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2003-01-28 12:37:49 AM  
If You really want to sound like Led Zeppelin, just buy a Marshall and a Les Paul. This Guitar doesn't really offer anything new. So the player is able to put a different effect on each string.Big deal. "Hex"(6 separate outputs) pickups have been around for years. It's just that having a phase shifter on one string, a fuzz on the next, echo on the one after that etc. is not particularly useful. Guitars just don't make good synthesizer controllers. Every 15 years or so, another company rolls out another one of these monstrosities, and every time, it bombs. In say, 1980, at least it had shock value initially, but after 5 minutes of watching someone produce trumpet, violin and drum sounds out of their guitar, it just gets dismissed as electronic "smoke and mirrors", and actually downplays any guitar chops the player actually have. As far as dependability, and being able to get parts for it in Schenectady on a Sunday, no thanks, that thing is a back-line tech's nightmare. Another gravely important issue is, if there is ANY lag time, if there is even 5ms. between the time when you hit the strings, and the time when sound comes out, It's not even useable.
 
2003-01-28 02:10:30 AM  
this is crazy if you rellaly want to sound like jimmy page, get stff he used.

FACT
all old poeple use old stuff for making odl msuic.

FACT
old sutff still exists

FACT
you can buy olds tuf and make music wihtout this crazy harry potter 'ehternet'

FACT
people are stupid
 
2003-01-28 02:24:39 AM  
relaly sff poeple odl msuic sutff olds tuf wihtout ehternet.......are you touch-typing?
 
2003-01-28 02:28:04 AM  
shiat I didn't know Mel Gibson even played.
 
2003-01-28 02:28:13 AM  
"are you touch-typing?" with mittens on. Ya gotta see the guy's profile to appreciate it.
 
2003-01-28 02:30:15 AM  
old and busted
 
2003-01-28 02:36:18 AM  
truth be told, i dont use gibson. truth be told, i dont like paige.

the real deal is the telesonic. the fender tele/gibson hybrid! now thats some retarded crap!
 
2003-01-28 02:38:47 AM  
Hey Maintenance, have you heard that new band Dyslexia? They rokc!
 
2003-01-28 02:40:35 AM  
I have to sya this is a particularily poor idea - 250 micro-second latency, with possibiltiy of jitters?! I just hope they didn't mean milli-second... Give me my nice analogue SG any day...
 
2003-01-28 02:40:53 AM  
I got de Les Paul, 100W Marshall stack, and Digitech RP-7.
Makes any effect from Floyd to devil music.
Don't want no digital guitar...
Things like the 'Maintenance' profile is what makes FARK rock......
 
2003-01-28 02:45:09 AM  
i will say while this is a dumb idea, analog wireless is pretty crappy... so how bout a bluetooth guitar? not that i know any guitarists who would even try it, but, what tha hell... it's got a slightly better chance.
 
2003-01-28 02:50:30 AM  
Too bad guitar is cliche now. Everyone and their mom plays the guitar, real men play the huge ass pipe organ, biatches.
 
2003-01-28 02:51:39 AM  
In a related story, Fark sucks and so does their pansy biatch ass liberal pussy swear filters.
 
2003-01-28 03:07:42 AM  
converting all of the guitar output to digital will change the sound up a bit, just like using a solid-state versus tube amp or anything like that. All of this flashy stuff with effects on each string is really irrelevant. Also, people who think they'll be able to channel jimmy paige or randy rhoads through this equipmet will be disappointed, as others have already said. I'm glad when new equipemt comes out though, because it's an opportunity to make your own damn sound and not copy those guys.
 
2003-01-28 03:10:13 AM  
Sex_Master_Flex:
Real men play bass!
 
2003-01-28 03:12:44 AM  
So does this mean you can now download porn while you're playing onstage? Cool!
 
2003-01-28 03:14:15 AM  
If it ain't broke, don't fix it... this is just a new toy for guys like Vai and Petrucci - the rest of us real guitarists will ignore garbage like this
 
2003-01-28 03:18:30 AM  
Ah, technology, constantly providing answers to questions that no one asked.
 
