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(NJ.com)   Port Newark agents seize five million Sudafed pills, but only after bringing a cardboard picture of the pills to the dock and showing their ID, then they got the actual pills   (nj.com) divider line
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2009-02-12 06:29:32 PM  
Allergy sufferers weep.
 
2009-02-12 06:29:41 PM  
golf clap for subby
 
2009-02-12 06:29:58 PM  
Nazi meth sux!
 
2009-02-12 06:29:58 PM  
Had to read the headline twice, but nice show, smitty.
 
2009-02-12 06:31:07 PM  
Can you still buy pseudoephedrine cold medications in the US? Last time I went down a grocery store medicine aisle, none of the cold/flu medications had pseudoephedrine in them.
 
2009-02-12 06:32:51 PM  
No one was arrested

What, did the whole crew made a run for it?.
 
2009-02-12 06:33:14 PM  

jjorsett: Can you still buy pseudoephedrine cold medications in the US? Last time I went down a grocery store medicine aisle, none of the cold/flu medications had pseudoephedrine in them.


you have to get them from the pharmacist, and i think they might put you on some list or something

/never done it
 
2009-02-12 06:36:27 PM  

jjorsett: Can you still buy pseudoephedrine cold medications in the US? Last time I went down a grocery store medicine aisle, none of the cold/flu medications had pseudoephedrine in them.


Behind the counter, like Plan B, with ID, these days.

Sigh.
 
2009-02-12 06:37:24 PM  
Took me a minute to get it ... good job subby
now sign your name on the sheet - and you can't buy again for another 3 weeks
 
zez
2009-02-12 06:37:55 PM  
you can still get it, just a bit of a hassle. The new stuff doesn't work for crap. I call it Psuedofed or SudafedPE (partially effective)

The removal of all infant decongestants from the market is bullshiat too.
 
2009-02-12 06:38:22 PM  
GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY SINUSES

Why does congress want me to produce snot? Do they view it as an alternative energy source?
 
2009-02-12 06:38:49 PM  
+1 subby.

I love being treated like a possible felon every time I need to pick up the Claritin D.

/had to do the same thing when it was a prescription go the counter show my doc's note what's the difference? oh wait, the insurance company doesn't pay for it this time.
 
2009-02-12 06:38:51 PM  
Now that you have to ask a pharmacist to get you these pills they'll always grab the name brand version, sitting right next to the generic stuff that's on sale. I have to point this out to the pharmacists and they get all pissy when I ask them to get me the ones that are half the price.
 
2009-02-12 06:40:34 PM  

fredbox: GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY SINUSES

Why does congress want me to produce snot? Do they view it as an alternative energy source?


I think the last administration was planning to use it to hold bridges together.
 
2009-02-12 06:41:26 PM  
If you buy pseudoephedrine at a big chain drug store that has its own brand they'll sell you about 8 times as much as you really need of their generic ones for half the price of Pseudophed (r). They put you on a list in case you're buying a bazillion of them all over town to somehow render down into amphetamine like recreational drugs.
Three years after you've gotten over your cold you'll still have plenty of the stuff left for when you get sick again.
 
2009-02-12 06:43:41 PM  
Pseudoephedrine is the only decongestant that works for me. I love hearing when meth labs explode. Anyone involved with the production or distribution of meth can and should DIAF.
 
2009-02-12 06:44:28 PM  
The shipment was not registered in advance with the Drug Enforcement Administration as required.

Well, honest mistake maybe? They were transporting a commercial product via shipping container. They weren't sending it to the USA.

I think this might be like having your UPS package of dildos seized in Alabama on it's way from Florida because it's in violation of Alabama statutes.
 
2009-02-12 06:46:13 PM  
I have a stuffy nose right now, so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2009-02-12 06:46:29 PM  
lolz on headline.
 
2009-02-12 06:46:49 PM  
If 80% of the meth in America comes from Mexico, how does banning Sudafed in America make logical sense?

