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2009-02-09 03:27:05 PM  
This headline is much better than mine.

/+1
 
2009-02-09 03:40:44 PM  
 
2009-02-09 03:42:23 PM  
+1, Subby.
 
2009-02-09 03:56:41 PM  
+1, nicely played.

Also, three thoughts on this. First off, this is the right move, PR-wise. Admit the use, deny knowing what you took (knowing makes it look like you researched it), apologize, and move on.

Second, when did A-Rod become a Guido? Lay off the fake-bake.

Third, Peter Gammons is a smart journalist. That's why he's on the 20.
 
2009-02-09 04:08:02 PM  
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I didn't know steroids turned you orange...
 
2009-02-09 04:08:13 PM  
Rodriguez seemed to say he used the drugs during all three of his seasons in Texas. Pressing him on the time frame, Gammons asked whether Rodriguez was saying he used steroids in 2001, 2002 and 2003, and Rodriguez answered, "That's pretty accurate, yes."

three seasons. he admitted to.

forget the Hall. He piled up massive stats during those years. Throw them out. And what residual effect did it have in '04, '05? His whole career can be thrown away.
 
2009-02-09 04:10:40 PM  

SlothB77: Rodriguez seemed to say he used the drugs during all three of his seasons in Texas. Pressing him on the time frame, Gammons asked whether Rodriguez was saying he used steroids in 2001, 2002 and 2003, and Rodriguez answered, "That's pretty accurate, yes."

three seasons. he admitted to.

forget the Hall. He piled up massive stats during those years. Throw them out. And what residual effect did it have in '04, '05? His whole career can be thrown away.


This. Sucks. I had hoped he would capture the most home runs with a clean record.
 
2009-02-09 04:10:46 PM  
Great headline, much better than mine.

I can't like A-Rod. He comes off fake. He comes off socially akward. He comes off in my mouth.
 
2009-02-09 04:12:09 PM  
i still don't understand why 'roids made bonds get so big, especially the size of his head, but ARod stays skinny?
 
2009-02-09 04:12:14 PM  
Horrible headline. The A-Rod gay joke is way old. Now we have the roid shiat, let's make up some new jokes.
 
2009-02-09 04:12:25 PM  
I'll give the douchebag credit. I would've bet my house on him using the "I tried steroids once or twice, because I was trying to recover from an injury, but I didn't like it" defense. The Pettitte special, as we call it.

That said, why would you believe a word that comes out of his mouth at this point?
 
2009-02-09 04:12:43 PM  
Goodbye, baseball.
 
2009-02-09 04:13:17 PM  
The question is, was Jeter involved?
 
2009-02-09 04:13:38 PM  
"The more honest we can all be, the quicker we can get baseball [back] to where it needs to be."

Glad to see he thinks everybody else should be honest now that he got outed as a liar and a user. What a guy.
 
2009-02-09 04:13:43 PM  
As a Mets fan who HATES the Yankees, I have to say, I respect A-Rod for coming out and just flat out stating the truth. Its going to make everything a lot easier on everyone.

Are his records for those years tarnished? Yes. But at least now people know the truth, and will start to move forward and get over it pretty quickly I'd imagine (except maybe for Red Sox fans)

I think he did the right thing by coming out as quickly as possible and stating the truth.
 
2009-02-09 04:14:58 PM  

Gonz: Second, when did A-Rod become a Guido? Lay off the fake-bake.


Since forever?
 
2009-02-09 04:15:53 PM  
So Selig, are you going to do what's right and ban him?

/Of course not, he only cheated and didn't gamble.
 
2009-02-09 04:16:11 PM  

SlothB77: i still don't understand why 'roids made bonds get so big, especially the size of his head, but ARod stays skinny?


I think there are different levels of juicing. Bonds seemed to be farking injecting whole chemistry sets in ways no other (or few other) players did.
 
2009-02-09 04:16:15 PM  

SlothB77: i still don't understand why 'roids made bonds get so big, especially the size of his head, but ARod stays skinny?


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2009-02-09 04:16:22 PM  
So what happens with his new contract? Can/should NY null the contract since A-Rod did not fully disclose everything? I mean, NY signed him based on the numbers he put up in TX. Now, those numbers might have been inflated a bit due to his illegal activities.