2003-01-28 03:19:19 AM  
For a second there I thought it said "Mel Gibson comes out. W/ pictures"
 
2003-01-28 03:28:46 AM  
Great -- thanks, Gibson. Now how much are you going to charge for this nigh-useless technology that could probably be accomplished pretty easily with equipment that exists today if anyone actually wanted to? $5000? That seems about worth it for a piece of wood that makes sound. *hate* *hate*

-proud owner of a 1970s Grecian masterpiece. It doesn't have the chip that you can see in one of the pictures -- I don't know what that is. Some piece of leaf or something must have stuck to it while the guy was taking the pictures (I got it from eBay) -- that's what happens when you take pictures of a guitar outside! Anyway, sounds the same as a Gibson, plays the same as a Gibson, cost 1/5 the price. If you don't believe me about the sounding, etc. hunt down one to play for yourself -- if you're lucky! =)

*drags self away from keyboard to stop from talking about guitars for hours on end*
 
2003-01-28 03:34:55 AM  
Generally speaking the music industry is very digital-averse," acknowledged Gibson Labs general manager Shri Arora

What century is this guy living in? Sadder thing is, it looks like the same stuck-in-time problem affects many of the bufoons around here, too. Hmph.

 
2003-01-28 03:39:19 AM  
"In a related story, Fark sucks and so does their pansy biatch ass liberal pussy swear filters"

Fark does not suck. Swear filters do not suck.

I do, however, absolutely farking hate the control freak, thin skinned and absolutely unnecessary cliche filters.

/ever see a guy squirt blood from his eyes?
 
2003-01-28 03:42:17 AM  
I'm working on the first Vaporware Guitar. It's perfect, at least in theory.
 
2003-01-28 03:43:27 AM  
d3wD u suk! We can use this to jam on the inter net, like across the whole world!! U could plug in to Fark and play music with **everybody**!!! Why yawanna hate huh???????
 
2003-01-28 03:45:36 AM  
Guitars and computers should never mix.
 
2003-01-28 03:50:27 AM  
kikass, i could quit carry1ng that big amp around to shows and just bring a 5 port hub!! Or maybe go for eight ports cuz we are talkin abot getting some more band members!
Somebody else SWINE is posting after me omg thats WIERD!!!!
 
2003-01-28 03:53:55 AM  
GentDirkly-

AMEN!!!!

Bassists always get farked over. I didn't have the attention span to completely read the article, but if I could make my Rickenbacker to sound like a '61 Jazz Bass...

hmm...
 
2003-01-28 04:51:17 AM  
My Bass Rig:
Musicman Stingray (screw Jazz basses)
Ampeg SVT 250
Yorkville 410 cabinet

My Guitar Rig:
Gibson Nighthawk
Late 70's Marshall JMP MKII 2203 100 watter (Anything from the JCM line sucks)
Early 70's Sound City 4x12 with eminence speakers.
 
2003-01-28 06:22:56 AM  
Seperate settings for each string, eh... That has my interest. Right now, I would be so very happy to have seperate high frequency controls for my lower and higher strings... The settings that give the B, E, A and D that nice punch, make G and C painfully tinny, especially when I'm a-poppin' and a-slappin'...

Nad for Joshua, since we musicians love listing our stuff to each other:

Guitar rig (not often used these days): Ibanez EX into Mesa/Boogie Caliber 50+ into vintage, unbranded 4x12 cab.

Now, the interesting part: the bass rig:
Washburn RB2600 (active) into
Behringer V-Amp2 digital pre-amp into
Laney Supergroup 200 Watt (vintage, rare? I cannot get any info on this baby) - this head doesn't do trebble. Nope, only low frequencies. Th V-Amp puts a huge trebble boost into my sound... into
A: Peavey 15" at 4 Ohm
B: Custom speaker cab (2x8", 2x10", 18") at 4 Ohm.
Sweeeeet!
 
2003-01-28 06:26:13 AM  
It looks like recording, mixing, editing, etc is all going digital with no hope of going back. The amp, with its tube distortion, may be the last analog to go (if digital distortion ever sounds right).

