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(North End Waterfront)   eBay backs down, asshat drops lawsuit   (bayarea.com) divider line 42
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2003-01-28 01:08:47 PM  
All this shiat over a bunch of "vintage magazines?" Asshat is right.
 
2003-01-28 01:08:48 PM  
I'm glad that eBay came to its senses and backed down. For it to knowingly host such libelous material was wrong. Good to see this didn't get dragged for years through the courts!
 
2003-01-28 01:09:43 PM  
This sets a huge precedent for eBay.. and opens such a big can of worms for them. A lot of eBayers have been wanting this feature for a long time, it should be interesting whether one court case will now for eBay to do the same for everyone else.

There's nothing worse than retailiation feedback from asshats on their site. Course, I also think the feedback that one receives is taken far too seriously.
 
2003-01-28 01:09:48 PM  
Guys, I think you're taking this way, way too seriously. So the guy said you were a jerk. Get over it--I probably did it to you, too on the highway on my way to work this morning. Call me if you want to sue.

Seriously, I doubt that a single 80-word comment could cost somebody $100,000.

If you live and die by Ebay, you really need to get a life. Really.
 
2003-01-28 01:10:10 PM  
Cool pic on the right of the page...

 
2003-01-28 01:10:16 PM  
``We realized the contact information for the seller was not correct and that is one of the circumstances in which we will consider removing the feedback,'' Donlay said.


yeah right ... the lawsuit has "nothing" to do with it.
"oh look... he put Jones St instead of Jones Ave. Now we can delete all his comments without looking like a bunch of hypocrytes!"
 
2003-01-28 01:10:40 PM  
I might be wrong, but I thought that the entire point of listing the entire feedback history was so that the buyer could decide for themselves whether or not to do business with a seller and vice versa?
 
2003-01-28 01:11:04 PM  
Chris Donlay, a spokesman for eBay, confirmed that the negative feedback had been taken down, but said that decision had ``nothing to do with the lawsuit.''

It takes an Act of Congress, or a multi-million dollar law suit, for the folks at eBay to get off their behinds and change unjust feedback.

The laughable part of this is, the feedback they eradicated was probably justified, from my reading of the facts.
 
2003-01-28 01:11:10 PM  
This was yesterday, and EBAY stock is down again.
 
2003-01-28 01:12:23 PM  
BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP!!!!
 
2003-01-28 01:12:36 PM  
"...or to warn users of that potentially libelous retaliation could result from a complaint against a seller."

Err. Umm. ebay already does that.

I dunno, I hear all these horror stories, and I've never had a bad transaction on ebay, and neither has my father (who's bought a ton more stuff than I have). All of it's been electronics, though, and not normalish stuff (whole computers, etc).

Maybe if you stick to voltmeters, overhead LCD projection panels, and iPaqs so cheap they must be hot, you get good deals. Try to buy garden gnomes and vintage magazines, and you're out of luck.
 
2003-01-28 01:17:12 PM  
Poop
 
2003-01-28 01:17:55 PM  
Good to see that jerkass sellers now can just sue and get back their AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAA+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++ ratings regardless of validity.
 
2003-01-28 01:20:19 PM  
Maybe if you stick to voltmeters, overhead LCD projection panels, and iPaqs so cheap they must be hot, you get good deals. Try to buy garden gnomes and vintage magazines, and you're out of luck.

I actually got a few good deals on garden gnomes off of eBay...

but now I have to keep a close eye out, lest they be liberated by the roving gangs of "I-Saw-Amelie" fringe lunatics that seem to have sprung up all over. Sheesh!
 
2003-01-28 01:21:21 PM  
We are the knights who say NEH! We will sue you for $100,000,000 unless you bring us a shrubbery!
 
2003-01-28 01:24:30 PM  
Last line of the article:

''I have received scads of e-mails from people -- including somebody who was complaining there were comments about his performance in bed -- that they wouldn't take down.''

Now that's funny. Next time I leave seller feedback, guess what's going in there:

AAA++++!! Penis too small, arsehole too big. Always wants to be on top! AA+++ Great SELLER!
 
2003-01-28 01:40:39 PM  
Great comments, very funny, AWESOME THREAD A+++++++++++++++++
 
2003-01-28 01:52:41 PM  
it is rediculous to retract critism. That is how you check if the seller is an asshat. It sounds like the negative critism was appropriate, given this hole's suit.
 
2003-01-28 02:02:40 PM  
Asshat is a stupid word. Are we not allowed to say asshole? How about ass hole or asswhole.

Asshat - I just don't get it.
 
2003-01-28 02:03:48 PM  
NEWSFLASH! If you sell on Ebay and rip someone off, expect to receive negative feedback.
I think this sets up a huge precedent for abuse on Ebay. The whole point of feedback is so the buyer can make a decision on whether or not he wishes to do business with said seller. There are a lot of bad sellers out there and I hope that this doesn't make it easier for bad sellers to get off the hook and/or continue their bad business practices.
 
2003-01-28 02:08:24 PM  
That's it, I'm filing suit against half the farkers in here. You have all maligned me in some way and I have suffered immensely. Drew, I command you to give up the names of all farkers. Let's start with Harmonia...


If this judge does not throw this case out, I will cast myself off the nearest building, because surely it will signal the end of civilization.

FARKING LAWYERS!
 
2003-01-28 02:08:35 PM  
asshoal or ass hoal

Asshat!
 
2003-01-28 02:11:05 PM  
The whole point of feedback is so the buyer can make a decision on whether or not he wishes to do business with said seller.

Exactly! Feedback is the equivalent of a real-world D&B rating, in a manner of speaking.

A wonderfully simple and effective system for "the world's flea market".

/wish I'd a thought of it!
 
