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2009-02-03 04:45:54 AM  
Aww, it was nice to see a reference to Bill Finger on the billboard.

/Bob Kane is a dick.
 
2009-02-03 05:07:29 AM  
I, for one, have just creamed my jeans. I also just finished reading American Gods for the first time.

Now where did I put that dang mop?

/Any illiterary geeks notice the similarity in premise between American Gods and Coyote Blue by Christopher Moore? You know, keeping the Gods alive through belief?
//Anyone?
///*Crickets*
 
2009-02-03 08:18:11 AM  
*perk*
 
2009-02-03 08:23:01 AM  
I just got Joe Chills.
 
2009-02-03 08:50:09 AM  
The Eradicator:
/Any illiterary geeks notice the similarity in premise between American Gods and Coyote Blue by Christopher Moore? You know, keeping the Gods alive through belief?
//Anyone?
///*Crickets*


That concept is not original to either author, they just both happened to use it to be entertaining.
 
2009-02-03 10:30:07 AM  
Would you fraking release it already!!! DC's been promo-ing this for like three months. Get it done.
 
2009-02-03 10:30:30 AM  
The Eradicator: I, for one, have just creamed my jeans. I also just finished reading American Gods for the first time.

Now where did I put that dang mop?

/Any illiterary geeks notice the similarity in premise between American Gods and Coyote Blue by Christopher Moore? You know, keeping the Gods alive through belief?
//Anyone?
///*Crickets*


My Mom told me when I was five that as long as I believed in Santa Claus, he would be real. She never read a single book by Joseph Campbell.
 
2009-02-03 10:32:24 AM  
Heffaloo: The Eradicator:
/Any illiterary geeks notice the similarity in premise between American Gods and Coyote Blue by Christopher Moore? You know, keeping the Gods alive through belief?
//Anyone?
///*Crickets*

That concept is not original to either author, they just both happened to use it to be entertaining.


Hallmark and Sam Neil's MERLIN.
 
2009-02-03 10:36:41 AM  
Who cares

Batman well is tapped dry
 
2009-02-03 10:39:57 AM  
The Eradicator: I, for one, have just creamed my jeans. I also just finished reading American Gods for the first time.

Now where did I put that dang mop?

/Any illiterary geeks notice the similarity in premise between American Gods and Coyote Blue by Christopher Moore? You know, keeping the Gods alive through belief?
//Anyone?
///*Crickets*


No, but I did notice the similarity in premise between American Gods and the Star Trek episode "Who Mourns for Adonis?".
 
2009-02-03 10:44:42 AM  
I am not a Batman geek. I am a Neil Gaiman geek. I can't judge, is it necessary to get into Batman to read this? Is this going to be good Batman, or good Gaiman, or both?
 
2009-02-03 10:44:58 AM  
The Eradicator: /Any illiterary geeks notice the similarity in premise between American Gods and Coyote Blue by Christopher Moore? You know, keeping the Gods alive through belief?
//Anyone?
///*Crickets*


Yeah, it's not original to those guys and Gaiman's sometimes collaborator, Terry Pratchett uses it as a core element of the cosmology of the Discworld series (most notably Small Gods
 
2009-02-03 10:45:53 AM  
The Eradicator: Any illiterary geeks notice the similarity in premise between American Gods and Coyote Blue by Christopher Moore? You know, keeping the Gods alive through belief?

This is also the reasoning behind the Pantheon of Gods in GodStalk by P.C. Hodgell. It is nothing new and is widely used in literature. In GodStalk, the Pantheon of Gods were actually fed from the power of the God of the Three. The power leaking out of his temple was harnessed by the belief of the common people and "created" minor Gods.
 
2009-02-03 10:56:08 AM  
The milkman, the paperboy, and evening tv? How did I get to living here? Somebody, tell me please. This whole world's confusing me...

/somebody shoot me, please
 
2009-02-03 10:58:11 AM  
zephyrkate: I am not a Batman geek. I am a Neil Gaiman geek. I can't judge, is it necessary to get into Batman to read this? Is this going to be good Batman, or good Gaiman, or both?

It should probably be both.

Anything Gaiman does is usually good, and this is basically Bruce Wayne's eulogy done in a two-part comic.

Yes, Bruce Wayne is dead, for those who've been living under a rock.
 
2009-02-03 11:02:23 AM  
Sgt Otter: Aww, it was nice to see a reference to Bill Finger on the billboard.

Even better IMHO is the sign for Aparo Drive.

/Jim Aparo, one of my favorite Batman artists
// Marshall Rogers is my other favorite Batman artist
///Y'know, if they don't have Aparo, Rogers's good.
 
2009-02-03 11:03:16 AM  
Was that John Constantine in the background of the first cover?
 
2009-02-03 11:06:38 AM  
Katarr: Yes, Bruce Wayne is dead, for those who've been living under a rock.