Making the guitar digital is supposed to keep you from going analog to digital (visa versa) over and over again, which reduces sound quality. I don't think this is such a bad idea.

NIN and Satriani have been plugging right into macs, they sound great, and there are surely many more doing the same. If it'll live up to that pure digital = goodness promise or not, I say give it a try.
 
2003-01-28 06:53:38 AM  
nope...they're turning computers analogue...that's the wave of the future. Not that i know how analogue computers work at all, but COOL.

Having control over the EQ of individual strings would be baaaadass... you could get the nicest sound out of the shiattiest rig... But it won't work...not in your wildest dreams.

fark
 
2003-01-28 07:12:32 AM  
My ethernet guitar goes to 11/101.
 
2003-01-28 07:54:56 AM  
Bass rig (primary instrument):

2000 Fender 5-string J-Bass with new-fangled active pickups that confuse and frighten me (metalic maroon)
1987 Peavey Foundation Custom 4 string (black)
Digitech BP-8 tube preamp/effects
Peavey TKO 75 (never used anymore)
Bassman pratice "amp" for headphones (never used)

Wish I still had: 1964 Kay 3/4 scale that I learned on. Not that I want to play it, I just miss that old tree-trunk. Makes everything else seem easy to play :)

Guitar rig:
Washburn Shadow (strat clone)
Gibson/Epiphone acoustic w/ piezo bridge and eq
RP2000 Modeling Guitar Effects/preamp
Crate TX-15 practice amp (never used anymore)
pignose practice amp (seldom used)

Keyboard:
General Midi SX2 Sampling keyboard

I live in an apartment, so everything runs through my Mackie 1482 pro mixer, into headphones, so as to keep me living in this apartment :)

I don't play out anymore (haven't for about 12 years or so) so the TKO rig doesn't get used, and the practice amps were bought when I got the 6 strings, on a whim, when I had more money than brains. Not worth enough to sell, so they take up space in my studio/server room and look pretty.
 
2003-01-28 08:01:20 AM  
GojiraXP - I can sympathize. I bought a $3k VHT half stack (at 17, and paid for with the sweat and superficial burns associated with working in a fast food joint for months) right before going on to live in a series of apartments.

I've played more on my $300 Park than I have on that goddamn VHT.
 
2003-01-28 08:08:03 AM  
Scrotar:

Sounds like you payed for the VHT the same way I paid for the Peavey stuff. Hope you get a chance to really enjoy it. A couple times in the past few years I was tempted to get something like that, but as I've long since given up on making a living that way, it will just have to wait until I can get into a house with a big enough lot that I can hang signs that say "If It's Too Loud, You're Tresspassing" /sigh...
 
2003-01-28 09:29:57 AM  
HAHAHAHAH NOW YUO CAN HAX0R TEH GIBSON!!211
 
2003-01-28 09:44:36 AM  
Digital is the worst for distortion effects on guitar. Also its no good for wah effects...delay is good, flange is good, etc.

I have a Gibson Les Paul Studio and an Epiphone SG that I modified with a Duncan JB-4 pickup at the bridge. The lp is stock.

I play them both through an 87 Laney 100 Watt AOR tube head with matching 4x12 cabinet. The speakers are 35 watt celestions.

This is the raddest sounding rig I've ever had. The only thing I've liked better is playing through a Mesa Dual Rectifier rig that is just outrageously expensive. Maybe someday when my band gets signed(haha, yeah right) I'll have the label buy me that rig and a few more les pauls and maybe a PRS custom.

We record all-digital. Well its to hard disk. 24 tracks all to hard disk, but they go from the amps or drums through analog mics, into the analog 24-channel mixing control board and then they are stored on the hard disks. It sounds really nice when its all done and its far easier to edit than tape when all is said and done.

shameless plug here...
http://www.differencerock.com
 
2003-01-28 10:07:39 AM  
Wow, should I just sell my new SG?
 
2003-01-28 10:09:42 AM  
You cannot beat the Telecaster.
 
2003-01-28 10:20:31 AM  
Hrmmm ethernet guitar interface, I can see it now...

pwN3D!!! I H4x0Red Y0ur Gu!t4R!!!11!! omg r00fles!!!//

Just what we need... another avenue for annoying skiddiots.
 
