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(Pravda)   The �Correct� Way of Stalin�s Terror   (english.pravda.ru) divider line 95
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2003-01-28 07:08:50 AM
boobies i love
 
2003-01-28 07:16:01 AM
Hold on just a sec here, did the submitter just call Stalin a hero?
 
2003-01-28 07:16:39 AM
Is that some sort of throwaway f.p. thing? .. or is it a scathing political statement of sublime irony?
 
2003-01-28 07:17:56 AM
Ishkur - I don't think so.
 
2003-01-28 07:18:54 AM
No, the hero was Marshal Blucher. (Not Prussia's Blucher, either, a Russian Marshal Blucher)

Read the damn article.
 
2003-01-28 07:25:14 AM
I was prepared for an article sympathetic to Stalin- after all Pravda is a former Soviet propoganda rag. But wasn't that at all.

I don't understand Russians who view Stalin or any communist as a hero or someone to look up to. These nutcakes condemn Hitler and worship Stalin at the same time. That's about as weird and hypocritical as one can get.
 
2003-01-28 07:27:40 AM
Why bother learning from History when we can just turn on CNN an watch G W Bush repeat it.
 
2003-01-28 07:30:02 AM
Why bother say anything on topic, when you can flame Bush.

Hey, flaming Bush? Careful, could be self-realizing!

Not that I am Pro - Bush or anything, but statements like that are too damn easy.

Anyway... interesting read.
 
2003-01-28 07:33:20 AM
Sometimes things are easy to say because they are easy to see happening.
 
2003-01-28 07:40:29 AM
Word, Arch Stanton! Word.

I swear, when I learned about Bush incarcerating tens of thousands of Arab-Americans in interment camps in the wake of 9/11, it made me more angry than I'd been since the time I heard about Bush having half a million intellectuals executed for promulgating ideas contrary to those of The Party.
 
2003-01-28 07:42:58 AM
Every day it hurts to know that you are gone. I loved you, Stalin. We loved you.
 
2003-01-28 07:47:52 AM
I like to say "Boobies,"

Does that mean they are easy to see happening?
 
2003-01-28 07:50:25 AM
is Marshall any relation to Frau Blucher? (horses upset, making noise in backround)
 
2003-01-28 07:55:23 AM
A.N.S.W.E.R loves you and all your proteges like Cuba and North Korea
 
2003-01-28 07:56:58 AM
Scrotar: You forgot all the government "dissent-stiflers" who went around preventing academics, journalists and Hollywood actors, preventing them from disagreeing with The Party
 
2003-01-28 08:03:23 AM
Chrisfa, Stalin was a mass murderer, want to tell me why this is relevant to the present war?

Oh I see, its the only argument you have:

1. millions oppose the war
2. A tiny minority of them are in stalinist orgnisations
3. Anyone who opposes the war therfore retrospectivly agrees with the purges in the 1930's
 
2003-01-28 08:03:44 AM
Chrisifa - So I did.

Is there no end to GWB's crimes?
 
2003-01-28 08:06:44 AM
Harmonia made a funny.
 
2003-01-28 08:09:05 AM
Harmonia - Thanks to the power of fark, I reexamined my opinion of the long anticipated war on Iraq II.

However, it wasn't the opinions of the people who mindlessly assert that GWB is some sort of reverse panacea, the root of all the evils of the world, which encouraged me to think about it.

/blargh. Feel free to post that Ted Rall cartoon which criticizes people who've flopped on the war on Iraq.
 
2003-01-28 08:11:41 AM
I dont ever argue that old dubya is the cause of all evil in the world, after all he is merely a plausible frontman.

Plenty of countries do terrible things, no argument from me there.

Dont have that cartoon, you got a link?
 
2003-01-28 08:14:21 AM
Harmonia - Here ya go:

 
2003-01-28 08:19:19 AM
The power of fark has yet to convince me not to hate everfarking Ted Rall, of course.
 
