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2009-02-02 02:52:25 PM
When I was a kid ARCO sold a Scale Noahs Arc and all of the animals in pairs in scale . They all fit in the the boat. So it must be true.

\And Behold there came the great flood of Alfredo to destroy those who had taken up the false teachings of al dente! The truly faithful and his beloved animals of the land were embraced by his noodley appendage and were saved from the Creamy wrath and thus were able to carry on when the flood of Alfredo had Subsided.
RAMEN!
 
2009-02-02 02:52:59 PM
Of course, what isn't mentioned in the whole account is the idea that a merciful, loving god just goes right ahead and murders the entire population of the earth. That includes children.

Tell me, is drowning children moral? Is it ethical? Is that where this woman (^) got her morals from?
 
2009-02-02 02:53:01 PM
ObscureNameHere: I thought the Noah's Ark tale was actually an import from Ancient Sumerian mythology. Not that religions would borrow ideas from one another...

Mythras, Dionysis and Orion seen walking away whistling. . .
 
2009-02-02 02:53:09 PM
Glad to see so many others mention The Epic of Gilgamesh things:) Always nice to not be the only one to mention something.
 
2009-02-02 02:53:24 PM
It's so silly how people keep trying to "prove" the Bible is all true.

If God wanted their to be irrefutable proof, there would be. There is not.

It's just like people who dont like Jews because they "killed" Jesus. You cant believe simultaneously that Jesus intentionally died to save mankind, and that he should not have been killed. Unless you are a fool.

It's also like those alleged Christian people who show up at executions and hold signs that say "An eye for an eye", not realizing that their savior specifically refuted that passage and said it no longer applies.
They are energized about being Christian to the point they want to proclaim it in public, but too ignorant to even know what their savior said.

Most superficial readers of the Bible know that Jesus used parables, not literal stories, to spread the message. In the same way, most of the stories in the old testament are symbolic, not literally true.

But over time, a sort of "competitive" christianity has evolved. One that says all of the bible must be believed to be all literally true or else you are a heretic.

It's not even enough anymore to simply believe in God and Jesus. You have to accept all sorts of falsehoods to be accepted by some of these wierdo christians. And that is a shame.
 
2009-02-02 02:59:50 PM
They're looking in the wrong country
 
2009-02-02 03:00:12 PM
If the Noah's Ark fable proves to be true, that would make the god of the old testament the original abortionist, for he/she/it aborted a whole planet.
Damn, I love being the devil's advocate.
 
2009-02-02 03:00:58 PM
Finger51: ObscureNameHere: I thought the Noah's Ark tale was actually an import from Ancient Sumerian mythology. Not that religions would borrow ideas from one another...

Mythras, Dionysis and Orion seen walking away whistling. . .


What would happen if all three went into a bar?
 
2009-02-02 03:02:49 PM
Talahamut: I so hope I'm still alive when we find that our conciousness really is nothing more special than chemical reactions...

I believe Scientific American had a series of articles about conciousness a few months ago that come pretty close to saying just that. IIRC, self-awareness is a byproduct of problem solving, and because we experience everything through the lens of our conciousness, we cannot comprehend our own conciousness not existing, which gives rise to belief in an afterlife.

I'd dig up links, but I'm trying to be somewhat productive this afternoon. Shouldn't be too hard to find though.
 
2009-02-02 03:03:50 PM
Azlefty: \And Behold there came the great flood of Alfredo to destroy those who had taken up the false teachings of al dente! The truly faithful and his beloved animals of the land were embraced by his noodley appendage and were saved from the Creamy wrath and thus were able to carry on when the flood of Alfredo had Subsided.
RAMEN!


In the name of the Pasta, the Sauce and the Garlic Toast.
 
2009-02-02 03:04:29 PM
maddogdelta: Of course, what isn't mentioned in the whole account is the idea that a merciful, loving god just goes right ahead and murders the entire population of the earth. That includes children.

Tell me, is drowning children moral? Is it ethical?


Well yeah. They weren't showing proper fealty to Sky Daddy. In fact, there was only one family on the entire planet that was.

Most people would think that makes them the crazy ones, but Our Father set that straight.
 
2009-02-02 03:04:34 PM
rbuzby: Most superficial readers of the Bible know that Jesus used parables, not literal stories, to spread the message. In the same way, most of the stories in the old testament are symbolic, not literally true.

I agree with you, but I wonder why so many Christians can't take the next step and realize that the story of Jesus and the promise of a blissful eternity in heaven are equally symbolic. Yet, millions of Christians sit in church every Sunday actually believing that they are communicating with a man who rose from the dead about 2,000 years ago. How is that any less ridiculous?
 
