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(Some Guy)   17 years ago today, Space Shuttle Challenger exploded after take-off   (space.about.com) divider line 303
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2003-01-28 02:18:25 PM
sorry.

/threadjack
 
2003-01-28 02:18:28 PM
AuntofDogface

Yes, this is a pretty cool job.
Space flight is the schiznat.
 
2003-01-28 02:18:31 PM
All I remember is the "Very Special Punky Brewster" episode about the whole mess. Punky was sad.
 
2003-01-28 02:19:25 PM
And once again
"Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground"
Come on sing with me...
"Oh I've seen fire and I've seen rain....."

Or the always fun and catchy
"What goes up.... must come down... Spinning wheel goes round and round"

I got to watch the explosion live on tv in my sixth grade classroom. At first I was shocked and saddend but over time I became aroused. Is that odd?
 
2003-01-28 02:19:31 PM
Litig8r Aren't they all? Except for the ones you file I mean.
 
2003-01-28 02:19:54 PM
Litig8r, "you hate us because we make more money than most folks, profit from the misery of others, and are part of a system that both confuses and frightens you."

That fairly well describes a doctor, too. Yet people don't hate them so much. People tend to hate lawyers because of the personality traits generally associated with those who tend to choose to be lawyers. Of course there are exceptions.
 
pr2
2003-01-28 02:21:05 PM
I must admit that I don't feel so guilty farking at work anymore. If flight controllers for the space station can fark, then damnit, I can fark too!
 
2003-01-28 02:21:52 PM
I worked with a guy that was on a team attempting to build an "ejection capsul" for the crew after the challenger blew up. Turns out it just wasn't feasible...the G-forces would tear the astronauts apart.

Nothing shocking about that, really, I just felt like sharing :)
 
2003-01-28 02:23:17 PM
That was a sad day.. Anyway, time to move on.

Hey Litig8ter would you mind shooting me an e-mail. It's in my profile. I have some law school questions and I don't want to thread jack.

/Goes back to bein sad
 
2003-01-28 02:23:27 PM
I remember it... amazing considering I was 5... I remember being at my neighbor's house the next day and seeing the front page of the Sidney Gazette... I still remember the photo.
 
2003-01-28 02:23:32 PM
I'm only 26 and remember exactly where I was when it happened. I watched it live on TV at my grand-parents house. That day and 9/11 are days i'll never forget.
 
2003-01-28 02:23:51 PM
Sod A Dog, I'm a lawyer and your figure that 99% of lawyers are asshats is baseless. Anyone in the profession will tell you that number hovers around 88 or 89%.

I was in my eighth grade U.S. history class. It was very unsettling. We had the launch on TV, and I think it took a good long while for it to sink in. Most of us didn't know how to react until our teacher got upset. I remember the silence being broken by some toad who said "cool," then "ouch" because someone promptly smacked him (rightly so) in the back of his head with a nice, thick, standard issue public school history book.
 
2003-01-28 02:28:37 PM
Pr2

I must admit that I don't feel so guilty farking at work anymore. If flight controllers for the space station can fark, then damnit, I can fark too!

With our schedule of 24/7/365 operations, we're rarely at work from 9-5.
 
2003-01-28 02:29:39 PM
the worst part of the challenger disaster was that the O ring was known to have problems functioning at low tempatures, and the engineers from the company that made the booster rocket reccomended the launch be delayed. they were overruled by some management slugs, we all know how that turned out. there's a very good essay about this at the ethics center for engineering and science by Roger M. Boisjoly, Former Morton Thiokol Engineer.

http://www.onlineethics.org/essays/shuttle/telecon.html

"Some discussion had started between only the managers when Arnie Thompson moved from his position down the table to a position in front of the managers and once again, tried to explain our position by sketching the joint and discussing the problem with the seals at low temperature. Arnie stopped when he saw the unfriendly look in Mason's eyes and also realized that no one was listening to him. I then grabbed the photographic evidence showing the hot gas blow-by comparisons from previous flights and placed it on the table in view of the managers and somewhat angered, admonished them to look at the photos and not ignore what they were telling us; namely, that low temperature indeed caused significantly more hot gas blow-by to occur in the joints. I, too, received the some cold stores as Arnie, with looks as if to say, "Go away and don't bother us with the facts." No one in management wanted to discuss the facts; they just would not respond verbally to either Arnie or me. I felt totally helpless at that moment and that further argument was fruitless, so 1, too, stopped pressing my case.

