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(via Boing Boing)   Finnish music industry wants kindergardens to pay for singing copyright-protected songs   ( divider line
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3427 clicks; posted to Main » on 29 Jan 2003 at 12:55 PM (15 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2003-01-29 12:58:06 PM  
Best use of the
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tag EVER.
2003-01-29 01:01:51 PM  
I wonder what who they want to get to pay next...

/listens to her bootleg mp3 of blues brothers' concert
2003-01-29 01:01:53 PM  
Wow. Are the job requirements for any music industry exec a desire to make as many people hate you as possible?
2003-01-29 01:02:15 PM  
We have hit Rock bottom as a society people. Large company's holding up school kids for their lunch money.

It's sick and disturbing in a wonderful, wonderful way.
2003-01-29 01:04:20 PM  
I went to a private school; we sang "Jesus Loves Me" and "Jesus Loves the Little Children." Until we got sued by God.
2003-01-29 01:06:14 PM  
Of course, this is several years after Disney told all the day-care organizations that they can't screen Disney movies for the kids to watch on video.

Knowing full well that kids that age will never ever EVER want to watch "Aladdin" only once. OH no. They'll want to watch the damned thing 150 quadrillion times. Until the next Disney movie comes out, then they want to see THAT one 150 quadrillion times.

Seemed short-sighted at the time. But what do I know? I'm just a silly consumer.
2003-01-29 01:07:19 PM  
Now, I'm no copyright expert, but I thought a copyright is only violated if it is used commercially, which is why people in the US all over don't get sued for singing Happy Birthday. They've no case. Gimme a minute and I'll look up the copyright protected HB on snopes.
2003-01-29 01:07:57 PM  
Anybody else notice the "kindergarden"?
I find that hilarious.

It's kindergarTen, you enormous tool.
2003-01-29 01:08:38 PM

Ahh, thank you Snopes search engine!
2003-01-29 01:13:39 PM  
Wow, I LOVE Finnish, whoda thought anything having to do with them would show up here?
Go Aknestik!
2003-01-29 01:16:53 PM  
Unfortunately, using a copyrighted work for non-commerical purposes does not exclude it from copyright laws.

In the kindergarten's case, though, you can argue that their use would fall under Fair Use, since the songs are used in an educational setting for educational purposes.
2003-01-29 01:18:51 PM  
Damn you, Carbonated_Brains. I wanted to bring that up...
2003-01-29 01:23:56 PM  
And the music industry wonders why sells have dropped. They are kidergartaten students already. Next these commy's will be hunting down mothers for letting more than one child listen. This is a verry sad time for sure!!
2003-01-29 01:34:01 PM  
Is there any way we could possibly convince Dubya's pupetmaster, Cheney, to include Finland in the Axis of Evil ?
2003-01-29 01:34:47 PM  
I wanna be... infoanarchy!
2003-01-29 01:35:05 PM  
Almost as funny as Nasalspray's "kindergartaten"

New, from Ron Popeil, maker of the Rotato, the do-it-all limited edition KINDERGARTATEN!
2003-01-29 01:35:40 PM  
2003-01-29 01:36:02 PM  
I'm gonna have to pay royalties for singing that, aren't I? Or maybe a Royale with Cheese.
2003-01-29 01:45:54 PM  
It's funny if you say it like Frink.


Why am I still alive?
2003-01-29 01:47:31 PM  
This is just great, the RIAA's evil influence is corrupting the Finns now. We gotta shut all these biatches down.

And on another note, I actually typed out b-i-a-t-c-h-e-s out without having the filter mangle it. Time to cut down on my Farking, I suppose.
2003-01-29 01:47:55 PM  
Music, one of the best methods of human communication, hard at work.
2003-01-29 01:50:30 PM  
most of the songs that they would sing would be considered public domain... happy Birthday.. old Macdonald etc... therefore no royalties are owed, unless they are using it in conjunction with a copyrighted rendition of the song, such as pre arranged MIDI files etc.
2003-01-29 01:56:17 PM  
Am I the only one who thinks some executive should be dragged to an alleyway and beaten with a crowbar for this one?
2003-01-29 02:05:19 PM  
Asinine indeed. However, many of us are applying US copyright law here- we don't know what the law is in Finland.
Oh, and you people calling the RIAA and the like "commies-" you don't know how WRONG you are. Technically, they are the essence of unchecked capitalism! (note the word "unchecked" before you flame me, please)

I would imagine that there is something of a "fair use" issue here, in that the kindergarten is not being paid for the performance (!) and it the works are being used in an educational setting. This "educational setting" thing is key; otherwise, I and anyone else who writes a research paper for school or college would have to pay royalties to the creator of any work we cite and use in our paper. again, the issues that need to be considered are 1.) whether or not the organization is recieving money for performing the works, and 2.) whether or not it is being used in an educational setting or not. I suppose the music industry might have a case, but it would be suicide for them if they tried to enforce it, given the current climate.
2003-01-29 02:07:39 PM  
Sounds like nice people.
2003-01-29 02:33:29 PM  
Well, the "hack the RIAA" thing's getting pretty old, so I propose starting to hack
Their website sucks too.
2003-01-29 02:36:34 PM  
most of the songs that they would sing would be considered public domain... happy Birthday

Happy birthday as far as I'm aware [and backed up by snopes] is not public domain.

Does this mean that everyone who warbles "Happy Birthday to You" to family members at birthday parties is engaging in copyright infringement if they fail to obtain permission from or pay royalties to the song's publisher? No. Royalties are due, of course, for commercial uses of the song, such as playing or singing it for profit, using it in movies, television programs, and stage shows, or incorporating it into musical products such as watches and greeting cards; as well, royalties are due for public performance, defined by copyright law as performances which occur "at a place open to the public, or at any place where a substantial number of persons outside of a normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances is gathered." So, crooning "Happy Birthday to You" to family members and friends at home is fine, but performing a copyrighted work in a public setting such as a restaurant or a sports arena technically requires a license from ASCAP or the Harry Fox Agency (although such infringements are rarely prosecuted).
2003-01-29 02:37:39 PM  
This kid was found in a kindergarden.
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2003-01-29 02:42:54 PM  
So are the swasticas coming back now days?
2003-01-29 02:52:57 PM  
Of course, kindergarten actually means "children garden," literally translated, so it's not quite so absurd an error as it might have been...
2003-01-29 02:55:03 PM  
The RIAA would have described it thusly:

"Kindergartens, which built the world's largest piracy network premised on flouting copyright laws and not obtaining licenses, now claim that a lack of licensing has somehow inhibited their development. . . ."
2003-01-29 03:26:11 PM  
I'd like to pay some Finnish thug to put music industry execs in a corral of hungry wolverines...
2003-01-29 05:05:46 PM  
This thread is Finnished.
2003-01-29 05:38:48 PM  
deep down, we all know lars is behind this too. esspically after the kenwood daycare center got caught using "hero of the day" as a childrens sing along, to keep the damn kids from acting up.
2003-01-29 06:00:34 PM  
MAN...I hate those Finnish. What I wouldnt do to punch thier lights out, I mean, they really deserve a good pounding!
Oh yeah...
*Punches own face*
2003-01-29 06:47:45 PM  
maybe they'll go after car and shower singers next....

/rolls up window, switches to talk radio...
2003-01-29 06:49:42 PM  
Has anyone else noticed how dangerously close ASCAP is to ASSHAT?
2003-01-30 09:44:21 AM  
Goddman music industry at it again. And they wonder why noone buys CDs anymore..As far as I am concerned, they're the worst monopoly out there.

Long live the MP3!!
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