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2009-02-22 02:27:11 PM
Gas taxes encourage people to buy fuel efficient cars, which cuts down our trade deficit. Unfortunately, you pretty much have to buy a foreign car to get really good fuel economy, so the trade deficit goes back up. If only there was a way to get U.S. car companies to produce more efficient cars, you know, some sort of leverage, like if they wanted something from us...

Gas tax should go mostly into mass transit and other projects to get us off of huge amounts of oil. It should also be partially be offset by repealing a tax that you pretty much have to pay, like income tax (particularly on the poor).
 
2009-02-22 02:27:21 PM
HoboSong: As a recent smoker and drinker who doesn't drive, I feel compelled to say "Ha ha"

Oh, you'll still feel the pinch. Transport prices are going to rise accordingly, so you'll see a ripple effect as businesses pass those costs along to the consumer.
 
2009-02-22 02:29:31 PM
Connecticut is thinking about taxing mileage, too. What, is the company that does these systems shopping them around state to state?
 
2009-02-22 02:30:01 PM
Weaver95: HoboSong: As a recent smoker and drinker who doesn't drive, I feel compelled to say "Ha ha"

Oh, you'll still feel the pinch. Transport prices are going to rise accordingly, so you'll see a ripple effect as businesses pass those costs along to the consumer.


Given the fact that Bush left us the 2nd Great Depression, yes, I am fully expecting to feel the pinch. Its just nice to see them aiming it at the self righteous for a change.
 
2009-02-22 02:30:52 PM
HoboSong: Its just nice to see them aiming it at the self righteous for a change.

You mean Democrats?
 
2009-02-22 02:32:25 PM
Tat'dGreaser: HoboSong: Its just nice to see them aiming it at the self righteous for a change.

You mean Democrats?


Nope, soccer moms
 
2009-02-22 02:33:44 PM
HoboSong: Tat'dGreaser: HoboSong: Its just nice to see them aiming it at the self righteous for a change.

You mean Democrats?

Nope, soccer moms


Yea, Democrats.
 
2009-02-22 02:33:57 PM
Glad to see that the $65/mo tax cuts the republicans fought for that should have been money given to states will go to pay increased state gas taxes. Just so they can barely afford band-aid fixes instead of true projects.

In the end we got 0 improvements, 0 job increases & just more angry at the republican friendly gas companies. Good thinking there republicans.
 
2009-02-22 02:35:43 PM
CokeBear: Why not get rid of all those gas taxes and instead implement a nationwide Carbon Tax instead. Set the price of all carbon based products to slowly rise over a 15 year period, so as to be completely predictable, and allow industry and consumers to adapt. At the end of 15 years, price of carbon will be so high that only an idiot would still drive (or manufacture) a guzzler, but because the change was gradual and everyone knew about it in advance, all the alternatives would be in place. (also carbon emissions would drop in a big way).
Bonus: We start paying off the national debt! If the debt gets down to a reasonable level from carbon taxing, then reduce personal income taxes. Everybody wins!
(and before you start whining that the price of everything will go up, I guarantee that this plan will cause innovative folks to find ways to do the same things they did before, but with less carbon. A whole new economy develops around new technologies that would be invented!


Carbon tax? haha, have you ever taken even a basic high-school chemistry class? Damn near everything has SOME carbon in it. This is almost as brilliant as that whole Child Safety law that just went into effect at the beginning of the month
 
2009-02-22 02:36:24 PM
Damn, I was hoping it was the federal gov't. I haven't trotted out my "I guess only rich people buy gas" comment since 1992.

Did anyone not see this coming? We paid $4+ a gallon without revolting so they know they can get away with it.
 
2009-02-22 02:37:53 PM
HoboSong: Tat'dGreaser: HoboSong: Its just nice to see them aiming it at the self righteous for a change.

You mean Democrats?

