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2009-02-17 01:16:49 PM
The Inter-Parliamentary Coalition for Combating Anti-Semitism is meeting today in London in the wake of the Gaza campaign, which ignited an exponential eruption of global anti-Semitic frenzy unprecedented since the Nazi era. The intensity of the anti-Jewish rage, frequently accompanied by acts of violence, has engendered fear and anxiety among Diaspora Jews and obliged many to seriously ponder their long-term future.

On every continent and in virtually every city, enraged demonstrators have railed against Israel and indulged in anti-Semitic calls to "boycott Jews," "gas" them and "dismantle the Nazi Israeli state." The anti-Jewish offensives, usually initiated by Arabs, have been supported by wide spectrums of indigenous citizens.

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As a Jewish American, I would like to thank the Tatsumas and the Bernie Madoffs of the world for bringing this shiat down on all of our heads. Again. Assholes. Way to define "self-fulfilling prophecy." My kids are hearing slurs they have never heard before, because we all get lumped together with Tatsuma and his ethnocentric murderous ilk.

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All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again.
And again.
And again.
 
2009-02-17 01:18:19 PM
That's an odd situation. Israel drops bombs on hamas and hamas is supposed to gaurd the unexploded bomblets and bombs until the UN can take the ordnance away from hamas?

Why would they even agree to that in the first place, I'm sure they would assume the UN would just give them back to Israel so they could fix them and drop them again.
 
2009-02-17 01:18:35 PM
Apik0r0s: As a Jewish American, I would like to thank the Tatsumas and the Bernie Madoffs of the world for bringing this shiat down on all of our heads. Again. Assholes. Way to define "self-fulfilling prophecy." My kids are hearing slurs they have never heard before, because we all get lumped together with Tatsuma and his ethnocentric murderous ilk.

So now you've not only got children, but children old enough to hear anti-semitic slurs, but also identifiably Jewish enough to hear those slurs?

Man, you're such a card. By the way, you're an anti-semitic nut who's not even Jewish and admitted so in the past, in a thread where you said Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves. Some people do remember that thread.
 
2009-02-17 01:18:39 PM
absoluteparanoia: KaponoFor3: So the answer is "none", right?

If that helps you sleep tonight, then yes "none". That's what I meant.

I wasn't making a comment about proportionate response.


"Proportionate response"?

How about this: let Israel fire 5000 rockets, each with an explosive charge of between 1 and 20 pounds, randomly into Gaza. No guidance systems, no targeting, no warning of people who live in the targeted areas days in advance.

Would that make you happy? Would that satisfy your need for a "proportionate response"?
 
2009-02-17 01:18:40 PM
Tatsuma: What do you think?

I think they'll go for "memshelet ahdut" once Livni's ego calms down.
 
2009-02-17 01:19:23 PM
mrwknd: Yes, that's true, and Palestinians are "treated" better in Israel than some other Arab states. Palestinians are deemed "nomads" and/or "Gypsies" by some Arabs thus treated as 2nd class people and not accepted.

While it's a mixed bag, I am very doubtful that Palestinians in Egypt or Jordan are treated worse than they are in Isreal.
 
2009-02-17 01:19:43 PM
TappingTheVein: 7of7 a

not a TFer... can you copy/paste?
 
2009-02-17 01:19:49 PM
Apik0r0s: My kids are hearing slurs they have never heard before, because we all get lumped together with Tatsuma and his ethnocentric murderous ilk.

So what you're saying is, racism should be blamed on the victims, rather than the people who are being racist. Nice.
 
2009-02-17 01:19:54 PM
Apik0r0s: As a Jewish American, I would like to thank the Tatsumas and the Bernie Madoffs of the world for bringing this shiat down on all of our heads. Again. Assholes. Way to define "self-fulfilling prophecy." My kids are hearing slurs they have never heard before, because we all get lumped together with Tatsuma and his ethnocentric murderous ilk.

Hey didn't Madoff screw out a crap load of the jewish lobbies?
 
2009-02-17 01:19:56 PM
TappingTheVein: I'm now trying to find demonstrations of palestinians in Gaza against Hamas' attacks on israeli civilians.