/ NY probably had an idea that he did illegal drugs but they will never admit to that. They will play ignorant/victim card.
 
2009-02-09 04:16:22 PM  
How about the contract he signed with Texas? Was it on steroids too?
 
2009-02-09 04:16:23 PM  
This is the first good reaction to roids allegation. Here's the thing, in a recent SportsNation poll they asked people if they would have taken PEDs if it meant a 250m contract. 64% said yes, and I think that is low.

Now only ~34% forgive A-Rod for admitting and apologizing for his use. There's some crossover hypocrisy here. And a bunch of us, including myself, said, "If any of these damn athletes would ever come clean and admit that the pressure got to them and they used, the public would forgive them for it." Just treat the Era separately in baseball like they do the "Dead Ball Era" or other eras during which stats varied wildly from the norm and get over it.

So I forgive A-Rod for using PEDs. But he's still a Yankee so I reserve the right to taunt him over steroids at a game. Just like I taunted Raffy Palmeiro about viagra.
 
2009-02-09 04:16:42 PM  

Gonz: +1, nicely played.

Also, three thoughts on this. First off, this is the right move, PR-wise. Admit the use, deny knowing what you took (knowing makes it look like you researched it), apologize, and move on.

Second, when did A-Rod become a Guido? Lay off the fake-bake.

Third, Peter Gammons is a smart journalist. That's why he's on the 20.


This, this and this. It was an extremely good move to come out and admit it, than do what Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds did by lying and/or denying it all.

Now, I'm really curious to see who the other names were on that list of 104 players who tested positive for steroids.
 
2009-02-09 04:17:15 PM  

tdpatriots12: Now only ~34% forgive A-Rod for admitting and apologizing for his use.


Didn't notice the "he didn't need forgiveness" option, so that part of my point is basically moot.
 
2009-02-09 04:17:21 PM  
I give him props for owning up, but I don't buy the "naive" argument.

Naive towards understanding the chance of his results from the infamous 2003 test perhaps being leaked.
 
2009-02-09 04:17:41 PM  
Good on him for telling the truth, ONLY if this really is the truth... we may never know if he is still lying. If he felt the pressure to use in '03, how did he not feel additional pressure the next season playing for the Yankees?
 
2009-02-09 04:18:30 PM  
hugram

YOU JUST POPPED MY SIMUL-POST CHERRY!

/it was good...for me.
 
2009-02-09 04:19:20 PM  

hugram: / NY probably had an idea that he did illegal drugs but they will never admit to that. They will play ignorant/victim card.


Why on earth do you assume the Yankees knew he was juicing?

A-Rod was supposed to be teh cleanest guy in town, who would save baseball from Bonds.

Either
a) The yankees didn't know
or
b) every team knew every big player was juicing
 
2009-02-09 04:20:37 PM  

Gonz: Also, three thoughts on this. First off, this is the right move, PR-wise. Admit the use, deny knowing what you took (knowing makes it look like you researched it), apologize, and move on.


Totally this. And this is important for baseball. Most people were resisting the notion that we would have to "get over" the fact that steroids were prominent for the past 20-30 years. It was so easy to hate Bonds for so many other reasons that people were all pinning their hopes on A-Rod to take back the most hallowed record in American sports. Unless you think this is the end of baseball, this is a good thing.

It IS the end of the glorification of baseball statistics. Especially home run statistics. I will miss that part a lot.

organizm: Are his records for those years tarnished? Yes.


:sniff:
 
2009-02-09 04:21:34 PM  

Killer Cars: I give him props for owning up, but I don't buy the "naive" argument.

Naive towards understanding the chance of his results from the infamous 2003 test perhaps being leaked.


I think naive meant "I'd do anything to get ahead", I didn't think I would become this famous back then, and I'm going to say as little as I can without getting anyone in trouble.

/He came close a couple of times.
 
2009-02-09 04:21:43 PM  

gotons: So Selig, are you going to do what's right and ban him?

/Of course not, he only cheated and didn't gamble.


The union would file a grievance. He didn't violate the steroids policy MLB had at the time. Selig could throw a "for the good of the game" suspension that is within his right as Commissioner, but the Union would never let it stand, and an arbitrator would rule in the Union's favor. Not going to happen.
 