Nope, soccer moms


Nicely played...

meanwhile, it will also reach all of those poor people who can't afford to trade their 1973 Dodge Pickup for a Prius... it will reach every pizza delivery driver, every visiting nurse service nurse, every Merry Maid, and so on... the gas tax is a regressive tax, hitting the poor the hardest... taxes suck, but if you really want to make a meaningful tax, set up Toll Booths everywhere, and implement EZ Pass nationwide. We'd stop driving in a heartbeat
 
2009-02-22 02:39:29 PM
eddyatwork: The difference is that you don't need to smoke or drink in order to live your life but most people in the US rely on a car. Even in urban areas with mass transit you still need a car much of the time.

Your belief that you need a car is as flawed as the individuals that think they need alcohol or smokes.

You can get by without one. You won't like it, but you will survive.

They had this thing a few years back, I think they called it walking. You should try it.
 
2009-02-22 02:41:31 PM
Good, everyone SHOULD raise hell about more gas taxes.

Nobody NEEDS cigarettes or alcohol...they are luxuries.

Gasoline is not.
 
2009-02-22 02:43:12 PM
Just sayin'

Most states sell loose tobacco without the cigarette tax, meaning you can buy two cartons worth of tobacco in tins for $12.

They make filter-cigarette stuffer starter kits for about $15, me, I just roll my one smokes.

Happy cancer!
 
2009-02-22 02:44:25 PM
Gasoline is SUCH a luxury.
 
2009-02-22 02:49:23 PM
I'm getting sick of all these taxes and the excessive spending. I just turned 25 today, and when my pack of smokes goes up even more, fark it, I quit. I hate the gov't that much.

And with this spending bill... since when does the federal gov't pay for state roads (highways are the exception, of course).. they keep raising the toll on the NJ Turnpike, Parkway and the GWB.. I'm sure that goes for any pay-road in the country.. where does the farking money go!?

If I'm spending $10 to go one way on a bridge, and millions of vehicles pay that fee monthly, that should be more than enough for the upkeep of our "crumbling infrastructure".

The gov't is too big and spends too much!
 
2009-02-22 02:49:40 PM
Kahabut: Your belief that you need a car is as flawed as the individuals that think they need alcohol or smokes.

You can get by without one. You won't like it, but you will survive.

They had this thing a few years back, I think they called it walking. You should try it.


Yeah... even with my bicycle (which I've ridden to my primary job on many occasions and will again when the weather gets nice again) I can't get to my second job in under 4 hours. With my car, it's about 40 minutes on a good day. My primary job's 4 miles away and if I have to I can walk, but in -10 degree windchill, it's nice to have a car. You may live above the pizza place where you work, but the rest of us tend to need a car more often than not.
 
2009-02-22 02:50:26 PM
Since most American voters are too retarded to remember who is screwing them come Election Day, you get the tar, I'll get the feathers...........
Seriously, PAY ATTENTION when the state lawgivers cast their vote. Make it clear to them that you WILL make it your personal business to see that they get voted out. Most aren't afraid of this since the average voter won't put down their People Magazine long enough to see how their reps vote and the trough feeders know this. Make your opinion count. Call them, write to them and then FOLLOW THROUGH on election day.
 
2009-02-22 02:51:58 PM
godofusa.com: The gov't is too big and spends too much!


Now we just need every one of us to send this message to our Congressmen/women and when they don't listen (they won't) we have to VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE.

We won't. We have the government we deserve. We did for the last 16 years, and we will for the next 8 or more...
 
2009-02-22 02:53:37 PM
tzzhc4: You are dealing with classic tax/spend Democrats who are reading from FDR's playbook. They didn't learn their lessen back then or over the last 70+ years why do you expect them to learn it now? They will just continue to blame Bush even though most of the policies that set this crash in motion were signed/enacted by Clinton.

Hee hee! I can't believe I was worried that Obama's election would lead to a reduction in the "b-b-b-but Clinton!!!1!1!" posts. Truly, the 90s were a hellish, dark time in our nation's history. ESPECIALLY economically.

Hey, buddy... it doesn't stop there, either. We're going to disband the army, have Judge Judy cancelled, and force your grandsons to attend taxpayer-funded Heterosexual Re-Education Camps, too. All hail the Dark Lord CLIN-TON and his vice-regent Obama, from whom all evil flows!
 
