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2009-02-19 03:10:17 PM  
FarkinHostile: LisaLisaLisa

Freakpower: I know kung fu

Show me.

Buzz!

I'm sorry, the correct answer is "Woah!".


Judges overrule the peanut gallery.

The correct quote is, in fact, "Show me."

The correct spelling is, in fact, "Whoa".

/don't mess with the Texas geek, son.
 
2009-02-19 03:10:49 PM  
Yeah, if someone tried that gay move on me I'd get em with my inside axe kick, I call it the widow maker. I'd show you but I had to register my hands as lethal weapons. Stupid friggin government.

Hopefully this is not obscure.
 
2009-02-19 03:11:15 PM  
No Austin Powers?

Also, typing 'Judo Chop' into GIS with SS off... I don't want to know how 'Judo Chop' relates to those four guys. Srsly.
 
2009-02-19 03:16:36 PM  
Ed Grubermann: loonatic112358: i want to make a boot to the head reference, but do i go with Ti Kwan Leep, and ed gruberman

Oh, yeah? Try it now, shrimp!

/It's not like I can read every thread in a timely manner.


I've been scrolling for like, minutes, waiting for Ed to appear.



/I leave happily.
//Not as happy as when I came.
///that was a "punne" or play-on-words.
//Who's not a Rick Green fan?
/Slashies for Canadian sketch com!
 
2009-02-19 03:18:35 PM  
ObscureNameHere: stingrza: bigheadface: PC LOAD LETTER: Ummm...judo has no strikes in it. There are plenty of holds, so I am guessing that's where the judo came in, but if you strike in judo, you are really doing jujutsu.

no

I was waiting for the first person to show up and not know the difference between jujutsu and jiu-jitsu. Congratulations, you're him.

What about jew-jitsu?


Well, bagels are made from jew-dough.
 
2009-02-19 03:18:38 PM  
Monkey MKIII: No Austin Powers?

Also, typing 'Judo Chop' into GIS with SS off... I don't want to know how 'Judo Chop' relates to those four guys. Srsly.


so I went to GIS, turned off safe search, and tried it, and... there's nothing that I can see that would justify this comment.

Then I realized, "Wait, am I disappointed to have not seen something that would probably scar me for life?"
 
2009-02-19 03:21:26 PM  
 
2009-02-19 03:32:49 PM  
Sym_pathetic: Dude got blown from behind?

www.oentertainment.com
 
2009-02-19 03:33:15 PM  
bill4935: Ed Grubermann: Oh, yeah? Try it now, shrimp!

I've been scrolling for like, minutes, waiting for Ed to appear.
/I leave happily.


I'm glad my mere existence can bring joy into your life.
 
2009-02-19 03:37:29 PM  
PC LOAD LETTER

The Kodokan does not list it on their website in the list of Judo waza (^).


Huh. That is what I get for reading books instead of getting with the times. :)

This forum shows what I am talking about: some schools teach it, some dont:

Yeah, and that is something I should have really explained earlier. Sorry. Truth is very, very few schools teach it anymore. Only the most traditional or the most combat oriented schools ever bother. This is sad to me, but that is because of the Sport gaining presidence. I think Kano is spinning in his grave at "modern Judo" and its emphasis on the sport and competition, vice the concepts that make judo Great.
 
2009-02-19 03:39:27 PM  
greenpants: I've got a black belt in judo, jujutsu, jiu-jitsu, and lima lama, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

Do the "black belts" hold up the green pants? So, wow, you are so well versed in the martial arts, perhaps a little humility would go hand and hand instead of the résumé of your accomplishments. Remind me not to tangle with you...

/trolling
 
2009-02-19 03:40:00 PM  
FarkinHostile: Yeah, and that is something I should have really explained earlier. Sorry. Truth is very, very few schools teach it anymore. Only the most traditional or the most combat oriented schools ever bother. This is sad to me, but that is because of the Sport gaining presidence. I think Kano is spinning in his grave at "modern Judo" and its emphasis on the sport and competition, vice the concepts that make judo Great.

100% agreed.
 
2009-02-19 03:42:52 PM  
Brainsick

/Shou Shu, Tai Chi, Chin Na here


Chin Na is nasty stuff, especially when combined with other arts, like judo.

Imagine being thrown by your skin instead of your gi.

Eeek.
 
