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2003-01-28 12:52:12 PM  
Thanks... I now know where I was 17 years ago today.

In the cafeteria at San Diego City College bulls**tting with my buddies when I was supposed to be in class.
 
2003-01-28 12:58:47 PM  
I was home sick from school the day it happened. I was eating chicken soup when the deal went down.
I was also home sick from school the day Reagan was shot.
I don't take many sick days thankfully.
 
2003-01-28 01:07:49 PM  
Yea, on my birthday. Thanks for the reminder.
 
2003-01-28 01:07:51 PM  
...and ushered in a new era of tasteless jokes.
 
2003-01-28 01:07:57 PM  
You guys remember that? Holy crap you're OOOOOOOLD!!!!
 
2003-01-28 01:08:04 PM  
I was at home because I had missed the bus, and my mom didn't feel like driving me. I got the day off just to watch the Challenger blow up.

In two days, the 17th anniversary of the first Challenger jokes. You know, remember, and love them all. Begin posting of those in 3, 2,...
 
2003-01-28 01:08:27 PM  
I'm old.
 
2003-01-28 01:08:39 PM  
I've just got one image in my head, sitting in one of those awful one-piece desks, looking up at the crappy TV, with the smoke trails exploding out. One single image.

I guess maybe the best thing you can say about people is that we do things we don't have to, and take risks we don't have to, because we want to know more about the world.

The worst thing you can say is that sometimes we do the same thing because we just want more power.
 
2003-01-28 01:08:41 PM  
i'm glad nobody has ever cracked a joke about that sad, sad incident...
 
2003-01-28 01:09:07 PM  
need another seven astronauts!
 
2003-01-28 01:09:13 PM  
Wow, I was in Jr. High. Some kid came up and told me, and I didn't believe him. But when I got to class they had TVs in all the classrooms.
 
2003-01-28 01:09:25 PM  
I was in elementary school, standing outside watching the space shuttle lift off when it exploded. They sent us home from school. That was a bad day.
 
2003-01-28 01:09:58 PM  
okok... something about launch meat... blew eyes, one blew left and... vacationing all over florida....
 
2003-01-28 01:10:15 PM  
I was in 4th grade, In class, watching the launch live on TV. Sitting next to a cute girl. Hmm, I wonder what happened to her :^(
 
2003-01-28 01:11:25 PM  
Back when we used to watched every space launch live...shiatty day.
 
2003-01-28 01:12:07 PM  
Let's see, I was a junior in high school, the seniors, who sometimes got to eat out for lunch, were coming back to school with lines like 'Hey dude, the shuttle blew up!'. We didn't believe them until the all-school announcement over the PA. Boy, that WAS a while back!
 
2003-01-28 01:12:08 PM  
I was 5 or 6 and remember hearing about it on the radio in my dad's car. I loved space and aliens and things like that when I was that age...coincidentally, there was a mild earthquake in Detroit that day, too....
 
2003-01-28 01:12:09 PM  
This is a tribute that I made for today...

http://www.digitalsymphony.com
 
2003-01-28 01:12:19 PM  
6th grade - William Allen Middle School - man, that was terrible. I think it really hit home since there was a teacher on board, and we had all sent letters of encouragement and were watching it excitedly live. That was a pretty bad day.
 
2003-01-28 01:12:25 PM  
They had gotten us all into the gym to watch it (I was in 5th grade) because of the teacher on board. They then had to console 400 screaming and crying children when it exploded.

God d*mn, I feel old.
 
2003-01-28 01:12:39 PM  
It added a whole new meaning to "major malfunction". If I'm ever on a plane and hear those words I'm going to stuff my ass with coal so some lucky paramedic can get rich on the diamonds.
 
2003-01-28 01:13:01 PM  
One blue this way, one blue that way.
 
2003-01-28 01:13:48 PM  
For some strange reason, I don't remember the what/where/whens/whys of that day for me. I probably was at the office and after that, probably was partying my brains out. Aaaaahhhh the 80's - good times.

I do remember when Lennon was shot and to age myself even further... when Elvis "died", Lynrd Skynrd plane crashed...
 
2003-01-28 01:14:18 PM  
10 years ago yesterday Andre the Giant died.
 
2003-01-28 01:14:51 PM  
I was 6 months old. I have no idea where I was ;).
 
2003-01-28 01:14:55 PM  
...and it took a physicist sticking an o-ring in a glass of ice-water to blow the top off the investigation, too.

Richard Feynman, for those who need to brush up on their geniuses.
 
2003-01-28 01:15:14 PM  
Godzirrrra: But his posse lives on.
 
2003-01-28 01:15:26 PM  
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2003-01-28 01:15:56 PM  
5th grade, and YOU feel old??

I had just gotten back to my dorm room from class (college), and I heard about it a few minutes later... if I'd been looking out my window at the time I'd probably have seen it. But when you're 18 you have other priorities.

Very bad day, indeed.
 
2003-01-28 01:16:09 PM  
Woodshop... Working on a half-pipe with my best friend. We went to the school cafeteria where some of the teachers had wheeled out one of those decrepit 'educational video' quality TV sets.

I remember how it felt. My history teacher cried through the my whole next class.
 
2003-01-28 01:16:11 PM  
7th grade- someone cracked a joke the day it happened, and my English teacher FREAKED on the whole class, talking about how his brother made it to the top 10 candidates and then was chosen, but took a swig of champagne and freaking grabbed a jetpack and went nuts.

Okay, that second part was from the Simpsons, but he still freaked on us, of that you can be sure.
 
2003-01-28 01:16:27 PM  
What a crummy day. I was at OU and that night while delivering pizzas a dog ran out in front of me and I hit it while the owner watched in horror.

That was a low day.
 
2003-01-28 01:17:30 PM  
I was in my dorm lobby watching it with about 20 other girls in their PJs. I called my father and told him to turn on the TV because the shuttle had blown up. He hung up without saying another word. Sad day.
 
2003-01-28 01:18:35 PM  
Hmm, Let's see... I was in fourth grade English -- Mrs Webb -- when she took a call and came back to the room to tell us the terrible news.

Oh wait, that was 11/22/63. Wrong event.

Nevermind.

Roy
 
2003-01-28 01:19:29 PM  
Jr. high school in East Detroit MI. What a day.
 
2003-01-28 01:19:37 PM  
Never mind those who were kids in elementary school, I have to wonder what the scene was at the teacher's school.
 
2003-01-28 01:19:56 PM  
This was easily the most horrifying experience of my young life. Even now, I get goosebumps watching the video. I was at home sick as I recall, but everyone at the school was watching it live. My mother freaked out and started crying when it happened, I was just in shock. Then, we went to pick up my siblings from school and everyone there was crying. Truly a terrible tragedy, and one of the defining moments of the lives of all of the millions of people who witnessed it, particularly those of us who were still little kids.

I loved the space program, and watched every launch. I had a toy space shuttle, and a patch from when the shuttle landed at White Sands in 1980 (or was it 81?). The Challenger disaster is something that will stay fresh in my mind forever.
 
2003-01-28 01:20:27 PM  
Did you know that they had shampoo om board,....they founf head and shoulders all over the place.
 
2003-01-28 01:20:27 PM  
My entire 5th grade class was watching the takeoff on television when that happened. Serious trauma for a group of 10 year old kids.

****moment of silence****
 
2003-01-28 01:20:38 PM  
Over-Under on posts it takes to respond to Lsu_girl's "20 girls in PJs" comment is 10 posts. I take the under.
 
2003-01-28 01:20:58 PM  
Leppe007: Damn young whippersnappers. ;)

It was a few weeks right before we got married. We walked from where we were living at the time to Bayshore Blvd. here in Tampa. Sad day.
 
2003-01-28 01:21:08 PM  
I was in Germany at the time, so we had to wait til the delayed CNN footage to hear about it. But my elementary school on base was very much into the Challenger event. We had a walkathon the day earlier and each received medals for completing the race. It had a picture of the Challenger in orbit over the earth. It was just so sad for everyone to look at those medals from that day on.

The medal was very cool, I'd post a picture of it if my folks weren't so adamant on keeping it at their place.
 
2003-01-28 01:21:17 PM  
I was in Mrs Brinkman's music class. 3rd grade. They announced it over the PA system. Mrs Brinkman the only woman to ever drag me by the ear began crying. I was conviced the shuttle had blown up quite close to the school (I was in Canada) why else would they interupt Mrs. Brinkman???
 
2003-01-28 01:21:17 PM  
I saw it live in school too. Like another post said, I only have one memory of it. Sitting in a desk watching in amazement at the shuttle blowing up.
 
2003-01-28 01:21:32 PM  
Today in History - Jan. 28
By The Associated Press

Today's Highlight in History:

On Jan. 28, 1973, a cease-fire officially went into effect in the Vietnam War.

On this date:

In 1853, Cuban revolutionary Jose Marti was born in Havana.

In 1878, the first commercial telephone switchboard went into operation, in New Haven, Conn.

In 1878, the first daily college newspaper, the ``Yale News,'' began publication in New Haven, Conn.

In 1909, the United States ended direct control over Cuba.

In 1915, the Coast Guard was created by an act of Congress.

In 1916, Louis D. Brandeis was appointed by President Wilson to the Supreme Court, becoming its first Jewish member.

In 1945, during World War II, Allied supplies began reaching China over the newly reopened Burma Road.

In 1980, six U.S. diplomats who had avoided being taken hostage at their embassy in Tehran flew out of Iran with the help of Canadian diplomats.

In 1982, Italian anti-terrorism forces rescued U.S. Brig. Gen. James L. Dozier, 42 days after he had been kidnapped by the Red Brigades.

In 1986, the space shuttle Challenger exploded 73 seconds after liftoff from Cape Canaveral, killing all seven crew members.

Ten years ago: The Israeli Supreme Court unanimously upheld the deportations of 400 Palestinians from the occupied territories to Lebanon. Funeral services were held in Washington for former Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall.

Five years ago: The day after his State of the Union address, President Clinton barnstormed in the nation's heartland, where he was warmly received; accompanying him was Vice President Al Gore, who urged Americans to ``join me in supporting him and standing by his side.''

One year ago: Hamid Karzai became the first Afghan leader to visit Washington in 39 years; President George W. Bush promised a ``lasting partnership'' with Afghanistan. Afghan troops backed by U.S. Special Forces stormed a hospital ward in Kandahar, killing six al-Qaida gunmen who had repeatedly refused to surrender. An Ecuadorean jetliner crashes in the Andes across the border in Colombia, killing all 92 aboard. ``Pippi Longstocking'' creator Astrid Lindgren died in Stockholm, Sweden, at age 84.

Today's Birthdays: Musician-composer Acker Bilk is 74. Author Susan Sontag is 70. Actor Nicholas Pryor is 68. Actor Alan Alda is 67. Actress Susan Howard is 61. Actress Marthe Keller is 58. Actress-singer Barbi Benton is 53. Actress Harley Jane Kozak is 46. Rock musician Dave Sharp is 44. Rock singer Sam Phillips is 41. Country musician Greg Cook (Ricochet) is 38. Singer Sarah McLachlan is 35. Rapper Rakim is 35. DJ Muggs (Cypress Hill) is 35. Singer Joey Fatone Jr. ('N Sync) is 26. Singer Nick Carter (Backstreet Boys) is 23. Actor Elijah Wood is 22
 
2003-01-28 01:21:47 PM  
I was in 8th grade. And I ended up mentioning the whole thing in my graduation speech. (yea, in small town america, we graduated from 8th grade before we went to high school - I don't think some people ever graduated from anything ever again).

I remember I was in Social Studies class. I didn't believe it at first either. Had to be a joke. Sadly, it wasn't.
 
2003-01-28 01:21:47 PM  
I can't even figure what grade/age I was at, I was sitting in the gym with the whole class when it exploded.

We all looked at Mr. Smith who was vying for the spot on the Challenger. Needless to say he was white, and we all hugged him.
 
2003-01-28 01:21:56 PM  
OK why is the 17 aniversary news worthy?

I thought the 16th was better.
 
2003-01-28 01:22:34 PM  
Just got home from working midnight shift.
 
2003-01-28 01:23:06 PM  
Junior High for me too. Almost the same situation as AbbyNormal. Weird.
 
