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2009-02-09 08:20:17 AM
Yep it's all over but the crying. Two weeks and the guy is a complete and total failure.

The next eight years are going to make me really hate the neocon dead-enders.
 
2009-02-09 08:23:01 AM
Yeah, when the president of the United States is doing his best Chicken Little impression by running around yelling that the sky is falling, we're pretty much farked.
 
2009-02-09 08:54:54 AM
BillCo: Yeah, when the president of the United States is doing his best Chicken Little impression by running around yelling that the sky is falling, we're pretty much farked.

Better to maintain the idea that all the problems are over and that from here on out it's all going to be fine, regardless of all evidence to the contrary ?

Perhaps some pithy phrase could be used to sum this up - "mission accomplished" ?
 
2009-02-09 09:03:13 AM
Not bad. His "leave Sarah Palin alone" articles were better to dance to, but this one has a nice beat. He probably only wrote it a few weeks ago; it still has a somewhat fresh scent.
 
2009-02-09 09:05:24 AM
FarkinNortherner

Perhaps some pithy phrase could be used to sum this up - "mission accomplished" ?

I suppose he could try it. "I won" doesn't seem to be getting him very far.
 
2009-02-09 09:19:02 AM
I feel dumber for having read that.
 
2009-02-09 09:20:32 AM
No need to worry. This is the United States of America. We will make money the old fashioned way. We'll print it.

Whatever happened to the great Democrat words of hope? "Nothing to fear but fear itself." "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

Now, its "Pass this monstrosity or else!"

Democrats are always cutest when they are newly elected. The ideals come forth. Their faces glow with hope. And then, just as they can't seem to glow with anymore hope and idealism...someone, usually reality, smacks their smirking smarter than thou smiles right off their faces with a frying pan to the noggin.
 
2009-02-09 09:27:22 AM
I_C_Weener:

Yeah, because the Repukes did such a stellar job with their "mandate"

/I got political capital. I intend to spend it.
//You spent it alright. Bwahahahahaha

.
 
2009-02-09 09:28:26 AM
The historic young President with the political wind at his back has quickly turned testy toward those who disagree with him. Despite promises to the contrary, he's been so rigid that the defeated Republicans are relevant again.

That and the fact that American voters seem to have the short term memory of a ferret on crack.
 
2009-02-09 09:30:45 AM
You people are cute when your Saviour flops....

I hope you're all stocking up on food and ammo.
 
2009-02-09 09:31:36 AM
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: I_C_Weener:

Yeah, because the Repukes did such a stellar job with their "mandate"

/I got political capital. I intend to spend it.
//You spent it alright. Bwahahahahaha

.


What goes around comes around. And its usually a bit more than we can bear when it swings back to bite us in the ass. And Obama just bit your ass.
 
2009-02-09 09:35:37 AM
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: /I got political capital. I intend to spend it.
//You spent it alright. Bwahahahahaha


Also...b-b-b-b-b-but Bush... :(
 
2009-02-09 09:53:12 AM
the only thing flopping so far is the Republicans whining they were cut out of the process.

GOOD

Six years of Miserable Failure can't be fixed in 2 weeks, much as it would be awsome if they could.
 
2009-02-09 09:54:39 AM
friendinpa: FarkinNortherner

Perhaps some pithy phrase could be used to sum this up - "mission accomplished" ?

I suppose he could try it. "I won" doesn't seem to be getting him very far.


You're forgetting that "I won" is a response to "we're not going to go along with you on anything." Basically, he started his first days with "we're reaching out, we want to hear all points of view, we'd like everyone to be happy with the solution" and he was met with "fark you, we won't be happy with anything you do because you're a Democrat!" So, now it's "well, we don't really need your support, I won motherfarkers, get on board or be prepared for us to remind the public you stonewalled us when our solution works."
 
2009-02-09 09:55:57 AM
real shaman: You people are cute when your Saviour flops....

I hope you're all stocking up on food and ammo.


Stocking up on food and ammo? What world do you live in? Fallout 3 is just a video game, dude.
 
2009-02-09 10:02:23 AM
Seems like the Republican long-term strategy is

1. Govern poorly and cause many terrible problems
2. Lose elections as a result
3. Blame Democrats for not solving the Republican-made problems.
4. Win elections?

I would put 5. Profit in there, but they seem to profit at each step of the cycle.
 
2009-02-09 10:07:35 AM
WaltzingMathilda: Stocking up on food and ammo? What world do you live in? Fallout 3 is just a video game, dude.

A world where debasement of the currency is a real possibility. Food and ammo both have value as practical items and as barter value.
 