Change the search criteria from "demonstration" to "celebration," the search will go a lot quicker.

/liberal Israel supporter
 
2009-02-17 01:19:57 PM
Headso: I'm sure they would assume the UN would just give them back to Israel so they could fix them and drop them again.

Ah yes, we all know the love story between the UN and Israel, it's not like the UN has ever done anything to prevent Israel from defending itself.

Also, did anyone get the story here today that UNWRA officials were actually selling free aid to private Azza merchants and pocketing the money?

UN, as corrupted and rotting from inside as ever.
 
2009-02-17 01:20:29 PM
Facetious_Speciest: Green Scorpio

About 1 in 5 Americans voted for Bush. That fact doesn't keep them from hsting us all.

And you see no problem with this particular reciprocity?

I'm not a Palestinian. I don't know if "they" hate me or not. I do know that I don't have to hate "them" because of some perception that they hate "us." Not being part of that minority that supported Bush (or Hamas), I tend to imagine that hating "them" because they hate "us" is absurd, especially given that I realise not all Americans are guilty for anything Bush's government did.

I have never met a Palestinian that hated me because some of my countrymen voted for Bush. I'm sure they exist in plenty, but I have the choice to see that view as misguided rather than revel in its mirror myself.


I don't hate any Palestinians. In fact, I can count on one hand people that I actually do hate. The footage I've seen of Palestinian children watching (or, more acurately, being shown) of children singing barney-like songs that tell of American and western blood flowing in the streets like wine, etc. tells me all I need to know about the general feelings there.
 
2009-02-17 01:20:38 PM
Tatsuma: Ryan2065: Citation needed. It directly goes against the sources already posted in this thread that show a majority of the people in Gaza want a peaceful solution.

Though if you said a majority of them supported a violent struggle after Israel bombed them then I'd believe you.

Here you can find out that:

- 91% of Gazans support more operations like the Mercaz HaRav massacre, where gunmen enter yeshivot and kill Israeli children
- 75% of all arabs believe there shouldn't be peace talks between Abu Mazen and Olmert anymore
- 64% support launching rockets


So what changed in the 2 years between the polls? 3 of mine in 2006 show overwhelming support for a peaceful solution while your one from 2008 shows they want to keep the struggle going. What changed in those two years?

TappingTheVein: Bullshiat. There are no demonstrations in gaza because the demonstrators will have their heads cut off. Simple as that.
You think Hamas started attacking israeli civilians just with rockets and just for the last 8 years ?


I don't get your argument. First you are criticizing the Gaza people for not demonstrating and then you say they will be killed if they demonstrate. So you agree the people are there who want peace but they are afraid to demonstrate right?

TappingTheVein: And what settlement is that exactly ? from your own poll 70% support a one-state solution (aka "Israel suicides") as well.

See, this is the biggest problem with Israel. They know if they go to the one state solution they will no longer hold the majority and it will go back to Palestine, not Israel. They know they are a minority so they are willing to keep these conflicts going and let all these people die because they are afraid the majority will get in control again. This could all be settled if they go back to a one state solution.
 
2009-02-17 01:20:40 PM
Randolph Mantooth?
 
2009-02-17 01:21:45 PM
Tatsuma: Bottle rockets.

Do you personally make your bottle rockets so that they contain an explosive payload 15 times bigger than a grenade? Do you personally make your bottle rockets so that they are filled with ball bearings to serve as shrapnel? Do you personally make your bottle rockets so that they will travel dozens of kilometers and hit civilian centers?

It took me two months getting over my 10 days in Sderot a few years ago. Even my messiest break-up, I got over faster and with less sleepless nights.

Now I'm going to be spending most of the summer there, up to 4 months, in order to both volunteer and possibly film a documentary about daily life there. At first I wanted to just bring a camera and document it for myself, or video-blog it or something, but I've decided that I might as well try and turn this into an actual documentary so I'm now trying to fundraise money from Jewish organizations, the Israeli governments and private donor to be able to make it into a full feature. Might still make the video-blog thingy as well while I film it.

