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2009-02-12 08:27:13 AM
Since he's in Canada I'll be optimistic and give this program six months before it's closed, either through threats or attempts on his life.
 
2009-02-12 08:43:03 AM
Tatsuma: Since he's in Canada I'll be optimistic and give this program six months before it's closed, either through threats or attempts on his life.

You're cool. Glass houses, stones, and all that.
 
2009-02-12 08:50:10 AM
Tatsuma: Since he's in Canada I'll be optimistic and give this program six months before it's closed, either through threats or attempts on his life.

Yes, Canada...a country renowned for its intolerance and factious citizens.
 
2009-02-12 08:55:44 AM
Two Middle Eastern mothers are sitting in the cafe strip chatting over a pint
of goat's milk. The older of the mothers pulls her bag out and starts
flipping through pictures and they start reminiscing.

"This is my oldest son Mohammed. He's 24 years old now."

"Yes, I remember him as a baby," says the other mother cheerfully.

"He's a martyr now though," mum confides.

"Oh so sad dear," says the other.

"And this is my second son Khalid. He's 21."

"Oh, I remember him," says the other happily, "he had such curly hair when he was born".

"He's a martyr too," says mum quietly.

"Oh gracious me ...." says the other.

"And this is my third son. My baby. My beautiful Ahmed. He's 18," she whispers.

"Yes," says the friend enthusiastically, "I remember when he first started school".

"He's a martyr also," says mum, with tears in her eyes.

After a pause and a deep sigh, the second muslim mother looks wistfully at the photographs and says... "They blow up so fast, don't they?"
 
2009-02-12 08:59:44 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: Two Middle Eastern mothers are sitting in the cafe strip chatting over a pint
of goat's milk. The older of the mothers pulls her bag out and starts
flipping through pictures and they start reminiscing.

"This is my oldest son Mohammed. He's 24 years old now."

"Yes, I remember him as a baby," says the other mother cheerfully.

"He's a martyr now though," mum confides.

"Oh so sad dear," says the other.

"And this is my second son Khalid. He's 21."

"Oh, I remember him," says the other happily, "he had such curly hair when he was born".

"He's a martyr too," says mum quietly.

"Oh gracious me ...." says the other.

"And this is my third son. My baby. My beautiful Ahmed. He's 18," she whispers.

"Yes," says the friend enthusiastically, "I remember when he first started school".

"He's a martyr also," says mum, with tears in her eyes.

After a pause and a deep sigh, the second muslim mother looks wistfully at the photographs and says... "They blow up so fast, don't they?"


Haw-haw, its acceptable racism. Chris Rock was dead on.
 
2009-02-12 09:05:06 AM
DslainteC: Tatsuma: Since he's in Canada I'll be optimistic and give this program six months before it's closed, either through threats or attempts on his life.

Yes, Canada...a country renowned for its intolerance and factious citizens.


I don't think it matters where he is. Radicals be crazy. Everywhere.
 
2009-02-12 09:08:53 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: Two Middle Eastern mothers are sitting in the cafe strip chatting over a pint
of goat's milk. The older of the mothers pulls her bag out and starts
flipping through pictures and they start reminiscing.

"This is my oldest son Mohammed. He's 24 years old now."

"Yes, I remember him as a baby," says the other mother cheerfully.

"He's a martyr now though," mum confides.

"Oh so sad dear," says the other.

"And this is my second son Khalid. He's 21."

"Oh, I remember him," says the other happily, "he had such curly hair when he was born".

"He's a martyr too," says mum quietly.

"Oh gracious me ...." says the other.

"And this is my third son. My baby. My beautiful Ahmed. He's 18," she whispers.

"Yes," says the friend enthusiastically, "I remember when he first started school".

"He's a martyr also," says mum, with tears in her eyes.

After a pause and a deep sigh, the second muslim mother looks wistfully at the photographs and says... "They blow up so fast, don't they?"


Oh, I'm so going to hell for laughing at that.
 
2009-02-12 09:33:15 AM
Bored Horde: You're cool. Glass houses, stones, and all that.

Ah yes, it's a well known phenomenon, Orthodox Jews go out and kill Jews who distort the Torah or reject it.

DslainteC: Yes, Canada...a country renowned for its intolerance and factious citizens.

Canada is quite a tolerant country, however

xanadian: I don't think it matters where he is. Radicals be crazy. Everywhere.