2003-01-28 02:13:40 PM  
You shouldn't call him an asshat or an asshole... he might sue you and Drew for 100 million dollars.
 
2003-01-28 02:17:27 PM  
One jackass cheated a few of us out of money. He didn't deliver my CD-R, but I got most of money back.

I also had a problem with a buyer from Scandinavia or some other place. Although I said in the ad I'd sell to the US only, I said I would send it to her anyway. She didn't respond fast and so I asked if she would hurry up as I would like to sell my item. She didn't know English well and assumed that I was trying to resell it. Negative feedback was left for me...I told eBay I thought it should be removed...it was.

eBay's been a good moneymaker for me.
 
2003-01-28 02:17:41 PM  
JerkStore: If you live and die by Ebay, you really need to get a life. Really.

Well, I don't live and die by Ebay, but it puts food on our table. As our pos. feedback approaches 1700 (with just two negs -- both from mentally ill people), we continue to get more bids than people who are selling similar items but have spotty feedback. -- It also helps that we don't gouge people on shipping, and we package everything with the theory that it's going to be thrown around by gorillas, like the old Samsonite commerical (the post office, I believe, really does employ silver back gorillas in their shipping warehouses).

Ebay is very good about hiding behind this "we're just a gateway" mission statement. They're happy to take a commission on your sales, but make it difficult to get money back when you've been deadbeated by a buyer. They exalt the virtues of their feedback system, but do not take action against people who post blatantly false statements in feedback. They say they will suspend users with excessive negatives, but if you are a Power Seller and are making them a lot of money, they let that policy slide.

/gripe session
 
2003-01-28 02:18:29 PM  
assbag
assclown
assmunch
 
2003-01-28 02:47:41 PM  
Ironbar: Is that kind of like a thighmaster?
 
2003-01-28 02:58:17 PM  
assbandito
 
2003-01-28 02:59:03 PM  
my other favorite is dildomuncher
 
2003-01-28 03:05:47 PM  
Fargin' Icehole?
 
2003-01-28 03:29:52 PM  
assteroid?
 
2003-01-28 03:50:48 PM  
Well, anyone who enjoyed e-bay can say goodbye. No longer can a shiatty seller be reprimanded.

Here's an idea. Mabye Neely should have went to court and brought the magazines in to show everyone that he was lying and the plantiff was just worthless scum? God. The world is going down the poop chute.
 
2003-01-28 03:52:58 PM  
01-28-03 02:02:40 PM Blook
Asshat is a stupid word.


That's clearly a libellous comment. Lawyers for the word Asshat will be on your doorstep tomorrow morning.
 
2003-01-28 04:19:11 PM  
OrangeCat:

I understand what you're saying. I've found a lot of stuff for my '41 Buick Century on Ebay, sold about a grand worth of flathead Ford parts I don't need, and it's been quite useful to me. But if you're so tied to it that a bad feedback sends you into such a tizzy like it did with this guy, you really need a reality check.

I'm consistently worried about the feedback game--it's like playing poker, with each party waiting to see what the other does. I send my money right away when I win an auction. They should give positive feedback immediately. When I get the item, I leave feedback based on the condition and quality. I haven't left any negative feedback yet, nor have I received any. But the day will surely come when I get something that isn't as described, and I'll leave the appropriate feedback. And at that point, I'm sure there will be retaliation. If you follow the trails of bad feedback, it's just one guy who got screwed letting the world know it, and the guy who did the screwing is fighting back like a child. And I totally agree that Ebay should be self-policing as it is today. If you get and give bad feedback on the same transaction, chances are you're an asshead.

Do you have any '41 Buick parts lying around? I need a front bumper...
 
2003-01-28 06:19:01 PM  
This isn't going to mean nobody gets bad feedback anymore. It will help get rid of idiots who leave bad feedback for retaliation or because they were an idiot and didn't read the item listing.
 
2003-01-28 06:24:19 PM  
oh man I SOOO hope ebay (and amazon for that matter) will decide to be more strict on feedback policies.
Amazon refuses to delete feedback that this guy I bought a book from gave me. 1 star out of 5 because he sold me a book that was falling apart and refused me a refund. Man that pissed me off.

Unfortunetly he didn't call me names in said feedback so I couldn't claim libel and sue.
 
2003-01-28 07:09:54 PM  
someone should find out thier e-bay names so we can fark em both. that would be funny.
 
2003-01-28 08:47:12 PM  
let me get this straight, I can now stiff you, or take 10 weeks to mail your stuff, or lie about the condition of something I am selling, and if you say something bad about me, I can petition to ebay to have the negative feedback removed?

Great, I don't shop on ebay but this just makes me want to even less.
 
2003-01-28 09:32:26 PM  
ummm... didn't the story actually say that eBay was off the hook, but NOT the seller?? Grace..||..planned to pursue his claims against Neeley.

/reading.the.hole.story
 
2003-01-29 02:49:55 AM  
Anyone know this guy's ebayid?

It would be funny to give him bad feedback :)
 
2003-01-29 07:20:46 AM  
This is typical eBay business practice. They have become so arrogant with their suspensions (that you cannot defend yourself against regardless of the value of your position) and other policies because we keep supporting them.

Stop using eBay. Make the effort to use other auction services instead. When eBay has some legitimate competition, the company will probably become more realistic about the need for decent customer service and a problem like this user had will be less likely to occur.

In this case, the plaintiff had enough money to sue eBay. In most cases, the wronged continue to be wronged. My favourite was when a guy was not allowed to register for eBay because the person he bought his house from had some troubles with the auction giant. In other words, the man's address was black listed. So now eBay is so pervasive we need to ask a home seller about his eBay reputation?

Stop the madness. Seek alternatives through auction sites who offer proper customer care.
 
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