2003-01-28 01:23:20 PM  
One of those moments in time when you actually feel history in the making... I was at work and this guy had the radio on. I'll never forget watching his face change as the news hit. "Check it out," he said, "the space shuttle launched a few minutes ago. It blew up." Shock rippling through the office. "The astronauts?" someone asked. He listened for a few mor moments, then just shook his head. -- We stayed at work, but everything pretty much came to a standstill for the rest of the day.
 
2003-01-28 01:23:38 PM  
I was working as an engineering intern for United Technologies, Space and Sea systems division. They make the space suite (Extravehicular Mobility Unit).

Was a sad day.
What a way to start a career...
 
2003-01-28 01:23:38 PM  
I remember the day well, I was at the local church, getting fondled by an elder, when I heard the news. I began to cry, so the elder "comforted" me a little more. What a sad day indeed... Assclowns.
 
2003-01-28 01:23:41 PM  
I was working at KMTN in Jackson Hole. The only station I've worked for that had a TV in the studio...was watching the lift-off, etc. For the rest of my shift I had people coming in off the street to watch the TV. Drove me frickin' nuts!

"Trying to do a show here, people!"
 
2003-01-28 01:23:50 PM  
Eh. In the grand scheme of things it was unfortunate, perhaps sad, but realisitically, it was a non-incident. 7 people. BFD. We lose more than that in traffic accidents most days in Philly. Y'all only remember what you were doing because the media seized upon the theme that had been created in response to the whole Kennedy "where were you when" thing and fixed it in your mind. Where was I at the time? Hell if I know...somewhere in Saudi Arabia throwing rocks at camels, probably.
 
2003-01-28 01:24:01 PM  
I had a similar experience as
 
2003-01-28 01:24:25 PM  
Standingon the beachin Cocoa Beach. Very cold day. My friedns worked on (and still do) the shuttle systems. Not funny here, never was. Lots of those folks still blame themselves. Suicides, depression, alcoholism, you name it....
Still feel like joking about seven brave souls trying to do their best for their country now ass-hats?
 
2003-01-28 01:24:36 PM  
17 years? I would have been two. I don't remember it, but I know that it was a real shame. It seems to me that Astronauts are our only real, honest-to-God heros these days. So here's to them! Boldly going where no one has gone before!
 
2003-01-28 01:25:19 PM  
I guess I'm part of the "older" crowd. I was a Senior in High School, and we didn't get to watch it on TV. During second period, the room speaker came on with an announcement. We were told that the space shuttle had exploded. I forget if there were any other details, I just remember the room getting awfully silent.

"Thankfully", the news replayed the explosion about a billion times that night. It's a sight that'll definately never be forgotten. :-(

"Now you never did see such a terrible thing
As was seen last night on TV
Maybe if we're lucky, they will show it again
Such a terrible thing to see"
    -- Genesis, "Domino"
 
2003-01-28 01:25:30 PM  
Seventh grade. I remember I was in computer lab, surrounded by Tandy machines running Logo with a turtle as a cursor for the CLI.

We had the TV on in the room and were all watching. Withing minutes, other teachers who had just heard the news were running to our TV crying. Sad day.
 
2003-01-28 01:25:57 PM  
I was a freshman in h.s., sitting in the school library during lunch, screwing around with some friends instead of studying for a test we all put off studying for. One of the librarians wheeled out a tv and turned it on, and we watched all the replays, just minutes after it happened. I remember we were all shocked into silence. After lunch had come and gone, the librarian finally sent us off to class about 10 minutes late, and we were the first ones to tell our classmates and teacher.
Anyway, I guess that is pretty boring, but for me it was very memorable, and very sad. I will always remember it.

The space program rocks, though. We ought to have a base on the moon now, and we should be on the way to Mars.
 
2003-01-28 01:26:11 PM  
Remember it like it was yesterday. I was in my car, turning into the parking lot on my way to geology class. I was the first to know in my class and passed the news around.

I remember Lennon too. I got in the car after work and was wondering why there was so much Lennon music playing. I remember even thinking "What...did he die or something?" Swear to god I thought that.

How about when Elvis went? I was working in a grocery store. Our courtesy desk girl (Tana) told me.

I was even around for Kennedy, but I was only 3 (go ahead, do the math) so I don't remember anything about it.

Oh, and Happy Birthday Alton.
 
2003-01-28 01:26:22 PM  
Wow. I haven't thought of that day in a while.

I was home stoned out of my mind watching it live on TV when it happened. I could not believe my eyes when it exploded after launch. Sobered me right up.

/sad
 
2003-01-28 01:26:24 PM  
I watched it live while I was in 10th grade in Daytona Beach. I was about 40 miles away, very clear to see.

I still remember the 'strange looking' exhaust plume, one that I hadn't seen before.

Then came the jokes: favorite drink? 7-up, etc.
 
2003-01-28 01:26:35 PM  
I was in 3rd grade at Elm Creek Elementary School in Maple Grove, MN. They repeated the video about 500 times before they sent us home.
 
2003-01-28 01:26:49 PM  
Punch line central....

Honey, you feed the dog I'll feed the fish
One blew this way one blew that way
Need another seven astraunts (NASA)
Now accepting seven applications (NASA)
The black guy was freebasing
The oriental was driving
 
2003-01-28 01:26:55 PM  
I was incredibly stoked after having just gotten one of these.
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Still have it too:)
 
2003-01-28 01:27:09 PM  
I remember sitting in the first grade classroom (I was in second) watching it with all of first and second grade and a half dozen teachers. When it blew up, most of us didn't understand the significance. We all saw the teachers crying, but weren't sure exactly why. The innocence of the young mind.

That was one of those things I'll never forget.
 
2003-01-28 01:27:52 PM  
I was about to take a Biology exam when the school announced the accident. We were sent home. Incidentally, the Memorial to the Challenger was supposed to be at the USA pavillion at Expo 86, but all they had were their pictures and the date of the explosion etched onto a plaque.
 
2003-01-28 01:27:59 PM  
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/express train to hell
 
2003-01-28 01:29:00 PM  
I was about 7 when this happened. I don't remember anything else from that far back, but I do remember the Challenger accident. We weren't watching live, but someone came in and told the teacher about it. She immediately put the TV on, and we spent the rest of the day watching the news about it. I remember the two years without shuttle flights, and I remember watching the first new takeoff live once flights were resumed.

My generation now has two disasters that will remain forever in our minds--the Challenger incident, and the WTC attack. Then again, we also have the tearing-down of the Berlin wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union.
 
2003-01-28 01:29:05 PM  
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the O-rings were farked up
 
2003-01-28 01:29:12 PM  
3rd grade, teacher from other homeroom called us over to see what happened...sorta morbid, really.
 
2003-01-28 01:29:18 PM  
4th grade..teacher cried.

I remember the the "jokes" that came after it too.

something about "head and shoulders"

\to hell I go dum dee dum
 
2003-01-28 01:29:21 PM  
I was home sick from school. All of a sudden they break into The Price Is Right.

Asshats never did tell me who won the Showcase Showdown.
 
2003-01-28 01:29:55 PM  
Yea, on my birthday. Thanks for the reminder.

Its mine too... happy birthday.
 
2003-01-28 01:30:20 PM  
Litig8r: I'd agree with you on principle, but I remember that we'd made a really big deal about a teacher going into space and all our classes had space themes and all this stuff, so the launch was a big deal at our school. All that buildup ending with the death of a person we'd been really almost idolizing until that point was a pretty serious shock.
 
2003-01-28 01:30:38 PM  
Webalina: Re: Lennon - just like when Jerry Garcia died - It was like non-stop Grateful Dead music for what seemed like weeks!! (not that this is really a bad thing... but variety is the spice of life)
 
2003-01-28 01:30:39 PM  
I was in the Army, stationed in Germany. Watched it on tv at a friend's house.
We all kinda went numb. Like, "this can't be what I'm seeing".
Sad, sad day.
 
2003-01-28 01:32:49 PM  
WTF Ironbar. I usually look forward to your posts, but jesus, where is the humor?
 
2003-01-28 01:33:31 PM  
I havent thought about this in years...
I still have the mission patch from that flight.
 
2003-01-28 01:33:48 PM  
Phong3d: I suppose you are correct. The troubles I really have with the entire thing are i) the whole "hero" designation; ii) the constant coverage; iii) the teachers crying thing (that one in particular); iv) and the fact that everyone who "witnessed" it was gifted with an associate victim status.
 
2003-01-28 01:33:58 PM  
Agreed, Phong3d. People who weren't involved in elementary schools at that time probably don't really grasp what a really big deal the teacher in space program was to us. We had been anticipating the launch for months. Whole curriculums were based around it, and then the whole thing ended in this horrible tragedy that our young eyes saw live and in color. For those of us that young, the space program was a magical thing, and to have this experience shook us to the core.
 
2003-01-28 01:34:18 PM  
I had just started college (I'm soooo... old). A friend of mine had a 'Come as your favourite dead person' party the following weekend. I went as a space shuttle astronout and wore a pair of burnt blue coveralls painted with NASA logos with a fish hanging out of my pocket

BTW, Jesus and Elvis say "Hi".
 
2003-01-28 01:35:13 PM  
I was a couple of hundred miles away, off of Mayport, FL, in the same general part of the ocean, aboard a research vessel called USNS Kane. The weather was very unusual. The sea was calm, but a cold front had blasted through the night before, the air was much colder than the sea water, and there was a lot of low-hanging sea fog...very eerie. We were watching the launch on TV in the ship's officer's wardroom. Actually, it was just on TV in the background and we weren't paying much attention. I noticed something odd on the TV image and we started to pay much more attention. At first we figured it must have something to do with the unusual weather. Over the next several hours we were in limbo, wondering if the ship would be sent south to participate in the search-and-rescue efforts, since it was equipped with a lot of bathymetric and acoustic research equipment. Eventually we were told not to come, and went north to Charleston.
 
2003-01-28 01:35:40 PM  
Thanks, Littig8r....
Now I know why we all hate lawyers. Capt. assclown
 
2003-01-28 01:37:22 PM  
Cheezalot: Why can't I get invited to or even hear about parties like that??? I have a life preserver that managed to slip into my carry-on bag on a flight, and I would like to use it... I'm waiting for the 9-11 furor to die down before I decide to dress as a plan crash survivor.
 
2003-01-28 01:37:50 PM  
9/11 was just a tad worse
 
2003-01-28 01:37:56 PM  
Playeriam:

No, you hate us because we make more money than most folks, profit from the misery of others, and are part of a system that both confuses and frightens you.

Cheers :)
 
2003-01-28 01:39:43 PM  
I was in 2nd grade at the time. The crazy part is, my future 5th grade science teacher was one of the candidates to go on the shuttle. Luckily, she didn't.
 
2003-01-28 01:40:51 PM  
Crap! has it been that long?!!!
 
2003-01-28 01:41:32 PM  
Litig8r: Well, my teachers cried - and that's not a placed memory from group reminiscences or media coverage. We went on with our daily schedule, but the classes were pretty much just unstructured talking with teachers who had tears in their eyes most of the time. With the exception of my dad, I really hadn't seen a man cry until Mr. Fialkow did that day. Anyway, I don't consider myself a "victim" of that day any more than I consider myself a victim of September 11th or any other incredible national catharsis, but the events of that day left a permanent impression on me, one that I hope I never forget.
 
2003-01-28 01:42:10 PM  
All I remember is that there was a "very special" episode of Punky Brewster not long after.
 
2003-01-28 01:42:58 PM  
17 years ago? Holy shiat, that means more than half my life has transpired since then. And I remember precisely where I was when I first heard about it. Outside at high school during open lunch on a cold but sunny winter day. I figured it was just some kind of minor malfunction at first, but obviously that changed when I saw video footage of it. That has to be one of the saddest days in American history despite the relatively low loss of life compared to other memorable tragedies like September 11 and Pearl Harbor.
 
2003-01-28 01:44:14 PM  
I remember that day vividly. We were outside watching it take off, not on TV but outside, even on the other side of the state you can watch the launches. We weren't sure what happened until we went back inside and saw it on TV. Everything was a total bummer after that, it was nice to see the next launch after that to show the program could overcome a tragity that big.
 