What followed mode me both sad and angry. The managers were struggling to make a list of data that would support a launch decision, but unfortunately for them, the data actually supported a no-launch decision. During the closed manager's discussion, Jerry Mason asked the other managers in a low voice if he was the only one who wanted to fly and no one answered him. At the end of the discussion, Mason turned to Bob Lund, Vice President of Engineering at MTI, and told him to take off his engineering hat and to put on his management hat. The vote poll was taken by only the four senior executives present since the engineers were excluded from both the final discussion with management and the vote poll. The telecon resumed and Joe Kilminster read the launch support rationale from a handwritten list and recommended that the launch proceed as scheduled. NASA promptly accepted the launch recommendation without any discussion or any probing questions as they had done previously. NASA then asked for a signed copy of the launch rationale chart."
 
2003-01-28 02:32:31 PM
It was a snow day for us, so the kid brother and I were both home from school, watching the launch live on TV... We were both really into the Space thing at the time. He was 5, I was 15.

Trying to explain to him what had happened to "the people on the rocket" really isn't one of my fonder memories...

Somewhere at home I have a set of scrapbooks with every news clipping, wire photograph, and magazine article I could get my hands on about all of the early shuttle launches, from the Enterprise test flight on. I don't think I have very many from the post-Challenger launches though. It sort-of lost its fun after that.
 
2003-01-28 02:32:40 PM
OT: Drivinwest, do you ever eat at the Outpost? Are they still there? I haven't been to Webster in a while.

(We used to go there when they had live bands, I know they were having some financial trouble)
 
2003-01-28 02:34:42 PM
Ironbar

The only Punky Brewster episodes I remember are the ones where these pill-poppin' chicks wanted Punky and Cheri to join their club, and when one of Punky's friend's dad was too drunk to drive.

What about when Punky posed as a boy so she could join the all-boy RC Car club (she built a Tamiya Frog - the same RC car I had at the time thus I LOVED this one) or when Cheri hid in a refrigerator during 'hide and seek' and almost suffocated?

Now that was a good show.

What was with that flying alien dude on the cartoon though? That was just weird. X-Entertainment needs to do a Punky Brewster special.
 
2003-01-28 02:35:23 PM
My sister still hasn't forgiven me for calling the Challenger "the world's largest bottle rocket with report." Seems she had applied to be the teacher who went up and actually made it to some sort of semi-final cut stage. Ah, well, my sister is an asshat anyhow.
 
2003-01-28 02:37:54 PM
Numberz

OT: Drivinwest, do you ever eat at the Outpost? Are they still there? I haven't been to Webster in a while.

Sure do - it's a NASA icon. Sadly, they have to hold big fund raisers to keep the place in business. Great burgers and decent beer but Clear Lake has exploded in recent years and I suppose competition has take its toll.

Are you originally from the area?
 
2003-01-28 02:37:58 PM
I can't believe that was 17 years ago. That makes me younger than I thought I was and that explains why I don't remember it vividly. I know I was in elementary school, though. M
ore memorable in my lifetime was definately where I was when planes flew into skyscrapers on purpose. Driving home from my ex-gf's house about to get ready for work. I heard it on the radio and called her immediately because her Dad was a pilot for United.
 
2003-01-28 02:38:23 PM
Aero98
Drivinwest

Those are cool stories. Inspiring. Who DIDN"T want to be an astronaut?

The questions begs, however...

If you two are posting on Fark, who the hell is running the space station?

Roy (watching overhead)
 
2003-01-28 02:39:43 PM
Hey, Hamburger - I have the Coke version of that.



Also, isn't a little interesting that the Apollo 1 accident was 36 years ago yesterday?
 