2003-01-28 08:21:06 AM
Scrotar: that's a surprisingly honest cartoon from Teddy

Harmonia: I wasn't talking about Stalin, I was just trying to bring attention to the FEMA free-thinker camps in Alaska, Idaho and....no....help... THE GOVERNMENT IS HERE....ARHGHGHG THIS IS DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD!
 
2003-01-28 08:22:30 AM
Ackbar and Jeff were funnier when they still wore the fezzes.

Ok, back to work and the occasional irrelevant comment.
 
2003-01-28 08:25:25 AM
LTG - hilarious
 
2003-01-28 08:27:08 AM
This wasn't at all the "How to kill Ukranians for self-glorification" article I was expecting.
 
2003-01-28 08:28:44 AM
Scotar, Why do you hate America?
 
2003-01-28 08:31:12 AM
"1. millions oppose the war"-Harmonia

Among your "millions" don't forget to include Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hezbola, the PLO, ANSWER, the Republican Guard, and well I don't think I need to go on anymore about the oppostition to the war that is not actually happening yet. Maybe you can see a connection?
 
2003-01-28 08:33:49 AM
Doesn't this article deserve the "Assinine" tag?
 
2003-01-28 08:35:25 AM
GratefulDead - "Well, I'll tell ya, but first you gotta promise not to say I told you so."

"I never say that, and I don't like people who do."

"Minke was robbin' me right along with the Schmarter(sic)."

"I told you so."
 
2003-01-28 08:39:29 AM
a) Geroge W Bush likes dogs
b) Hitler likes dogs
therfore : Godwins law is invoked.

Anyway...

Liked the cartoon Scrotar posted, nice example of idiots one extream or the other mentality.

Stalin was a jumped up thug who spent his early days robbing banks. Lenin was okay I guess though.
 
2003-01-28 08:54:35 AM
 
2003-01-28 09:00:45 AM
"Among your "millions" don't forget to include Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hezbola, the PLO, ANSWER, the Republican Guard"

And of course the vast majority of the populations of Britain, France , Germany, and increasingly America.

So what was your point again?
 
2003-01-28 09:06:12 AM
And of course the vast majority of the populations of Britain, France , Germany, and increasingly America.

Two of those countries don't even count since it's not thier asses on the line here.
 
OBB
2003-01-28 09:14:42 AM
You gotta love how some of the formerly oppressed working class got good technical educations under Stalin. The Soviet Union can have its own Red Experts!


All they had to do was kill or imprison all the bourgeois experts, and keep the majority of workers down...
 
2003-01-28 09:16:02 AM
Only one country counts then Sqee?
 
2003-01-28 09:19:36 AM
Sqee
"Two of those countries don't even count since it's not thier asses on the line here."

Which two?
France
Germany (amongst others including France, Italy, Canada and the UK)

Get back to watching CNN kiddie.
 
2003-01-28 09:21:31 AM
Everyone! Everyone!
Have we forgotten that only ONE country's opinion REALLY counts here...

That's right, I'm talking about ICELAND!

As I learned recently on Fark, we need to ask ourselves, "What would Iceland do?"
 
2003-01-28 09:25:24 AM
Lewis
"As I learned recently on Fark, we need to ask ourselves, 'What would Iceland do?'"

Steal our farking cod thats what!

[hops into a navy ship and sails off to ram some Icelandic fishing vessels]

/obscure history
 
2003-01-28 09:33:51 AM
Harmonia Only one country counts then Sqee? Can't count can you? I said two of those four countries you listed didn't count, this would imply two of them do count. Jackass.

Blumf Yes France and Germany don't count, what's your point? Oh and I don't know where you get off calling me 'kiddie' and I certainly don't understand why watching CNN would now be considered an insult.
 
2003-01-28 09:40:22 AM
Sqee
"Blumf Yes France and Germany don't count, what's your point?"

My point being, they are in just as much danger from islamic extremists as the UK and US. So thier ass is on the line, and sensibly they would prefer a proper solution to this problem, not a John Wayne solution which the sequel is providing along with his faithful poodle.