2003-01-28 01:44:52 PM  
Back when I was teaching (1995-1999), a certain cultural event had similar impact on the nation's classrooms (minus the crying teachers) and will surely be similarly discussed.

That's right- I'm speaking of the O.J. verdict.
 
2003-01-28 01:45:08 PM  
What I'm surprised about it no one has yet to mention the coverage after the accident. From a Florida paper that finally got FOIA documents from NASA that said the astronauts didn't die on the explosion, but died "probably" on impact with the ocean. And the various accompanying data showing how certain emergency procedures had been done in the crew area, etc.

That's morbid to think about. And I don't doubt why NASA tried to hide/bury that information.
 
2003-01-28 01:47:24 PM  
I was 4, i didn't get it. It was a sad loss though. Ido remember watching the first shuttle that was launched after that though, because it was such a big signifigance. (sp?)
Everyone was scared out of thier minds.
 
2003-01-28 01:48:15 PM  
~SILENCE~
 
2003-01-28 01:48:24 PM  
Thank you Ironbar. Nice to know I'm not completely unreasonable in my sentiments, or lack thereof.
 
2003-01-28 01:48:37 PM  
litig8r-
Or should I say "Capt assclown". I do not have a need to "make money", as I, fortunately, am the result of a family trust, and do not require an infusion of cash. I am not confused by graft, corruption, and immoratlity, so you don't confuse me either. Having had a tour of "the other part of the system" I am not frightened by that either.
Our hate for your kind is instilled from birth. Shakespeare said it best "first we kill all the lawyers".
You're just an excellan poster child for the movement.
God how I hope your moniker means you don't actually sit in my family's stadium and watch our school's games....
 
2003-01-28 01:48:42 PM  
Happy birthday to me
 
2003-01-28 01:48:44 PM  
My father died that same day. We were in Houston having the funeral at the same time all the memorial services were going on at NASA. Seemed like everyone everywhere was mourning.

.<
 
2003-01-28 01:49:07 PM  
George: I was actually Googling for something to that effect when this came up on Fark, but got sidetracked (probably replying to Litig8r). That came out a few years ago, didn't it? I read a synopsis of that and felt cold all over. You can take some solace in the old "well, they died quickly" canard, but thinking that they rode that thing all the way into the ocean, conscious the whole time, just makes the bottom drop out of your stomach.
 
Ant
2003-01-28 01:49:47 PM  

I don't remember where I was when it happened, but I do remember this:


Q: How many astronauts will fit in a Volkswagen Bug?

A: Eleven. Four in the seats, and seven in the ashtray.
 
2003-01-28 01:50:47 PM  
I remember that. I was late to class and all the teachers @ my high school were hauling ass to the teachers lounge to watch the news. Pretty sad day, all around.

A couple years later, in college, I had a teacher (Mr. Cristopherson, Cultural Geography) who said without equivocation that the shuttle disaster was engineered by the feds to take the spotlight off the ten-year anniversary of the botched helicopter hostage rescue in Iran. He was the first conspiracy theorist I ever really met. Good times....
 
2003-01-28 01:51:22 PM  
to all those who think they are old, dont. just take whatever age you are now, and add at least 10-20 years, and say THAT is old.

ahh, denial, the best things in life are free...
 
2003-01-28 01:51:35 PM  
I was home that day from school for some reason. The guy on the radio said there was an explosion on the Space Shuttle. I didn't think anything of it, but 10 min later I casually mentioned it to my Mom. She freaked out and turned on the TV. The other thing I remember was watching the the explosion video over and over looking for signs of an escape pod or something. I was sure I would see it.
 
2003-01-28 01:52:03 PM  
Ironbar kinder ironic that, since everyone remembers the jokes that came after this. I remember that it was such a significant phenomenon that there was a psychologist on the local news explaining how people joked about tragedy as a way to deal with them, and that it was a healthy and not unexpected thing.

That being said, it was a long while before I could laugh at any jokes. I was in high school but home, for some reason. I'm pretty sure I wasn't sick, so maybe I was skipping. Anyway, I saw the explosion happen about 60 times that morning, and I can still replay the whole "major malfunction" patter in my head.

Hamburger what the hell is that? Does Pepsi make whipped cream? Whipped Pepsi? [Up here in Canada we don't have half the way-out wacky consumer products that are available in the States]•
 
2003-01-28 01:52:04 PM  
I was also home sick from school that day (11th grade). I remember they showed the shuttle blowing up, then showed that teacher's parents for about 5 minutes with the "What's that? That can't be what it looks like," look on their faces.

One of 3 times I can remember when time seemed to stop for everyone in the country and no one talked about anything else, the others being the day Reagan was shot and 9/11.
 
2003-01-28 01:53:11 PM  
Not everything needs humor injected into it. This is one of those things. Congratulations to all those that still feel a need to "joke" about this. My faith in humanity has been dropped yet another peg. By the way, just hilarious those jokes are. Really! You should be proud. Just as proud as those astronauts were at having been chosen to participate in this mission.
 
2003-01-28 01:54:30 PM  
Playeriam:
How nice that you are lucky enough to have fallen out of the right pair of legs onto a pile of money. Ah yes, the "kill all the lawyers" line. Dick the Butcher. Very amusing. Quoting a killer. Certainly strengthens your position.

/skips the spelling and grammar flame

Oh to hell with it:

"as I, fortunately, am the result of a family trust"

Genesis through capitalism. Novel concept.
 
2003-01-28 01:57:12 PM  
I was late for work. Saw the start of the launch, but figured I'd catch up later. Drove 1 mi to work, walked in. Coworkers were all gawking at the TV. Without knowing what happened, I blurted out "what happen, did the Challenger blow up or something?"

Needless to say, I felt like shiat immediately after.

And thats not all. As some of you might remember, the Chicago Bears won Super Bowl XX just 2 days before. Their first championship in 22 years, and my first championship of any "home team" of any kind.

But, instead of what should have been days and days of happy feel-good post-victory glow, instead all we had to think about from that point on was O-Rings and Reagan and the idiots that overruled the engineers.

Never overrule the engineers, children, or your teacher will explode.
 
2003-01-28 01:57:40 PM  
I have one of those Pepsi cans too, Hamburger. Love it.

i was in the 6th grade. We were eating lunch when they told us about it. Oddly, we had just started studying the space program that day. Our teacher (who was a pilot) was so upset by it that we did nothing for the rest of the day. We even had a framed picture of Christa in our classroom.
 
2003-01-28 01:57:42 PM  
i was 8 at the time. i remember watching it live on tv and then running to the classroom window to look for an explosion. i live in ohio, so no explosion. i was home the day of the oklahoma bombing/explosion. bad feelings watching the live coverage.
 
2003-01-28 01:58:11 PM  
Mercury6613: I've got a thesis on humor, its relationship to tragic events and even its necessity as an outlet that I wrote in college. Got an "A", too. Not to say that it's "inappropriate", but I was hearing these same jokes half an hour after the incident in 6th grade. If you need your faith in humanity to drop a few pegs, watch some episodes of "The Bachelorette". :)
 
2003-01-28 01:59:28 PM  
The saddest days in American history during my lifetime:

1) Space Shuttle Challenger
2) Bill Buckner botching that play
3) John Lennon's assassination
4) September 11th
5) Attempted assassination of Reagan
 
2003-01-28 01:59:30 PM  
litig8r

Shakespeare a killer? Hoe deluded are you? Perhaps stepping off of your holier than thou-unwashed masses drivel spewn box, and actually being human might do you a little good...
Cheers indeed....
 
2003-01-28 02:00:01 PM  
I was living in St Petersburg, Florida with my Dad at the time. We were watching the lift-off that morning with my Dad's girlfriend. I remember after what we saw on tv, I ran outside and looked to the east to see the forked contrail where the rocket had split up. I also remember hoping against hope that somehow, someone had survived, but that was not to be. Definetly not a good day....
/raises a toast to heroes no longer with us.
 
Ant
2003-01-28 02:00:03 PM  
Not everything needs humor injected into it. This is one of those things. Congratulations to all those that still feel a need to "joke" about this. My faith in humanity has been dropped yet another peg.

I didn't make up the joke. I just remembered it.

I don't know why I don't remember where I was when this happened though. I remember where I was for Lennon, Reagan, The start of Desert Storm and the WTC/Pentagon but not this...hmmmm
 
2003-01-28 02:00:29 PM  
Playeriam that was probably the weakest and most flawed attack on someone I've ever seen.
 
2003-01-28 02:02:05 PM  
Playeriam:

God. You don't even know the line that you are quoting. The character, Dick, was a killer. The line was a lawyer joke, not a deep philosopical revelation.
 
2003-01-28 02:02:44 PM  
When my dad passed away and we were driving back to the hotel after the wake, we started to get real silly and tell some jokes that, to an outsider, would have seemed to be just wrong. Anyhow, it wasn't done out of disrespect to dear old dad, it was just "comic relief". We were laughing so hard that all of us damn near pee'd ourselves. Hell, when I got home with his ashes, my friends that picked me up at the airport were making all sorts of comments/jokes, etc. You gotta lighten up and take things in context.
 
2003-01-28 02:03:04 PM  
I'll tell my GF's story, since she doesn't read fark.

1/28 is her birthday. In second grade, they were about to hand out cupcakes her mother had baked to celebrate her birthday. Instead, the Challenger blew up. They never ate her birthday cupcakes, and the day turned from happy to sad.

To this day she mourns over her second grade birthday lost, and how she never got to have her cupcakes.
 
2003-01-28 02:03:59 PM  
Oh Boy...
7th Grade,Gulf Middle School...Holiday,Fl.
I Wathced It Live Outside While Going To The Portable Classrooms.As Soon As I Saw The Smoke Plume,I Knew Something Was Wrong.That Day Will Live In Me Forever,Only Because It's The Day After My Birthday.I Was Only 3 Blocks Away When Lennon Was Shot In NY...I Remember Seeing All The Comotion And The EMS Units Headed That Way.And My Wife's Birthday Is On 9/11 Also.
 
2003-01-28 02:05:16 PM  
Femme Fatale -- Holy crap, you had Mrs. Brinkman??? You went to Hollyrood? Me too! Scary coincidence!

Yes, she was a mean teacher.
 
2003-01-28 02:05:45 PM  
I was in the 2nd grade. My teacher brought a TV into our classroom to watch the coverage. It didn't register at all, I just started at it blankly like most TV programs. I guess nowadays it wouldn't be appropriate to let 2nd graders watch something like that in a classroom.

As a side note, space ice cream is the shizznit.
 
2003-01-28 02:06:11 PM  
Playeriam: Contrary to what you think, not all lawyers are scumbags.

Litig8r: Ignore the troll. Anyone that makes that kind of a gross generalization doesn't deserve the time of day. Although being a litigator, I'm sure you argue well...
 
2003-01-28 02:06:54 PM  
. . .give me a light. . .


/obscure punch line
 
2003-01-28 02:07:22 PM  
I was home from grade school on a snow day. I wanted to be an Astronaut. My grandparents have two Polariods of the white trails in the skies, taken from St. Petersburg.
 
2003-01-28 02:07:38 PM  
George

i don't think NASA has tried to cover that information. The video footage shows the orbiter cabin striking the water in more or less one piece. A means of getting out of the orbiter, while still in atmospheric flight, was made available before the orbiters could resume flight. Over 200 improvements were made to safety following the 86 travesty.

People used to cheer once the shuttle left the pad...but now...no one cheers until those SRBs are off...i don't cheer until the Orbiter is in Orbit.

I was in 4th grade when the sad news scarred the images into my head. Very sad. But was probably one of the defining moments in my life to pursue a career in the space program. And here I am...flight controller for the International Space Station.
 
2003-01-28 02:10:55 PM  
I was home from school on a snow day, too. I was 10, watching with my mom and little sister.
 
2003-01-28 02:11:13 PM  
[image from pocono-pipe.org too old to be available]
bob's eating contest.
found him searching for challenger photos. doh.
 
2003-01-28 02:11:27 PM  
Aero: Is your job as cool as it sounds?
 
2003-01-28 02:11:40 PM  
Expertise is cheap, Playeriam. That's why Litig8r is in such a lucrative business. He provides expert service for less money that it would cost for YOU to go to law school and learn how defend your ass in court.