That's why I give him an extra few months, due to where he's located.
 
2009-02-12 09:58:07 AM
Tatsuma: Ah yes, it's a well known phenomenon, Orthodox Jews go out and kill Jews who distort the Torah or reject it.

This dude disagrees.
 
2009-02-12 10:07:42 AM
Bored Horde: Tatsuma: Ah yes, it's a well known phenomenon, Orthodox Jews go out and kill Jews who distort the Torah or reject it.

This dude disagrees.


Rabin was assassinated over a disagreement on the Torah? Really?
 
2009-02-12 10:15:36 AM
Bored Horde: This dude disagrees.

A) He didn't kill over a distortion of Judaism
B) One exception that confirms the rule
 
2009-02-12 10:18:52 AM
muck4doo: Rabin was assassinated over a disagreement on the Torah? Really?

Perhaps there are three different thoughts here. I am thinking that there are extreme elements in Orthodox Judaism that will attack more centrist members who try and build a coexistence movement. I think that there are similar (and more aggresive) elements in Islam.

Tatsuma, from what I read, believes that no follower of Judaism has ever attacked another follower of Judaism over an interpretation of their holy writ. I disagree. From what I quickly read from several books (Thank you Google Books) the assassin was concerned that Rabin would hand Holy Land over to the Palestinians, and promote a living side-by-side strategy. Attacks and threats agaisnt groups that promote coexistance seems to be a common theme in extremist elements in the Orthodox community. The motivations for this hostility could be better answered by the resident expert.
 
2009-02-12 10:56:55 AM
Bored Horde: Perhaps there are three different thoughts here. I am thinking that there are extreme elements in Orthodox Judaism that will attack more centrist members who try and build a coexistence movement. I think that there are similar (and more aggresive) elements in Islam.

This has nothing to do with my earlier statement and your attempt to debunk it. Admit it was retarded and move on, stop digging.

Tatsuma, from what I read, believes that no follower of Judaism has ever attacked another follower of Judaism over an interpretation of their holy writ. I disagree.

Your reading comprehension is completely off, once again. Nowhere did I say that.

From what I quickly read from several books (Thank you Google Books) the assassin was concerned that Rabin would hand Holy Land over to the Palestinians, and promote a living side-by-side strategy.

And your knowledge of who Yigal Amir is or what he did is once again superficial and gleaned from reading tidbits over the internet, not any actual in-depth study. Which explains your overall position on Israel.

Attacks and threats agaisnt groups that promote coexistance seems to be a common theme in extremist elements in the Orthodox community.

No it's not.
 
2009-02-12 10:57:02 AM
They were BORN that way you damn terrophobes!
 
2009-02-12 10:59:12 AM
He looks like the guy that does the ads for TaxMasters.
 
2009-02-12 10:59:14 AM
NYZooMan: They were BORN that way you damn terrophobes!

I like this so much.
 
2009-02-12 11:01:28 AM
Tatsuma: Since he's in Canada I'll be optimistic and give this program six months before it's closed, either through threats or attempts on his life.

It looks like they have been doing this kind of thing since 2006...

Link (new window)

From our experience traveling around the Islamic world -- to places like Cairo in Egypt, Kualampor in Malaysia, Mecca and Medina, Damascus in Syria, Nouakchott in Mauritania, Casablanca in Morocco, Baghdad in Iraq as well as Non-Muslim regions in China, Taiwan, Panama and Tokyo -- we have enabled muslims to use this knowledge and firsthand experience in order to address the real needs of the Islamic world, which we believe is simply lack of knowledge.

But go ahead and stereotype Muslims as violent and intolerant, it makes it easier to not take you seriously.
 
2009-02-12 11:02:15 AM
powerfulnews.com

What about these guys? They're out of control, with their loops verses buttons controversy.
 
2009-02-12 11:03:41 AM
...

Ryan2065: But go ahead and stereotype Muslims as violent and intolerant

RADICALS muslims are violent and intolerant. How hard is that to get?
 
2009-02-12 11:06:25 AM
I'm all for it. This here is an example of some Muslims realizing that there is some craziness in the Islamic world and are taking steps to sort it out. I'm not sure how much it will help, but good on 'em. I wish them luck.
 
2009-02-12 11:08:22 AM
Bored Horde: Dancin_In_Anson: Two Middle Eastern mothers are sitting in the cafe strip chatting over a pint
of goat's milk. The older of the mothers pulls her bag out and starts
flipping through pictures and they start reminiscing.