2009-02-02 03:05:18 PM
My personal favorite breed of crazy Christer- the dinosaur hunter. (new window)
 
2009-02-02 03:06:45 PM
Githerax: "Declare" by Tim Powers is my favorite novel.

I love Tim Powers.
 
2009-02-02 03:09:10 PM
Finger51: ObscureNameHere: I thought the Noah's Ark tale was actually an import from Ancient Sumerian mythology. Not that religions would borrow ideas from one another...

Mythras, Dionysis and Orion seen walking away whistling. . .


It's weird how everyone always mentions Mithras when they talk about the origins of Christianity. Actually, we really have no idea what the Mithraic Mysteries entailed, except that there was some animal sacrifice likely involved. I don't know where the whole idea started....weird.
 
2009-02-02 03:10:10 PM
The best part of the Noah story as told by fundies: They believe dinosaurs were on the Ark.

So not only did it need to be big enough to hold two elephants, two dogs, two cats, two rhinos, etc... It needed to be big enough and sturdy enough to hold two tyranosaurus rex, two velociraptors, two megasaurus, two apatasaurus, etc.

This ship had to have been the size of Delaware... The state, not the boat.
 
2009-02-02 03:11:22 PM
"We'll have to call it early quantum state phenomenon. Only way to fit 5000 species of mammal on the same boat."
 
2009-02-02 03:11:31 PM
"Noah?"
"Yeah?"
"You got two male hippos there. You gotta take one of 'em out and bring in a female"
"I'm not bringin' nothin' in, you change one of 'em!"
"C'mon, you know I don't work like that!"

-B. Cosby
 
2009-02-02 03:12:05 PM
A Kurdish shepherd told them that he had seen the ark, and even climbed on top of it, when he was a boy.
How did this boy know it was an ark?

//Gilgamesh
 
2009-02-02 03:12:09 PM
Lex Kitten: My personal favorite breed of crazy Christer- the dinosaur hunter. (new window)

Holy crap dude, just when I think I can't be any more afraid for my country you go an post a link like that...
 
2009-02-02 03:13:10 PM
Lex Kitten: My personal favorite breed of crazy Christer- the dinosaur hunter. (new window)

Oh man..!

FTFL: Velociraptors: Today terrorize the goat herders of Puerto Rico and are rumored to guard the remains of the Ark on Mt. Ararat. They have become vicious since the Fall as the result of the effects of genetic entropy, making them too dangerous for the sort of interactive public experience we have in mind.

Yikes. Raptors guard the Ark. No wonder these expeditions all fail!
 
2009-02-02 03:13:59 PM
ZeroCorpse: The best part of the Noah story as told by fundies: They believe dinosaurs were on the Ark.

No way dude, they missed it.
 
CDP [TotalFark]
2009-02-02 03:15:14 PM
Suede head: So Noah and his sons must have travelled to every continent and crawled through the rain forest of South America collecting every one of millions of species of plants and beetles and animals and took them home and built a ship the size of a small aircraft carrier together with all the food and water and plants they would need to survive? Where's Bevets to explain how they did this?

According to Scripture, Noah's Ark was a safe haven for representatives of all the kinds of air-breathing land animals that God created. While it is possible that God made miraculous provisions for the daily care of these animals, it is not necessary-or required by Scripture-to appeal to miracles.

Exploring natural solutions for day-to-day operations does not discount God's role: the biblical account hints at plenty of miracles as written, such as God bringing the animals to the Ark (Genesis 6:20; 7:9, 15). It turns out that a study of existing, low-tech animal care methods answers trivial objections to the Ark. In fact, many solutions to seemingly insurmountable problems are rather straightforward.

How Did Noah Fit All the Animals on the Ark?

According to the Bible, the Ark had three decks (floors). It is not difficult to show that there was plenty of room for 16,000 animals (the maximum number of animals on the Ark, if the most liberal approach to counting animals is applied), assuming they required approximately the same floor space as animals in typical farm enclosures and laboratories. The vast majority of the creatures (birds, reptiles, and mammals) were small (the largest only a few hundred pounds of body weight). What's more, many could have been housed in groups, which would have further reduced the required space.

It is still necessary to take account of the floor spaces required by large animals, such as elephants and rhinos. But even these, collectively, do not require a large area because it is most likely that these animals were young, but not newborns. Even the largest dinosaurs were relatively small when only a few years old.

What Did the Dinosaurs Eat?