If he wants to charge $300 an hour, that's up to him. If he's good enough, he'll be able to get away with that, because he'll win cases. If he's not, then he won't be able to charge that kind of money. So basically he has to be an entirely self made man.

Now I don't know about your circumstances, but if your money comes from an inheritance or a family trust, then that's wonderful. Just don't tear down somebody you don't know anything about. And go get a job and a haircut.
 
2003-01-28 02:12:03 PM  
Not nearly as memorable as Budd Dwyer blowing his brains out on TV a year later.
 
2003-01-28 02:12:21 PM  
Perisoft

...and it took a physicist sticking an o-ring in a glass of ice-water to blow the top off the investigation, too.

Actually, the problem of gas blow-by at cold temperatures was knows by Morton-Thiokol engineers well before 1/28/86 and more than one recommended a launch scrub for that very reason.

At the time, the engineers who designed the thing had less say than the people who operated it (it takes very different kinds of knowledge to design vs. operate/integrate a given system) and the people who operated were not given any constraints based on temperature.

Now at NASA, the Mission Controllers have real-time support of the engineers for technical advice, and the engineers provide recommendations and constraints on every parameter you can imagine.
 
2003-01-28 02:12:34 PM  
I was at home that day for some reason or another. My only assumption is that I was sick. I was watching it on my parents' bed with my mom.


Shooting a head a few years... remember in that "Naked Gun" movie with the orgasm scene? Did anybody else think that having an image of the Challenger blowing up in the sequence to be extremely tasteless?
 
2003-01-28 02:13:53 PM  
Thanks for all the support, folks :)
 
2003-01-28 02:14:47 PM  
Eh. In the grand scheme of things it was unfortunate, perhaps sad, but realisitically, it was a non-incident. 7 people. BFD. We lose more than that in traffic accidents most days in Philly...i>

How very wrong. This event was very significant. It set us back in the space program at a very crucial time. We were in a race to the moon with the Jerrys. God forbid Herr Schmidt get there first!
 
2003-01-28 02:15:17 PM  
6th grade at st. thomas moore elementary
it was raining so we had indoor recess, and i was playing that paper football game when they announced it over the PA
 
2003-01-28 02:15:19 PM  
For the record Litig8r I think we both know that all lawyers are indeed asshats, but we're not worth a crap if we can let people get away with pointing it out to us.
 
2003-01-28 02:15:30 PM  
Support/schmupport Litig8r, lawyer jokes are really, really old...
 
2003-01-28 02:15:31 PM  

CNN has been running a story in their education section since yesterday about how so many school kids have signed up their teachers to go into space.

"Because we all hate him and want him to leave, please take him," one student wrote.


I was tending bar the day the Challenger blew up (lunch shift through close). I remember staring at the white cloud of smoke on the screen, hoping the shuttle would just fly out of the other side, as if they had a bad camera angle or something. Needless to say, it never happened.

Lots of drinks served that night.
 
2003-01-28 02:15:52 PM  
Aero98

I was in 4th grade when the sad news scarred the images into my head... And here I am...flight controller for the International Space Station.

I was in 3rd grade when it happened and just like Aero98 it shaped what I wanted to do... what a coincidence, I'm a flight controller for the International Space Station too!

OK, not so much of a coincidence really as Aero98 and I know each other :)
 
2003-01-28 02:16:01 PM  
Impaler:

Well said, Mr. Burns. :P
 
2003-01-28 02:17:12 PM  
I'll assume you are all smart enough to take the "i>" of my last post and figure it as the close tag
 
2003-01-28 02:17:37 PM  
I don't think all lawyers are asshats, I just think that 99% of lawyers are asshats. But as litig8r pointed out, they profit off the misery of others, and I for one think that's a wonderful, wonderful thing, so maybe they're not all that bad.

$$$

=)
 
2003-01-28 02:18:02 PM  
Litig8r: My grandfather was a lawyer, and a good one. The law of averages says you can't all be bottom-feeding shiatbarges ;) Happy litig8ing!
 
2003-01-28 02:18:06 PM  
LawTalkingGuy:

Damn right. 99% of them give the rest of us a bad name...
Now if you will excuse me, I need to go finish my response to a motion for sanctions (unfounded of course).
 
2003-01-28 02:18:25 PM  
sorry.

/threadjack
 
2003-01-28 02:18:28 PM  
AuntofDogface

Yes, this is a pretty cool job.
Space flight is the schiznat.
 
2003-01-28 02:18:31 PM  
All I remember is the "Very Special Punky Brewster" episode about the whole mess. Punky was sad.
 
2003-01-28 02:19:25 PM  
And once again
"Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground"
Come on sing with me...
"Oh I've seen fire and I've seen rain....."

Or the always fun and catchy
"What goes up.... must come down... Spinning wheel goes round and round"

I got to watch the explosion live on tv in my sixth grade classroom. At first I was shocked and saddend but over time I became aroused. Is that odd?
 
2003-01-28 02:19:31 PM  
Litig8r Aren't they all? Except for the ones you file I mean.
 
2003-01-28 02:19:54 PM  
Litig8r, "you hate us because we make more money than most folks, profit from the misery of others, and are part of a system that both confuses and frightens you."

That fairly well describes a doctor, too. Yet people don't hate them so much. People tend to hate lawyers because of the personality traits generally associated with those who tend to choose to be lawyers. Of course there are exceptions.
 
pr2
2003-01-28 02:21:05 PM  
I must admit that I don't feel so guilty farking at work anymore. If flight controllers for the space station can fark, then damnit, I can fark too!
 
2003-01-28 02:21:52 PM  
I worked with a guy that was on a team attempting to build an "ejection capsul" for the crew after the challenger blew up. Turns out it just wasn't feasible...the G-forces would tear the astronauts apart.

Nothing shocking about that, really, I just felt like sharing :)
 
2003-01-28 02:23:17 PM  
That was a sad day.. Anyway, time to move on.

Hey Litig8ter would you mind shooting me an e-mail. It's in my profile. I have some law school questions and I don't want to thread jack.

/Goes back to bein sad
 
2003-01-28 02:23:27 PM  
I remember it... amazing considering I was 5... I remember being at my neighbor's house the next day and seeing the front page of the Sidney Gazette... I still remember the photo.
 
2003-01-28 02:23:32 PM  
I'm only 26 and remember exactly where I was when it happened. I watched it live on TV at my grand-parents house. That day and 9/11 are days i'll never forget.
 
2003-01-28 02:23:51 PM  
Sod A Dog, I'm a lawyer and your figure that 99% of lawyers are asshats is baseless. Anyone in the profession will tell you that number hovers around 88 or 89%.

I was in my eighth grade U.S. history class. It was very unsettling. We had the launch on TV, and I think it took a good long while for it to sink in. Most of us didn't know how to react until our teacher got upset. I remember the silence being broken by some toad who said "cool," then "ouch" because someone promptly smacked him (rightly so) in the back of his head with a nice, thick, standard issue public school history book.
 
2003-01-28 02:28:37 PM  
Pr2

I must admit that I don't feel so guilty farking at work anymore. If flight controllers for the space station can fark, then damnit, I can fark too!

With our schedule of 24/7/365 operations, we're rarely at work from 9-5.
 
2003-01-28 02:29:39 PM  
the worst part of the challenger disaster was that the O ring was known to have problems functioning at low tempatures, and the engineers from the company that made the booster rocket reccomended the launch be delayed. they were overruled by some management slugs, we all know how that turned out. there's a very good essay about this at the ethics center for engineering and science by Roger M. Boisjoly, Former Morton Thiokol Engineer.

http://www.onlineethics.org/essays/shuttle/telecon.html

"Some discussion had started between only the managers when Arnie Thompson moved from his position down the table to a position in front of the managers and once again, tried to explain our position by sketching the joint and discussing the problem with the seals at low temperature. Arnie stopped when he saw the unfriendly look in Mason's eyes and also realized that no one was listening to him. I then grabbed the photographic evidence showing the hot gas blow-by comparisons from previous flights and placed it on the table in view of the managers and somewhat angered, admonished them to look at the photos and not ignore what they were telling us; namely, that low temperature indeed caused significantly more hot gas blow-by to occur in the joints. I, too, received the some cold stores as Arnie, with looks as if to say, "Go away and don't bother us with the facts." No one in management wanted to discuss the facts; they just would not respond verbally to either Arnie or me. I felt totally helpless at that moment and that further argument was fruitless, so 1, too, stopped pressing my case.

What followed mode me both sad and angry. The managers were struggling to make a list of data that would support a launch decision, but unfortunately for them, the data actually supported a no-launch decision. During the closed manager's discussion, Jerry Mason asked the other managers in a low voice if he was the only one who wanted to fly and no one answered him. At the end of the discussion, Mason turned to Bob Lund, Vice President of Engineering at MTI, and told him to take off his engineering hat and to put on his management hat. The vote poll was taken by only the four senior executives present since the engineers were excluded from both the final discussion with management and the vote poll. The telecon resumed and Joe Kilminster read the launch support rationale from a handwritten list and recommended that the launch proceed as scheduled. NASA promptly accepted the launch recommendation without any discussion or any probing questions as they had done previously. NASA then asked for a signed copy of the launch rationale chart."
 
2003-01-28 02:32:31 PM  
It was a snow day for us, so the kid brother and I were both home from school, watching the launch live on TV... We were both really into the Space thing at the time. He was 5, I was 15.

Trying to explain to him what had happened to "the people on the rocket" really isn't one of my fonder memories...

Somewhere at home I have a set of scrapbooks with every news clipping, wire photograph, and magazine article I could get my hands on about all of the early shuttle launches, from the Enterprise test flight on. I don't think I have very many from the post-Challenger launches though. It sort-of lost its fun after that.
 
2003-01-28 02:32:40 PM  
OT: Drivinwest, do you ever eat at the Outpost? Are they still there? I haven't been to Webster in a while.

(We used to go there when they had live bands, I know they were having some financial trouble)
 
2003-01-28 02:34:42 PM  
Ironbar

The only Punky Brewster episodes I remember are the ones where these pill-poppin' chicks wanted Punky and Cheri to join their club, and when one of Punky's friend's dad was too drunk to drive.

What about when Punky posed as a boy so she could join the all-boy RC Car club (she built a Tamiya Frog - the same RC car I had at the time thus I LOVED this one) or when Cheri hid in a refrigerator during 'hide and seek' and almost suffocated?

Now that was a good show.

What was with that flying alien dude on the cartoon though? That was just weird. X-Entertainment needs to do a Punky Brewster special.
 
2003-01-28 02:35:23 PM  
My sister still hasn't forgiven me for calling the Challenger "the world's largest bottle rocket with report." Seems she had applied to be the teacher who went up and actually made it to some sort of semi-final cut stage. Ah, well, my sister is an asshat anyhow.
 
2003-01-28 02:37:54 PM  
Numberz

OT: Drivinwest, do you ever eat at the Outpost? Are they still there? I haven't been to Webster in a while.

Sure do - it's a NASA icon. Sadly, they have to hold big fund raisers to keep the place in business. Great burgers and decent beer but Clear Lake has exploded in recent years and I suppose competition has take its toll.

Are you originally from the area?
 
2003-01-28 02:37:58 PM  
I can't believe that was 17 years ago. That makes me younger than I thought I was and that explains why I don't remember it vividly. I know I was in elementary school, though. M
ore memorable in my lifetime was definately where I was when planes flew into skyscrapers on purpose. Driving home from my ex-gf's house about to get ready for work. I heard it on the radio and called her immediately because her Dad was a pilot for United.
 
2003-01-28 02:38:23 PM  
Aero98
Drivinwest

Those are cool stories. Inspiring. Who DIDN"T want to be an astronaut?

The questions begs, however...

If you two are posting on Fark, who the hell is running the space station?

Roy (watching overhead)
 
2003-01-28 02:39:43 PM  
Hey, Hamburger - I have the Coke version of that.

[image from image.inkfrog.com too old to be available]

Also, isn't a little interesting that the Apollo 1 accident was 36 years ago yesterday?
 
2003-01-28 02:40:53 PM  
Inignot

Very true, in fact, many topics of discussion in engineering ethics classes revolve around this very incident.
 