Oh, there I go again, wanting logic in my gubermint
 
2009-02-12 06:47:12 PM  
I miss real ephedrine.
 
2009-02-12 06:47:57 PM  
jjorsett: Can you still buy pseudoephedrine cold medications in the US? Last time I went down a grocery store medicine aisle, none of the cold/flu medications had pseudoephedrine in them.

If you really need some, just give me a shout. 867-5309
 
2009-02-12 06:49:10 PM  

fredbox: GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY SINUSES

Why does congress want me to produce snot? Do they view it as an alternative energy source?


More like they don't want to to take it home and cook up some meth.

It's really not that big a deal. The pharmacy takes your name, address, and other demographic information down so that we can keep track of how much you buy. That way we don't accidentally sell you more than your statutory limit.

That statutory limit, by the way, is 3.6 g of pseudoephedrine per day, up to a maximum of 9 g per month. Nine grams is 300 regular Sudafed tabs. There's no way you should need that much in a month, unless you're using it for nefarious purposes.

And anyway, there's nothing to keep you from buying your maximum daily allotment of Sudafed (120 tabs) at one pharmacy, then driving down the road and buying more at another pharmacy, lather, rinse, and repeat. Pharmacies don't put this information into a centralized database, and the only way the cops find out how much you buy is if the pharmacy is served with a search warrant.

I guess the Feds hope that the process is enough of a pain in the ass to be a deterrent to all the meth freaks. Unfortunately, now the problem seems to be smuggling bulk pseudoephedrine powder over the border from Mexico.

zez: The new stuff doesn't work for crap. I call it Psuedofed or SudafedPE (partially effective)


You're exactly right. Phenylephrine (Sudafed PE) tabs are 60% metabolized by your liver before it even gets into your systemic circulation. They're essentially worthless -- they work by the placebo effect.

Phenylephrine nasal sprays, otoh, aren't bad. But oxymetazoline (Afrin) is better.

/pharmacy student
 
2009-02-12 06:50:01 PM  
Yeah, they regulated these things to keep people from being able to make meth. Now they just make it with shiattier chemicals that cause worse effects and make the addicts more dangerous, all why making it nearly impossible to get cold relief without being stared at like a criminal. Looks like everyone is a loser in this situation aside from the person who needed to appear "tough on crime" that put this bullshiat into effect. Remember kids, with prohibition, everyone loses.

/can't I make napalm from styrofoam and gasoline? it makes just as much sense to ban those things.
//in a bad mood today
 
2009-02-12 06:53:29 PM  

blockhouse: fredbox: GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY SINUSES

Why does congress want me to produce snot? Do they view it as an alternative energy source?

More like they don't want to to take it home and cook up some meth.

It's really not that big a deal. The pharmacy takes your name, address, and other demographic information down so that we can keep track of how much you buy. That way we don't accidentally sell you more than your statutory limit.

That statutory limit, by the way, is 3.6 g of pseudoephedrine per day, up to a maximum of 9 g per month. Nine grams is 300 regular Sudafed tabs. There's no way you should need that much in a month, unless you're using it for nefarious purposes.

And anyway, there's nothing to keep you from buying your maximum daily allotment of Sudafed (120 tabs) at one pharmacy, then driving down the road and buying more at another pharmacy, lather, rinse, and repeat. Pharmacies don't put this information into a centralized database, and the only way the cops find out how much you buy is if the pharmacy is served with a search warrant.

I guess the Feds hope that the process is enough of a pain in the ass to be a deterrent to all the meth freaks. Unfortunately, now the problem seems to be smuggling bulk pseudoephedrine powder over the border from Mexico.

zez: The new stuff doesn't work for crap. I call it Psuedofed or SudafedPE (partially effective)

You're exactly right. Phenylephrine (Sudafed PE) tabs are 60% metabolized by your liver before it even gets into your systemic circulation. They're essentially worthless -- they work by the placebo effect.