Not according to the terrible ending splash page of final Crisis. Did I mention it was splashily terrible?

/Burn in hell Grant Morrison
 
2009-02-03 11:12:54 AM  
Katarr:Yes, Bruce Wayne is dead, for those who've been living under a rock.

DC wouldn't do that. It's all hype. He's alive at the end of #7. They're just going to drag it out during this Battle For The Cowl series, then he'll show up again after it's over, completely negating the reason for having it. Kind of like Superman and the Reign of the Supermen.

Both companies do it, though. To be honest, I'm surprised the original Cap has stayed dead as long as he has. I'm still waiting for the inevitable return, though.
 
2009-02-03 11:26:57 AM  
Katarr: Yes, Bruce Wayne is dead, for those who've been living under a rock

I don't read comics but you do realize that they're going to bring him back in a very contrived way, right?
 
2009-02-03 11:27:27 AM  
Riley Havick: Both companies do it, though. To be honest, I'm surprised the original Cap has stayed dead as long as he has. I'm still waiting for the inevitable return, though.

Brubaker's run has been great even without Steve Rogers and I hope it stays that way.

If you're really jonesing for some old school Cap, he's still alive and kickin in the pages of Captain America: Theater of War.
 
2009-02-03 11:31:01 AM  
Now is both Bruce Wayne and Batman dead? Or did they just kill the Bruce Wayne "persona" so he can be Batman full time?? And is he still pissed off at the DP for ruining his shot???
 
2009-02-03 11:37:17 AM  
The Eradicator: I also just finished reading American Gods for the first time.


I have been unable to finish this one. I love the thing he did with Pratchett but damn. American Gods is freaky.
 
2009-02-03 11:39:08 AM  
Katarr: zephyrkate: I am not a Batman geek. I am a Neil Gaiman geek. I can't judge, is it necessary to get into Batman to read this? Is this going to be good Batman, or good Gaiman, or both?

It should probably be both.

Anything Gaiman does is usually good, and this is basically Bruce Wayne's eulogy done in a two-part comic.

Yes, Bruce Wayne is dead, for those who've been living under a rock.


*Climbs into the sun* *Blinks*

He's dead?

So, this might be a bad episode of Batman for a Batman novice to start with?
 
2009-02-03 11:41:00 AM  
because good is dumb: Now is both Bruce Wayne and Batman dead? Or did they just kill the Bruce Wayne "persona" so he can be Batman full time?? And is he still pissed off at the DP for ruining his shot???

I believe he was presumed dead, and has not been found.
 
2009-02-03 11:44:49 AM  
The Eradicator:

/Any illiterary geeks notice the similarity in premise between American Gods and Coyote Blue by Christopher Moore? You know, keeping the Gods alive through belief?
//Anyone?
///*Crickets*


In addition to the other literary references made to this you may want to check out Jitterbug Perfume (published 1984) by Tom Robbins.
 
wil [TotalFark]
2009-02-03 11:45:37 AM  
I'm a life-long Batman fan, and I've been a Neil Gaiman fan since I read the first issue of Sandman the day it went on sale.

I sort of know Neil, since he wrote the introduction to my book Just A Geek, so last week he sent me a preview of the first part of this two-parter.

I can't get into any specifics, but I can say that it was just sensational. The art is brilliant and the story and dialog are fantastic. As a Gaiman fan and a Batman fan, it was very satisfying, and I can't wait to see what happens in the second part.
 
2009-02-03 11:46:11 AM  
zephyrkate: I am not a Batman geek. I am a Neil Gaiman geek. I can't judge, is it necessary to get into Batman to read this? Is this going to be good Batman, or good Gaiman, or both?

I'm just like you -- a Gaiman geek who pretty much ignores comic books. Not long ago I read Gaiman's take on The Eternals, not knowing any of the back story of any of the characters, and enjoyed it immensely.

There were 'Gaiman Moments' in there, one of them a fabric-of-reality-bending thing, kinda like what we saw in A Dream of a Thousand Cats.

Based on that experience I'll go out on a limb & predict we'll enjoy this.
 
2009-02-03 11:47:16 AM  
Supposedly he didn't die in Batman RIP, he was killed in Final Crisis by Darksied?

I think they should kill of characters every now and then. I'd actually be interested in reading Batman if I knew that now Dick Grayson was going to be Batman adn sort of start that new journey with him.

The problem is, with 700 issues of a comic dealing with one character, if you do decide to jump in, you really feel like you're missing out on some stuff by not knowing the complete chronology and recent events for this ttime line f Batman.
 
2009-02-03 11:48:35 AM  
As the omniscient arbiter of all that is creative, cool and written by losers whose talents are a mere dumb-show of my own, I say that the batman property is all played out. I have spoken.
 