2003-01-28 02:41:17 PM  
Litig8r-
You are just being contrary...
lol
 
2003-01-28 02:42:04 PM  
 
2003-01-28 02:42:17 PM  
Drivinwest: POIC In tha house! What position do you set? we may have talked on tha loops...
 
2003-01-28 02:42:32 PM  
Inignot

"What followed mode me both sad and angry. The managers were struggling to make a list of data that would support a launch decision, but unfortunately for them, the data actually supported a no-launch decision. During the closed manager's discussion, Jerry Mason asked the other managers in a low voice if he was the only one who wanted to fly and no one answered him. At the end of the discussion, Mason turned to Bob Lund, Vice President of Engineering at MTI, and told him to take off his engineering hat and to put on his management hat. The vote poll was taken by only the four senior executives present since the engineers were excluded from both the final discussion with management and the vote poll. The telecon resumed and Joe Kilminster read the launch support rationale from a handwritten list and recommended that the launch proceed as scheduled. NASA promptly accepted the launch recommendation without any discussion or any probing questions as they had done previously. NASA then asked for a signed copy of the launch rationale chart."

See? Who says ineffective management is only limited to the Enron's and Worldcom's of the globe?
 
2003-01-28 02:43:12 PM  
 
2003-01-28 02:45:07 PM  
Sitting in Bio class, as a Senior, watching the thing on TV, because our Bio teacher had been on the short list to go on as an alternate. Went through training, and he was excited as hell to see his friends go up. Man was tears and left us with the TV for the better part of the hour. We all just sat there and watched...couldn't really help it. The entire faculty wound up popping in get bulletins, and we hardly noticed. Mr. Townsend took the next couple of days off.

Much more of a shock than Lennon or Reagan getting shot. One of the defining moments of my generation, much like knowing where you were when Kennedy was shot. Or the new Millenials will look on 9/11. Suddenly the world was a colder place.

And yes, the jokes just flowed like water. A way to cope, or to show that you weren't affected that much, to thumb your nose at death, but they still aren't in good taste. Good folks died that day, and that's never really funny.
 
2003-01-28 02:45:59 PM  
Drivinwest,

No, I'm not from there, but I've crawled out of the outpost more than once at closing time (or later :-).

Something about BYOB, live music, and a hotel across the parking lot so you don't even need to drive home. Those were the days...

(plus, the joint was made immortal by Rocketman and Space Cowboys, donchu know)

There's something comforting knowing that there are Farkers working on the ISS.
 
2003-01-28 02:46:47 PM  
I was in a cafeteria, a freshman in college. I heard the news from a friend known for sick jokes, and don't remember when I finally realized it was true.

I also remember when Elvis died, though I was very very young. But his next concert was going to be nearby (upstate New York) and I remember my neighbor across the street was on a local TV show with the 'blue suede shoes' cake she had already made and was going to give him at the concert.
 
2003-01-28 02:46:54 PM  
Roy_D_Mercer

If you two are posting on Fark, who the hell is running the space station?

Well I worked all last night so I just woke up. Aero98, did you have a nother late-night sim? There's plenty of us to go around for perpetual operations. The sleep shifting sucks, as does working on Thanksgiving and Christmas (me last year) but on occasion I do get to wake up and noon and Fark during daylight hours thanks to it :)
 
2003-01-28 02:49:19 PM  
I was standing outside of school and watched the whole thing, I live about an hour from the Cape. The thing I remember most was how long that cloud seemed to stay in the sky. It felt like an eternity.
 
2003-01-28 02:50:12 PM  
I was i 6th grade and was checking out for the day (I can puke on command) any way I was carrying my pass from room to rrom to get ot signed and the librarian was watching the launch so I stuck in to see it finish. When the explosion happened I ran back to home room and told the class about it. They called my a liar and the teach (Fundie) took me to the office where I was promptly paddled for "Makin up lies". My ass was still burnin when the secretary popped her head in and told the principle. I never even got an apology. This is typical of my public school days.
 
2003-01-28 02:50:26 PM  
Numberz

No, I'm not from there, but I've crawled out of the outpost more than once at closing time (or later :-).

Been there, done that :)

plus, the joint was made immortal by Rocketman and Space Cowboys, donchu know

Never saw Space Cowboys though I did try out to be an extra... jeez, I really have no excuse for never having seen it do I?
 
2003-01-28 02:51:06 PM  
Remember it like yesterday. I played hookie from school that day, and was watching the launch live on TV. It was immediately obvious that it had exploded, but it took the news commentators a few minutes to catch on. Sad day indeed. For my generation, this event equates with knowing where you were when Kennedy was assassinated.
 
pr2
2003-01-28 02:51:10 PM  
Drivinwest, have you ever seen or heard of any astronauts killing kittens on the space station?
 
2003-01-28 02:51:43 PM  
It was my 22nd B'day, I was at work watching the launch from outside (I'm in Florida) when we saw a really weird smoke trail. Came back in to see what happened on TV. I remember it took the broadcasters awhile to figure out what they were seeing. They replayed it over and over again because they thought they saw an escape hatch blow off. My dad was supposed to take me to lunch for my birthday but since he was an editor for the Florida-Times Union - he was kinda busy after that moment.

It was certainly something I'll never forget...
 
2003-01-28 02:51:47 PM  
Hip_about_time

POIC In tha house! What position do you set? we may have talked on tha loops...

No kidding!? I'm an ADCO. Front left of the BFCR.
 
2003-01-28 02:51:53 PM  
Happy birthday, Alton, Stigant, Dorkas, Generation_D's GF, and...me. I was actually born almost exactly when it happened, according to my parents... So now they have this whole theory about me being a reincarnated astronaut...right...
 
2003-01-28 02:53:38 PM  
Hip_about_time

I'm the guy trying to ensure no thruster firings during ZCG startup. Ring a bell at all?
 
2003-01-28 02:54:01 PM  
Drivinwest

Well, I was just checking. Don't want another Skylab.

BTW, my kids love to go out and see the ISS on a fly-over. Rather awe-inspiring. We check the NASA site every few days to get the schedule.

Keep it up, er..uh, so to speak.

Roy
 
2003-01-28 02:55:02 PM  
NASA Mission Summary for STS-51

Yes it was the O-rings that failed...but it was NASA's hasty decision to launch under freezing conditions that are mostly to blame. They got cocky, and they were under too much pressure to keep launching the orbiters on a regular basis.

 
2003-01-28 02:55:29 PM  
The best thing about 247 ops is working 3rd orbit. Sleep till noon, stay on console till about midnigh, get home to e sleeping world to fark around late like I like to. Rinse repeat wipe hands on pants.

And as for the outpost, lord I went down to houston for some planning meetings in August. The OPs planners introduced me to St Arnolds. I got sloshed and acted a fool.
Then it was of to.,..sherlocks I beleive. But I may be wrong. It was that kinda night.
 
2003-01-28 02:56:44 PM  
Yeah dont break our crystals PLEASE!!
 
2003-01-28 02:57:40 PM  
I just got home from kindergarted, my dad had the TV on, watching the countdown... I was watching the TV as I took off my coat and saw it happen. The image of that smokey trail it left, the way it split like a 'Y', that still haunts me to this day. My school planted a tree dedicated to the crew a few months after it happened. That horrable event is one that ranks up there with the 3 most memorable events in my life.
 
2003-01-28 02:57:57 PM  
TCO here
 
2003-01-28 02:58:27 PM  
[image from image.inkfrog.com too old to be available]

I can see it now...Photoshop what REALLY caused the Challenger to explode.

BTW- I watched it live on TV and only through humor can I find peace with the voices in my head.

dj
 
2003-01-28 02:58:30 PM  
Happy Birthday, Sexy_Biatch
 
2003-01-28 03:00:33 PM  
Why thank you LawTalkingGuy... I have to say I was kinda depressed about gettin old until I got carded TWICE on Sunday. Just thankful I don't look my age!!!
 
2003-01-28 03:00:47 PM  
Hip_about_time

The best thing about 247 ops is working 3rd orbit. Sleep till noon, stay on console till about midnigh, get home to e sleeping world to fark around late like I like to. Rinse repeat wipe hands on pants.

I'll Orbit 3 over 1 or 2 anyday for all the reasons you said PLUS the extra pay :). The worst is I4: 7pm to 8am on Friday and Saturday night. Awful.

And as for the outpost, lord I went down to houston for some planning meetings in August. The OPs planners introduced me to St Arnolds. I got sloshed and acted a fool.
Then it was of to.,..sherlocks I beleive.


Yup, Sherlocks on Bay Area it is. Sorry you had to hang our with those Ops Planners though! J/K. How often do you make it to Houston.
 
2003-01-28 03:03:41 PM  
I was 16 years old when that space shuttle exploded. I think I was skipping school that day and I didn't find out until that night. Oblivious to the world around me at that time, I don't remember how I felt then. But today, 17 years later (a bit more compassionate), I feel sad for those folks who died that day. I wonder how the families of those who died feel this day 17 years later.

Another page in the history books, another horrible mistake in the advancement in mankind.
 
2003-01-28 03:04:31 PM  
Just that once, A certain Mr leslie had to rush me my belongings cause I left them in his car that night. That was the first time I had been, lovin tha weather. Yeah we support those crazy weekend shifts too. My fate is tied to Ops plan, if we get the Execute package and the OSTP on board early, I get to split. I did Christmass and Thanxgivin last year too. I am the TCO who flirts with all the female controllers and speaks with an unashamed accent.
 
2003-01-28 03:05:50 PM  
Roy_D_Mercer

Well, I was just checking. Don't want another Skylab.

Fair enough!

BTW, my kids love to go out and see the ISS on a fly-over. Rather awe-inspiring. We check the NASA site every few days to get the schedule.

Pretty awesome isn't it? The best is if you can catch a Shuttle/ISS docking or undocking. You can actually see the two points of light move towards or away from each other. Just wait until the end of this year when the ISS is twice as bright as it is now! With a pair of binoculars you'll even be able to make out the shape of it clearly (it's really getting big).
 
2003-01-28 03:06:31 PM  
What's with all the people skipping class? Do they end up being lame managers that make wrong decisions? I wonder if the managers that pushed the launch skipped class?

*Off to ponder the mystery*
 
2003-01-28 03:07:39 PM  
Was in the elementary school gym, competing in the 'Knights of Columbus Free Throw Competition" when a friend returned from lunch at home and announced it in the gym...

Went 1 for 10 after that. Killed my dreams of being the Great White Hope...
 
2003-01-28 03:09:48 PM  
5 years old, don't remember it much...
 
2003-01-28 03:12:10 PM  
Ruta
It was a pressurized can so they could shoot it in their mouth with no gravity, pretty cool really:)
HKWolf and DarkJohnson
Hang on to them! Never know when they'll be worth more in nostalgic terms down the line!
 
2003-01-28 03:13:01 PM  
Ya know, Christie McCulluf used to be a math teacher...now she's history...

No! I said Bud Light!

Hey, what's this red button for?

The challenger crew after many many months of hard work decided to vacation ALL OVER florida...

What color were Christie McCulluf's eyes? BLEW! One blew left, the other blew right!
 
2003-01-28 03:13:33 PM  
Does anybody have a article from their local paper for that day? It would be an interesting read.
 
2003-01-28 03:14:18 PM  
I was working nights, and had stayed late to finish something up. I got home, and made myself something to eat while I was sitting in front of the television.


All of a sudden, I wasn't very hungry any more.
 
2003-01-28 03:16:49 PM  
Boy, that was a long time ago. I saw the whole thing on TV in my high school psychology class, it was my senior year.
Holy shiat!

Happy birthday Alton.
 
2003-01-28 03:17:48 PM  
yah about a dozen people dead is a tragedy... You guys are aware that thousands of people die everyday?

HIPOCRITS
 
2003-01-28 03:17:56 PM  
Being an astronaut is a dangerous job. All the people on the challenger with the exception perhaps of the teacher.

I was in english class watching some stupid video when some other teacher practically killed herself stumbling into our classroom saying the challenger had exploded. What followed over the next 2 weeks is what always happens. The media saturates every possible outlet of escape with photos, loops, frame by frame analysis, etc. I was 12 at the time and never really knew how to feel about it.