2009-02-09 04:22:17 PM  
"To be quite honest, I don't know exactly what substance I was guilty of using," Rodriguez said.

/happens to me all the time
 
2009-02-09 04:23:50 PM  
Here's my question. During my high school and college years ('97-'05) almost everyone I knew who played football or was into weightlifting and strength training was on steroids or HGH at some point. I live in some shiatty New York City suburb and this shiat was widespread. I'm talking maybe 75% to 85% of people I knew who played sports or went to the gym frequently.

Is this just because I live in New Jersey, or this is as common everywhere else in the country. I mean, for me, when I hear that a pro athlete gets caught taking steroids I'm completely unsurprised. I expect that in order to compete at that level, its almost required. I mean, our high school football coach took our entire team (I didn't play football) to a local chiropractor for regular steroid shots. Thats high school. And we SUCKED. I mean, I can't imagine that there's one single football player in the NFL who hasn't done steroids.

And to answer someone's earlier question about A-Rod being skinny, there are different steroids that do different things, not all make you just big. Some lean you down, and some just increase athletic performance.
 
2009-02-09 04:24:18 PM  

ctobio: gotons: So Selig, are you going to do what's right and ban him?

/Of course not, he only cheated and didn't gamble.

The union would file a grievance. He didn't violate the steroids policy MLB had at the time. Selig could throw a "for the good of the game" suspension that is within his right as Commissioner, but the Union would never let it stand, and an arbitrator would rule in the Union's favor. Not going to happen.


I realise that, I was just trying to show the idiocy of the whole Pete Rose shenanigans.

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2009-02-09 04:24:45 PM  

nyihockey: If he felt the pressure to use in '03, how did he not feel additional pressure the next season playing for the Yankees?


The only thing that keeps my faith alive here is that penalties started ramping up in '05, and the threat of public humiliation may have scared him away (as would the threat of Jeter leaving him). Maybe he did it in '04 too. I'll get over it. He's being manipulated by PR folks. All of baseball's stars are being fed lines by PR folks right now. I love baseball. I'll get over it.

/a Derek Jeter steroids reveal would be a much bigger deal
 
2009-02-09 04:25:21 PM  

nyihockey: Good on him for telling the truth, ONLY if this really is the truth... we may never know if he is still lying. If he felt the pressure to use in '03, how did he not feel additional pressure the next season playing for the Yankees?


I may be really wrong, but weren't roids banned in the '04 year?
 
2009-02-09 04:26:04 PM  

down4afall: I think naive meant "I'd do anything to get ahead", I didn't think I would become this famous back then, and I'm going to say as little as I can without getting anyone in trouble.


I'm sure that's what he was trying to imply as well, but by the time he signed "the big contract" he referred to, he was quite the household name by then.

Maybe he has tic-tacs for balls now, and his naivety was about the health risks.
 
2009-02-09 04:26:23 PM  

tdpatriots12: This is the first good reaction to roids allegation. Here's the thing, in a recent SportsNation poll they asked people if they would have taken PEDs if it meant a 250m contract. 64% said yes, and I think that is low.

Now only ~34% forgive A-Rod for admitting and apologizing for his use. There's some crossover hypocrisy here. And a bunch of us, including myself, said, "If any of these damn athletes would ever come clean and admit that the pressure got to them and they used, the public would forgive them for it." Just treat the Era separately in baseball like they do the "Dead Ball Era" or other eras during which stats varied wildly from the norm and get over it.

So I forgive A-Rod for using PEDs. But he's still a Yankee so I reserve the right to taunt him over steroids at a game. Just like I taunted Raffy Palmeiro about viagra.


If A-Rod truly only used for three years (and didn't use that heavily) then I can forgive him. I'd feel the same way for any player who did it and made a real apology... especially if it was during the kind of steroid culture baseball had.

That said... who knows if he has really stopped?

I thikn I can tend to believe him (and most of these other players) solely because the testing and punishments totally changed in the mid-00s.
 
2009-02-09 04:28:00 PM  

ctobio: The union would file a grievance. He didn't violate the steroids policy MLB had at the time.


Actually, he did. If the crawl on the MLB Network yesterday was accurate, steroids have been banned in baseball since 1991. It was unenforced, though, with no testing and no penalties.

Surprised me, since I was always one of those people who thought that it wasn't fair to punish players for something they did when the rule didn't exist.
 