2003-01-28 02:40:53 PM
Inignot

Very true, in fact, many topics of discussion in engineering ethics classes revolve around this very incident.
 
2003-01-28 02:41:17 PM
Litig8r-
You are just being contrary...
lol
 
2003-01-28 02:42:04 PM
 
2003-01-28 02:42:17 PM
Drivinwest: POIC In tha house! What position do you set? we may have talked on tha loops...
 
2003-01-28 02:42:32 PM
Inignot

"What followed mode me both sad and angry. The managers were struggling to make a list of data that would support a launch decision, but unfortunately for them, the data actually supported a no-launch decision. During the closed manager's discussion, Jerry Mason asked the other managers in a low voice if he was the only one who wanted to fly and no one answered him. At the end of the discussion, Mason turned to Bob Lund, Vice President of Engineering at MTI, and told him to take off his engineering hat and to put on his management hat. The vote poll was taken by only the four senior executives present since the engineers were excluded from both the final discussion with management and the vote poll. The telecon resumed and Joe Kilminster read the launch support rationale from a handwritten list and recommended that the launch proceed as scheduled. NASA promptly accepted the launch recommendation without any discussion or any probing questions as they had done previously. NASA then asked for a signed copy of the launch rationale chart."

See? Who says ineffective management is only limited to the Enron's and Worldcom's of the globe?
 
2003-01-28 02:43:12 PM
 
2003-01-28 02:45:07 PM
Sitting in Bio class, as a Senior, watching the thing on TV, because our Bio teacher had been on the short list to go on as an alternate. Went through training, and he was excited as hell to see his friends go up. Man was tears and left us with the TV for the better part of the hour. We all just sat there and watched...couldn't really help it. The entire faculty wound up popping in get bulletins, and we hardly noticed. Mr. Townsend took the next couple of days off.

Much more of a shock than Lennon or Reagan getting shot. One of the defining moments of my generation, much like knowing where you were when Kennedy was shot. Or the new Millenials will look on 9/11. Suddenly the world was a colder place.

And yes, the jokes just flowed like water. A way to cope, or to show that you weren't affected that much, to thumb your nose at death, but they still aren't in good taste. Good folks died that day, and that's never really funny.
 
2003-01-28 02:45:59 PM
Drivinwest,

No, I'm not from there, but I've crawled out of the outpost more than once at closing time (or later :-).

Something about BYOB, live music, and a hotel across the parking lot so you don't even need to drive home. Those were the days...

(plus, the joint was made immortal by Rocketman and Space Cowboys, donchu know)

There's something comforting knowing that there are Farkers working on the ISS.
 
2003-01-28 02:46:47 PM
I was in a cafeteria, a freshman in college. I heard the news from a friend known for sick jokes, and don't remember when I finally realized it was true.

I also remember when Elvis died, though I was very very young. But his next concert was going to be nearby (upstate New York) and I remember my neighbor across the street was on a local TV show with the 'blue suede shoes' cake she had already made and was going to give him at the concert.
 
2003-01-28 02:46:54 PM
Roy_D_Mercer

If you two are posting on Fark, who the hell is running the space station?

Well I worked all last night so I just woke up. Aero98, did you have a nother late-night sim? There's plenty of us to go around for perpetual operations. The sleep shifting sucks, as does working on Thanksgiving and Christmas (me last year) but on occasion I do get to wake up and noon and Fark during daylight hours thanks to it :)
 
2003-01-28 02:49:19 PM
I was standing outside of school and watched the whole thing, I live about an hour from the Cape. The thing I remember most was how long that cloud seemed to stay in the sky. It felt like an eternity.
 
2003-01-28 02:50:12 PM
I was i 6th grade and was checking out for the day (I can puke on command) any way I was carrying my pass from room to rrom to get ot signed and the librarian was watching the launch so I stuck in to see it finish. When the explosion happened I ran back to home room and told the class about it. They called my a liar and the teach (Fundie) took me to the office where I was promptly paddled for "Makin up lies". My ass was still burnin when the secretary popped her head in and told the principle. I never even got an apology. This is typical of my public school days.
 