"This is my oldest son Mohammed. He's 24 years old now."

"Yes, I remember him as a baby," says the other mother cheerfully.

"He's a martyr now though," mum confides.

"Oh so sad dear," says the other.

"And this is my second son Khalid. He's 21."

"Oh, I remember him," says the other happily, "he had such curly hair when he was born".

"He's a martyr too," says mum quietly.

"Oh gracious me ...." says the other.

"And this is my third son. My baby. My beautiful Ahmed. He's 18," she whispers.

"Yes," says the friend enthusiastically, "I remember when he first started school".

"He's a martyr also," says mum, with tears in her eyes.

After a pause and a deep sigh, the second muslim mother looks wistfully at the photographs and says... "They blow up so fast, don't they?"

Haw-haw, its acceptable racism. Chris Rock was dead on.



Wow, and all this time I thought Islam was a religion, not a race. If I can't hate people for their violent medieval beliefs, then what?

Kudos to this one of the fifty or so sane Muslims for trying to rein this shiat in.

His head to mysteriously fall off in 3...2...1...
 
2009-02-12 11:09:12 AM
fireclown: I'm all for it. This here is an example of some Muslims realizing that there is some craziness in the Islamic world and are taking steps to sort it out. I'm not sure how much it will help, but good on 'em. I wish them luck.

So am I. However, I am genuinely concerned for his well-being. Islam is being held hostage by radicals, and although they are not the majority, they easily manipulate Islam through violence and control of Saudi Arabia.

It's harder to reclaim your religion when speaking out means the likelihood of being killed. And that's the best case scenario if you get noticed by the crazies.
 
2009-02-12 11:09:21 AM
Tatsuma: Ryan2065: But go ahead and stereotype Muslims as violent and intolerant

RADICALS muslims are violent and intolerant. How hard is that to get?


If someone said the same thing you said about a Jewish program like this they would immediately be painted as racist by you.
 
2009-02-12 11:09:53 AM
They have been doing this in Saudi Arabia pretty successfully.

Death to America!

///Obligatory

Tatsuma: Since he's in Canada I'll be optimistic and give this program six months before it's closed, either through threats or attempts on his life.

If they had one In the states I would probably check it out. Al-Qaeda doesn't benefit all that much "Terrorism". In fact I can think of a certain group that benefits a lot more from it both politically and financially.
 
2009-02-12 11:10:08 AM
Great idea.
 
2009-02-12 11:11:50 AM
Ryan2065: If someone said the same thing you said about a Jewish program like this they would immediately be painted as racist by you.

No, I would have painted him as a retard and ignorant, since this is definitely not a problem that plagues our community.

Are you seriously saying that extremist muslims do not threaten or kill those who go against their own version of Islam? Really?
 
2009-02-12 11:12:38 AM
Tatsuma: Attacks and threats agaisnt groups that promote coexistance seems to be a common theme in extremist elements in the Orthodox community.

No it's not.


So is this article purely conjecture? I'm honestly curious here, no set judgement. Is there a massive outsider bias in play here, and are these honestly completely isolated incidents?
 
2009-02-12 11:12:44 AM
Tatsuma: Since he's in Canada I'll be optimistic and give this program six months before it's closed, either through threats or attempts on his life.

If it's canada then his death to America and Isreal world view will be the norm. He'll fit right in.
 
2009-02-12 11:13:21 AM
Tatsuma: ...

Ryan2065: But go ahead and stereotype Muslims as violent and intolerant

RADICALS muslims are violent and intolerant. How hard is that to get?


And radical Jews aren't intolerant either?
Jewish Demonstration (new window)

People saying things like "wipe them out" and making comparisons to cancer really makes radical jews sound different in comparison to the radical muslims right?

Right?
 
2009-02-12 11:13:21 AM
Tatsuma: It's harder to reclaim your religion when speaking out means the likelihood of being killed.

You really believe that the Muslims who speak out are likely to be killed? This guy has openly debated Muslim terrorists who went on to bomb places in Canada and no one has tried to kill him yet.

There are a ton of Muslims who speak out against the violence the radicals do and they haven't had attempts on their lives. You might need to rethink your opinion of Muslims if you really believe this.
 
2009-02-12 11:13:22 AM
Tatsuma: It's harder to reclaim your religion when speaking out means the likelihood of being killed. And that's the best case scenario if you get noticed by the crazies.