Dinosaurs could have eaten basically the same foods as the other animals. The large sauropods could have eaten compressed hay, other dried plant material, seeds and grains, and the like. Carnivorous dinosaurs-if any were meat-eaters before the Flood-could have eaten dried meat, reconstituted dried meat, or slaughtered animals. Giant tortoises would have been ideal to use as food in this regard. They were large and needed little food to be maintained themselves. There are also exotic sources of meat, such as fish that wrap themselves in dry cocoons.
Link (new window)

i132.photobucket.com
 
2009-02-02 03:15:44 PM
My grandfather was an archaeologist who spent the last few years of his life searching for Noah's Ark, so I'm really getting a kick...
 
2009-02-02 03:16:24 PM
Lex Kitten: My personal favorite breed of crazy Christer- the dinosaur hunter. (new window)

Wow... Wow... and serious wow. To date that is quite possibly the most absurd website I have EVER looked at. If there was a vanguard against intellectualism, the truth and reasoning, that site is definitely it!
 
2009-02-02 03:16:57 PM
FarkinHostile: My idea to dupe the religious is far superior: I want to buy a huge, luxurious ranch in the middle of nowhere and start a camp where Christians will send their 18 year old daughters so that I can teach them how to be Good Christian™ wives.


Woah. Count me in. I have the background and experience to help you pull it off. I know all the right scriptures. :)


I am so totally there. I'm great at infrastructure and marketing. And I really really don't believe in God.
I can definitely help these young women learn to become great wives to the next generation of Christian husbands. I am sure we can teach them all kinds of skills:

Cooking, cleaning, what to wear in the bedroom...... what to do in the bedroom and how to make me a sammich.
 
2009-02-02 03:16:58 PM
More fundie craziness:

The Americas have been home to what may be the largest and most spectacular flying beast that ever lived: the Thunderbird. Although many Indian reports of thunderbirds include details, like feathers, that are more avian than pterosaurian, this may be the result of natives -- who have long since forgotten Adam's true names for animals and are thus a bit confused about taxonomy -- conflating the rarely seen creatures with eagles and other more common large birds. In reality, the thunderbird was a pterodactyl of gigantic proportions and was probably covered in a fine, variously colored fur, which accounts for attributions of feathers and color patterns

Emphasis mine.

Those poor, confused Native Americans! They used their own names for animals because they FORGOT the REAL names given to them by Adam. Because all animals were really named by Adam. Really.
 
2009-02-02 03:17:27 PM
Subby forgot about the ancient astronauts!

/Those damn ancient astronauts were responsible for everything.
 
2009-02-02 03:18:37 PM
CDP:

How did the fish survive the flood?
 
2009-02-02 03:19:17 PM
/also, my grandmother died just a month or two ago. In her obituary it said they had "[taken] part in a dig near Mount Arafat in search of Noah's Ark" [1]. Stay classy, Tulsa World.
//For those of you not getting it. Arafat is in Saudi Arabia. Ararat is the mountain in Turkey.
 
2009-02-02 03:19:24 PM
Just came home from my Organic chemistry lecture to find this thread chock full of hot steamy fail.
 
2009-02-02 03:20:17 PM
attackingpencil

It's weird how everyone always mentions Mithras when they talk about the origins of Christianity.

I don't know where the whole idea started....weird.


I believe it started with the Christians, oddly enough, suggesting it was the Mithraites that were aping Christianity...
 
2009-02-02 03:21:04 PM
Shouldn't they explore the North Pole in search of Santa's Sleigh first?
 
2009-02-02 03:21:12 PM
FTFA:"For centuries, expeditions have set out to find Noah's Ark but have been unable to find any concrete evidence, beyond that of an unwavering faith, to support its existence."

Shouldn't they be looking for wood?
 
2009-02-02 03:21:31 PM
i100.photobucket.com
 
2009-02-02 03:21:57 PM
Facetious_Speciest: I believe it started with the Christians, oddly enough, suggesting it was the Mithraites that were aping Christianity...

I don't know if that's the case...I mean no one really paid any attention to the subject at all until the late 19th/early 20th century if I recall correctly.
 
2009-02-02 03:25:33 PM
WTF IS UP WITH THE GRAMMAR OF YOUR HEADLINE? WHY ARE PEOPLE LETTING THIS SLIDE? You need to learn how to use commas, sentences, and clauses.


Ugh.
 
2009-02-02 03:27:24 PM
PJ_the_Barbarian: what you're forgetting is that the bible tells you exactly how big it was, to the last cubit.

ApokalypseNow: Even with steel frames, wooden ships bigger than 250 feet long tended to hog or straddle. Even though it's too big to work, the ark is too small to do its job.

If built out of gopher wood and pitch, it would collapse under its own weight. Even if it didn't, it would not be able to miantain a watertight seal and would break apart in the water.
 