I find myself wondering what all the 12yo kids went through on 9/11 as they faced an even greater level of granularity to the horror of a tragic life-taking event. The challenger was just a rocket we shot into space filled with people who accepted the risk. 9/11 was I think a much more traumatic event which I'm glad I wasn't 12 years old sitting in a classroom somewhere.
 
2003-01-28 03:19:51 PM  
Sheesh, I get interrupted at work and I forget to type a whole line.

Being an astronaut is a dangerous job. All the people on the challenger with the exception perhaps of the teacher.


Should've been:
Being an astronaut is a dangerous job. All the people on the challenger with the exception perhaps of the teacher accepted that risk for the challenge (no pun intended) that lay before them.
 
2003-01-28 03:20:15 PM  
To all you farkers celebrating birthdays today, Happy Birthday... I couldn't imagine having to share my birthday with any event of magnitue (the Challenger, 9-11, etc.) The only exciting thing I know of happening on my birthday was that it was my parents wedding anniversary.
 
2003-01-28 03:22:13 PM  
Gaanja

yah about a dozen people dead is a tragedy... You guys are aware that thousands of people die everyday?

HIPOCRITS


I can't tell if you were trying to write 'Hippocrates' or 'hypocrite.'

www.m-w.com is a wonderful thing.

More than 2900 people die around the world in a given day. Does that make 9/11 not a tragedy?
 
2003-01-28 03:24:40 PM  
I was in fifth grade at the time. I sat in the back of the classroom on the far left hand side. The door was in the back of the classroom on the right hand side. It was the middle of math class when the one librarian came to the door and called our teacher out, then immediately went across the hall and called the other fifth grade teacher out. I watched what was happening and was like, "WTH?" All of a sudden, both teachers expressed extreme shock, and I remember hearing our teacher gasp (although it seems impossible, given that it was across a noisy classroom). When she came back in and announced the explosion, the class just sat in stunned silence. Then, from the desk in the back of the classroom on the far left hand side:

"Oh, shiat."

We weren't sent home, but there were no more classes, although I don't remember what we did between the announcment and lunch. After lunch, she brought in a radio (not a TV, a farkin' radio) and had us take notes the rest of the day.

I never did get any demerits for that, though.
 
2003-01-28 03:25:10 PM  
our history teacher walked in to the classroom after lunch and said, "the space shuttle blew up! It took off, headed up for a few seconds, then just blew up!"

We thought he was just full of crap. Then I got home and saw it on TV and cried.
 
2003-01-28 03:25:46 PM  
In all sincerity, it's great to see everyone showing the Challenger disaster the respect it deserves, even those of you who weren't around then.

The Challenger explosion fits into that very narrow category of events that are almost literally burned into our memories. Even fewer of these events are burned into the largest majority of our memories... Challenger is right up there at the top with 9/11 and JFK's assassination. John Lennon's murder is another, but it wasn't such a shock for as many people for some reason.

I was in 4th grade, Mrs. Dickerson's class, front row, 4 rows away from the television, which was at the far left side of the classroom. I was wearing a white turtleneck shirt with a black vest, black pants, and black & white sneakers. I remember the explosion and everyone in the class kind of gasped... Mrs. Dickerson, a kindly older lady who was tough but fair, put her hand over her mouth & just stared at the TV for what seemed like minutes as we heard the observers shouting, and the TV commentator from NASA stuttering, before he finally blurted, "there seems to have been a malfunction..."

Reagan's speech that night was probably one of the most touching presidential speeches ever written. He closed it with a paraphrased quote from a sonnet by James Gillespie Magee: "The crew of the space shuttle Challenger honored us by the manner in which they lived their lives. We will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and 'slipped the surly bonds of Earth' to 'touch the face of God.'"
 
2003-01-28 03:26:34 PM  
I still remember where I was when Abe Lincoln was shot. Man, it was all over the tv that night!
 
2003-01-28 03:27:31 PM  
Drivinwest. Exactly.

How is the death of Person A any different the Person B
 
2003-01-28 03:29:21 PM  
Wrong link on the Shuttle Mission.

Here's the URL for Challenger's final flight:

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/51-l/mission-51-l.html
 
2003-01-28 03:31:39 PM  
Gaanja

I think you failed to see my point.

The Challenger disaster was a tragedy that was shared by an entire nation, just like 9/11. While person A is no better than person B, it is rare that we collectively mourn together as a society.
 
2003-01-28 03:33:43 PM  
I remember watching this in real life out side of the school (about 20 miles from the launch site) when I saw it explode. Every one of us watched in horror, then looking at each other wondered if we had all seen what we thought we did. Walking back into the cafetieria was no help either, since the TV in there had CNN doing replays every five or so seconds and explaining "aparently, something has gone wrong ..."

It's one thing to see it on TV, it's another thing to see it in real life, hear the roar of the engines, then the sound of the explosion, followed by silence.
 
2003-01-28 03:33:44 PM  
Gaanja

Depends on how they lived their lives. Some people suggest that all deaths are tragic - but I think most will agree that anyone who lives a better, more productive life devoting it to the service of humanity deserves more respect.
 
2003-01-28 03:35:56 PM  
Wow. Amazing that it's been that long.

I was on campus. I'd been in a biology class and left from there to go to the student union for snacks and found hundreds of people glued to the TVs...
 
2003-01-28 03:36:47 PM  
Gaanja - That's true, but they usually don't die on international television, in the midst of a celebratory air.

We usually don't tell our kids that they're something (someone) to idolize. They're usually not someone who are doing something that something less than the population of your average high school have done, EVER, in the history of mankind.

People like that are special. They've got guts, and we'd like to believe (at least some of us) that God watches out for people like that.
 
2003-01-28 03:39:02 PM  
Hamberger I know - I got it appraised at $500 about 4 years ago.

dj
 
2003-01-28 03:40:28 PM  
I was 7 at the time... not in school, at home sick. Watching TV with my grandmother... I think a lot of young kids were thrust into adulthood, and a little of our innocence was lost that day. It's definitely the day I'll always remember, much like JFK's assassination before, or 9/11 since for other generations of children. Such a sad day...
 
2003-01-28 03:41:24 PM  
I was in fourth grade and had been majorly into the whole teacher in space idea and wanted to be an astronaut myself. My class went down to the library to watch the footage - it was so awful because at first we weren't sure that they had all died. I remember hoping for the longest time that they would find someone alive in the ocean or something. It was really the first time anyone I "knew" died, and the violence of it was so shocking to a nine-year old.

The only other event (besides the ones already listed earlier in this thread) that was as scary/shocking was when Mt. St. Helens erupted when I was five. We could see it from our house and my dad had quite a time explaining that even though we could see it, we weren't in any danger. It rained a little bit of ash later in the day - I really thought we were all going to die fiery deaths.
 
2003-01-28 03:42:16 PM  
DarkJohnson
Are you serious!!??? WOW! I didn't think it'd get that high until waaay down the line, mines still in excellent shape too, I should go get it checked out! Thanks for the info:)
 
2003-01-28 03:42:30 PM  
I remember that day pretty clearly. I gave a presentation on what happened to another class in my school, having just completed a paper on the space shuttle that month. It's kinda interesting to me to realize that at 11, I had a halfway accurate idea of just what had gone wrong. I actually predicted the O-ring analysis. At 11. Erf.
 
2003-01-28 03:43:26 PM  
I was with a group of colleagues having a B.S. break when a secretary came by and told us. We didn't believe it; at first we thought she was kidding.

This is when I started to really hate TV "journalism." For weeks afterwards, everyday they would replay the accident over and over. At first just the accident but eventually, when they though the TV audience was ready for more dirt, the incredible shock, disbelief and unbearable sorrow on the faces of those heroes' families they watched the disaster unfold.
 
2003-01-28 03:43:39 PM  
LondosHair - You put it very well. All deaths are tragic but events such as this are remembered and are mourned collectively.

Crazednut - as a fellow Floridian I'm right there with ya - I wasn't close enough to hear the explosion but we can easily see launches from here. We were a block from the beach watching. It was so surreal seeing the split of the vapor trail and that initial nanosecond where you thought "now that doesn't look right" before you realize what you just witnessed.
 
2003-01-28 03:45:18 PM  
I was in lying in bed with a bar girl in Korea when I heard about it on the Armed Forces radio. It was about 1:30am in Korea, if I recall correctly.
 
2003-01-28 03:46:21 PM  
It was 17 years ago, on a night just like this, on this same stretch of road. It was the worst accident I ever seen....
 
2003-01-28 03:47:41 PM  
Tell 'em Large Marge sent ya! Hahahahahaha
 
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2003-01-28 03:49:14 PM  
I was in 5th grade in south florida. The newsmedia came to interview my class and a janitor that was outside and said he could see the smoke from the explosion.

A talking head asked me how I felt and I told her that i felt bad for the Halley's comet research satellite that blew up with the astronauts.

I was such a geek in 5th grade.
 
2003-01-28 03:50:28 PM  
I was in my high school gym waiting for a final exam to start.Its funny the things you remember as if it happened just yesterday, but I can not remember the womans name I slept with last night.
 
2003-01-28 03:51:29 PM  
I was standing outside with 2100 other high school students watching the vapor trail do funny things... We rushed inside and spent the rest of the day watching the news. I probably snuck a beer or two in there somewhere as we generally had them on ice in one or another of our cars...
 
2003-01-28 03:55:56 PM  
Never saw Space Cowboys though I did try out to be an extra.

I knew one of the waitrons at the Outpost. they filmed a big fight scene with Clint Eastwood and James Garner, I think. She said she didn't wash her car for a month after Clint rolled across the hood as part of the fight.

I always wanted to work for NASA and maybe be an astronaut. I think to say that Challenger changed that would be an over-statement. It just sort of never happened.

I still remember watching the docking sequence of Apollo-Soyuz. that was huge to me. I had just turned ten. I suppose in some ways that was a predecessor to ISS.
 
2003-01-28 04:10:18 PM  
Almost 16 y.o., and home sick with all of my brothers. I had been sleeping when they started yelling about something happening to the "ship". I remember going downstairs and seeing the news reports, and feeling awfully sad.

Yes, remember Reagan and Lennon being shot. I'm an oldie but goodie I suppose...
 
2003-01-28 04:28:12 PM  
can we get back to the lawyer bashing now?

"How could you believe me when I told you that I loved you when you know I've been a lawyer all my life".
 
2003-01-28 04:29:54 PM  
Watching the video online, what strikes me is the chilling understatement that could only have been uttered by an engineer:

"Obviously, a major malfunction."
 
2003-01-28 04:39:12 PM  
I was at work and when I heard I just sort of went home for the day. Didn't tell anyone I was going, no one ever asked.

I remember that my wife and I were fighting - I don't remember about what - and just called off the fight for a couple days by unspoken agreement.
 
2003-01-28 04:40:30 PM  
01-28-03 03:06:31 PM Marquis_in_Spades
What's with all the people skipping class? Do they end up being lame managers that make wrong decisions? I wonder if the managers that pushed the launch skipped class?


This is a self-selecting group. Class-cutters == Farkers.
 
2003-01-28 04:43:05 PM  
I was 16. We were about to leave to go to my grandfather's funeral. We saw about the first 10 minutes of coverage before we had to leave. Kinda hard to focus on a funeral when you just saw something like that.

Sad day x 2.
 
2003-01-28 04:44:27 PM  
15 years later, I worked next door to the place that manufactured the defective o-ring (or so I was told).
 
2003-01-28 04:47:53 PM  
Brickwall

Morton Thiokol was the manufacturer.The o-ring was not defective it was just that the temp. was too low and that caused the o-ring to fail.
 
2003-01-28 04:49:33 PM  
Got home from a morning exam (Grade 10) - started to watch a repeat of the Amazing World Of Kreskin on CFTO. On Global was Celebrity Cooks - the celebrity that day was Kreskin. It was unreal - Kreskin I thought was cool. Then my mom walks into the living room and says the Space Shuttle blew up - immediately the coverage turns to a blue sky and some smoke streaks...I will never forgot it.
 
2003-01-28 04:52:07 PM  
Ronald Reagan killed those people. He slashed the NASA budget and told them they had to produce twice the amount of work. People at NASA started taking short cuts on safety and production. Fark you Ronald! You are going to get yours in hell!
 
2003-01-28 05:00:33 PM  
Hamburger Thanks for clearing that up. I was getting disturbing ideas about what the hell might be in that thing.