2009-02-09 10:08:49 AM
FarkinNortherner: BillCo: Yeah, when the president of the United States is doing his best Chicken Little impression by running around yelling that the sky is falling, we're pretty much farked.

Better to maintain the idea that all the problems are over and that from here on out it's all going to be fine, regardless of all evidence to the contrary ?

Perhaps some pithy phrase could be used to sum this up - "mission accomplished" ?


Excuse me. I forgot that The Messiah can do no wrong.

Whatever happened to the concept of acting "Presidential".

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Democrat)

"The sky is falling, THE SKY IS FALLING". - Barack Husein Obama (Fearmonger)
 
2009-02-09 10:12:15 AM
BillCo: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Democrat)

"Values have shrunken to fantastic levels; taxes have risen; our ability to pay has fallen; government of all kinds is faced by serious curtailment of income; the means of exchange are frozen in the currents of trade; the withered leaves of industrial enterprise lie on every side; farmers find no markets for their produce; the savings of many years in thousands of families are gone."
 
2009-02-09 10:15:58 AM
I say again - bipartisanship only works if both parties are non-insane.

This is what Obama should do for everything - go on TV, explain his position, explain the GOP opposition, and simply let people decide who they agree with. Most of the time Obama will win the support of the people because (1) he's right more often and (2) he's a hell of a lot more charismatic and persuasive than John Boehner and Mitch McConnell. Then he has to invite the GOP for open discussion - and he can ram the bill through. As long as Obama is clear and open with the people he will not be accused (credibly) of playing politics. The problem in the first two weeks of this bill is that Obama delegated the task of selling it to Pelosi and Reid, people with less charisma than a wet scrotum.

Obama - you are popular and likeable for a reason. Put it to use.
 
2009-02-09 10:22:16 AM
Crosshair: WaltzingMathilda: Stocking up on food and ammo? What world do you live in? Fallout 3 is just a video game, dude.

A world where debasement of the currency is a real possibility. Food and ammo both have value as practical items and as barter value.


I think that's rather dramatic though. I feel it's reasonable to assume that we haven't come anywhere close to that situation if we didn't get there in 1929.
 
2009-02-09 10:25:02 AM
Here's my question, and I genuinely don't know the answer. If we are fighting three big problems (lack of demand in the market, deflation, and a rising debt) wouldn't inflation via printing money actually be a good thing? It would sort of solve all of those problems at what seems to be a pretty low cost. I understand we need to be wary of hyper-inflation, but what's the problem with just printing a little bit more?

Honest question, not trying to be trollish or anything.
 
2009-02-09 10:25:33 AM
I_C_Weener:

And Obama just bit your ass.

LOL I doubt it.

Besides, he'd have to go back in time and begin farking up in 1970 to come close to the farking up the Repukes have done. And you might as well get used to B-b-but Bush. He is, after all, the worst president in history.

:)

.
 
2009-02-09 10:27:36 AM
DamnYankees: Here's my question, and I genuinely don't know the answer. If we are fighting three big problems (lack of demand in the market, deflation, and a rising debt) wouldn't inflation via printing money actually be a good thing? It would sort of solve all of those problems at what seems to be a pretty low cost. I understand we need to be wary of hyper-inflation, but what's the problem with just printing a little bit more?

Honest question, not trying to be trollish or anything.


Inflation to stave off deflation is a good thing, yes.
 
2009-02-09 10:29:08 AM
BillCo: FarkinNortherner: BillCo: Yeah, when the president of the United States is doing his best Chicken Little impression by running around yelling that the sky is falling, we're pretty much farked.

Better to maintain the idea that all the problems are over and that from here on out it's all going to be fine, regardless of all evidence to the contrary ?

Perhaps some pithy phrase could be used to sum this up - "mission accomplished" ?

Excuse me. I forgot that The Messiah can do no wrong.

Whatever happened to the concept of acting "Presidential".

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Democrat)

"The sky is falling, THE SKY IS FALLING". - Barack Husein Obama (Fearmonger)


Those Democratic fearmongerers!!! Rarr!!!

Oops: How about just admitting they all need to work together and do something right? (new window)
 
2009-02-09 10:29:46 AM
WaltzingMathilda: I think that's rather dramatic though. I feel it's reasonable to assume that we haven't come anywhere close to that situation if we didn't get there in 1929.

That's because we had the gold standard preventing the government from recklessly printing money.

Weimar Germany on the other hand......
 
2009-02-09 10:32:20 AM
Crosshair: WaltzingMathilda: I think that's rather dramatic though. I feel it's reasonable to assume that we haven't come anywhere close to that situation if we didn't get there in 1929.