Hopefully this will help in shutting up the cries of the "Waah, it's just bottle rockets" idiots. Also, 7of7, you're disgusting.


If the the people of Sderot weren't illegally occupying other people's land this wouldn't be a problem. Sderot was built on the land of the village of Najd. The war criminals in the Negev Brigade murdered any civilians that refused to leave their homes and all of the possessions behind.

It is against international law to buiid settlements on land confiscated during a military conflict, so the Israelis living in Sderot are war criminals, plain and simple. However, to even call what happened in Najd a military conflict is unjust. Basically, this was a group of heavily-armed militants slaughtering women and children so they could steal their land and possessions. Still, despite the fact these residents are war criminals, that clearly doesn't justify firing rockets at Sderot. Diplomacy would be the best way to go, but both sides are so evil-minded that this will probably never happen. These two groups are basically opposite sides of the same evil coin.

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
- Mahatma Gandhi
 
2009-02-17 01:21:46 PM
give me doughnuts: How about this: let Israel fire 5000 rockets, each with an explosive charge of between 1 and 20 pounds, randomly into Gaza. No guidance systems, no targeting, no warning of people who live in the targeted areas days in advance.

Would that make you happy? Would that satisfy your need for a "proportionate response"?


Why don't you cram your hypothetical situation up your ass, turkey?

I can invent retarded counter examples too, but I refuse to sink to your level.

When you start actively cheering that Israel killed civilians, you're a farking douchebag. Go die in a fire.
 
2009-02-17 01:21:53 PM
Headso: That's an odd situation. Israel drops bombs on hamas and hamas is supposed to gaurd the unexploded bomblets and bombs until the UN can take the ordnance away from hamas?

Why would they even agree to that in the first place, I'm sure they would assume the UN would just give them back to Israel so they could fix them and drop them again.


I think the article pretty well sums up why Hamas would agree to that.
 
2009-02-17 01:22:00 PM
They can make peace or burn, it's up to them. Some fine day another Saladin will make an appearance, and Israel will no longer have the benefit of being up against a set of squabbling arab state and face a unified islam nation. But no worries, Israel has plenty of nukes.
 
2009-02-17 01:23:21 PM
Occam's Chainsaw: Bored Horde: What a horrible thing to say.

I dunno, using WP in a populous area is pretty scummy, and deserving of some comeuppance. Of course, the civilians which will actually be targeted by these munitions aren't the IDF commanders allowing use of deadly incindiaries in Gaza, so they don't deserve a bit of it.


I dunno, the article says that the munitions were in... well let me quote, "two areas were identified: one in the north, in a no-go area close to the border with Israel and the other near Khan Younis in the south, in a former Hamas training area."

I guess if you're a civilian in a former training camp, or a area that you've been told not to go in because they're going to be bombing it, then maybe you need to take some of the responsibility if you get killed.

Read more about it
 
2009-02-17 01:23:29 PM
Apik0r0s: As a Jewish American, I would like to thank the Tatsumas and the Bernie Madoffs of the world for bringing this shiat down on all of our heads. Again. Assholes. Way to define "self-fulfilling prophecy." My kids are hearing slurs they have never heard before, because we all get lumped together with Tatsuma and his ethnocentric murderous ilk.

Sorry to hear that, must be hard for you to know your children are being harassed.
 
2009-02-17 01:23:39 PM
Ryan2065: See, this is the biggest problem with Israel. They know if they go to the one state solution they will no longer hold the majority and it will go back to Palestine, not Israel. They know they are a minority so they are willing to keep these conflicts going and let all these people die because they are afraid the majority will get in control again. This could all be settled if they go back to a one state solution.

Yeah, Israelis are such jerks for wanting to exist. Why can't they just be content with the elimination of their entire country?
 
2009-02-17 01:23:54 PM
TappingTheVein: I think they'll go for "memshelet ahdut" once Livni's ego calms down.

I'm not sure that Bibi actually wants to sit in the same government as Livni now, not after what she pulled in the last weeks, and in the last days with YB. I don't think he wants to sit in with Avigdor either.