DarkJohnson I snarfed tea when I saw that pic and you are so going to hell. I guess I too am going to hell for the sinful tea-snarfing.

Boog Class-cutters == Farkers.

Your theory seems sound to me.œ
 
2003-01-28 05:01:56 PM  
4th Grade, St. Christopher's School, Metairie, LA

Don't remember the class or the teacher, but I remember the school guidance counselor coming into the room, whispering something to the teacher, and then sitting down on a stool in front of the class and crying. It was the first time most of us had seen an authority figure cry, and it was hella-creepy. I ran home from the bus stop and watched the explosion replay on CNN about 500,000 times. At least some things never change.
 
2003-01-28 05:02:35 PM  
I've always envied Christa MacAuliffe. I think she had it lucky. She was just a teacher, and she would've been just that, but because of a freak accident of her getting on a shuttle to begin with and then blowing up, she has memorials, planetariums named after her, and she's in all the history books. And for what? Nothing. She stumbled into it. She's almost as lucky as Princess Diana. And don't get me started on her...
 
2003-01-28 05:09:10 PM  
Ruta
No worries:) Although I wonder what a Pepsi or Coke flavored whip cream would be like? Make for some interesting desserts or fun time with your partner ;)
 
2003-01-28 05:16:15 PM  
Same day of the week, too. (Tuesday).

Sep. 11 was a Tuesday, too.

They need to outlaw Tuesday.
 
2003-01-28 05:16:20 PM  
Bmr68

Thanks for the info. That isn't what I was told. I'm not going to mention the name of the corporation that I am referring to, but they are in Illinois' 2nd largest city. Anyone that lives there, and had heard this apparant rumor, please ignore it.
 
2003-01-28 05:25:33 PM  
01-28-03 12:58:47 PM SuburbanCowboy
I was home sick from school the day it happened. I was eating chicken soup when the deal went down.
I was also home sick from school the day Reagan was shot.
I don't take many sick days thankfully.


Yikes! I was out of school for Challenger for a funeral and saw it, live. Saw the beginning of the Gulf War on TV, live. I was off work for 9/11, and saw it, live. Wasn't alive in '63, but I'm sure I would have been at home with the TV on.
 
2003-01-28 05:26:30 PM  
Vinyl ... your definition of luck may be a bit off ... It's just not luck unless you can enjoy the fame. She wasn't around to witness the memorials.

Some reports that circulated about NASA speculated whether or not the crew compartment was intact as it fell to the ocean (with the crew still alive inside).

It might have been luck, but I have a sinking suspicion that it wasn't the "good" kind.
 
2003-01-28 05:37:36 PM  
Thanks for all the birthday wishs, and Happy Birthday to the other Farkers that share it. Aquarians rule :)
 
2003-01-28 05:37:49 PM  
01-28-03 05:02:35 PM Vinylboy20
I've always envied Christa MacAuliffe. I think she had it lucky. She was just a teacher, and she would've been just that, but because of a freak accident of her getting on a shuttle to begin with and then blowing up, she has memorials, planetariums named after her, and she's in all the history books. And for what? Nothing. She stumbled into it. She's almost as lucky as Princess Diana. And don't get me started on her...


You do realize she was chosen after a national competition to select teachers that had made a positive impact on their students? I don't think it would be outlandish to say she was one of the best science teachers in the entire country at that time. Obviously you've never had the benefit of learning from a teacher who really cares and genuinely enjoys what he or she does. Rube.
 
2003-01-28 06:11:48 PM  
The apocraphyl "final moments" of the Challenger crew, from Snopes.


T+1:15 Â (M) Â What happened? What happened? Oh God, no - no!

T+1:17 Â (F) Â Oh dear God.

T+1:18 Â (M) Â Turn on your air pack! Turn on your air...

T+1:20 Â (M) Â Can't breathe... choking...

T+1:21 Â (M) Â Lift up your visor!

T+1:22 Â (M/F) Â (Screams.) It's hot. (Sobs.) I can't. Don't tell me... God! Do it...now...

T+1:24 Â (M) Â I told them... I told them... Dammit! Resnik don't...

T+1:27 Â (M) Â Take it easy! Move (unintelligible)...

T+1:28 Â (F) Â Don't let me die like this. Not now. Not here...

T+1:31 Â (M) Â Your arm... no... I (extended garble, static)

T+1:36 Â (F) Â I'm... passing... out...

T+1:37 Â (M) Â We're not dead yet.

T+1:40 Â (M) Â If you ever wanted (unintelligible) me a miracle... (unintelligible)... (screams)

T+1:41 Â (M) Â She's... she's... (garble) ... damn!

T+1:50 Â (M) Â Can't breathe...

T+1:51 Â (M/F) Â (screams) Jesus Christ! No!

T+1:54 Â (M) Â She's out.

T+1:55 Â (M) Â Lucky... (unintelligible).

T+1:56 Â (M) Â God. The water... we're dead! (screams)

T+2:00 Â (F) Â Goodbye (sobs)... I love you, I love you...

T+2:03 Â (M) Â Loosen up... loosen up...

T+2:07 Â (M) Â It'll just be like a ditch landing...

T+2:09 Â (M) Â That's right, think positive.

T+2:11 Â (M) Â Ditch procedure...

T+2:14 Â (M) Â No way!

T+2:17 Â (M) Â Give me your hand...

T+2:19 Â (M) Â You awake in there? I... I...

T+2:29 Â (M) Â Our Father... (unintelligible)...

T+2:42 Â (M) Â ...hallowed be Thy name... (unintelligible).

T+2:57 Â (M) Â You...over there?

T+2:58 Â (M) Â The Lord is my shepherd, I shall...not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures... though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil... I will dwell in the house...

T+3:15 to end. Â None. Static, silence.
 
2003-01-28 07:02:33 PM  
Fanarchy Sort of helps if you put the header on the transcript.
---------------------
Claim: A secret tape recorded aboard the doomed shuttle Challenger captured the final panic-stricken moments of the crew.
Status: False.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 1994]
 
2003-01-28 07:08:15 PM  
This is way late, but my Challenger memory is still very fresh in my mind. I was in the 4th grade in Orlando, and the teachers had all the school's kids out in the playground to watch the launch. It was a very clear day, perfect to watch from only about 50 mi. away. I remember it rising higher and higher, wondering what it must feel like to rise so high so fast, and then when I saw the explosion, I thought I could see the normal booster separation since it was such a clear day and it seemed so high. I remember the teachers all seemed solemn, and rushed everyone inside to listen to the radio. I had an older teacher, close to retirement age, and she was in tears even before the news was delivered. I also remember that she told us to pray for the astronauts, that they might somehow survive. She gave us several long moments of silence. A few minutes later the principal came on the intercom and sent us all home.
 
2003-01-28 07:16:06 PM  
I was on my way to work when my mom called me and told me a plane just hit the WTC.....


Sorry, wrong thread......
 
2003-01-28 07:18:24 PM  
You knwo what's funny, yesterday was the aniversary of the Apollo 1 fire and no one remembers that.
 
2003-01-28 07:20:05 PM  
I was at my grandparents because we had no school that day for some reason. Anyway I was watching the game show Scrabble with them and for the first time I actually figured out the puzzle and was getting ready to yell it out when they interrupted the program with the news bulletin. I got SO mad because I was afraid nobody would believe that I solved the puzzle. I spent the next few hours sulking. I was only 10 at the time though.

Later on I got a can of Pringles. An odd thing to remember I guess.
 
2003-01-28 07:42:42 PM  
I was at the Launch site for that, my mom has pictures of it/me. I was an entire month old wearing souviner NASA footies...
 
2003-01-28 07:53:08 PM  
I was three years old, and hadn't even started preschool yet. My knowledge of space was a childrens book published a few years earlier, in which it mentioned the fact that a "new kind of space ship called a space shuttle will start flying in a few years".
 
2003-01-28 08:28:44 PM  
I'm proud to say I worked for 6 years at a school named after Christa McAuliffe.

I was 9 when the thing went down, and watched it live at school. No one knew we'd also be watching a memorial a few days later.
 
2003-01-28 08:36:51 PM  
Are you Conspiracy FARKers talking about Hamilton Sundstrand in Rockford, IL?
 
2003-01-28 08:51:40 PM  
Just remembering this makes me very sad. I worked with one of astronauts that was aboard the challenger. His name was Greg Jarvis. When this tragedy happened we were all at work and to say the least it was a very dark day. I had known Greg for several years before he was choosen for the space program. Greg was so excited about this, he was like a little kid. I started calling him FLASH (after Flash Gordon) and he would just give me a broad smile when I greeted him. I have a coveted autograph picture of the Challenger crew that I will alway cheeresh. Greg was very much his own man. He had this rather off-beat personality that everyone who knew him just loved.
 
2003-01-28 09:02:33 PM  
I will never forget that day, I was a huge space geek, even though I was only 6, I had loads of shuttle toys. I was at school that day, but we didn't have a TV in class; later on a girl said the shuttle blew up, and I thought she was kidding.

I came home from school that afternoon with my mom and sister, and turned the TV on. Instead of Scooby-Doo reruns, Dan Rather was on the air, holding a model of the shuttle. He then said something about leaking SRBs and I knew it was true.

All three of us started crying, even my stubborn big sister, whom I rarely ever saw cry. I don't even remember much after that, just that we sat there until at least the end of Reagan's speech.

Generation_D, you're right, that was just two days after Super Bowl XX, I had forgotten that. I remember 1986 very well, with the Super Bowl, the Challenger accident, and the Chernobyl accident within months of each other.

That day changed everything. 9/11 was eerily reminiscent of it, but much worse. I also missed seeing it live on TV, but saw the seemingly endless replays.
 
2003-01-28 10:14:37 PM  
This is late, but what the hell...

10th grade, Tolman high school, Pawtucket RI
Mr. Doucette's chemistry class

One of the guys in class was listening to his Walkman while we were supposed to be listening to the lecture... had it tucked under his jacket collar all secretive-like. Suddenly, he blurts out, "Hey, the Shuttle just exploded!" After a chorus of "Yeah, right!" and "Go back to sleep," he got more frantic and more convincing. I remember watching Mr. Doucette run out of the room, run past the room a few minutes later pushing a TV cart (with TV in it, natch), then asking us to all come into the science room down the hall.

3 or 4 classes worth of high schoolers in one room, and you could have heard a pin drop.

Then, once we got to go home, I found out my mom was in the hospital in labor with my sister. I watched the news all afternoon and still to this day cringe when I hear the audio, "Go with throttle up."

And the jokes... oy! The "going to hell" part of me wants to post the one I haven't seen in this thread yet...


Q: What was Christa McCauliffe's husband doing in a rowboat in the Atlantic?

A: Looking for a piece of ass.


Humor as a coping mechanism, folks. Especially for untouchable high schoolers...
 
2003-01-28 10:34:41 PM  
I was out of college by 8 months, working at a dod contractor, no tvs or radios allowed at all. I remember someone telling everyone that the challenger blew up, and all the things I tried of present any way possible that the crew could have survived. Finally got home, and saw the thing on TV over, and over and over again... also vividly recall seeing footage on ABC that showed the nose of the shuttle briefly emerging from the fireball with the side thrusters firing on the nose, and the fireball catching up and surrounding the shuttle again. Never saw that footage again.

"Obviously a major malfunction" I heard interesting comments from someone on duty at (as it was then) mocr. He said that they don't have the video on -- the truth is in the telelmetry -- but when they turned it on after they lost tm... 'nuff said.

I worked for someone who was a range safety officer at the cape in an earlier life who knew the rso on duty that day. My former boss got out of it because it was aging him so fast. One can only wonder what his friend went through.
 
2003-01-28 11:24:31 PM  
When I first saw this I thought "jeez I must be getting old" I can remember it like it just happened then it it hit me, fark me dead! I can also remember Apollo 13, the moon landing and Apollo 1.

All you pubescent farkers out there caught up in the thouroghly enjoyable arrogance of youth won't think this is so pathetic when someone tells you you must be an old prick if you can remember 911.
 
2003-01-28 11:27:32 PM  
Rockford's now the third largest city (unoficially).
 
2003-01-28 11:30:46 PM  
I was 1 year and 6 months old when this happened.