Phenylephrine nasal sprays, otoh, aren't bad. But oxymetazoline (Afrin) is better.

/pharmacy student


So you support this? It isn't a perscription pill, the government has no business knowing what pills I buy. In america, everyone does NOT deserve to be treated like a criminal, we fought a war that you might want to look into for that exact purpose.
 
2009-02-12 06:53:30 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: If 80% of the meth in America comes from Mexico, how does banning Sudafed in America make logical sense?

Oh, there I go again, wanting logic in my gubermint


It's coming from Mexico because it's hard to get pseudoephedrine to make it in the US.
 
2009-02-12 06:54:02 PM  
Whenever I buy Sudafed I thank God that the fine young gentlemen who set up meth labs are upstanding citizens who would never think of FARKING STEALING A CASE.

/fortunately I'm allergic to the shiat so I don't have to buy it often
 
2009-02-12 06:55:41 PM  
SOO'-doh-FEHD'-rihn.
 
2009-02-12 06:56:10 PM  

Russ1642: Now that you have to ask a pharmacist to get you these pills they'll always grab the name brand version, sitting right next to the generic stuff that's on sale. I have to point this out to the pharmacists and they get all pissy when I ask them to get me the ones that are half the price.


Are these pharmacists dumb or something? The store/company will make more money from the store brand/generic than they would from the name brand.
 
2009-02-12 06:58:23 PM  
The war on sick people and people with allergies sucks. Hell, you can only get 60mg sudafed tabs at the kaiser pharmacy around here.

AND, now, instead of being all together in a little pill bottle, they're in sheets that the paper must be peeled back and removed so the pill can pop through the aluminum foil. What a pain in the ass.

I make it a point to buy a box every time I'm there, and have a stockpile now at home. Sucks not having it when you're sick. Yet I am pretty sure I can score some meth a block or two away from my front door.

/Mission accomplished?
 
2009-02-12 06:59:44 PM  
ErikShocker:

So you support this? It isn't a perscription pill, the government has no business knowing what pills I buy. In america, everyone does NOT deserve to be treated like a criminal, we fought a war that you might want to look into for that exact purpose.


Chill, dude. What are you getting mad at me for? I thought I made it clear in my post how easy it was to circumvent the intention of the law. In fact, it's an entirely masturbatory exercise. It adds to an already hefty paperwork burden that I don't get paid to maintain, it's a barrier between my patients and the best medicine for their disease state, and it takes away from my time that could be spent on better purposes. No, I don't support it.

I also recognize that I have no choice but comply, if I want to keep my license. The pharmacy lobby seems unwilling to make this issue a priority, so if change is going to come, it has to come from the customers.
 
2009-02-12 06:59:47 PM  
I always want to ask the pharmacist if he has the instructions to make meth but I'm afraid I won't get my sudafed.
 
2009-02-12 07:00:23 PM  
Just bought a box of cold pills with pseudoephedrine, store had to see and enter my drivers license into a data base that law enforcement will check.
Big brother-ish.
 
2009-02-12 07:03:03 PM  
I moves from Indiana to Kansas City. Went to look for the good stuff with psuedoephedrine in it. Could not find it. I was looking everywhere for the cards. Then I realized the stuff was right on the shelf. It felt weird.
 
zez
2009-02-12 07:03:13 PM  
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Who needs sudafed?
 
2009-02-12 07:03:30 PM  
The worst part is that with the right basic organic chemicals and a few common compounds, you can mix up the meth from scratch.

\hates the fact that I get colds that start at night when the pharmacy is closed.
 
2009-02-12 07:04:18 PM  

jjorsett: It's coming from Mexico because it's hard to get pseudoephedrine to make it in the US.


How does that fix the problem of drug abuse?


Plus money leaves our economy that way. We shouldn't limit Sudafed purchases.
 