That's because we had the gold standard preventing the government from recklessly printing money.

Weimar Germany on the other hand......


Most modern economists think the gold standard is one of the main reasons the depression even happened. Once countries got off the gold standard they managed to get better because countries were free to do stuff like stimulus. One quick example:

Link (new window)
 
2009-02-09 10:33:52 AM
Crosshair: WaltzingMathilda: I think that's rather dramatic though. I feel it's reasonable to assume that we haven't come anywhere close to that situation if we didn't get there in 1929.

That's because we had the gold standard preventing the government from recklessly printing money.

Weimar Germany on the other hand......


Yes, but the gold standard's inherent problems show themselves in such crises ... you don't think the depression wouldn't have been shorter without the gold standard? Transactions based on a shiny piece of metal that provides no real practical value when people are starving? I would argue that the depression taught us to move away from the gold standard, not run toward it.
 
2009-02-09 10:33:59 AM
"This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself-nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days."

"More important, a host of unemployed citizens face the grim problem of existence, and an equally great number toil with little return. Only a foolish optimist can deny the dark realities of the moment."

"The money changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of the restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit." - FDR, 1932

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nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. Sounds like the stonewalling of the Republicans in Congress. "OMG, the banks need money!!!! Right now!!" "WHAT!? You want to pump money into the public sector?!! Right now?!!! Oh no!!!"

understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory The media isn;t helping these days. We have been dumbed down to where we accept what the news tells us to think. If they tell us the president is doing a great job, then he is; if not, then he isn't. "Please tell me what to think today." "What? Relying more on domestic goods and services is protectionism?? Health care to ensure everyone is able to work is socialist?? Laissez-faire is the best economic model?? Hang on a sec...the fries are done..."

//end diatribe
 
2009-02-09 10:34:35 AM
WaltzingMathilda: Yes, but the gold standard's inherent problems show themselves in such crises ... you don't think the depression wouldn't have been shorter without the gold standard? Transactions based on a shiny piece of metal that provides no real practical value when people are starving? I would argue that the depression taught us to move away from the gold standard, not run toward it.

Exactly right. The gold standard left governments completely impotent to do anything.
 
2009-02-09 10:44:37 AM
DamnYankees: Most modern economists think the gold standard is one of the main reasons the depression even happened. Once countries got off the gold standard they managed to get better because countries were free to do stuff like stimulus.

You mean Keynesian economists believe that. Keynesianisim is a dead horse, a failure that only a politician could look to for inspiration.

You "example" notes that the Gold standard was just one part of a larger problem problem. It also notes that the GOVERNMENT POLICIES enacted during that time also were contributing factors.

It is also important to note that the author of that book subscribes to Keynesian theory.

DamnYankees: Exactly right. The gold standard left governments completely impotent to do anything.

Oh they could do plenty. Raise taxes, enact price controls, deficit spending, protectionist tariffs. Everything except print money.
 
2009-02-09 10:45:34 AM
"We won the election. It [tax cut] is our due."

-Dick Cheney
 
2009-02-09 10:46:15 AM
Bucky Katt: "We won the election. It [tax cut] is our due."

-Dick Cheney


B-b-b-but....
 
2009-02-09 10:46:15 AM
Crosshair: You mean Keynesian economists believe that. Keynesianisim is a dead horse, a failure that only a politician could look to for inspiration.

When was Keynes proven wrong?

Crosshair: It is also important to note that the author of that book subscribes to Keynesian theory.

That's why I said "most economist" - because most economists subscribe to Keynesian theory. Sort of like how most doctors subscribe to the Germ Theory of Disease.
 
2009-02-09 10:49:32 AM
Crosshair: Raise taxes, enact price controls, deficit spending, protectionist tariffs.

How many of these things have we learned not to do? And where would the raised tax revenue come from when no one is spending or earning? What good would price controls have done when money was under mattresses? And protectionist tarrifs ... well that's for a whole different thread, but it's bad ... really bad, unless you like trade wars.

Keynesian economics is far from dead, but that doesn't change that gold loses a lot of value in bad economic times and hinders the governments ability to react to shocks to the economy.
 
2009-02-09 10:49:50 AM
It's a mental recession. It's all in your heads. You whiners.
 
2009-02-09 10:50:38 AM
I_C_Weener: Bucky Katt: "We won the election. It [tax cut] is our due."

-Dick Cheney

B-b-b-but....


You're right. After a couple of weeks the previous administration is no longer relevant. Silly me.
 