2009-02-22 02:54:07 PM
eddyatwork: The difference is that you don't need to smoke or drink in order to live your life but most people in the US rely on a car. Even in urban areas with mass transit you still need a car much of the time.

Not if your urban area has something more than mass transit that only gets paid lip service. I got rid of my car 5 years ago before moving to Chicago. For the twice a month that having a car is handy (i.e. trips to the grocery store and the occasional Costco trip) I use a car sharing service. At my old place I didn't even need a car for that -- the grocery store was at the bottom of my building.

I take mass transit most places or walk, and try to only use cabs either when my work is paying for them or it's late at night and the necessary buses aren't running. The only thing you really need a car for here is if you're a golfer.

And our transit system kinda blows compared to some other major cities.
 
2009-02-22 02:56:12 PM
media.economist.com
 
2009-02-22 02:56:47 PM
Nobody needs a car because everybody lives and works in large cities with great public transit.
 
2009-02-22 03:00:50 PM
Kahabut: They had this thing a few years back, I think they called it walking. You should try it.

You've obviously never lived in a rural or even suburban area. In places like that there simply is no mass transit. My hometown for example has less than 10K people and if you want to go anywhere you either hoof it which takes forever or you drive. There's an industrial park about five miles away where most of the locals work and walking five miles each way isn't exactly practical. Yeah you CAN do it, but is it practical?
 
2009-02-22 03:01:22 PM
CokeBear: Why not get rid of all those gas taxes and instead implement a nationwide Carbon Tax instead. Set the price of all carbon based products to slowly rise over a 15 year period, so as to be completely predictable, and allow industry and consumers to adapt. At the end of 15 years, price of carbon will be so high that only an idiot would still drive (or manufacture) a guzzler, but because the change was gradual and everyone knew about it in advance, all the alternatives would be in place. (also carbon emissions would drop in a big way).
Bonus: We start paying off the national debt! If the debt gets down to a reasonable level from carbon taxing, then reduce personal income taxes. Everybody wins!
(and before you start whining that the price of everything will go up, I guarantee that this plan will cause innovative folks to find ways to do the same things they did before, but with less carbon. A whole new economy develops around new technologies that would be invented!


ALL Carbon-based products? Really? You're that effing retarded?
 
2009-02-22 03:02:24 PM
Blitzer

So the US has the lowest gas tax among 18 "selected countries" (of about 200 countries on Earth, total). Meh, what does that really say?

/lies, damned lies, and statistics, etc., etc.
 
2009-02-22 03:02:43 PM
MIguy: Nobody needs a car because everybody lives and works in large cities with great public transit.

They also have six figure salaries and only work plush IT jobs don't forget.
 
2009-02-22 03:03:27 PM
what_now: GaryPDX: I'm going to adopt a horse. They eat grass and in a pitch, you can eat them.

HA! Horses are a lot more expensive that you think. Vet bills, farrier bills to start with, plus you'll need to buy saddlery and riding lessons, and you can't just "feed them grass" unless you have a TON of acerage. Also, in the winter you need to feed them hay and oats.

You SHOULD feed them oats and bran all the time, if you want high performance.

You should be able to adopt one though- people can't afford them anymore and are releasing them to the ASPCA

/adopted my pony from the ASPCA as a kid
//she went to live on a farm. :(


Don't discourage him! I was looking forward to the "GaryPDX buys a horse" blog.

I can see it now:

Starts out as "This horse is awesome! It looks like Ann Coulter!"
Then he complains about the costs of owning a horse,
Slowly comes to hate the horse,
Then sells/eats the horse and firmly decries that horses are a liberal means of transportation.
Then deletes all comments with pictures of General Patton and his horse.
 
2009-02-22 03:06:24 PM
All three have huge negative externalities. Smoking raises health costs, as does alcohol. Alcohol also raises your law enforcement costs. Gas raises health and environmental costs as well as paying for the enemy's costs in the GWOT. Why not recoup some of the money? I guess we should tax food and low income housing instead.
 
2009-02-22 03:17:05 PM
eddyatwork: MIguy: Nobody needs a car because everybody lives and works in large cities with great public transit.