S'right. The dudes have balls too.
 
2009-02-12 11:14:27 AM
nastyboi: If it's canada then his death to America and Isreal world view will be the norm. He'll fit right in.

That's the point, this Imam is saying "Not death to America, Not death to Israel, No to terrorism, Islam is peaceful stop watching Hamas youtube videos and knocking one in you morons" and he's saying that in Toronto.
 
2009-02-12 11:14:51 AM
Tatsuma: Are you seriously saying that extremist muslims do not threaten or kill those who go against their own version of Islam? Really?

This is something that doesn't happen often. From some of the other links in this thread it looks like it happens in your religion also.
 
2009-02-12 11:15:35 AM
fireclown: I'm all for it. This here is an example of some Muslims realizing that there is some craziness in the Islamic world and are taking steps to sort it out. I'm not sure how much it will help, but good on 'em. I wish them luck.

THIS THIS THIS I wish him well

maybe we can reign in our fundies here
 
2009-02-12 11:15:35 AM
Tatsuma: No, I would have painted him as a retard and ignorant, since this is definitely not a problem that plagues our community.

From what I've seen recently in the news, some of the settlers would benefit from de-toxification.
 
2009-02-12 11:16:03 AM
Tatsuma: ...

Ryan2065: But go ahead and stereotype Muslims as violent and intolerant

RADICALS muslims are violent and intolerant. How hard is that to get?


You sound concerned.
 
2009-02-12 11:17:53 AM
The Duke of Carrot Flowers: From what I've seen recently in the news, some of the settlers would benefit from de-toxification

Oh, good luck with that. The settlers seem to be Israel's third rail of politics.
 
2009-02-12 11:17:59 AM
Ryan2065: You really believe that the Muslims who speak out are likely to be killed? This guy has openly debated Muslim terrorists who went on to bomb places in Canada and no one has tried to kill him yet.

There have been plenty of people who have been threatened and killed. And there's a difference between debating them and going out and actively trying to steer their recruits from them.

There are a ton of Muslims who speak out against the violence the radicals do and they haven't had attempts on their lives. You might need to rethink your opinion of Muslims if you really believe this.

In the West. And there are plenty who started speaking out and then caved in due to threats. Or ex-Muslims. Ask Wafa Sultan or Ayaan Hirsi Ali

LegacyDL: Jewish Demonstration (new window)

Oh no jews saying that Hamas must be obliterated that's insane!
 
2009-02-12 11:19:53 AM
DslainteC: Tatsuma: Since he's in Canada I'll be optimistic and give this program six months before it's closed, either through threats or attempts on his life.

Yes, Canada...a country renowned for its intolerance and factious citizens.


Gay. Marriage.

Yeah sure Canada is relatively level headed, but let's not pretend that bigotry and racism aren't under the covers. We still don't have a black or female elected MP that turned PM yet, for instance.

And we still tolerate and encourage the whole "mixed salad" paradigm which really translates to "segregated populations." As in, you can keep being all "asian" or whatever, so long as you do it over there, away from my white neighbourhood.
 
2009-02-12 11:20:00 AM
xanadian: Dancin_In_Anson: Two Middle Eastern mothers are sitting in the cafe strip chatting over a pint
of goat's milk. The older of the mothers pulls her bag out and starts
flipping through pictures and they start reminiscing.

"This is my oldest son Mohammed. He's 24 years old now."

"Yes, I remember him as a baby," says the other mother cheerfully.

"He's a martyr now though," mum confides.

"Oh so sad dear," says the other.

"And this is my second son Khalid. He's 21."

"Oh, I remember him," says the other happily, "he had such curly hair when he was born".

"He's a martyr too," says mum quietly.

"Oh gracious me ...." says the other.

"And this is my third son. My baby. My beautiful Ahmed. He's 18," she whispers.

"Yes," says the friend enthusiastically, "I remember when he first started school".

"He's a martyr also," says mum, with tears in her eyes.

After a pause and a deep sigh, the second muslim mother looks wistfully at the photographs and says... "They blow up so fast, don't they?"

Oh, I'm so going to hell for laughing at that.


You and me both... :)

NYZooMan: They were BORN that way you damn terrophobes!

i55.photobucket.com
 
2009-02-12 11:21:11 AM
Bored Horde: Tatsuma: ...

