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2009-02-10 10:03:09 AM
A favorite tactic of family court lawyers is to tell the woman to incite the man into hitting her. it gets the man locked up and the woman can lay claim to the house. It usually happens in divorces. I don't recall ever hearing it happen in a BF/GF relationship.
 
2009-02-10 10:09:24 AM
Alacritous: A favorite tactic of family court lawyers is to tell the woman to incite the man into hitting her.

Bullshiat.
 
2009-02-10 10:26:38 AM
kronicfeld: Bullshiat

Ditto.
 
2009-02-10 10:45:15 AM
Alacritous: A favorite tactic of family court lawyers is to tell the woman to incite the man into hitting her. it gets the man locked up and the woman can lay claim to the house. It usually happens in divorces. I don't recall ever hearing it happen in a BF/GF relationship.

your a idiot.
 
2009-02-10 10:51:21 AM
Alacritous: A favorite tactic of family court lawyers is to tell the woman to incite the man into hitting her. it gets the man locked up and the woman can lay claim to the house. It usually happens in divorces. I don't recall ever hearing it happen in a BF/GF relationship.

ur a r-trd
 
2009-02-10 10:52:26 AM
Fark. This. Biatch.

I've had this same shiat happen in an apartment I was living in, minus the battery and RO.

Parasite just wouldn't leave.

To paraphrase Chris Rock: I don't agree with hitting women... but I understand.
 
2009-02-10 10:52:48 AM
He's the sole owner of the house... so why can't he just report trespassing?
 
2009-02-10 10:53:03 AM
I've talked to a few women that have had their lawyer tell them this. You can believe me or not, I can only tell you my experience.
 
2009-02-10 10:53:59 AM
madmann: I've had this same shiat happen in an apartment I was living in, minus the battery and RO.

So what you mean is that you have had something completely different happen?
 
2009-02-10 10:55:17 AM
Alacritous: I've talked to a few women that have had their lawyer tell them this. You can believe me or not, I can only tell you my experience.

Ask yourself this:

What would the penalty be for a lawyer who advised this, and it was discovered that the woman had actually followed his advice?

Do you realize you are saying that family lawyers regularly advise their clients to break the law?

I do like how you've now stepped this back into urban legend territory, though.
 
2009-02-10 11:02:19 AM
Obdicut: Do you realize you are saying that family lawyers regularly advise their clients to break the law?

HAHAHAHAHHA.. You have no idea do you.

Look up fathers4justice.. I'll warn you now though, there are some loonies in that group.. but quite a few of them have real claims.
 
2009-02-10 11:05:30 AM
It's unfortunate that it's gone this far and his two court cases haven't resolved anything. But, at the same time, I think it's pretty reasonable for the judge to essentially say "The restraining order is on you for valid legal reasons. If you have a problem with trespassing/squatting, go to a civil court and follow the process. It's not my problem."
 
2009-02-10 11:08:18 AM
Alacritous: quite a few of them have real claims.

Based on your exhaustive investigation, and not their one-sided account of their travails, I'm sure.
 
2009-02-10 11:09:31 AM
All he needs to do is give the keys to a hobo and tell him he can stay in the house for the night. Repeat this every night so that she's never alone. Sure she can call the cops but it will get tiring for her to know there will be a new bum problem waiting for her each evening.
 
2009-02-10 11:13:14 AM
Report trespassing, she gets locked up. Whats the problem?
 
2009-02-10 11:13:57 AM
It just goes to show: if you're going to hit her, you may as well kill the biatch.

jaylectricity: All he needs to do is give the keys to a hobo and tell him he can stay in the house for the night. Repeat this every night so that she's never alone.

Or this. I'd use a friend she hates, rather than a hobo, but hey.
 
2009-02-10 11:15:05 AM
Alacritous: I've talked to a few women that have had their lawyer tell them this. You can believe me or not, I can only tell you my experience.

I don't know if their lawyers suggested it, but I know two women who claimed they were attacked in order to get a restraining order. One was in NJ (late 90's), the other in PA (this past July). It worked both times--both women got to stay in the house and only have to pay 1/2 the bills. Not only were the husbands escorted out by police, a restraining order was immediately issued & then later upheld in family court. They couldn't go back into their own homes and were still responsible for 1/2 the mortgage & bills.

Both women were certifiably batshiat crazy. The guy in NJ only recently got his life back together (got fired from his job because a friend of his ex worked there & told the boss about the restraining order, had to file bankruptcy--it was a mess). The PA guy's in even deeper shiat because his ex has now accused him of breaking into the house (even though his EZ Pass shows he was at least an hour away at the time of the break-in), vandalism (says he broke a water pipe in the basement), and theft (claims he stole her prescription meds & she had to buy all new ones). For some ridiculous reason, the DA is going through with the case. It'll be a long time before that guy gets his life back together.
 
2009-02-10 11:15:38 AM
Alacritous: A favorite tactic of family court lawyers is to tell the woman to incite the man into hitting her. it gets the man locked up and the woman can lay claim to the house. It usually happens in divorces. I don't recall ever hearing it happen in a BF/GF relationship.