2009-02-03 11:53:51 AM  
I actually thought to myself as I posted the above "Man, someone is gonna come and point out that's he's not dead, really."

He's kind of dead...

I kind of wish they'd keep him dead for a while. It can be done, Jean Grey's been dead for years. Sure, she'll be back, but it hasn't happened yet.

Let Dick Grayson have the Batman mantle for a while.
 
2009-02-03 11:54:47 AM  
wil: I'm a life-long Batman fan, and I've been a Neil Gaiman fan since I read the first issue of Sandman the day it went on sale.

I sort of know Neil, since he wrote the introduction to my book Just A Geek, so last week he sent me a preview of the first part of this two-parter.

I can't get into any specifics, but I can say that it was just sensational. The art is brilliant and the story and dialog are fantastic. As a Gaiman fan and a Batman fan, it was very satisfying, and I can't wait to see what happens in the second part.


Cool, and thanks.

One of the things I like best about Gaiman is that he doesn't limit himself to writing for one medium. He's done short stories, novels, children's books, comics, screenplays for movies and television, and keeps going in all those media all the time. I don't know if he's trying not to keep his eggs in one basket, or if he just likes the variety, but it makes me respect him all the more.
 
2009-02-03 12:05:41 PM  
defjoe: Who cares

Batman well is tapped dry


Who cares? It's Neil Gaimen.

pd771: I believe he was presumed dead, and has not been found.

I don't read the comics regularly, but I'm pretty sure some DC people have stated that Bruce doesn't actually die. The "death" does lead to Bruce abandoning the cape and cowl for at least a time. Wikipedia says Dan DiDio says this (see the Aftermath section). Also, I understand he's alive in Final Crisis so he isn't dead.

Besides, there's always the Lazarus pit, right?
 
2009-02-03 12:09:00 PM  
Neil Gaiman is overrated. I mean, Sandman was cool, but the thing with Gaiman is his bread and butter is how he puts together fairytale ideas for with an adult bent... and not much else. His writing isn't anything to shout about.

American Gods disappointed me. The more I ploughed into it, the more I was reminded of two books that used similar themes... Terry Pratchett's "Small Gods" and Douglas Adams' "Long Dark Teatime of the Soul". Gaiman isn't a bad author, but being constantly reminded of those two better authors made him look pretty mediocre.

That being said, his creativity helped Pratchett produce their best book (Good Omens: the Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch) so I don't think his work is without value.

His writing just doesn't grip me.
 
2009-02-03 12:15:50 PM  
Kryllith
The milkman, the paperboy, and evening tv? How did I get to living here? Somebody, tell me please. This whole world's confusing me...

/somebody shoot me, please


I don't know, but I do know that everywhere you look there's a heart, a hand to hold on to.
 
2009-02-03 12:17:35 PM  
Heffaloo: That concept is not original to either author, they just both happened to use it to be entertaining. Yes

Heffaloo: The Eradicator:
/Any illiterary geeks notice the similarity in premise between American Gods and Coyote Blue by Christopher Moore? You know, keeping the Gods alive through belief?
//Anyone?
///*Crickets*

That concept is not original to either author, they just both happened to use it to be entertaining.
Yes
 
2009-02-03 12:18:47 PM  
phaseolus

I'm just like you -- a Gaiman geek who pretty much ignores comic books. Not long ago I read Gaiman's take on The Eternals, not knowing any of the back story of any of the characters, and enjoyed it immensely.


Wait - how? Do you mean you ignore comics that Gaiman didn't write, or all comics? Because if you're a Gaiman fan that has avoided comics, you're missing his best work.
 
2009-02-03 12:21:01 PM  
JetpackJesus: defjoe: Who cares

Batman well is tapped dry

Who cares? It's Neil Gaimen.

pd771: I believe he was presumed dead, and has not been found.

I don't read the comics regularly, but I'm pretty sure some DC people have stated that Bruce doesn't actually die. The "death" does lead to Bruce abandoning the cape and cowl for at least a time. Wikipedia says Dan DiDio says this (see the Aftermath section). Also, I understand he's alive in Final Crisis so he isn't dead.

Besides, there's always the Lazarus pit, right?


He looked pretty dead that the end of Final Crisis #6.
 
2009-02-03 12:23:24 PM  
Pxtl: Neil Gaiman is overrated...

No harm, no foul. We read what we like, and avoid it if we don't like it. I think most of us here are adult enough to realize that personal tastes differ.

Personally I haven't yet found something by Gaiman I haven't loved. I can't see why people laugh at South Park, or willingly listen to KISS, or think that One Hundred Years of Solitude is magical. Yet they're all loved.

De Gustibus yadda yadda yadda.
 
2009-02-03 12:25:08 PM  
I'm amazed more people haven't seen "Stardust." I thought it was pretty damn good.
 