They also have six figure salaries and only work plush IT jobs don't forget.


When you live in Renraku Arcology you get to be smug at all the peons that live in houses like idiots.
 
2009-02-22 03:18:30 PM
Triaxis: Cigarettes - Not a necessity of life
Alcohol- Not a necessity of life

Gasoline - Necessity of life. Fark you Al Gore, using gasoline isn't a sin and it's not killing the planet. Hurry up and die please.



Nice troll dickhead.
 
2009-02-22 03:18:42 PM
jshine: Blitzer

So the US has the lowest gas tax among 18 "selected countries" (of about 200 countries on Earth, total). Meh, what does that really say?

/lies, damned lies, and statistics, etc., etc.


It means we work to promote cheap and easy tranportion in a large nation that is not particularly centralized or densely populated.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2009-02-22 03:19:09 PM
semiotix: tzzhc4: You are dealing with classic tax/spend Democrats who are reading from FDR's playbook. They didn't learn their lessen back then or over the last 70+ years why do you expect them to learn it now? They will just continue to blame Bush even though most of the policies that set this crash in motion were signed/enacted by Clinton.

Hee hee! I can't believe I was worried that Obama's election would lead to a reduction in the "b-b-b-but Clinton!!!1!1!" posts. Truly, the 90s were a hellish, dark time in our nation's history. ESPECIALLY economically.

Hey, buddy... it doesn't stop there, either. We're going to disband the army, have Judge Judy cancelled, and force your grandsons to attend taxpayer-funded Heterosexual Re-Education Camps, too. All hail the Dark Lord CLIN-TON and his vice-regent Obama, from whom all evil flows!



www.theodoresworld.net

RACIST !!!! You know better than to say anything bad about Clinton ....
 
2009-02-22 03:19:21 PM
So, cars get taxed because they need gas. So there's less money out of my pocket. Police and fire departments will be spending more on gas because they'll be paying that tax, so that gets passed onto me in a higher sales tax. Restaurants and stores need products to sell. The factory that made them will be charged a higher rate to cover the gas, they'll pass that on to the warehouse, who will pass that on, plus the one they had to pay to the store, who will pass all of that on to me again. So really, not only would I be paying for my gas tax increase, but I'll be paying the tax, with everyone else, that businesses will eventually pass down to anyone who spends money.

Yeah, this is such a good idea. In a recession, people are doing their damnedest to make every dollar stretch and the government wants to take more of it.
 
2009-02-22 03:22:06 PM
tzzhc4: You are dealing with classic tax/spend Democrats who are reading from FDR's playbook. They didn't learn their lessen back then or over the last 70+ years why do you expect them to learn it now? They will just continue to blame Bush even though most of the policies that set this crash in motion were signed/enacted by Clinton.

How is the weather on YOUR planet?
 
2009-02-22 03:24:07 PM
RagingLeonard


Thread over. You can quit smoking, and you can quit drinking, but only senate democrats will be happy if you quit driving to work.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2009-02-22 03:25:16 PM
lajimi: tzzhc4: You are dealing with classic tax/spend Democrats who are reading from FDR's playbook. They didn't learn their lessen back then or over the last 70+ years why do you expect them to learn it now? They will just continue to blame Bush even though most of the policies that set this crash in motion were signed/enacted by Clinton.

How is the weather on YOUR planet?



www.simplephrase.com
 
2009-02-22 03:27:28 PM
AuCinaoaMie: RagingLeonard: Well, I don't put whiskey or Winstons into my gas tank to help get to my job.

I do put whiskey in my tank to get around, but I make it myself from a very common weed, not weed though. :) They can tax gasoline all they want, I don't mind at all since I am not paying for gasoline.

I do however pay road tax, but it is less than the check I get from the IRS for making my own fuel, and it is only for the fuel I actually burn on the highway. Since most of mine goes into my 700 hp drag toy, that gets about 12 mpg on a good day. :)

Keep complaining, but don't actually do anything to make it better for yourself. That is the American way circa 2009


Because a whole bunch of people have the knowledge and access to distill large amounts of high proof alcohol. Now lets give them the acres they need to grow that much vegetable matter. Now for them to convert their gas engines to alchohol in a reasonable matter. Its fine for small scale but large scale doesn't work really really well at the moment.
 