2009-02-19 03:43:36 PM  
silentneep: Freakpower: I know kung fu

I'm pretty good with a bow-staff.


I know you're being funny by misspelling something which doesn't have a regular english spelling to begin with, technically (like the guy nit-picking the anglicised "Jiu-jitsu" nonsense earlier, who apparently doesn't understand how borrowed words work). But I wanted to note that western staff combat was developed mostly with unfinished bow staves, so you're unintentionally being fairly historically accurate (it's why Robin Hood and his pals were always beating each other with staves, being longbowmen they would have had plenty lying about).

Also, there are plenty of strikes in judo, or at least things that often turn into strikes if you're not paying attention. Grip fighting, if nothing else, is gonna result in a lot of fist -> jaw. I'd also like to point out that it didn't say he used a judo technique on the burglar, just that that was what he had his black belt in. Anyone familiar with the sport is familiar with the fact that it is a sport and not intended for unregulated unarmed combat. A wrestler who feels threatened is likely to do what anyone else would do in a real fight... go for the mechanical advantage. Which means you're getting beaten with a chair, not put into a standard gatame or something. I mean, if you get in a fight with a footballer, are you going to expect them to try to dribble the nearest round object around your ankles? No, they're gonna kick you in the shins and then go call the police while grabbing the fireplace poker.

//We're very conscious that it's a sparring style. For some reason I've met tae kwan do types who don't realize that that's what theirs is, so if you feel like muggin' and want an excuse to choke a biatch go rob those guys-- Judo types will not try to fight fair off the mat.
 
2009-02-19 03:48:55 PM  
Jim_Callahan: e (it's why Robin Hood and his pals were always beating each other with staves, being longbowmen they would have had plenty lying about).

No.
 
2009-02-19 03:49:30 PM  
Kaltros

I would say any quote of Keanu Reeves is appropriately answered with "Whoa" although I did blow the spelling. :)
 
2009-02-19 03:51:21 PM  
Jim_Callahan

Also, there are plenty of strikes in judo, or at least things that often turn into strikes if you're not paying attention. Grip fighting, if nothing else, is gonna result in a lot of fist -> jaw.


Heh heh....you most certainly know what you are talking about. ;)
 
2009-02-19 03:51:43 PM  
The_Gallant_Gallstone: Yeah... I hear you. A lot of people think sashimi is the best way to take down a larger opponent, but I believe chirashi is a better way to go.

Sometimes, when I'm fighting gangmembers in L.A. to prove my martial arts supremacy, I begin with a modest Temaki stance, but when they start pulling out the weapons, I up the intensity and switch to a Gunkan Nigiri.

/getting hungry all of the sudden


OK, I lost it at work b/c of this.
 
2009-02-19 03:57:22 PM  
loonatic112358: greenpants: lima lama
sounds like a kids drink

or an evil play ground move akin to the purple nurple


sounds like a Peruvian sports mascot
 
2009-02-19 03:59:37 PM  
Relatively Obscure: Jim_Callahan: e (it's why Robin Hood and his pals were always beating each other with staves, being longbowmen they would have had plenty lying about).

No.


You'll have to be more specific than that. "no" because the example is a fictional character/set of characters? Or because the main melee types weren't particularly bowmen (Tuck)?

It was bowstaves and shepherds' staves that developed the weapon in western europe. More in england than the continent, because of the whole longbow thing everyone did. It was a convenient means of defense because it was less obvious than a cudgel and gave you more reach than many swords. There were a lot of places peasants being armed was not technically legal.

Never really caught on in, say, Italy, where you were expected to and probably did have at least a dagger on your person regardless of social class.
 
2009-02-19 04:00:06 PM  
FarkinHostile: Brainsick

/Shou Shu, Tai Chi, Chin Na here


Chin Na is nasty stuff, especially when combined with other arts, like judo.

Imagine being thrown by your skin instead of your gi.

Eeek.


My training partner was taking Eagle Style as well and said that the theoretical goal was to make the fingers touch when doing a muscle/pressure-point grab. "Try to separate the muscle" in his words. Sick stuff. I didn't let him try it out on me. Chin Na is so awesome.
 
2009-02-19 04:03:07 PM  
TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Ooh, ooh, ooh...is this the thread where I can brag about my Bronze Medal from Judo National Championships??????

I once got a silver medal in a judo tournament. . .