Most Israelis want to keep Barak as a Defense minister, and having Labour in would counter-balance the religious parties in the eyes of almost everyone, he would have a true memshelet ahdut in the eyes of most people that way.

Personally I would much rather have Labour than Kadima in the coalition. At least Labour has its principles and will stick to it, Kadima has no principles aside from self-service and power at all price. Also, Labour is weak enough that Likud could make them tow the line for longer and it would make the chance of another round of elections unlikely for a while.
 
2009-02-17 01:24:21 PM
Green Scorpio

I don't hate any Palestinians.

Then who cares whether or not "they" hate "us?"

The footage I've seen of Palestinian children watching (or, more acurately, being shown) of children singing barney-like songs that tell of American and western blood flowing in the streets like wine, etc. tells me all I need to know about the general feelings there.

And your perception of this "general feeling" means...what?
 
2009-02-17 01:24:26 PM
OpheliasMusing: not a TFer... can you copy/paste?

Basically he's saying the arab armies should try eliminating Israel again or as he says "there's always a next time" when he was confronted by the fact that they have been trying to destroy Israel but were defeated every time.

He also defends Hizballah.
 
2009-02-17 01:24:41 PM
give me doughnuts: absoluteparanoia: KaponoFor3: So the answer is "none", right?

If that helps you sleep tonight, then yes "none". That's what I meant.

I wasn't making a comment about proportionate response.

"Proportionate response"?

How about this: let Israel fire 5000 rockets, each with an explosive charge of between 1 and 20 pounds, randomly into Gaza. No guidance systems, no targeting, no warning of people who live in the targeted areas days in advance.

Would that make you happy? Would that satisfy your need for a "proportionate response"?


Did someone get told? Yes? "Oh Snap!".
 
2009-02-17 01:24:41 PM
Tatsuma: Ah yes, we all know the love story between the UN and Israel, it's not like the UN has ever done anything to prevent Israel from defending itself.

I'm not commenting on anything but what I would assume would be hamas's mistrust of the UN. You're more engaged in all this nonesense than I am, do you believe hamas trusts the UN enough to agree to such an agreement?
 
2009-02-17 01:25:07 PM
Wow the israelies and the palastinians are killing each others children again in the most horriffic manner they can?

I would do something about it but after all these years I am just absolutely paralyzed by chronic apathy.

If I could muster up an ounce of care, I would say "stop sending any of them money, and turn off the damn camera's. All of em."

/I eagerly await the day when all of this becomes "China's Problem".
 
2009-02-17 01:25:19 PM
Tatsuma: Apik0r0s: As a Jewish American, I would like to thank the Tatsumas and the Bernie Madoffs of the world for bringing this shiat down on all of our heads. Again. Assholes. Way to define "self-fulfilling prophecy." My kids are hearing slurs they have never heard before, because we all get lumped together with Tatsuma and his ethnocentric murderous ilk.

So now you've not only got children, but children old enough to hear anti-semitic slurs, but also identifiably Jewish enough to hear those slurs?

Man, you're such a card. By the way, you're an anti-semitic nut who's not even Jewish and admitted so in the past, in a thread where you said Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves. Some people do remember that thread.


And you sir, are a liar. I bolded your lie, because it's a bold-faced lie.

A murderous, thieving liar.

Who hides his crimes behind a 3000 year old fairy tale.

Who sees the whole world as skins and shirts, because some ancient child molester said that if you don't have the chosen blood, you don't count. Fark you.

You're the thing that has gotten us thrown out and stomped on over 200 times.

All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.
 
2009-02-17 01:25:35 PM
The one's that were, up to recently, the targets of them?
 
2009-02-17 01:26:23 PM
Tatsuma: ew47: The Israeli army's last engagement in Gaza showed very little effort in civilian casualty and infrastructure damage mitigation.

What are you smoking? The IDF hit more than 95%+ of its targets without errors, and even though Hamas hides in the middle of them, and only a third at most of the victims were civilians! And even amongst those called civilians are plenty who were not, at least shouldn't be considered as such (family of Hamas members who refused to leave even though they were told in advance they would be bombed. If you decide that you're going to make yourself a martyr and serve as a human shield you're not a civilian. When you force your young children to stay as well, that makes you a cold-blooded monster and murderer as well)

To quote a former British colonel, he has "never seen an army that takes such care, in any time in History, to avoid civilian casualties"


Assuming this nameless person actually existed and said this, it must have been AFTER they reached their 100 'less than dogs' to 1 'chosen people' quota.
 