What happens if you just shake the shiat out of her?
 
2009-02-10 11:16:09 AM
Alacritous: A favorite tactic of family court lawyers is to tell the woman to incite the man into hitting her

If it's possible to incite a man into hitting a woman then he's a scumbag to begin with.
 
2009-02-10 11:16:43 AM
Thisbymaster: Report trespassing, she gets locked up. Whats the problem?

Does Canada have the same "communal property" laws as most US states? Where no matter whose name is on the property/bank account/car, both own half? If that's the case, she's not trespassing--the house is half hers.
 
2009-02-10 11:16:55 AM
Alacritous: A favorite tactic of family court lawyers is to tell the woman to incite the man into hitting her. it gets the man locked up and the woman can lay claim to the house. It usually happens in divorces. I don't recall ever hearing it happen in a BF/GF relationship.

That happens alot in States like NY which typically have a mandatory one year seperation before the court will allow a divorce filing. A domestic abuse charge is one of the ways to avoid the one year seperation and file immediately. Also puts the husband in a really crappy bargaining position.
 
2009-02-10 11:17:12 AM
A favorite tactic of mine is to incite myself into hitting lawyers.

rpjsyndicate.files.wordpress.com

I'd hit it.
 
2009-02-10 11:17:43 AM
Thisbymaster
Report trespassing, she gets locked up. Whats the problem?


He should have done this the very second she refused to leave his house, he should have called the cops, hired a lawyer, and pursued it. I'm not saying he doesn't have my sympathy, because he does, but in hindsight an ounce of prevention could have been worth a pound of cure.
 
2009-02-10 11:17:52 AM
Change the locks when she's gone, what's so hard about that? Just report it to the police if she tries to break in, and throw all her crap on the lawn.

/from KY
//seen lots of strange things on lawns
 
2009-02-10 11:17:56 AM
I dunno how the laws go in Canada...

but in Washington you can file eviction paperwork...and in 15 days you can have the cops go and 'escort' her out.
 
2009-02-10 11:18:09 AM
This is why I have given up on both girlfriends and the law.

You just can't reason with either of them. No matter what arguments you make to prove you're right, you will be wrong.
 
2009-02-10 11:18:49 AM
I was skeptical, until I read that she has kids. All laws and reason then go out the window.
 
2009-02-10 11:19:09 AM
Step 1: shut off all water and power to the house. Call in a locksmith, have the locks changed.

Step 2: Send the girlfriend a rent notice, equal to..oh 4 times the house payment. sue the crap out of her for damage to the property. Make it up.

I'm betting mom told her precious little snowflake to make up the assault, and she came along just to help provide some false testimony.
 
2009-02-10 11:19:50 AM
Why doesn't he file suit for trespass or even conversion?
 
2009-02-10 11:19:59 AM
It's all a conspiracy theory against the oppressed male gender.
 
2009-02-10 11:20:02 AM
incrdbil: Step 1: shut off all water and power to the house. Call in a locksmith, have the locks changed.

Came to say this
 
2009-02-10 11:20:23 AM
It is a little bit of a different story but I remember a guy that his wife started cheating on him. He could have just left her right there but he loved her and he forgave her. Well she continued to cheat on him and then did it even more openly. Now she started to just bring the other guy home and tell her husband to leave for a while. Finally she made him move into the garage so her and her boyfriend could have the run of the house. Oh and the best part, he still had to pay the mortgage.
 
2009-02-10 11:20:41 AM
Write a letter stating that a friend is authorized to remain in the house to look after the guy's property and interests. State that the ex and her mother are NOT authorized to remain in the house. Have the letter notarized.
Give the keys, and the notarized letter to the afore-mentioned friend. Have him go to the house and call the cops to evict the tresspassers.
 
2009-02-10 11:20:48 AM
Get your own damned place. Welcome to equal rights.
 
2009-02-10 11:21:17 AM
brigid_fitch: Thisbymaster: Report trespassing, she gets locked up. Whats the problem?

Does Canada have the same "communal property" laws as most US states? Where no matter whose name is on the property/bank account/car, both own half? If that's the case, she's not trespassing--the house is half hers.


They're not married. She doesn't own shiat. She needs to GTFO.

rummyCube: Change the locks when she's gone, what's so hard about that? Just report it to the police if she tries to break in, and throw all her crap on the lawn.

/from KY
//seen lots of strange things on lawns


He's been barred from going within 5 blocks of the house...regardless of if she's there or not.

/An AR-15 has an effective range of more than 5 blocks
//just sayin
 
2009-02-10 11:21:17 AM
brigid_fitch: Alacritous: I've talked to a few women that have had their lawyer tell them this. You can believe me or not, I can only tell you my experience.

I don't know if their lawyers suggested it, but I know two women who claimed they were attacked in order to get a restraining order. One was in NJ (late 90's), the other in PA (this past July). It worked both times--both women got to stay in the house and only have to pay 1/2 the bills. Not only were the husbands escorted out by police, a restraining order was immediately issued & then later upheld in family court. They couldn't go back into their own homes and were still responsible for 1/2 the mortgage & bills.