"Oh and I don't know where you get off calling me 'kiddie' and I certainly don't understand why watching CNN would now be considered an insult."

The 'kiddie' part was a general reference to your immature view of the world.

I'll leave you in bliss on the CNN comment.
 
2003-01-28 09:42:14 AM
Mashkovstev said that "it served them right."

Well, consider me schooled...
 
2003-01-28 09:42:14 AM
Thats a nice concept sqee, if anyone disagrees with you just say that they "dont count"

You were not involved with Dubyas election campaign were you?
 
2003-01-28 09:44:35 AM
Everyone counts in a world war. Even Iceland, who may or may not choose to use their weapons of mass Bjork.
 
2003-01-28 09:49:02 AM
Blumf Germany and France in just as much danger? Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. France is usually on the side of groups like HAMAS and if I'm not mistaken were te ones who sold the nuclear reactor to Iraq in the 80's. Germany, I don't see why islamic extremists would hate them, they havn't done much in the middle east. Not only that but the neo-nazi groups in Germany do have alliances with palastinian terror groups.

As for an 'immature' world view, I would like to point you to my profile, which clearly shows I'm a Texan and therefore a warmonger.
 
2003-01-28 09:59:12 AM
Sqee
"Blumf Germany and France in just as much danger? Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. France is usually on the side of groups like HAMAS and if I'm not mistaken were te ones who sold the nuclear reactor to Iraq in the 80's."

France has had a problem with Algerian terorists for years. These Algerians are quite close to al-quida these days, effectivly working togeather.

As for France selling a reactor to Iraq. Well the US and UK sold a nice collection of WMD(tm)(r) to Iraq not just in the 80's but in the 90's too, not to mention training of troops etc. etc. (I won't bother with refences to North Korea at the moment)

"Germany, I don't see why islamic extremists would hate them, they havn't done much in the middle east. Not only that but the neo-nazi groups in Germany do have alliances with palastinian terror groups."

This is a Jew thing right? And of course the Neo-Nazi's are the ruling party of Germany right now, yep yep yep. Just like the KKK run the senate in the US.

"As for an 'immature' world view, I would like to point you to my profile, which clearly shows I'm a Texan and therefore a warmonger."

Mmmm, intresting, you like Pink Floyd? Use the lyics from the Wall. Have you heard Roger Water's 'Amused to Death' album perchance?
 
2003-01-28 09:59:22 AM
Harmonia Hmm don't believe I said if they disagree. Once agian you attempt to make n arguement on things that aren't there. Listen, do you honestly believe that even if we had found piles of weapons that the Iraqis intented to use that France and Germany would send troops? I'm very doubtful they would. They sent troops to afghanistan, I'm not sure thier meager military budget would allow for a large scale depolyment. And no I was not involved in his campagin but I did vote for him as I couldn't stand Gore.
 
2003-01-28 10:09:33 AM
Wasnt this about Stalin awile ago?
But I'll bite, I would love a Kurdistan. I would completely support a military action that overthrew Saddam and allowed the Kurds their own country. Only problem is that even though we CAN do this Turkey says no Kurdistan, so the war continues with the PKK fighting a hopeless war against 2 countries with no place to call home.

Oh and one more thing, we should have also steped in before Saddam killed off almost the entire race of marsh arabs. THeir culture cannot be replaced.

OK back to the topic: Stalin was an asshat.
 
2003-01-28 10:12:20 AM
Blumf We train mny countries troops but we obviously did a poor job with Iraq as they put up a horrible defense during the first war. I'm not even going to argue the 'WMD' thing because you say patato and I say patato. . .(you know what I mean).

It doesn't matter if the neo-nazis are the ruling party. Are the palastian terrorist going to bomb the home of thier biggest european allies? Oh and wasn't the KKK just running the senate? (Trent Lott)

I am no big Pink Floyd fan. Everyone listens to or watches The Wall at some point because of stoner friends. You might as well as me if I have read the complete works of Lewis Carroll.
 
2003-01-28 10:13:32 AM
Hmm I no speak english good. I misspelled potato, twice!
 
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