2009-02-17 01:27:12 PM
Tatsuma is the last person you should talk to you if you want an honest opinion of what's going on over there. He is not even from Israel. Someone that decided to go over and make the situation worse. And he is a settler as well. Pure scum.
 
2009-02-17 01:27:34 PM
Facetious_Speciest: Green Scorpio

I don't hate any Palestinians.

Then who cares whether or not "they" hate "us?"

The footage I've seen of Palestinian children watching (or, more acurately, being shown) of children singing barney-like songs that tell of American and western blood flowing in the streets like wine, etc. tells me all I need to know about the general feelings there.

And your perception of this "general feeling" means...what?


Nothing in particular, except that I'm glad I'm not Jewish, or living in Israel, or both.
 
2009-02-17 01:28:46 PM
Apik0r0s: And you sir, are a liar. I bolded your lie, because it's a bold-faced lie.

So his claim that you said the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves isn't a lie? Or were you just getting around to denying that?
 
2009-02-17 01:29:06 PM
Ryan2065: So what changed in the 2 years between the polls? 3 of mine in 2006 show overwhelming support for a peaceful solution while your one from 2008 shows they want to keep the struggle going. What changed in those two years?

Hamas got into power, they feel Fatah is corrupted and that there is no more chance of peace like there was back in 2000.

Arafat really screwed things up for them. He thought it would make a state more likely if he attacked for a couple of months, turns out he probably killed the two-state solution by planning and launching the second wave of violence.

Ozaru: If the the people of Sderot weren't illegally occupying other people's land this wouldn't be a problem. Sderot was built on the land of the village of Najd. The war criminals in the Negev Brigade murdered any civilians that refused to leave their homes and all of the possessions behind.

I am SURE that you also feel the same way about arabs in Hevron, "East" Jerusalem, Azza, Judea and Samaria where they destroyed HUNDREDS of kibbutzim and places where Jews lived and proceeded to occupy to this day.

You see these arabs as war criminals who get everything they deserve when they are bombed by Israel, right?

absoluteparanoia: When you start actively cheering that Israel killed civilians, you're a farking douchebag. Go die in a fire.

And when you call a rocket that has the payload of more than 15 grenades, filled with shrapnel and shot toward civilian centers a "bottle rocket", you're an inhuman monster devoid of any moral compass.
 
2009-02-17 01:29:10 PM
1. OctoMom

2. L. Ron Hubbard

3. Hitler

/covered all the Fark bases, I think
 
2009-02-17 01:29:49 PM
The Palestinians keep farking with Israel. You'd think that level of nigh sadomasochistic indulgence would wear off in the 3 or 4 generations since this conflict flared up again.
 
2009-02-17 01:30:16 PM
JollyMagistrate: farkingatwork: JollyMagistrate: lots of stuff

I never said Israeli's were second class. I also never said they were raised to be violent. Both sides, at least all of the many I have met, are rasised hating the other, though. Many get along well enough, though they constantly badmouth each other. Read more of the post you quote. Also: assume less.


You said Palestinians were second class citizens. However, Palestinians implies people of middle eastern descent, and that includes Israelis. Additionally, Israelis are not raised to hate Palestinians or vice versa. This hatred only occurs in those violent "follow what we say or die" regions. In the rest of the world even outside of Israel, people like Druze get along very well with Israelis and are even recognized citizens with special privileges.
 
2009-02-17 01:31:04 PM
InferiousX

mrwknd: Yes, that's true, and Palestinians are "treated" better in Israel than some other Arab states. Palestinians are deemed "nomads" and/or "Gypsies" by some Arabs thus treated as 2nd class people and not accepted.

While it's a mixed bag, I am very doubtful that Palestinians in Egypt or Jordan are treated worse than they are in Isreal.