2009-02-03 12:25:44 PM  
Pxtl 2009-02-03 12:09:00 PM
Neil Gaiman is overrated. I mean, Sandman was cool, but the thing with Gaiman is his bread and butter is how he puts together fairytale ideas for with an adult bent... and not much else. His writing isn't anything to shout about.

American Gods disappointed me. The more I ploughed into it, the more I was reminded of two books that used similar themes... Terry Pratchett's "Small Gods" and Douglas Adams' "Long Dark Teatime of the Soul". Gaiman isn't a bad author, but being constantly reminded of those two better authors made him look pretty mediocre.

That being said, his creativity helped Pratchett produce their best book (Good Omens: the Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch) so I don't think his work is without value.

His writing just doesn't grip me.



While I have an appreciation for both Pratchett and Gaiman, I've always felt that Gaiman's works are much more bleak, and therefore more beautiful, than Pratchett. Pratchett writes about people, their flaws, their virtues, and their struggles.

Just look at the end of Reaper Man - I won't 'spoil' it, but essentially it's about the importance of care in an uncaring universe.

Gaiman writes about the uncaring universe, and the ultimate futility of caring - but he does it in such a way that the futility just makes it that much more poignant.
 
2009-02-03 12:27:51 PM  
Confabulat 2009-02-03 12:25:08 PM
I'm amazed more people haven't seen "Stardust." I thought it was pretty damn good.


Sadly, I was spoiled by the book.

Well that, and I can't stand DeNiro's need to prance around in drag in movies these days - it's either that or singing show tunes.

I get it - you're an iconic gruff character acting, so whenever you do something out of that character, it's Hilarious.

Now stop.
 
2009-02-03 12:28:07 PM  
Confabulat:

I'm amazed more people haven't seen "Stardust." I thought it was pretty damn good.

I haven't met anyone who has seen it that didn't like it but, as you say, not a whole lot of people have seen it.
 
2009-02-03 12:29:42 PM  
Jster422:

DeNiro ...

Weakest part of the film in my opinion.
 
2009-02-03 12:29:57 PM  
The Eradicator: I, for one, have just creamed my jeans slacks.

FTFM

Barbigazi: I just got Joe Chills.

The last two panels were awesome.

Selena Kyle (Catwoman): Joe [Chill]... I thought I heard you were dead.

Joe Chill (killed Thomas and Martha Wayne for those who live under a farking rock): I was here at the start of it all Miss Kyle. I'm not going to miss the end.

BTW, Catwoman's not wrong, in almost every version of Batman, Joe Chill IS dead.
 
2009-02-03 12:34:40 PM  
Jster422: Sadly, I was spoiled by the book.

Well that, and I can't stand DeNiro's need to prance around in drag in movies these days - it's either that or singing show tunes.

I get it - you're an iconic gruff character acting, so whenever you do something out of that character, it's Hilarious.

Now stop.


This. Plus, they left out the whole elfin angle of the people over the Wall. I wanted the hero to be a gangly teen with a floppy ear. It wasn't really essential, but I liked that touch in the story, and was sad to see it left out.
 
2009-02-03 12:38:05 PM  
Jster422:
Gaiman writes about the uncaring universe, and the ultimate futility of caring - but he does it in such a way that the futility just makes it that much more poignant.


And sometimes it just reminds you of Achewood. I like Gaiman's work but there is a point where the realism becomes surreal.
 
2009-02-03 12:41:02 PM  
Pxtl: Neil Gaiman is overrated. I mean, Sandman was cool, but the thing with Gaiman is his bread and butter is how he puts together fairytale ideas for with an adult bent... and not much else. His writing isn't anything to shout about.

American Gods disappointed me. The more I ploughed into it, the more I was reminded of two books that used similar themes... Terry Pratchett's "Small Gods" and Douglas Adams' "Long Dark Teatime of the Soul". Gaiman isn't a bad author, but being constantly reminded of those two better authors made him look pretty mediocre.

That being said, his creativity helped Pratchett produce their best book (Good Omens: the Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch) so I don't think his work is without value.

His writing just doesn't grip me.


Now that you've said this I need to re-read "Long Dark Teatime of the Soul". It's been a LONG time. Small Gods os one of the best books ever written if you ask me.

/nobody asked but I volunteered
 
2009-02-03 12:41:08 PM  
Actually, the big thing that bugged me abotu the movie: the whole "babylon candle" thing was a huge plot hole. They repeatedly establish that magical devices don't work in the real world.

That and they pussied out the down-beat "happily-ever-after.... until Tristan dies of old age and then Yvain lives forever as the ruler of the kingdom, pining and alone".
 
2009-02-03 12:44:26 PM  
I must be the one person who loves Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman but didn't love Small Gods. I thought the combination of the two styles weakened both.

/but I'm a weirdo
//I liked it, just didn't LOVE it.
 
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