Mronicus...I feel the same way sometimes, but probably less frequently than those that are older than I. You never think of these things as a kid, you know? You just kind of grow up, oblivious to things. Many things. Then it starts creeping up on you.

Ah well. Such is life.
 
R2
2003-01-28 11:42:42 PM  
I was home sick from 1st grade; I was watching Sesame Street and they had the news marquee scrolling at the bottom of the screen. Sesame Street ruled in the early-mid 80's, before it transitioned into "today's" Sesame Street.
 
2003-01-28 11:43:17 PM  
I was in the 7th grade when my science teacher came into to tell us, "the shuttle just exploded". I was a big space junkie (still am to some degree) and it was a very sad day indeed.

I ended up writing an essay the next year (before I graduated too in the 8th grade). Won 3rd place.

I ended it with the comment about the final moments when "Uh, oh..." was mentioned on the final "sanitized" transcripts from Nasa.

Here's a link from a site that claims to have the final "un-sanitized" moments, of the aftermath.

Believe it if you will...

and if it doesn't work...here it is...

THE SECRET TRANSCRIPT!

Editors Note: This was snagged from a employee at NASA/JPL a few months after the crash and stored away. Scary stuff... we should get a damn news award for this!

A NASA tape reveals that the crew of the shuttle Challenger not only survived the explosion that ripped the vessel apart; they screamed, cried cursed and prayed for three minutes before they slammed into the Atlantic and perished on January 28, 1986.

The tape began with a startled crewman screaming,"What happened? What happened? Oh God - No!" Screams and curses are heard- several crewmen begin to weep- and then others bid their families farewell.

Two minutes forty-five seconds later the tape ends. That's when the shuttles crew compartment, which remained intact after the vessel exploded over the Atlantic, hit the ocean at over 2,000 miles per hour, instantly killing the crew.

"Cover up? Of course there was a cover-up," declared Robert Hotz, a member of the Presidential commission that investigated the disaster. " NASA can't face the fact that they put these astronauts in a situation where they didn't have adequate equipment to survive. NASA doesn't give a damn about anything but covering it's ass, " he said.

The official account released by NASA ends with shuttle pilot Michael Smith saying, "Uh-oh!" Some NASA employees have evidently heard more-much more. And they provided the rest of this account based on what they've discussed within NASA in the last five years. The astronauts had time and realized something was happening after the shuttle broke up.

"All shuttle astronauts carry personal recorders and the tape in question apparently came from Christa's (McAuliffe), which was recovered after the shuttle disaster, " said Hotz. Jarvis was sitting beside her, and when he figured out what was happening he said, " Give me your hand. "

NASA insists there's nothing like that on tape, but they're talking about the mission tape - not Christa's. So they're not lying, but they're not telling the truth, either.

A journalist with close ties to NASA was even more emphatic, "There are persistent rumors, dating back to the disaster, that this tape is absolutely bone-chilling."

The following transcript begins two seconds after NASA's official version ends, with pilot Michael Smith saying, "Uh-oh!" Times from the moment of takeoff are shown in minutes and seconds and are approximate. The sex of the speaker is indicated by M or F. Loud noise of wind coming from the exterior makes much of what is heard unintelligible.

TRANSCRIPT:

T+1:15 (M) What happened? What happened? Oh God, no - no!

T+1:17 (F) Oh dear God.

T+1:18 (M) Turn on your air pack. Turn on your air...

T+1:20 (M) Can't breathe... choking...

T+1:21 (M) Lift up your visor!

T+1:22 (F) ...hot. (Sobs.) I can't. Don't tell me... (M) God! Do it...

T+1:24 (M) I told them... I told them... Dammit! Resnik don't...

T+1:27 (M) Take it easy! Move (unintelligible)...

T+1:28 (F) (unintelligible) ...die like this. Not now. Not here...

T+1:31 (M) Your arm... no... I (extended garble, static)

T+1:36 (F) I'm... passing... out...

T+1:37 (M) (unintelligible) ...not dead yet.

T+1:40 (M) If you ever wanted... (unintelligible) ...me a miracle...

(unintelligible)...(screams)

T+1:41 (M) She's... she's... (garble) ... damn!

T+1:50 (M) Can't breathe...

T+1:51 (M/F) Jesus Christ! No!

T+1:54 (M) She's out.

T+1:55 (M) Lucky... (unintelligible).

T+1:56 (M) God. The water... we're dead! (screams)

T+2:00 (F) Goodbye (sobs)... (unintelligible)..

T+2:03 (M) Loosen up... loosen up...

T+2:07 (M) It'll just be like a ditch landing...

T+2:09 (M) That's right, think positive.

T+2:11 (M) Ditch procedure...

T+2:14 (M) No way!

T+2:17 (M) Give me your hand...

T+2:19 (M) You awake in there? I... I...

T+2:29 (M) Our Father... (unintelligible)...

T+2:42 (M) ...hallowed be Thy name... (unintelligible).

T+2:57 (M) You...over there?

T+2:58 (M) The Lord is my shepherd, I shall... not want. He maketh me to lie down...
in green pastures... though I walk through the valley... (unintelligible) shadow of death,
(unintelligible)... I will dwell in the house...

T+3:15 Static
 
2003-01-28 11:44:32 PM  
Sorry Fanarchy...just a little late and didn't notice yours.
 
2003-01-29 12:14:58 AM  
My pop worked on TDRS at the time, that satellite they were carrying that was supposed to get deployed... and from what he's said, I suspect there was some shadier stuff that was going up as well, military stuff, or something. It's weird how all of a sudden it doesn't matter quite what was going up, except for the seven people who did, and didn't make it back properly. I was snooping around in the basement a few months back and came across a framed mission photo of them - in jumpsuits, all smiling with hemlets and flags, displaying the mission patch, a few days before liftoff... and taped to the back of the frame was a Washington Post article from the day after, detailing the explosion.

Dad still works for NASA, now in DC, at HQ. He hasn't done anything with manned flight ever since - hell, he wasn't even supposed to be involved, TDRS was a tracking and data relay system, wasn't supposed to have a human component to it. I'm not sure he's gotten over it entirely.
 
2003-01-29 12:33:01 AM  
I'll burn for this (not my work)

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2003-01-29 12:33:54 AM  
Lets see... when John Lennon was killed I was at home, when Reagan was shot I was at home, when the shuttle exploded I was in tenth grade but at home, when Oklahoma City bombing happened I was at home, OJ's chase I was at home, Columbine I was at home, September 11th I was at home. Wow, I must be a shut-in or something.
 
2003-01-29 01:02:27 AM  
Fanarchy

i don't feel like taking the time to see if that's real or not, but if it is.. jeez. I always assumed they died the instant the shuttle exploded.
 
2003-01-29 01:03:19 AM  
I was in the music room at my junior high when the principal announced that the shuttle had exploded. We were all pretty down that day, especially those of us with an interest in space and astronomy. I remember the o-ring being the cliche for failure in the following years. If a computer crashed we'd say, "It blew an o-ring." I'm glad the space program made a somewhat decent recovery.
 
2003-01-29 01:03:36 AM  
DarkJohnson

man i've gotta start reading the whole thread before i post.

*smack forehead
 
2003-01-29 01:10:15 AM  
Moronicus_Maximus, don't let the kiddies get you down. I gotta tell you, one great thing about getting old is becoming laid back and having perspective on what is worth getting all worked up about and what isn't. It's almost worth the physical condition -- sight, hearing, rings under eyes, etc -- running down slightly.
 
2003-01-29 01:19:07 AM  
Reagon's WH was responsible. They pressured NASA to launch so Ronny could use "teacher in space" in his State of the Union speech.

Thankfully, no one will read this far.
 
2003-01-29 01:23:53 AM  
Phlogiston,

1) I read that far.
2) you are an assbag.
3) it's people like YOU that forced me to defend Reagon because they blamed EVERYTHING on him: Cloudy day? Must be Reagon's fault. I hated the bastard, but I hated even more the people who couldn't be bothered to be honest.
4) Did I mention that you are a total assbag?
 
2003-01-29 02:09:54 AM  
Don't you guys remember? It's been proven that the whole moon landing stuff was a fraud, and the Challenger explosion was exposed as part of a cold war conspiracy to delude the population! Jeez, where do you guys get your news? Now let me get back to cloning babies.
 
2003-01-29 02:11:59 AM  
My most vivid memory about the whole thing is that my older brother was in Marine Corps boot camp at the time, and he said that the drill instructors told all the recruits to get ready to fight WWIII because the Russians just blew up the space shuttle. Those wacky jarheads.
 
2003-01-29 02:33:36 AM  
COllege Park Middle School, 5th grade, sitting in class with a bunch of my "Young Astronauts Club" buddies cheering the first few seconds of the launch.

You could have heard a pin drop from the time of the explosion until we got home. It was like the birds were even paying homage.

Here's hoping that we won't put any more astronauts in danger for stupid reasons. (i.e. keeping a regular launch schedule)
 
2003-01-29 04:10:48 AM  
Watched it live at a friend's apartment.

Christ, I'm old.
 
2003-01-29 05:51:44 AM  
The woman had blue eyes, I remember that.

Because one blew that way and one blew that way.
 
2003-01-29 06:01:11 AM  
My mission in life is to find goatman and make him feel some serious pain. That is all I have. Out.

*looks for 9*
 
2003-01-29 09:36:33 AM  
I was a junior in high school. We were out for a snow day. I was taking my friend's mom to work (I had a jeep so I could get around in the deep snow), and she told me about what had happened. After I got back home, I watched it on teevee for the rest of the afternoon.
 
sos
2003-01-29 10:25:32 AM  
I remember exactly where I was when I heard about it - I was in 3rd grade, and we were not watching it at the time, but everyone was called to the Auditorium, and they told us there. I'm pretty sure we got sent home.

I remember exactly where I was when a lot of major events happened in my life.

I remember that I was walking in a specific hallway in high school when I had a strange sense come over me. I glanced at my watch, it was about 10:30 am. I later learned that just about that time, my grandfather on my moms side had died.

I also remember that I was overseas in Denmark when my grandfather on my dads side died. I was away from the phone, and my roomate came and got me, told me my dad had called, and he was going to call back in a few minutes. When he did call, I could tell in his voice that something was wrong. He didn't even get to finish the sentence before he broke down. I had never heard my dad cry before that. The next day, on my way to where I was going, I stopped off at a store and bought a little flag pin with Danish and American flags crossed (my grandfather was Danish).

Of course I also remember where I was when I heard about 9/11. At work, in lab, I remember what I was working on and exactly what bench I was at. We were told we could go home if we wanted, but I stayed, because I would rather be at work with people around then be home by myself. I tried for over an hour to get ahold of my parents, who were in FL at the time, but could not get through. They finally ended up getting ahold of me.

Oh, and on my birthday (July 16), among many things, the first atomic bomb was exploded, and JFK Jr. died.

OK, thanks for listening to my stories.
 
2003-01-29 11:03:07 AM  
I was only about nine months old, so I obviously don't remember anything.

I think it's interesting that the space threads on Fark always seem to bring out the most interesting and entertaining discussions. I know we've got a lot of people here who work for NASA or the military, and then we've got even more who just think space is cool.
 
2003-01-29 11:18:21 AM  
I was in Algebra class at Harrison Jr. High. There was a black girl in the class named Camille who said,"How'd they get the astronauts off before it blew up." I don't feel old though. I'm still rock hard in the morning.

Anyway, I got home to find my grandma butchering the family goat. We had that goat for years. Now it would be lunch and dinner for the next four days.

My little brother was so traumatized that he kept crapping on the living room carpet. This went on for about three months. Then my parents sent him to military school. Then one day he came back and he threw all the lawn furniture off the patio and into the lawn. He demanded to have the goat's horns, but our grandma had thrown them away.

Speaking of which, I took an enormous crap the other day.
It was awesome.

All my love,

Frank Stanzooski
 
2003-01-29 03:47:14 PM  
At work. Got that same "Quit f*ckin' around!" response I had when first told about 9/11.
 
2003-01-30 12:10:26 AM  
I was only 5 when that happened, so I don't remember it. But I have never been able to watch the video tape of the Challenger exploding. I'll leave the room if it comes on.
 
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