CDP [TotalFark]
2009-02-02 03:28:27 PM
Hosebeatings: CDP:

How did the fish survive the flood?


Well, most fish didn't survive. In fact, if you'd been a diver in the oceans before the flood, and then you'd been saved on the Ark and had started diving again after the flood, you would've said something like, "What happened? Where's everything gone?" You see, most marine species were killed during the flood. Now certainly some fish did survive, and we see their descendants in the oceans today. Some people then ask a related question; "How did freshwater fish survive in the saltwater oceans?" There are two possibilities. First, there are many areas in the world today where we see freshwater and salt water together, and the two waters don't mix. So it's possible that certain organisms survived in pockets of fresh or salt water. Second, because of natural selection, which creationists accept, organisms today have become very specialized. Organisms at the time of the flood, however, would've been much stronger and able to tolerate many more changes than they can today. There's really no problem at all in answering this question.

Link (new window)

i132.photobucket.com
 
2009-02-02 03:29:46 PM
Citris: Lex Kitten: My personal favorite breed of crazy Christer- the dinosaur hunter. (new window)

Wow... Wow... and serious wow. To date that is quite possibly the most absurd website I have EVER looked at. If there was a vanguard against intellectualism, the truth and reasoning, that site is definitely it!


It's a satire site, like Betty Bowers or Landover Baptist.
 
2009-02-02 03:31:22 PM
Hoblit: As a Christian I have always pondered what the Lions and Tigers were eating on that arc for those 40 days. (and 40 nights)

Unicorns.
 
2009-02-02 03:32:22 PM
attackingpencil

I don't know if that's the case...I mean no one really paid any attention to the subject at all until the late 19th/early 20th century if I recall correctly.

The author escapes me, but I'm almost certain such a comparison was made 1900 years ago or so. I'll see if I can find what I'm talking about...
 
2009-02-02 03:32:42 PM
Lex Kitten: My personal favorite breed of crazy Christer- the dinosaur hunter. (new window)

LOLcat would have a word with this guy.


logo.cafepress.com
Anyone saw this picture on the left?
 
2009-02-02 03:33:29 PM
BorgiaGinz: Citris: Lex Kitten: My personal favorite breed of crazy Christer- the dinosaur hunter. (new window)

Wow... Wow... and serious wow. To date that is quite possibly the most absurd website I have EVER looked at. If there was a vanguard against intellectualism, the truth and reasoning, that site is definitely it!

It's a satire site, like Betty Bowers or Landover Baptist.


I don't know whether to let out a sigh of relief or give myself a slap on the forehead and get another cup of coffee. I think I'll do all of the above.
 
2009-02-02 03:34:21 PM
BorgiaGinz: Citris: Lex Kitten: My personal favorite breed of crazy Christer- the dinosaur hunter. (new window)

Wow... Wow... and serious wow. To date that is quite possibly the most absurd website I have EVER looked at. If there was a vanguard against intellectualism, the truth and reasoning, that site is definitely it!

It's a satire site, like Betty Bowers or Landover Baptist.


Well I am sorry I was so dense but glad to discover it.
 
2009-02-02 03:34:21 PM
Every inch of Mt. Ararat, and most other historical probabilities for the resting place of Noah's Ark, have been examined using everything from aerial photos to ground-penetrating radar.

Nada.

Fable.

Just more oogah boogah tales from bronze age goat herders.

/Can't believe modern humans buy into the medievalist tripe of deified religion.
 
2009-02-02 03:35:25 PM
Progressor: Shouldn't they explore the North Pole in search of Santa's Sleigh first?

www.john-daly.com

I got off the Billfish just before they made this cruise....dammit.
 
2009-02-02 03:36:54 PM
Hosebeatings: How did the fish survive the flood?

CDP: Well, most fish didn't survive.


How did the trees survive the flood?
 
2009-02-02 03:39:50 PM
Facetious_Speciest: attackingpencil

I don't know if that's the case...I mean no one really paid any attention to the subject at all until the late 19th/early 20th century if I recall correctly.

The author escapes me, but I'm almost certain such a comparison was made 1900 years ago or so. I'll see if I can find what I'm talking about...


That would be cool, I've read a ton of early Christian writings and can't remember seeing it mentioned. That being sad, it's not like it would be something weird if the Christians claimed another religion was aping them or prefiguring Christian doctrine in their beliefs...although that tended to be a more medieval viewpoint.
 
2009-02-02 03:45:35 PM
Loadmaster:
Hosebeatings: How did the fish survive the flood?

CDP: Well, most fish didn't survive.

How did the trees survive the flood?


Stems and seeds.
 
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