2009-02-09 04:28:47 PM  

organizm: Is this just because I live in New Jersey, or this is as common everywhere else in the country.


Your proximity to a major metropolis made it more likely that you would secure the stuff, but if you are an elite athlete, someone will find you and talk you into it.

I mean, I can't imagine that there's one single football player in the NFL who hasn't done steroids.

You're right. They've all done it. But the culture of the NFL is such that nobody cares. Nobody cares which faceless lineman or fullback (or even star running back or quarterback) has done steroids because they can easily be replaced by another warm body. It's the nature of the NFL. It isn't like that in MLB or NBA (or the NHL, to a large extent).

The NFL is not about the players. The NFL is about an institution. MLB is similar, but the personalities are so much bigger.
 
2009-02-09 04:29:13 PM  
I don't understand why there is such a big double standard when it comes to baseball. People in the NFL get busted for this crap all the time and I don't hear anyone getting all butt-hurt about it.

Hell, Shawn Merriman got suspended for a quarter of the season and nobody is talking about erasing his sack numbers or anything stupid like that.

Don't get me wrong, I hate A-Rod and the Yankees as much as the next guy, but I don't think his numbers should be thrown out or anything. Just like Bob Gibson's numbers were helped by the mountainous pitcher's mound of he era and Babe Ruth's numbers were helped by not playing against the best players of his era, I see A-Rod's steroid use and the numbers that resulted - much like Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, Palmero etc. - as a function of the era they played in.

So go ahead and bring a giant cardboard needle to the ballpark when the Yankees come to town but let's stop all the stupidness about what stats are valid or not because a) no era was "pure" and b) it's just a farkin game.
 
2009-02-09 04:29:19 PM  
Anyone else get that someone in MLB released confidential results of a supposedly anonymous test taken when this wasn't against regulations and that these records were supposedly destroyed long ago? This kind of sounds like it might be an offense in and or itself.
 
2009-02-09 04:29:19 PM  
heh....9 more years of this guy
 
2009-02-09 04:29:21 PM  
So A Rod did steroids for only three years, years ago. But then he suddenly stopped--for no reason, other than out of the goodness of his heart or something--and yet his production didn't decline, nor did he get any noticeably smaller.

But sure, Alex, you stopped years ago.
 
2009-02-09 04:29:25 PM  

cicdle: I may be really wrong, but weren't roids banned in the '04 year?


Baseball actually banned them in 1992.. they just didn't, you know, bother to test and all.
 
2009-02-09 04:30:11 PM  

priestrape: I'll give the douchebag credit. I would've bet my house on him using the "I tried steroids once or twice, because I was trying to recover from an injury, but I didn't like it" defense. The Pettitte special, as we call it.

That said, why would you believe a word that comes out of his mouth at this point?


Leaving this be only really taints on year... officially. By coming out and saying this he's actually gone and tainted a healthy chunk of his career. By doing this, he just shut the door on going to the Hall of Fame.
 
2009-02-09 04:30:13 PM  

Bill Frist: Gonz: Second, when did A-Rod become a Guido? Lay off the fake-bake.

Since forever?


Shows how much I follow the Yankees.

And I don't think his records are going to be as tarnished as we first think. Sure, he was juicing, but so were the pitchers he was facing. And I think that entire 2001 Texas Rangers team was 'roided. A-Rod, Palmeiro, Caminiti... Ruben Sierra went from one HR and OPS+ of .283 in 2000 to 23 HR and an OPS+ of .561 in 2001.

I think Pudge was a juicer as well.
 
2009-02-09 04:30:15 PM  

Bill Frist: That said... who knows if he has really stopped?


I'm one of the few people I know who's never used steroids, so I'm not sure here, but I'm under the impression that you don't need to constantly be doing them to get the size and strength you need. Its almost like an extra boost, so once you get to the size and strength you want, you can go off of them and keep that size and strength, as long as you keep up with your training.

I might be wrong though.
 
2009-02-09 04:30:26 PM  
Crap, Conseco is right again.
 
2009-02-09 04:30:46 PM  

cicdle: I may be really wrong, but weren't roids banned in the '04 year?


'05 was when the penalties started coming (pops). Thanks, Baseball Almanac.

/prefers Baseball Reference
 
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