2009-02-09 10:52:25 AM
Bucky Katt: I_C_Weener: Bucky Katt: "We won the election. It [tax cut] is our due."

-Dick Cheney

B-b-b-but....

You're right. After a couple of weeks the previous administration is no longer relevant. Silly me.


My favorite part about people who try to call someone out for a "but but Bush" is that it's usually preceded by them saying "that's not change, it's business as usual." How are you supposed to defend Change without a "but but Bush" response? Silly Republicans.
 
2009-02-09 10:52:56 AM
I_C_Weener: No need to worry. This is the United States of America. We will make money the old fashioned way. We'll print it.

Whatever happened to the great Democrat words of hope? "Nothing to fear but fear itself." "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

Now, its "Pass this monstrosity or else!"

Democrats are always cutest when they are newly elected. The ideals come forth. Their faces glow with hope. And then, just as they can't seem to glow with anymore hope and idealism...someone, usually reality, smacks their smirking smarter than thou smiles right off their faces with a frying pan to the noggin.


but but but FDR
 
2009-02-09 10:53:49 AM
DamnYankees: When was Keynes proven wrong?

He wasn't. It's just that most conservatives don't want tax dollars going to anything but the Dep't of Defense, so they make up stuff to discredit economic theories that are pretty much widely regarded as successful.
 
2009-02-09 10:54:19 AM
Bucky Katt: but but but FDR

At least he had a positive message...if misguided. Bad news is best delivered with a smile, not panic.
 
2009-02-09 10:54:59 AM
WaltzingMathilda: DamnYankees: When was Keynes proven wrong?

He wasn't. It's just that most conservatives don't want tax dollars going to anything but the Dep't of Defense, so they make up stuff to discredit economic theories that are pretty much widely regarded as successful.


I still don't understand how when a corporation invests its considered growth, but when a government invests its not. The difference, economically, continues to elude me.
 
2009-02-09 10:56:57 AM
I_C_Weener: Whatever happened to the great Democrat words of hope? "Nothing to fear but fear itself." "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

Now, its "Pass this monstrosity or else!"


How is that different from "If we pass this, it's economic Armageddon!!!" At the end of the day, one side is acknowledging that we already have an economic crisis which needs a response, and the other side is living in a world where somehow the crisis is yet to come, despite an average job loss of 500,000 per month since September 2008. This is why they lost ... they refuse to address reality and only know how to attack opposing policy. They still haven't learned. Maybe one more electoral smackdown will do it.
 
2009-02-09 10:59:13 AM
I_C_Weener: Bad news is best delivered with a smile, not panic.

Bad news mam, your mom died, but you just saved a ton of money on your car insurance!
 
2009-02-09 10:59:16 AM
WaltzingMathilda: I_C_Weener: Whatever happened to the great Democrat words of hope? "Nothing to fear but fear itself." "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

Now, its "Pass this monstrosity or else!"

How is that different from "If we pass this, it's economic Armageddon!!!" At the end of the day, one side is acknowledging that we already have an economic crisis which needs a response, and the other side is living in a world where somehow the crisis is yet to come, despite an average job loss of 500,000 per month since September 2008. This is why they lost ... they refuse to address reality and only know how to attack opposing policy. They still haven't learned. Maybe one more electoral smackdown will do it.


armageddon is pure optimism!
 
2009-02-09 11:01:55 AM
Ryan2065: I_C_Weener: Bad news is best delivered with a smile, not panic.

Bad news mam, your mom died, but you just saved a ton of money on your car insurance!


A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. But adding venegar to the medicine doesn't help much. Especially when you've got Cancer and the Doc wants to give you vinegar laced sudafed to cure you.
 
2009-02-09 11:02:35 AM
DamnYankees: WaltzingMathilda: DamnYankees: When was Keynes proven wrong?

He wasn't. It's just that most conservatives don't want tax dollars going to anything but the Dep't of Defense, so they make up stuff to discredit economic theories that are pretty much widely regarded as successful.

I still don't understand how when a corporation invests its considered growth, but when a government invests its not. The difference, economically, continues to elude me.


Well, we're talking about people who think a loan = bailout, so I think we're trying really hard to understand something that more than likely has a very simple answer.
 
2009-02-09 11:07:35 AM
America will be saying, "We screwed up."
 
2009-02-09 11:07:47 AM
What mandate?

People that use that term really have no idea what it means.
 
2009-02-09 11:09:27 AM
I_C_Weener: A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. But adding venegar to the medicine doesn't help much. Especially when you've got Cancer and the Doc wants to give you vinegar laced sudafed to cure you.

Did you just try to apply Mary Poppins logic to presidential policy?
 
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