2003-01-28 10:28:42 AM  
"Dude I've got a blue screen on my Les Paul!!!"
 
2003-01-28 10:35:34 AM  
Ether in your Gibson? That'll Kill You!

Look, it's simple. Gin, Vermouth, Cocktail Onion.

Want to sound like Jimmy Page? Drink six of them. What to sound like Keith Richards? Drink 15.
 
2003-01-28 10:46:35 AM  
Talk about ancient news! I was surprised that /. thought that this was new enough to bother with. I heard about prototypes of this in 2000 (2001 perhaps) and Gibson knew that they were going to go forward with this then.
 
2003-01-28 10:51:03 AM  
Our old guitar player's Digitech RP-12 would crash and reboot in the middle of a gig.

Somehow I don't think you should need on-call support for your guitar.
 
2003-01-28 10:57:19 AM  
Guitar rig
: Ibanez RG7620, RG7420, Ibanez Sabre S7, Ibanez RG 565, Ibanez RT350, Ferington acoustic Electric.
Fender M80 Pro head with 4X12 cabs,Fender Stage lead II, ADA MP5 Tube pre amp, ART SGX (stereo outs to either side of the stage) Digitech FX 7 Digital wah (Oh the range!), ART X15 ultra foot realtime controllers, Rokteck phaser.

Bass rig: Ibanez RD 450, Sound gear 6 string w/ active pick ups, Gallien Kruger head, Fender 1x15 tuned cabs, Digitech GSP5 (Dont ask), Morley wah.

Keyboard rig: Korg X3 Peavy power amps and cabs

Drum rig: 13 peice double bass Pearl export series, custom covered in black chrome skin with hydolic heads, four wall black chrome cage, 3 K series, 6 zilgin platinum, and four mystery cymbals, full set of tuned chimes two hihats (one remote) two cow bells, Aleisis D4 brain with 12 redhots trigers.

All that being said, Ive never found a Guitar controller system like the one gibson (old and busted, like drivin teh model T in the Indy 500) is proposing that I couldnt out run when im not even trying. If it can keep up with the Banz, it may be worth having, on an Ibanez or ESP that is.
 
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2003-01-28 11:24:34 AM  
The running joke in my sound company is that at every show I always have to show the guitar player where to plug in his amplifier. Now you want these same people to use the full digital capabilities of their instrument, never going to happen!
 
2003-01-28 11:33:46 AM  
But the real question is, will Gibson offer a custom rack to carry this ethernet guitar on a Segway?
 
2003-01-28 12:02:29 PM  
Jrez, I beg to differ! I've heard many an all valve amp, that does not meet the standard set by my Behringer V-Amp2. It sounds better than my Boogie at low volume, and way better than my buddys' Laneys and Marshalls at any volume.
The only reason a simulated amp will sound less good than the real thing, is because the simulators didn't do their job properly. There's no real reason why digital couldn't sound every bit as good as toob.
 
2003-01-28 12:05:04 PM  
Ad: As a 30 year vet FOH and back-line guy, I don't let anyone plug in ANYWHERE without my permission. I've seen people plug into lighting dimmer packs, try to use that extra outlet in one of the amp racks (I'll break your arms), even run an orange extension cord over to monitor world. Be thankful these dweebs ask You what to do.
 
2003-01-28 12:31:08 PM  
Hmm - lets think about this an ethernet based audio signal.
Audio is a real-time medium and ethernet is packet based. So basically they are sending packets with time/order signatures so the signal can be pieced back together. Sure you can do some wild stuff if this worked well but you still need/want a real time medium.

Additionally that picture of the CAT5 cable plugging into the Les Paul via the shiatty RJ-45 connectors is ridiculous! I break cables every now and then that are made to be abused. Those cables couldn't withstand gigging. Perhaps if they used Neutrik connectors it might be feasable.

I think this is wrong also as who knows what type of amp will be available to me when I gig. Guitars won't be universally interchangable and such. BLAH! I PISS ON GIBSON!
 
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