/there was only one other guy in my weight division
 
2009-02-19 04:07:13 PM  
I stopped by just to see how this thread went down. Once again, FarkinHostile seems to be doing just fine.

Thank you, sir.
 
2009-02-19 04:11:24 PM  
Jim_Callahan: You'll have to be more specific than that. "no" because the example is a fictional character/set of characters? Or because the main melee types weren't particularly bowmen (Tuck)?

I shouldn't sound so certain, but I'm guessing that the characters, fictional or not, did not use staves because they had a crapload of extra, valuable, approaching-extinction bits of prized yew wood laying around for making longbows.

I'm guessing they used thick staves made from ash, hazel, or any other similar type of wood because staves are simple to make and have been used for centuries.

Did someone EVER pick up a bow stave and hit someone with it? I'm sure.
 
2009-02-19 04:18:02 PM  
ObscureNameHere: But remember! When dealing with Latin American women, one has to be wary of "Mexican Judo": judo don't know if she's got a knife, judo don't know if she's got a gun.

Shouldn't it be "judo know" without the redundant don'ts in there?
 
2009-02-19 04:23:24 PM  
cactor: ObscureNameHere: But remember! When dealing with Latin American women, one has to be wary of "Mexican Judo": judo don't know if she's got a knife, judo don't know if she's got a gun.

Shouldn't it be "judo know" without the redundant don'ts in there?


Well CRAP! Yup, fail for me is failful.

/mmmm...falafal!
 
2009-02-19 04:36:01 PM  
Oldiron_79: Yeah, if someone tried that gay move on me I'd get em with my inside axe kick, I call it the widow maker. I'd show you but I had to register my hands as lethal weapons. Stupid friggin government.

Hopefully this is not obscure.


www.venturebroswiki.com

yeah... right up until you insult the girl some skinny kid has a crush on.
 
2009-02-19 04:41:45 PM  
Jim_Callahan: being fairly historically accurate (it's why Robin Hood and his pals were always beating each other with staves, being longbowmen they would have had plenty lying about).
 
2009-02-19 04:43:53 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-02-19 05:03:30 PM  
Is this the judo geek thread?

I just came to inform you all that even though I am a judo guy, I am fully capable of punching a bad guy without feeling obligated to only utilize standard judo.

/head asplode
 
2009-02-19 05:12:07 PM  
Rambino: Is this the judo geek thread?

I just came to inform you all that even though I am a judo guy, I am fully capable of punching a bad guy without feeling obligated to only utilize standard judo.

/head asplode


"If you are on the street and 5 guys fark with you, pick up a trash can and whack them with it. It's not Judo; it's not jujutsu; it's not even Marital Arts. But it is self-defense. You don't have to be proud of it" -- My awesome sensei
 
2009-02-19 05:13:13 PM  
Does he know the deadly kata known as the "total gym workout"

fitnesspromocodes.com
 
2009-02-19 05:36:06 PM  
One of my favorite dojo memories comes from (tangentially related here) my kenjutsu sensei (who also taught Kokdan judo - there's your relevance). He was this sterotypically tiny Japanese man, who couldn't have weight 110 lbs soaking wet. The number of dans on his various belts probably outweighed him

He was telling us about his trip to Chicago, and mentioned that bunch of guys tried to mug him outside a theatre. We were a aghast - "Sensei, what techniques did you use?" "What forms were you using to escape?" and so forth. He held up his hand for silence, kinda looked askance at everyone, and replied, "Technique? What technique? There were five of them - I kicked the lead guy in the nuts and ran like hell!"


It was a real watershed for me about the applicability of martial arts to real-world situations.
 
2009-02-19 05:51:47 PM  
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2009-02-19 06:10:37 PM  
FarkinHostile: PC LOAD LETTER

Ummm...judo has no strikes in it. There are plenty of holds, so I am guessing that's where the judo came in, but if you strike in judo, you are really doing jujutsu.

Well, technically there are strikes in judo, classified as Atemi Waza. Strikes are listed in the Kodokan under that designation. Strikes are also a part of the Nage No Kata, the formalized "ritual" demonstration of judo techniques. One of the requirements of Black Belt, in fact.


Nice to see aonther person knows what's real in Judo. I can't believe all these misconceptions.
 
2009-02-19 06:26:48 PM  
khyberkitsune

Nice to see aonther person knows what's real in Judo. I can't believe all these misconceptions.


