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(NLADA)   Constitution provides not only the right to counsel, but "counsel's effective assistance." Lawyers appeal requirement to stay awake during trials   ( divider line
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3431 clicks; posted to Main » on 27 Jan 2003 at 12:31 PM (14 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2003-01-27 11:57:15 AM  
Never trust a lawyer that is not billing you for thousands of dollars. Even then, you are likely not his/her high priority and they never want to make themselves look bad in front of judges. Therefore, few are gutsy enough to really fight hard to win a case against all odds. Just like politicians, most public defenders are looking to get a better job that pays more. PD's also are usually just out of school. In medicine, we never let anyone practice independently just out of medical school.
2003-01-27 12:33:35 PM  
Actually PD's tend to do a good job because they are in court all the time and have done the same kind of case 50 times in the last year, while the private lawyer hasn't had a jury trial since 1992.
2003-01-27 12:35:47 PM  
I'm fighting hard to stay awake while reading this headline and article.
2003-01-27 12:35:56 PM  
First, lawyers are asshats - I know - have been working for them for 20+ years.

Not all PD's are fresh out of law school. A friend of mine is a PD down in Florida, and he has been doing for several years because he likes it. Another friend is an investigator in the PD's office and some of the lawyers have been there for a while.

With that said, I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to determine that if your attorney falls asleep on the job, you are not getting effective representation!!
2003-01-27 12:36:59 PM  
What constitution? Hahahaha. USA! USA!
2003-01-27 12:37:09 PM  
I think where defendents are more likely to get screwed is non-PD court-appointed counsel. In Florida that generally happens when the PD has a conflict.
2003-01-27 12:37:13 PM  
I'm pretty sure that "effective" was just thrown in there as an empty adjective to make the sentence read a little better.
2003-01-27 12:37:49 PM  
Capitalism and our legal system don't mix well.
2003-01-27 12:38:53 PM  
Tadpole, you're just mad because we lawyers take so much money from health care providers.

By the way, thanks for the new Benz!
2003-01-27 12:39:25 PM  
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2003-01-27 12:40:36 PM  
Bourbon and Coke mix well....Let's all go to the courthouse blitzed.
2003-01-27 12:40:49 PM  
"You have the right to remain...silent? That doesn't sound right."

/cheif wiggum
2003-01-27 12:41:41 PM  
AuntofDogface : The problem is that for every good PD like your friend, there are umpteen more that are burnouts who are only there because they either can't get better jobs or just hate practicing law and are too lazy to look for something else. The cards are stacked against the defendant in question when the prosecuting attorney is far more likely to actually give a shiat.
2003-01-27 12:42:27 PM  
FILTH, I also do case review. You pay me $300/hr. for my intellect and clinical expeience. Thanks for my house and 2 SUV's
2003-01-27 12:42:46 PM  
N-LADA, eh? A little close to "binLaden" for my comfort.

Damn these liberals with their insistence on human rights!
2003-01-27 12:45:38 PM  
Exactly Ironbar. ALWAYS get the lawyer everone else is afraid of.
2003-01-27 12:46:00 PM  
EH. I think I ranted and raved enough on the Kentucky board.

To all detractors and lawyer-bashers:
Laugh now while you can. Eventually you will need one of us, and then you will realize that within the legal system, we are your salvation.

"It's the new priesthood, baby."
2003-01-27 12:46:55 PM  
Tadpole, actually, I only practice Clown and Monkey Law. Do you treat any clown-related injuries?

Seriously, what's your specialty, and who do you work for?
2003-01-27 12:50:07 PM  
Tadpole's bio says he is a "health professional." Our secretaries and paralegals are technically "legal professionals." Any more questions?
2003-01-27 12:50:47 PM  
"If my lawyer wasn't ruthless, heartless, and a complete and total bastard, I would not have hired him or kept his card."

That is a popular misconception.

The truth is that a lawyer who is willing to screw the other side is probably also willing to screw his client. If you hire a guy because he is a bastard, don't be surprised if he robs you blind.

The qualities you should look for are honesty and integrity.
2003-01-27 12:53:22 PM  
Isn't it obvious to every American yet that

$$$$$$ = Justice

2003-01-27 12:54:05 PM  
01-27-03 12:46:55 PM Filth
Tadpole, actually, I only practice Clown and Monkey Law. Do you treat any clown-related injuries?

