44:06 PM

DjangoStonereaver: CrankMyBlueSax: mryoop789: I don't particularly like this pope. However, I am an American Catholic, and we don't let the pope boss us unless he makes sense.

I find your beliefs fascinating from a purely comedic standpoint.

mryoop789 has a point: there are more than a few US
Catholics who are pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, etc.

Except that they're not the ones who are in charge of the church.
The ones who have all the power are the frothing at the mouth
single-issue anti-abortion voters who believe that it is a sin to
watch the Ellen DeGeneris show because it promotes the gay
agenda (actual quote from an acquaintance of mine who is quite
active in our local parish).

Make no mistake: As much as I truly admired and respected JPII,
the incremental backslide from the reforms of Vatican II began
under his watch, and even if Ratzinger was the true guiding force
to it, JPII's desire to modernize the church didn't extend very
far. The Vatican has taken an active hand in quelling US-based
liberalism in the church hierarchy, to the point of actually
micromanaging the liturgical behaviors of individual parishes
to ensure that no one espouses anything but the official
conservative church doctrine.

let me know when you guys are ready to forcibly seize power, cause i'd probably come back if HRCC decided to become the one sane branch of the tree.

BuckTurgidson		2009-02-23 03:03:35 PM

Fail - what the article describes appears to be nothing like the selling of indulgences.

After all, what does the Church need with more money or possessions, when absolute poverty was good enough for Our Savior?

MaxxLarge		2009-02-23 03:04:07 PM

Huh. You mean Catholicism CHANGES? I thought the Pope was supposed to be the mouthpiece for the almighty? I mean, it's not like he's President...where if the last guy did something unpopular or damaging or that you didn't like you can just toss it out.

Gosh. Maybe there really IS no god and they're just making it all up as they go along in an attempt to justify their own existence and exert control?

Someday the rest of the world will catch up to what a lot of us have already figured out. Namely, that without fail, Religion + Time = Mythology.

Ryan2065		2009-02-23 03:13:42 PM

MaxxLarge: Huh. You mean Catholicism CHANGES? I thought the Pope was supposed to be the mouthpiece for the almighty? I mean, it's not like he's President...where if the last guy did something unpopular or damaging or that you didn't like you can just toss it out.

Yes, the Catholics change... You seem to think that the Pope is infallible, but he isn't.

ninjakirby		2009-02-23 03:25:49 PM

Christians have been attempting to buy their way out of hell for decades, the Catholic church is just playing catch-up.

Aarontology		2009-02-23 04:35:05 PM

Sybarite: Oooh, I'm going to buy some for rape, murder, arson and rape.

You said rape twice.

abb3w		2009-02-23 04:36:55 PM

RC can haz white smoke?

sleeping martyr		2009-02-23 04:44:10 PM

Aarontology: Sybarite: Oooh, I'm going to buy some for rape, murder, arson and rape.

You said rape twice.

He likes rape.

MensRea		2009-02-23 04:55:24 PM

Why not? They're popular enough with the carbon offsets believers.

HunterNIU		2009-02-23 04:56:32 PM

/and again for good measure

tenpoundsofcheese		2009-02-23 04:57:53 PM

why not, the ~~science~~ religion of global ~~warming~~ climate change is selling carbon credits as indulgences.

WooWarrior		2009-02-23 04:58:52 PM

Ein Minuten, bitte. Ich habe einen kleinen problemo avec diese Religione.

/He was from everywhere.

zavier		2009-02-23 05:00:03 PM

It's like a carbon credit, but holier.

Oldiron_79		2009-02-23 05:00:36 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: why not, the ~~science~~ religion of global ~~warming~~ climate change is selling carbon credits as indulgences.

Exactly.

mepoindexter		2009-02-23 05:00:43 PM

THEMorUS		2009-02-23 05:01:12 PM

They need to boost business in along with all they other business besides selling holy water,prayer beeds,candles,even bibles they sell etc
Ratslinger needs more gold faucets,and gold cups to drink from.

MemeSlave		2009-02-23 05:01:27 PM

Isn't easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter heaven? I guess Papa Palpatine wants to make sure they're not rich when he's done with them.

Colonel_Debugger		2009-02-23 05:03:01 PM

They're just jumping on the popularity of that carbon credit bullshiat.

airsupport		2009-02-23 05:03:06 PM

Martin Luther seen readying theses.

Gosling		2009-02-23 05:03:36 PM

Wasn't Ratzinger supposed to be a placeholder?

Jim_Callahan		2009-02-23 05:03:38 PM

Laz Long: U guess that I don't understand. I always thought that indulgences were used in the Crusades so that Christian knights could commit atrocities against Muslims with a clear conscience.

Committing atrocities, or anything else that sends you to hell, will not be affected by indulgences. You're thinking of confession.

Indulgences are about how much time the righteous have to sit around in purgatory... though initially the theory was that everyone but the saints got to wait there until the day of judgment, not sure when that one changed exactly.

Some_Hot_Chick		2009-02-23 05:03:41 PM

Laz Long: U guess that I don't understand. I always thought that indulgences were used in the Crusades so that Christian knights could commit atrocities against Muslims with a clear conscience.

The pope at the time actually got the idea for that indulgence from the Muslims themselves, who automatically got into paradise for being "martyred" in a holy war.

Dwight_Yeast		2009-02-23 05:03:56 PM

Ryan2065: You seem to think that the Pope is infallible, but he isn't.

Actually, according to the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, he is.

CygnusDarius		2009-02-23 05:05:53 PM

Dear Catholic Church:

Remember how the Protestants started? Yeah, shiat like this. Please, if you don't want to start even more people from the church, just stop.

The rest of the sane members of the catholic church

Mugato		2009-02-23 05:06:28 PM

BuckTurgidson: After all, what does the Church need with more money or possessions, when absolute poverty was good enough for Our Savior?

I suppose they could put the collection plate away and sell some of the mountains of gaudy shiat they have in their churches but then

bixpchiphead		2009-02-23 05:06:39 PM

What, no Dogma?

/disappointed

mercator_psi		2009-02-23 05:07:17 PM

43 posts and nothing from Dogma?

Shame, shame...

/walks out shaking head forlornly

gerrychampoux		2009-02-23 05:07:18 PM

Indulgences are to reduce your time in purgatory?
Didn't the last pope declare that purgatory didn't exist?

Boondock3806		2009-02-23 05:07:19 PM

Indulgences? Why yes, I'll take 2 please!

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Some_Hot_Chick		2009-02-23 05:07:44 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Ryan2065: You seem to think that the Pope is infallible, but he isn't.

Actually, according to the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, he is.

Actually, according to the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, the pope is only infallible when he invokes the doctrine and says something ex cathedra (Latin for "from the throne," ie the seat of St. Peter). The ex cathedra right has actually only been invoked something like three times EVER, one of which was to reiterate Papal Infallibility. It's only used to clarify doctrine and does not apply to everything the pope says.