2003-01-28 02:50:26 PM
Numberz

No, I'm not from there, but I've crawled out of the outpost more than once at closing time (or later :-).

Been there, done that :)

plus, the joint was made immortal by Rocketman and Space Cowboys, donchu know

Never saw Space Cowboys though I did try out to be an extra... jeez, I really have no excuse for never having seen it do I?
 
2003-01-28 02:51:06 PM
Remember it like yesterday. I played hookie from school that day, and was watching the launch live on TV. It was immediately obvious that it had exploded, but it took the news commentators a few minutes to catch on. Sad day indeed. For my generation, this event equates with knowing where you were when Kennedy was assassinated.
 
pr2
2003-01-28 02:51:10 PM
Drivinwest, have you ever seen or heard of any astronauts killing kittens on the space station?
 
2003-01-28 02:51:43 PM
It was my 22nd B'day, I was at work watching the launch from outside (I'm in Florida) when we saw a really weird smoke trail. Came back in to see what happened on TV. I remember it took the broadcasters awhile to figure out what they were seeing. They replayed it over and over again because they thought they saw an escape hatch blow off. My dad was supposed to take me to lunch for my birthday but since he was an editor for the Florida-Times Union - he was kinda busy after that moment.

It was certainly something I'll never forget...
 
2003-01-28 02:51:47 PM
Hip_about_time

POIC In tha house! What position do you set? we may have talked on tha loops...

No kidding!? I'm an ADCO. Front left of the BFCR.
 
2003-01-28 02:51:53 PM
Happy birthday, Alton, Stigant, Dorkas, Generation_D's GF, and...me. I was actually born almost exactly when it happened, according to my parents... So now they have this whole theory about me being a reincarnated astronaut...right...
 
2003-01-28 02:53:38 PM
Hip_about_time

I'm the guy trying to ensure no thruster firings during ZCG startup. Ring a bell at all?
 
2003-01-28 02:54:01 PM
Drivinwest

Well, I was just checking. Don't want another Skylab.

BTW, my kids love to go out and see the ISS on a fly-over. Rather awe-inspiring. We check the NASA site every few days to get the schedule.

Keep it up, er..uh, so to speak.

Roy
 
2003-01-28 02:55:02 PM
NASA Mission Summary for STS-51

Yes it was the O-rings that failed...but it was NASA's hasty decision to launch under freezing conditions that are mostly to blame. They got cocky, and they were under too much pressure to keep launching the orbiters on a regular basis.

 
2003-01-28 02:55:29 PM
The best thing about 247 ops is working 3rd orbit. Sleep till noon, stay on console till about midnigh, get home to e sleeping world to fark around late like I like to. Rinse repeat wipe hands on pants.

And as for the outpost, lord I went down to houston for some planning meetings in August. The OPs planners introduced me to St Arnolds. I got sloshed and acted a fool.
Then it was of to.,..sherlocks I beleive. But I may be wrong. It was that kinda night.
 
2003-01-28 02:56:44 PM
Yeah dont break our crystals PLEASE!!
 
2003-01-28 02:57:40 PM
I just got home from kindergarted, my dad had the TV on, watching the countdown... I was watching the TV as I took off my coat and saw it happen. The image of that smokey trail it left, the way it split like a 'Y', that still haunts me to this day. My school planted a tree dedicated to the crew a few months after it happened. That horrable event is one that ranks up there with the 3 most memorable events in my life.
 
2003-01-28 02:57:57 PM
TCO here
 
2003-01-28 02:58:27 PM


I can see it now...Photoshop what REALLY caused the Challenger to explode.

BTW- I watched it live on TV and only through humor can I find peace with the voices in my head.

dj
 
2003-01-28 02:58:30 PM
Happy Birthday, Sexy_Biatch
 
2003-01-28 03:00:33 PM
Why thank you LawTalkingGuy... I have to say I was kinda depressed about gettin old until I got carded TWICE on Sunday. Just thankful I don't look my age!!!
 
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