2009-02-22 03:28:59 PM
History repeats itself.

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2009-02-22 03:30:31 PM
Fomby_Belcher: History repeats itself.



LEADS TO


We're going to rebel against the English again?
 
2009-02-22 03:34:55 PM
Fano: jshine: Blitzer

So the US has the lowest gas tax among 18 "selected countries" (of about 200 countries on Earth, total). Meh, what does that really say?

/lies, damned lies, and statistics, etc., etc.

It means we work to promote cheap and easy tranportion in a large nation that is not particularly centralized or densely populated.



Well, my point was that, depending on how those 18 countries were chosen, it could mean that the US has the absolute lowest gas taxes on Earth, or that we're in the upper 90th percentile, or anywhere in between.
 
2009-02-22 03:39:16 PM
Ludovicus: I don't mind the liquor tax, because it doesn't take me two gallons of Jack Daniels just to get to work and back.

Speak for yourself
 
2009-02-22 03:50:56 PM
Becuase Liquor and Cigs are on the same level as Fuel is in every day life. Maybe if you are an addict...
 
2009-02-22 03:54:17 PM
I don't live 2 hours away from my job nor do i live in some clusterfarlk development that is rural/suburban where the nearest supercenter is 45 minutes away, so raise it all you want. I'll somehow absorb the extra nickel that will be reflected in my grocery prices as a result.

If you don't like it, don't use it.
 
2009-02-22 03:56:15 PM
godofusa.com: I'm getting sick of all these taxes and the excessive spending. I just turned 25 today, and when my pack of smokes goes up even more, fark it, I quit. I hate the gov't that much.

And with this spending bill... since when does the federal gov't pay for state roads (highways are the exception, of course).. they keep raising the toll on the NJ Turnpike, Parkway and the GWB.. I'm sure that goes for any pay-road in the country.. where does the farking money go!?

If I'm spending $10 to go one way on a bridge, and millions of vehicles pay that fee monthly, that should be more than enough for the upkeep of our "crumbling infrastructure".

The gov't is too big and spends too much!


New Jersey recieves something like 60¢ in federal spending for every dollar it pays in taxes. Thats why your taxes are high and your tolls keep going up. The Feds have paid to maintain state highways ever since they became part of the Interstate system, which the turnpike is.

The George Washington Bridge is owned by the Port Authority. The tolls go to maintain a variety of the Port Authority's property like the PATH train, Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, The Port of Newark, The Port of New York, JFK, LaGuardia, Newark, Teterboro and Stewart airports and the Bus Terminal in Times Square.

They are also rebuilding the World Trade Center, a project that is blowing through cash because of cost overruns and penalties paid for failing to meet certain deadlines.

All these things cost a lot of money and the Port Authority is less likely to get increased funding from either New York or New Jersey so they raise your tolls to keep paying for things.
 
2009-02-22 04:01:55 PM
We don't need a monkey or monkeys raising our taxes to what Al Gore considers prevent global warming levels, they will get shot by a raging mob or police officer.
 
2009-02-22 04:02:00 PM
srhp29: Becuase Liquor and Cigs are on the same level as Fuel is in every day life. Maybe if you are an addict...

Are you in denial? So you're not hooked on gas? Not dependant? Oh, I see, you're just better than the common addict
 
2009-02-22 04:03:04 PM
Cigs are bad for you.

Booze is bad for you.

Driving's only bad for the environment. Woopie.
 
2009-02-22 04:05:39 PM
Haoie: Cigs are bad for you.

Booze is bad for you.

Driving's only bad for the environment. Woopie.


More people are killed by cars than by drinking and smoking combined.
 
2009-02-22 04:08:05 PM
HoboSong: Haoie: Cigs are bad for you.

Booze is bad for you.

Driving's only bad for the environment. Woopie.

More people are killed by cars than by drinking and smoking combined.


Yeah, but it's mostly self defence. The car is just following instinct.
 
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