Very mixed, but not fully accepted as a Saudi Arab would be.
 
2009-02-17 01:31:19 PM
JollyMagistrate: It's hard for Americans in particular to understand this, as we are a nation of immegrants with no real ties to our land. For the Israeli people, much like the palestinians, there can be no other place to live. This isn't like deciding you don't like the heat in L.A. and move to Maine. There is history there, deep connections to the land that are personal and cultural.


Oh that's bullshiat, of course there are other places to live. I have a history and deep connections with the original version of Star Wars that are personal and cultural but I've learned to live with the Special Editions. In any case, the US doesn't deserve to be dragged down into Israel's bullshiat.
 
2009-02-17 01:31:23 PM
Ozaru: It is against international law to buiid settlements on land confiscated during a military conflict, so the Israelis living in Sderot are war criminals, plain and simple.

So that would make anyone living in California or Arizona "war criminals, plain and simple" since California and Arizona were confiscated from Mexico during the Mexican-American war.
 
2009-02-17 01:31:36 PM
Im_right_your_wrong: I think the article pretty well sums up why Hamas would agree to that.

how so?
 
2009-02-17 01:31:52 PM
Somacandra: 1. OctoMom

2. L. Ron Hubbard

3. Hitler

/covered all the Fark bases, I think


L. Ron Octo-Hitler sounds like the most powerful supervillain of all time.
 
2009-02-17 01:32:07 PM
nekulor: The Palestinians keep farking with Israel. You'd think that level of nigh sadomasochistic indulgence would wear off in the 3 or 4 generations since this conflict flared up again.

You think so, eh? Try walking into a pub in Dublin, Ireland, shouting "OLIVER CROMWELL!!!" as loud as you can and see if you can get out of the door before your nuts get cut off. How long ago was that the issue of the day, perchance?

/a historically ignorant is you
 
2009-02-17 01:32:14 PM
i249.photobucket.com
 
2009-02-17 01:32:24 PM
7of7:

If someone took over your neighborhood and forced you and all your neighbors to live in one tiny house, cut off the house from the outside world, and then began "settling" all the rooms even that tiny house I think you'd be fighting them too. I don't think you would give up until you were killed no matter how outnumbered or outgunned.


I'd pack up and move to a better neighborhood.
 
2009-02-17 01:32:24 PM
Headso: I'm not commenting on anything but what I would assume would be hamas's mistrust of the UN. You're more engaged in all this nonesense than I am, do you believe hamas trusts the UN enough to agree to such an agreement?

Yes, they even called on the UN to ask Israel to stop the attacks against them, and they generally collaborate with the UNWRA on the ground quite often as well.

hitlersbrain: Assuming this nameless person actually existed and said this, it must have been AFTER they reached their 100 'less than dogs' to 1 'chosen people' quota.

Former Colonel Richard Kemp. Get educated.

INTERTRON: So his claim that you said the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves isn't a lie? Or were you just getting around to denying that?

Oh, he's proud about that, he just let it slip once that he wasn't Jewish and THAT he doesn't want to be known.

Because it moves him from self-loathing Jew to vile Stormfront scumbag, what he really is. Now he has "children" who suffer anti-semitic slur. That's pretty funny.
 
2009-02-17 01:32:50 PM
Apik0r0s:

And you sir, are a liar. I bolded your lie, because it's a bold-faced lie.

A murderous, thieving liar.

Who hides his crimes behind a 3000 year old fairy tale.

All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.


ugh, you sound like really bad fanfic. really bad fanfic written by a pissy, lonely teenager who's read "twilight" one too many times.

/is there ever any really *good* fanfic out there?
 
2009-02-17 01:32:51 PM
Jim J. Bullock?
 
2009-02-17 01:32:51 PM
InferiousX: L. Ron Octo-Hitler sounds like the most powerful supervillain of all time.

I seriously cringed when I read that. And I don't cringe.
 
2009-02-17 01:33:05 PM
Green Scorpio: Did someone get told? Yes? "Oh Snap!".

You should team up with sewiusproductions to completely destroy that phrase. The bar is now TOUCHING the floor.
 
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