Ryan2065: But go ahead and stereotype Muslims as violent and intolerant

RADICALS muslims are violent and intolerant. How hard is that to get?

You sound concerned.


People should be. Yes radical Muslims are generally 10000 miles away in the great sand box. Problem is we have our own home grown crazies to worry about as well.

Religion like any other political ideology, fascism, communism, socialism and even environmentalism can be used to justify any number "radicals" to take action. Throw in a charismatic rabble rouser and some economic hard times oh boy watch out.
 
2009-02-12 11:21:16 AM
The absolute last place radical Muslims need to go is a Mosque.
 
2009-02-12 11:21:23 AM
Is there one for christians?
graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2009-02-12 11:21:53 AM
Leave it to Tatsuma to take a "feel-good" subject and shiat all over the thread, turning it into a pissing match. Couldn't you just have acknowledged that this was a good thing?fark, man, I'm really trying hard to ignore all the noise about you because I respect your intellect and wit (and musical tastes), but you're really annoying sometimes.
 
2009-02-12 11:23:24 AM
DslainteC: Tatsuma: Since he's in Canada I'll be optimistic and give this program six months before it's closed, either through threats or attempts on his life.

Yes, Canada...a country renowned for its intolerance and factious citizens.


Go through a native reserve and ask the residents about canadian intolerance.
 
2009-02-12 11:23:48 AM
Bored Horde: So is this article purely conjecture?

Mostly conjecture, yes. The messianic movement in Israel has been caught lying and staging events. There is counter-protest, but they are not hounded and attacked, no. Were there a few isolated cases of violence? Maybe. That's the point, though, they are isolated and in no way representative of the Jewish community as a whole.

As for the bomb that exploded, the investigation hasn't brought up any actual charges against Jews and they were investigating whether this was terrorism-related.

Ryan2065: This is something that doesn't happen often. From some of the other links in this thread it looks like it happens in your religion also.

... Do you know anything about the Middle-East at all? Imams who say that they should make peace with Israel can be condemned to death, so can journalists and others who say such things.

And I never said it didn't happen at all, I said it wasn't something widespread or even common.
 
2009-02-12 11:24:43 AM
The Mad Highlander: Is there one for christians?

I would have said THIS 20 years ago

But he's been largely discredited and marginalized. Fallwell also doesn't generally doesn't ask his congregation to blow themselves up in crowded buses either.
 
2009-02-12 11:25:31 AM
Tatsuma: There have been plenty of people who have been threatened and killed. And there's a difference between debating them and going out and actively trying to steer their recruits from them.

You said this: It's harder to reclaim your religion when speaking out means the likelihood of being killed.

This guy has not only spoken out, he has debated them in public and hasn't had any problems. You are trying to make it seem like this is the norm when in reality the norm is nothing happens to the people who speak out against this kind of thing.

Tatsuma: In the West. And there are plenty who started speaking out and then caved in due to threats. Or ex-Muslims. Ask Wafa Sultan or Ayaan Hirsi Ali

I never said it didn't happen, it just doesn't happen as often as you want people to believe.
 
2009-02-12 11:25:45 AM
The Duke of Carrot Flowers: Leave it to Tatsuma to take a "feel-good" subject and shiat all over the thread, turning it into a pissing match. Couldn't you just have acknowledged that this was a good thing?fark, man, I'm really trying hard to ignore all the noise about you because I respect your intellect and wit (and musical tastes), but you're really annoying sometimes.

I'm genuinely concerned about the guy's safety! Did you see what the protests were like in Toronto and Montreal during the last Gaza op? You don't think some of the hotheads might want to object to a guy who's basically a kafir to them?
 
2009-02-12 11:25:54 AM
nastyboi: DslainteC: Tatsuma: Since he's in Canada I'll be optimistic and give this program six months before it's closed, either through threats or attempts on his life.

Yes, Canada...a country renowned for its intolerance and factious citizens.

Go through a native reserve and ask the residents about canadian intolerance.


See this one I draw the line at though. Natives born in the last 30 years have had EVERY CHANCE to make something of their lives, either through their own education or moving off the reserves. Nobody is holding guns to their heads saying you have to live 500km from any populated city and thus be devoid of jobs/school/etc.

And while I deplore the treatment of years passed, as a 27 year old I don't feel I should be paying NEW SETTLEMENTS to aboriginals, especially ones younger than I am, for shiat that happened decades/centuries before I was born.
 
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