Both women were certifiably batshiat crazy. The guy in NJ only recently got his life back together (got fired from his job because a friend of his ex worked there & told the boss about the restraining order, had to file bankruptcy--it was a mess). The PA guy's in even deeper shiat because his ex has now accused him of breaking into the house (even though his EZ Pass shows he was at least an hour away at the time of the break-in), vandalism (says he broke a water pipe in the basement), and theft (claims he stole her prescription meds & she had to buy all new ones). For some ridiculous reason, the DA is going through with the case. It'll be a long time before that guy gets his life back together.


Justifiable homicide.
 
2009-02-10 11:21:20 AM
Indianabanana: This is why I have given up on both girlfriends and the law.

You just can't reason with either of them. No matter what arguments you make to prove you're right, you will be wrong.


this.
 
2009-02-10 11:21:24 AM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2009-02-10 11:21:39 AM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2009-02-10 11:21:41 AM
El Chode: Why doesn't he file suit for trespass or even conversion?

Because the family abuse protective order statutes likely allow the court to allow her to remain in the house for a reasonable period of time. The idea in cases of abuse is not to put the victim on the street immediately, but to give that person time to get their shiat together and then move out. If this guy didn't like it, then he probably shouldn't have clobbered his live-in girlfriend.
 
2009-02-10 11:22:25 AM
* shakes fist at PoeGhost *
 
2009-02-10 11:22:30 AM
Since, apparently, everything is in his name why not just call the phone/power/water companies and have everything disconnected? Get a PO Box and have all the mail re-routed as well.
 
2009-02-10 11:22:50 AM
Wasn't this a movie with umm Liv Tyler and Matt Dillon, some horrid B Budget flick where she moved in and took over his life then he hired some hit man to do her in and she rides off into the sunset with the hit man?
 
2009-02-10 11:22:58 AM
Solution: hire some "friends" or otherwise to move her out. Hire a locksmith to change the locks and not give them the keys. Problem solved.
 
2009-02-10 11:23:03 AM
the-meter-man: What happens if you just shake the shiat out of her?

Hmmm...still gets you an RO. I once got an RO on an ex for throwing a pitcher of water on me.

/had proof of other things, like signed affidavits of friends stating he stabbed a penguin (a linux lover) and placed it under my car, or would hide in the bathroom at my work, etc.
 
2009-02-10 11:23:19 AM
the-meter-man: What happens if you just shake the shiat out of her?

She would have to change clothes
 
2009-02-10 11:23:43 AM
Alacritous: A favorite tactic of family court lawyers is to tell the woman to incite the man into hitting her.

And BTW, what you fail to realize is that the guy doesn't have to hit her. The woman need only SAY he did. When the cops arrive, turn on the waterworks, cling to them for safety, and tell them how scared you are. Even if they don't believe her, they'll still march the guy out because it obviously makes no sense to leave them both alone together--she'll just do something more drastic. Then she runs to court the next day, files an emergency RO. Court date is usually set for the next week or so to review it. Now the only thing she has to do is convince the judge. If she can do that successfully, the RO is certified (or whatever you call it) and firmly in place.

/Watched it happen twice, as I mentioned above.
//Courts are so ridiculously biased against men, it would be laughable if it weren't so sad for the guys.
 
2009-02-10 11:24:11 AM
kronicfeld: Based on your exhaustive investigation, and not their one-sided account of their travails, I'm sure.

A friend of mine went through a messy divorce about 10 years ago. He got farked over so badly that he couldn't afford a lawyer anymore. He was denied access to his kids, had his drivers license seized, was denied public benefits and had a whole host of other things done to him. I've spent quite a bit of time helping him do legal research over the past few years. we came across many many reports of lawyers teaching their clients how to game the family law system. It's heavily biased against men.

A few of the things he had done to him include having the custody judge require him to attend a parenting assessment at his own cost, $2500 dollars at the time. which he couldn't afford, and until such time as the assessment was completed, he was denied access to his son.

Not having a drivers license made it virtually impossible to get a job that made enough money to pay the support payments he agreed to in the divorce. He was a surveyor by trade and if he was working in his field could be making 100,000 to 150,000 a year. but with no DL, no one would hire him. He couldn't make the payments, so the Maintenance enforcement people wouldn't let him have his license back. Wash, Rinse, Repeat. and not being able to afford a lawyer made it impossible to get the order changed.

There's significantly more to his story than that, but I'll leave it there.

It was during this research that I came across the stories of Family law lawyers telling their women clients what to do in a divorce to make the man look like a steaming pile of shiat to the judge so they'd get virtually whatever they wanted. I corresponded with a few of them. You'll find similar stories on the net if you take the time to look.
 
2009-02-10 11:24:20 AM
I know first hand, that if you leave your house, because the G/F is being a pain, she can call the police and ask them to escort you out after you get home, because she is scared. Even if she just visits on the weekend, and owns nothing in the house. And the police will make you leave and stay gone until she goes home. Leaving your home, and belongings at the mercy of the nut job you invited over days ago.
 
2009-02-10 11:24:23 AM
Sounds like he should just sell the house and use the money to go live somewhere else, that would solve all of his problems.
 
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