Obviously a graduate of F$U. I expect only Litig8r and Gator8387 will find this funny.
2003-01-27 12:55:12 PM  
Litig8r, what the hell kind of lawyer would pay a non-MD $300/hr for file review?
2003-01-27 12:55:45 PM  

I thought it was hysterical :P
2003-01-27 12:56:17 PM  
Ebell, I'd bet a cup of Wilbert's coffee that you're right.
2003-01-27 12:56:34 PM  
I work for public defenders on the west coast. Generally they are good people. But you hear things that make you lose faith in the legal system. And sometimes you just want to quit your job and go find a rifle and administer real justice... but thats for a republican to do.
2003-01-27 12:56:35 PM  
FILTH, I'm self-employed. I run the inpatient services of a community hospital. I have 2 board certifications and FARK while I'm waiting on the Sky to fall.
2003-01-27 12:57:33 PM  
Filth: Good point. I missed that post.

/slinks off to non due dilligence work.
2003-01-27 12:59:16 PM  
2 board certs Tadpole? That's pretty impressive for a 35 y.o. My fiancee's board cert ran 4 years, not counting her first internship. I guess you got out early, or did two at one time, eh?
2003-01-27 01:00:06 PM  
Sometimes, it doesn't matter how competent your lawyer is:

"The acme of judicial distinction means the ability to look a lawyer straight in the eyes for two hours and not hear a dmaned word he says." - Justice John Marshall
2003-01-27 01:01:10 PM  
I think "diligence" has one "l." You owe me $20, Litig8r.
2003-01-27 01:01:28 PM  
2003-01-27 01:03:06 PM  
That'd be "damned", like me.
2003-01-27 01:03:15 PM  
That was the point, Filth :P

BTW: Apparently Tadpole wasn't bullshiatting.​108/frm_ name=aps_result action_detail.x=hello&row=0&key=0&amap=N&form_type=r

copy/paste etc for his bio.
2003-01-27 01:03:20 PM  
You said FAAP!

What's AAMRO?
2003-01-27 01:04:01 PM  
AAMRO= Expert in drug and alcohol testing. I could earn phat money helping cheats, but I'm way to honorable for that. That shiat's for hippies.
2003-01-27 01:04:21 PM  

I heard a few years back, in that daycare sex abuse case in the northwest, that ALL defendants with private lawyers got acquitted, and ALL defendants with public defenders got convicted. I decided then and there that should I ever need one, I would mortgage my soul for a private attorney.
2003-01-27 01:06:08 PM  
That was the point, Filth :P

Oh. Did I mention that I don't get jokes? I have a paralegal help me understand the clowns.
2003-01-27 01:07:16 PM  
You know what I find weird?
Farkers have clicked on the above link 539 times

The american people don't even care to read the article.
2003-01-27 01:08:16 PM  
"The idea of a lawyer sleeping through a murder trial may be a little disconcerting -- unless you are from Texas, where sleeeping lawyer capital cases are a bona fide trend."
2003-01-27 01:09:13 PM  
BobMobber, whether you have a public or private attorney has very little to do with being convincted.

In general, the determining factor in whether you are convicted is whether you committed the crime in question.
2003-01-27 01:09:24 PM  
Very cool, Dr. Pole. I'll keep you in mind.
2003-01-27 01:16:09 PM  
In general, the determining factor in whether you are convicted is whether you committed the crime in question.

Sorry Gator, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Dozens of people every year are convicted of crimes where they were coerced into giving a 'confession'. I've read of four cases in the last three months where people on death row are found not-guilty because of DNA evidence... or in one case the man who was found guilty of a crime was later proven to have been in jail at the time the crime was committed. Now I'm not saying that this was a good guy, but I think we're losing sight of the innocent until proven guilty bit that we're all so proud of.
2003-01-27 01:17:35 PM  
no laws = no lawyers

anarchy! anarchy!
2003-01-27 01:20:01 PM  
I'm finding more and more places to post this...

"The american people have this lesson to learn: That where justice is denied, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob, and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe."
2003-01-27 01:20:06 PM  
"Sorry Gator, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Dozens of people every year are convicted of crimes where they were coerced into giving a 'confession'."

Out of the millions of convictions, I don't know that "dozens" of people is significant.
2003-01-27 01:20:36 PM  
-Frederick Douglass, 1886
2003-01-27 01:21:53 PM  

The qualities you should look for are honesty and integrity.

Honesty & integrity in a lawyer? That's gonna be a very long search!
2003-01-27 01:22:02 PM  
The best thing that could be done for our justice system is to legalize drugs.

The courts are overwhelmed with these silly drug cases, so they have less time to deal with the more significant ones like rape and murder.
2003-01-27 01:23:08 PM  
Dozens, just from the coerced confessions. How many others are being tossed into prison from ineffectual counsel? How many others from three strikes laws that make it so a person buying a gram of coke for the third time (because he's addicted)? How many programs are we going to do away with before everyone who's not white, rich, and republican is in jail with no chance for parole?
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