Mayo Quanchi Judo, representing.


REI!
 
2009-02-19 08:50:43 PM  
Ed Grubermann: loonatic112358: i want to make a boot to the head reference, but do i go with Ti Kwan Leep, and ed gruberman

Oh, yeah? Try it now, shrimp!

/It's not like I can read every thread in a timely manner.

you would show up while i was away from fark

*boot to the head*
 
2009-02-19 09:19:16 PM  
HEEL HOOK!



Yeah yeah illegal bla bla bla
 
2009-02-20 02:17:36 AM  
PJ_the_Barbarian: Monkey MKIII: No Austin Powers?

Also, typing 'Judo Chop' into GIS with SS off... I don't want to know how 'Judo Chop' relates to those four guys. Srsly.

so I went to GIS, turned off safe search, and tried it, and... there's nothing that I can see that would justify this comment.

Then I realized, "Wait, am I disappointed to have not seen something that would probably scar me for life?"


I can give you the link if you'd like. I mean, I wouldn't want to get your hopes up and then leave you disappointed...
 
2009-02-20 02:47:09 AM  
Second'd, or third, or whatever, on the whole, 'He can still be a judoka and punch a guy' thing.

Im a lowly scrub whitebelt in BJJ. If I get in a fight, im not going for a double leg to side control, im going for a chair to face.

And then if the opportunity presents itself, maybe a d'arce.
 
2009-02-20 09:44:11 AM  
I'm just wondering, but am I the only Karate guy in here that gets irritated when people call it "Judo Chop"? Maybe that's how the Americans based out of Okinawa heard it, what with the different dialect of Japanese and all, but the correct term is Shuto (Not entirely sure on the English spelling, since it's... um... not English) meaning, loosely, strike.

I'm not art bashing, but it seems rather odd for an art known for its throws, holds, locks, etc. to get false credit for a strike that they certainly didn't invent (Some Chinese art, or maybe Indian, seeing as nearly all organized Asian striking arts hail originally from India).
 
2009-02-20 11:26:53 AM  
FarkinHostile: PC LOAD LETTER

Atemi waza as a waza in-and-of-itself is not recognized by the Kodokan as an official Judo waza.


Oh? So why is it in Kodokan Judo:

CHAPTER XIII EXPLANATION OF THE FORMS OF SELF DEFENCE page 192

DORI
1. Ryote-dori (Both Hands Seizure) 194
2. Tsukikake or Tsukkake (Stomach Punch) 195
3. Suri-age (Thrust at the Forehead) 196
4. Yoko-uchi (Blow at the Temple) 197
5. Ushiro-dori (Shoulder Seizure from Behind) 197
6. Tsukikomi or Tsukkomi (Dagger Thrust at the Stomach) 198
7. Kiri-komi (Direct Down Cut at the Head with a Dagger) 199
8. Yoko-tsuki (Side Thrust or Strike with a Dagger) 199


Kodokan Judo is the Bible of judo. Striking techniques are an official part of the curriculum.


As a technique allowed in competitive, SPORT judo, no. As a technique in self defense judo, yes.


There are no striking techniques in Judo. Period. The above listed are the defenses against various attacks. The attack is not part of judu. The defense is.
Judo: the gentle way. There is a reason Kano chose that name.
 
2009-02-20 02:37:26 PM  
wearetheworld: wearetheworld: I would've used a Mate-leao on him

I heard you have a black belt in Bofa

No, but I just started this kick ass jujitsu class. In fact my first class was yesterday, and my sinse told me about the Mate-leao. I know I would've used it on this burglar.


No, you wouldn't have. One class means you don't know anything. Don't be a tough guy.

It's not MATE-leao, it's MATA-leao...you need to work on both your Portuguese, and your Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, noob.
 
2009-02-20 03:54:37 PM  
BJJ BLUE BELT > JUDO BROWN BELT


/bjj blue
 
2009-02-20 05:39:37 PM  
tank2vich


We already went over this, and there are links below that will give you more information. You attend(ed) a dojo that doesn't teach Atemi Waza, others do, like mine did. It is a part of the Kodokan, period.

Unless you have more than 25 years of study, I'd take my word for it. Or even better, don't and go find out.

Funny, as I was typing the reply to this, I got a call from Peter Contardo, 7th dan. USJA Board of Directors. Weird how that works.
 
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