2009-02-12 07:06:20 PM  

Russ1642: Now that you have to ask a pharmacist to get you these pills they'll always grab the name brand version, sitting right next to the generic stuff that's on sale. I have to point this out to the pharmacists and they get all pissy when I ask them to get me the ones that are half the price.


Your place might do that, but most places are happier to sell you the generics- the profit margin is higher than with the name brand. My wife's pharmacy was being told by corporate to push the store label OTC meds because of the higher profit. Cheaper for you to buy, yes, but their cost on those things is REALLY farking low.

blockhouse: the only way the cops find out how much you buy is if the pharmacy is served with a search warrant.

They don't need a warrant (or at least most pharmacies don't ask for one). Usually the DEA guys will troll through the records looking for specific names. They don't centralize the records and see who is buying a metric ton of it, they just look for info on people who popped up on the radar in some other way.
 
2009-02-12 07:08:10 PM  
Maybe a stupid question, but if it's going from India to Haiti, why did we/our DEA get involved?
 
2009-02-12 07:08:15 PM  

blockhouse: Phenylephrine nasal sprays, otoh, aren't bad. But oxymetazoline (Afrin) is better.


Better but you shouldn't use Afrin for more than 3 days in a row. I'm not sure why. If you do need to use something like that get Flonase.

I finally had my deviated septum ("worst" that one ENT had ever seen!) had that cleared up most of my problems. I still take claritin every so often but don't need it as much.
 
2009-02-12 07:09:50 PM  
Sudafed as prepared by an allergy sufferer before smoking to relieve congestion and ensure a good nights rest.

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2009-02-12 07:11:36 PM  

wildcardjack: I think this might be like having your UPS package of dildos seized in Alabama on it's way from Florida because it's in violation of Alabama statutes.


Woah, didn't know about that statute.

/repacks suitcase.
 
2009-02-12 07:13:44 PM  

fredbox: GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY SINUSES


Gotdam hellyeah amen, brother!
 
2009-02-12 07:14:20 PM  
austinwperry: Nazi meth sux!

Sadly, he's not godwinning the thread, peopel. The Nazi Method is a way to cook meth.

/the moar you know.
 
2009-02-12 07:14:42 PM  
My favorite Sudafed/Meth story comes from undergrad...

At my undergrad there was a substantial forensic science department within the chemistry department which also was used to train the state police. Every summer one of the professors would go from pharmacy to pharmacy buying up lots of sudafed. Then would bring it to one of the organic chemistry labs with a bunch of the state police and have them make meth. This was to show them how to handle the intermediates and the dangers of all of it in a controlled setting. It was fun seeing all of the cops with no experience deal with chemicals like I do on a daily basis.

/I got to watch
//while the cops thought I was a crook
 
2009-02-12 07:16:39 PM  
I just got some 12 hour Sudafed, 120mg. It works. Pseudoephedrine is the only thing that will even touch my sinus infection.
 
2009-02-12 07:17:38 PM  

studebaker hoch: Sudafed as prepared by an allergy sufferer before smoking to relieve congestion and ensure a good nights rest.


Hah, from what I've heard he's not going to be getting ANY damned rest, for days.
 
2009-02-12 07:17:45 PM  
Are the pills actually illegal now? I thought they were just regulated.
 
2009-02-12 07:17:59 PM  
lelio: Better but you shouldn't use Afrin for more than 3 days in a row. I'm not sure why. If you do need to use something like that get Flonase.

Afrin is incredibly habit forming. If you use it too much you can end up being unable to have a clear nasal passage without it. I'm not sure why people use it every day anyway; when you use it as you're supposed to, it feels like a kick to the face. I use Flonase daily, but every now and then things get a little too backed up and I have to take a hit of the Flonase.
 
2009-02-12 07:18:36 PM  
as a pharmacy tech, let me just say that this law SUX. it is the biggest pain and we dont like it any more than anyone else
 
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